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Maynthemayn:
There was never a time existence didn't exist, I might even agree that your god is the first vibration, then why is your god needed?


Existence means being, it's there in your philosophy too. Check it out.

As for the bold, I agree, even though you have written in an odd manner again.
Good Afternoon.

Aemmyjah:
A freethinker should come to a rational conclusion
Anything less is irrational

And a rational conclusion is one that aligns with the views of Aemmyjah not so?

Maynthemayn:
But your god is already existing as the first vibration of existence?

You are the one contradicting yourself.

The way you use the word "existence" is very confusing to me.
Its possible I am contradicting myself but I do know I honestly cannot cope with the way you are using that word, so i have to let it be.
Cheers.

Aemmyjah:
How do you know God exists if he's unknowable?

You can know a thing or person or entity exists without knowing its nature.
I know you exist, and yet I dont know your character.

Maynthemayn:
So why is your god needed since your god is part of it?

I think this is a self contradictory question.

God is a necessary being. If you dont understand that term in philosophy please read here -

https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil3600/PVI1.pdf

For anything to exist at all, something or the other must self exist.

God self exists.

Maynthemayn:
your god is part of existence, I got that sha.

You use the word "existence" in an odd way.
Of course anything that exists is "part of existence."

How is that a problem.

PoliteActivist:
Soo, what led you to the position that God exists? Or are we to just take your word for it?

I already explained to Lordreed in the other thread you created and you were following. So I neednt repeat myself.
There is logic enough to infer the existence of God.

However it is not just logic. I have long described myself as a rational and intuitive deist.
So, beyond logic, there is also intuition.

Maynthemayn:
How do you know all this?

Also why does the first vibration of existence have all these attributes? Is it to make it mysterious?
What about the second and third vibration of existence?

What's the use of the first vibration of existence?
Existence itself is all around.

Perhaps so.
Look, I dont really know anything. I just offer my perception and intuition here and there. Discard them if they dont strike a chord or resonate with you.

PoliteActivist:
Speaking of which, "logical" is: from A you have to go through B to get to C. Faith is from A you can get to Z without the intervening steps of B, C, D, etc.

I dont think its fair to characterize all people of faith as believing in voodoo or magic as the bold tends to suggest. Many people of faith believe that their God will hold them by the hand from A through B, C, D, E, all the way, step by step through to Z.

DeLaRue:
Why is he on the floor, an a Policeman seem to be pulling him by his collar. That's terrible.

Honestly.

Maynthemayn:
So this god is an entity and this god is the first vibration of existence.
That means it didn't create existence, and just a part of it.

Do people know he is transcendental or believe so? Most people who say it are theists.

As long as you can label this god with attributes, it's ALREADY knowable.

Well perhaps certain elementary things about God are knowable, but IT remains unknowable in its fullness - by this I mean ineffable and incomprehensible - but the lines here are so subtle I would not wish to argue the point.

Image123:
i am not a religionist, DeepS.

This is the way Christians always shout - "Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life!"
But a religion is indeed a way of life as well!

Maynthemayn:
But you already "know" it exist and called God not Goddess?

God is probably sexless. Even if in my private sensing the "first" vibration of existence is a feminine one.
Now, it is true that one may infer certain things about God, but that does not mean that God is truly knowable. For example, we say that God is transcendental - and yet, knowing that, only emphasizes that IT is beyond us to know.

Image123:
i give tithes and offerings DeepS.

So you are a Christian, and in the very normal sense too.
Stop seeking to differentiate and distinguish yourself from other Christians - that is pride and ego and thus is of the Devil - Shaitan, also known as Iblis.

PoliteActivist:
OK. Corrected (see below). Still, defend your position on God. Is it something you arrived at logically, or is it due to personal experience, or just something you were born into, or just something you choose to believe?

I am not an atheist either. God exists, but is unknowable.

Image123:
If you say so, but not in the sense that many are. i am a disciple of Jesus Christ like you well know.

You have a denomination, do you not.
You go to church, do you not?
You pay tithes and offering, do you not?
You take communion, do you not?
You believe in Jesus as your "personal Lord and Savior" do you not?
You believe that Jesus' death on the cross provides salvation for you, do you not?

Aemmyjah:
An open minded person should be able to draw reasonable conclusions too. No body, even Christians belive they know all
Another word for freethinker [b]based on your descriptio[/b]n is irrational
Anything to gain from such person?

I cant see what there is to gain from continuing a discussion with one who violently twists things. How does my description of the freethinker lead to your conclusion that another word for freethinker is "irrational?"

You are a lazy and frightened thinker. You dont even recognize that the freethinker does not necessarily reject the existence of God. There are many freethinkers who believe in God but are simply not shackled to religion. Secondly by "reasonable conclusions" it appears you really mean "agree with you."

One more time - the freethinker does not hold himself out as offering you "anything to gain."

Aemmyjah:
Clarity?
From an indecisive person?

It is clarity to know that we know not.

Now, you can keep exciting yourself by calling the freethinker indecisive. But that is not the defining quality of a freethinker. The defining qualities of a freethinker are free thought and an open mind not shackled to any given dogma.

For you, a person must show "decisiveness" by making up his mind on existential/ spiritual/ religious questions.
Little do you know that many existential questions are beyond our paygrade.

The slavish adherent to orthodoxy may well be "decisive" in his ignorant instinct to accpt whatever he is told.

But it is far more enlightened to recognize that there is much that is unknowable.

Aemmyjah:
What do you benefit from an indecisive person?
How does he benefit himself?
Is that not irrational?

A freethinker does not claim to be providing any benefit to anyone.
But honestly, clarity and humility are to be gained from the freethinker who admits that we know diddlysquat.

Image123:
Actually, i am not a religionist, i am a child of God. What's your question, i didn't seem to pick it?

But you are a Christian, are you not?

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*

INTRO

I'll be the umpire, playing devil's advocate for both sides.

Religionists' and Atheists' beliefs are NOT based on logic, therefore trying to talk them out of their beliefs through logic or reasoning is a futile exercise.
A change in them can only start through direct personal experience (as can be be seen in these shorts videos below).

To Religionists:
I watched a TV episode where a seven year old boy had supernatural power to punish people who disobeyed his rules or behaved badly. Soon everybody was behaving properly and obeying his rules. Mind you, he couldn't even read their minds. So Atheists will always use this against you, and you can't give them any satisfactory answer. Then there is their old standby: if God can be self-existing, why can't the universe or vacuum energy that gave rise to the universe be also self-existing?
They'd also ask you if you truly believe the universe is only about 6000 years old.

To Atheists:
Yours is even worse. A religionist can say they had a personal encounter with God. You can't say you heard from God that he doesn't exist! They'll also point out to you that we humans know almost nothing about the true nature of existence. That we are even worse than Einstein's little child in a library - and are therefore in no position to be saying anything doesn't exist, talkless of God!
They'll also point to all the countless miracles through the ages, and all the testimonies - so they are ALL lies, totally made up? They'll also point to the community and ritual available in religion that you can't find in atheism. Also the morality - maybe your potential robber was converted on his way to rob you and is instead in church! They'll also point to the supernatural companionship and placebo effect that comes with faith, not possible with atheism.

To both:
As you can see from videos on hypnosis, we could all be under some sort of cosmic hypnosis or mind control and not know it - we would swear we are acting out of free will. But only ALMOST all of us would be fooled. The best geniuses amongst us would somehow be able to figure out we are under some sort of mind control - which they did! Einstein figured out that freewill is an illusion; while our other geniuses say we are very likely in some sort of a simulation!

https://youtube.com/shorts/WLM9roC5lJg?si=LE2K2klgbGCR8xPn

https://youtube.com/shorts/1W1-KBRY0e8?si=JOGIxtEj-gQpeNw_

https://youtube.com/shorts/ed_Nl_MimYY?si=412kQUnA43FEBt3J

Please don't cite me as a religionist for I subscribe to no religion.

Aemmyjah:
Can you trust or listen to an indecisive person?
You sabi wetin u de yan?

A freethinker does not require your trust or confidence.

Perhaps you are missing or ignoring the word "free" in "freethinker."

Aemmyjah:
A freethinker is indecisive?

Can be.
Indeed a freethinker can be completely agnostic.

Aemmyjah:
What do you mean by inspiring metaphors?
I don't think you're a freethinker cos a freethinker should have an opinion of his own - conclusion of a belief

Not necessarily.

This man's careless tongue will yet cost him his job.

Komu1048:
Ehen, so if u speak against those that condemn rapist means u didn't speak in favour of rapist abi. He was there condenming those that speak against her and the guy that covered it so what is he driving at

Learn to distill issues. If you don't, you will dwell in your present confusion right up to the grave.

Komu1048:
How I go dey shout say woman pass, is that's not stupidity ?but if u r walking naked in a public place I will look at you disgustingly n will even insult u. U r the only one supporting the girl because u like it, u encourage girls to go nude for you to feed your appetite. People are saying what d girl wore is wrong u r saying America blabla. Is this place America? Do u think before you behave like them they will automatically welcome u to their indigenous community?

There is nothing in the comments of Omoawoke to disclose whether he supports the way she dressed or not. Learn to distill issues.

Ishilove:
As it should be. Too many lunatics roaming the streets unhinged

No escaping it. Even in the world of animals, the fear of a mother is the beginning of wisdom. Mess with a pup of a wild cat, dog or bear, and you go hear am from its Mama if its around.

Long time. How are you.

Ishilove:
They need to be made an example of. I for one will go out of my way to report to the bank authorities if this kind of person is anywhere around the same space where my child is. Lunatic

Fear parents. The world begins and ends with their children.

Eunoiaa:
Please, keep quiet. As if y'all have ever needed to see a semi-naked woman before you hate on women.

"But every of their action", so it is not (only) about dressing then? If you believe every single thing every single woman alive does is a reason why women are called names, then just admit you hate the existence of women and you're a bumbling misogynist.

Don't mind the medieval barbarian.

Adakintroy:
What kind of naive position is this? What do you mean there are no regulations for men?

Who gets the light end of the decipline stick in this world comparatively?

Look, if you just said, people should be regulated as opposed to saying women should be regulated I may not have said anything to you.

Adakintroy:
This is not a we(women) verse them (men);conversation is it?.

You did not even agree that her dress choice is awful so how do we proceed. Pick a side

Are you for that kind of dressing in public or not

Why must you know my view first. What I mentioned to you has nothing to do with my view. You prescribed regulation for women, but none for men. That is sexist. That is gender apartheid.