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killyaselfie:
Sure. I’m sure NNTR also took it as a joke. Must be like the immaterial pixies only you understand.

Not just pixies, but also goblins, gnomes, fairies, elves, leprechauns, witches, wizards, black-cats, vampires, revenants, wili-wili, teke-teke, rakshasa and the like, a merry lot, you should get to know.

. . . When you join us at Blåkulla!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockula

NNTR:

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I love discipline, loll

Shadows and/or precursors are used to sensitize others to some real that's coming

1. That doesn't answer as to why the Israelites were required to make burnt offerings to Yahweh in the Old Testament. You should address yourself to the question in this way: did those burnt offerings serve as propitiation for their sins or not?

2. The answer you have given is dubious to the extent that you are trying to make out that the animal sacrifices of the OT were some sort of training or dress rehearsal for Christ's sacrifice when in fact they were fully intended to appease the barbaric pagan deity Yahweh at that time.

3. Such sacrifices were common throughout lands of the peoples of that region at that time, and the Israelites were simply no different.

If being a nincompoop is what it takes or even being a clown, is what's required, I shall be become, that, I shall become, loll.

Unlike you I have outgrown insults, and all of that was intended as a joke, which I thought you would see through.

Blasphemy, is a word, we use often for a topic and/or subject matter, which is not yet understood and even which we havent yet grasped

It is blasphemy to look at a fellow human being and begin to worship him as almighty God.
Even Jesus warned against this.

But since you worship a Jew, please do not ever look down on any others who also worship men.

Name me one perfect human being and without any sin whatsoever, dead or alive, that you've met, you've come across, you've read about, you know, you've known or you've heard about, loll?

1. On what basis is it confidently asserted that Jesus was without sin? ? ?
2. So what if he was without sin. How does that answer the question. Oho, so your Yahweh is blood thirsty for pure sacrifices, is that what you are saying?

killyaselfie:
You are one step away from calling him jackass.

O most lamentable and infernal goblin: thou neither hast the spirit of genial camaraderie nor recognizeth playful good humour, when it is afoot. Read again, and surely thou shouldest recognize it at once.

Now quicken thy wits, lest we bring a rod to thy back, as it is written:
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey and a rod for the back of the fool - Proverbs 26:3

ThickSharon123:
No, but not like Jane in X-Men oooo...it's just light lifting and I if I concentrate well enough I can pop fire on paper suddenly without matches.

Joking, surely?

NNTR:
I am not going to peacefully and soundly sleep any less, if not taking seriously.

Now, my dear friend, brother and blood, loll, fyi, I dont punctuate using 'lol', what I use, is 'loll', and it is used consciously and intentionally.

Strange that, I would never dream of requesting that you censor your posts, I would never dream of asking you to suppress your reactions to posts. As a further matter, I find it extremely amusing you being riled by my punctuating with 'loll' especially when laughter is a strong medicine, in fact, its a tonic for health. Laughter, fyi, asides, decreasing stress hormones, it increases immune cells and infection-fighting antibodies, and thus improves our resistance to disease, even a good laugh does one a world of good exercising the heart’s muscles, so that's some of the reasons behind why you see me, not miss a chance to 'laugh out loud literally'

Take caution lest we begin to mete out discipline to you.

NNTR:
Nothing to explain other than what's already said that the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament, is a precursor, is a shadow of the genuine article

What is the use of shadows and precursors ? ? ?
Desist from such meaningless pursuits with us, lest we take you for either a nincompoop or a clown.

I am going to cut to the chase with you.

Is it, just, that you replace the normal.dot file in your Microsoft Word application, when the existing one in the application, is corrupt?

What sort of preposterous analogy is this?
You had better sit up, lest we begin to upbraid and sanction you in a properly harsh manner.

I said that, because Jesus, God Incarnate, meaning, God personified in human body flesh, meaning God come down to earth,

This is blasphemy.
Be warned, and take frightful notice, lest your name is recommended for the Lake of Fire on this account.

meaning Jesus, the visible image of the invisible God while being lead to His death, was spat on. He was blindfolded, then repeatedly slapped, had missiles thrown at and struck on the head with all manners of blunt object. People along the street leading to Calvary, pulled out the hairs of His beard, as in, yanked out or ripped out His beard from His face, as He walked by, carrying His cross.

Bible narratives, further, even said, Jesus was not just ordinarily beaten but that He was extraordinarily and gruesomely beaten up. He was that so beaten up beyond recognition, such that those that looked at Him in this state, recoiled back, horrified with shock at His appearance, because He was so disfigured that He didnt at all resemble a human being anymore, as in, He hardly at all, looked like a human being after the grievous bodily harm assault (GBH) on Him. He was fugly, literally was completely panel beaten up beyond ever being recognised to be a human being.

While truly sad, this sort of horrifying experience is by no means limited to Jesus alone. In fact, many have undergone similar or worse.
Straighten up your back now as a man, and eschew sentimental thinking: lest we take you to the barracks for a flogging.

TOPCRUISE:
This is the reason the US feared selling planes to Nigeria before reaching a deal

chiokeman:
One of the reasons why American has refused to sale fighter jets to us

Nonsense, the US Air force made many such errors in the middle east - the reason they dont want to sell proper weaponry to Nigeria is imperialistic. They dont want a potentially powerful African country to possess any serious weaponry, period.

Vickyvice:
Nigeria isn't ripe for use of fighter aircraft

Do you know how many such mistakes American forces made in the middle east?

Essentially the question remains this - on what basis can a Christian condemn any ritual human sacrifice when such is at the very centre and core of Christian doctrine and indeed the Christian grounds his salvation on such.

Steep:
What I think is that the animal sacrifice represented the sacrifice of Jesus, they were temporary till the real sacrifice.

But how exactly does that work? How does something like that stand in the gap for the supposed real thing? Is it that papa-God sha must see blood before him go hear pesin, abi wetin, break it down.

And secondly this still does not answer why that "real sacrifice" is so necessary in the first place. Why is genuine repentance from sins insufficient?

NNTR:
Better, I pause at this juncture, though I have more, plenty actually, to share and shine light on blood and all, loll.

Please stop punctuating your write-ups with "lol" after every few words, if you mean to be taken seriously. Now, note that nothing you have said has justified the blood-lust of Yahweh. Why exactly is genuine repentance insufficient, why must blood-letting do the job of forgiveness? How exactly does that make sense if Yahweh is not a pagan barbarian?

TenQ:
Conclusion:
Why does God require Blood/Life as sacrifice for SIN?
Because sin MUST be punished (no escape for that)!

Cc:
NNTR

1. None of this explains the animal sacrifices of the old testament and
2. The concept of an innocent party paying with his life for the sins of guilty parties hardly seems just.

Balancing the scales of justice requires appropriate reciprocal consequences to those persons who deserve them. The idea that anyone can step in and "buy-out" the punishment is a commercial concept which should be alien to true justice, especially justice of a divine nature. Not only is this "buy-out" concept mercantile in nature, it is also intrinsically pagan and thus as far away from the purity of divine justice as can be imagined.

This is aside from the fact that the said sacrifice of Christ is questionable as a sacrifice. Because to lay down a life that you know for sure you are picking up again three days later is a much better deal than any other mortal has.

Archworld:
Benin is part and parcel of Nigeria, same way is Nigeria a part of Africa. Benin problem is a Nigerian problem, same way Nigerian problem is an African problem

No emotion; Some of us were born and raised in Benin before you were born.
We've seen many years and experienced many governments/leaders than you in Benin so calm down, not just by reading but by experience. And whatever I said is peculiar to Africa as a whole .

I dont think you know anything about the effects of colonialism on a people's heritage and culture.

Jakumo:
Money is the ultimate aphrodisiac, my brethren. If you were blessed to reach 60 years old with working bedroom tackle, and lucky enough to be worth the kind of wealth commanded by our man Mr. Ned of the Fresh Poon Fame, would you marry a 60-year old post-menopausal old bat with a bad attitude and wrinkled body, or would you pick out a fine fit and naturally busty young woman of 20 that would make you feel 20 years young when she sheds her bra and panties to unveil the promised land?

If you claim that you would marry some ancient old crone of 60, then you are the sinner for telling such a lame lie and hoping it would fly.

Ride on Sadat!

TheStakeHolder:
Toys for less privileged children. I never touched it.

Omicron007:
You are a lucky child.

A lucky child perhaps, but a shallow and stupid adult.

killyaselfie:
Stfu

Pele. Good afternoon.

killyaselfie:
Your nonsense depends on the credulity and ignorance of your interlocutor that’s why you vibe with people like a TenQ and Sonmvayina. Explain your stance about the immaterial or please stfu.

It is to be noted that this thread has been generally free of vulgarities. Too much to hope that you could leave it as decent as you found it?

killyaselfie:
Thoughts is a material process regardless if I say it’s a product of matter or distilled to the matter involves on the process.

Tell us about your magical pixies.

Just don't run away from it. Thoughts are matter you said. I even brought you the definition of matter as having mass and occupying space and you boldly said that when written down on paper, such meets the definition. Nevermind that any child would spot that you must have a thought before writing anything down in representation of it. Oh nevermind that at all.

Thoughts are matter, so you say. Just stick with it. It's one for the grandchildren.

killyaselfie:
Comical says the clown who thinks the function of the brain are performed by invisible pixies. All that grey on your head and still sound as clueless as ever.

Thoughts are products of physical matter no matter how much you object.

What, are we withdrawing to saying only that they are products of matter - haba. Don't be afraid. You already declared them matter. Have the courage of your conviction.

killyaselfie:
What a jackass. If calling your asinine postulations unfounded equates “burning the heretics” then this is a well deserved immolation.

I can't be perturbed with your insults, little man, given your preposterous description of thoughts as physical matter.

It's quite comical watching someone who is able to utter such scientific blasphemy pompously waltz around claiming the scientific high ground.

Too comical.

triplechoice:
In order to have a balanced judgement on anything one needs to listen to both sides of the "story" even when the other side is nonsense to you..

Medieval churchmen didnt listen to heretics, remember - they burnt them. And our modern "scientific" friends are very like-minded with those medieval churchmen. They also burn heretics.

Friend, lower your expectations.

triplechoice:
I have been following the conversation but not been able to comment due to some pressing engagements that has left me with not enough time to respond the way I would want to.

Still much busy . But I would hurriedly respond to the above.

Before anyone starts running away with the inferences drawn from what happened to Gage, the following should be considered;

Was Gage ,before that unfortunate incident , aware of himself as soul occupying a physical body?

Its not a very useful point to quibble about as no serious discussant would ever deny the fact that the brain plays a significant role in the deployment of the being. That damage to the brain could significantly alter the experience and interaction of a being is a given, so much so that it is almost pedantic to raise it.

I thought we would have moved past this point as I expected deepsight to have by now provided something as evidence to back all his brilliant postulations.

Sorry oh, I have no evidence to offer - certainly not of the E = MC² variety and I made that clear from the get go.

Do my eyes deceive me or someone has been freely handing out murder threats on this thread?
Mod, do the needful and hand out a life ban instanta.

wirinet:
They are aware that secession from Nigeria is not feasible or desirable. They know that it will put the igbos in worse situation than what is obtained now. A Biafra will be in a constant state of conflict and would be problem for the whole of West Africa, that is if Nigeria itself doesn't not sink into anarchy. France, UK, Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia and China would find a fertile ground for their proxy wars.

The igbo intelligentsia recognise that the igbos have been forced by the Nigerian state into a weaker position than they were in 1966. They no longer have the cohesion of the old eastern region. The igbos have been divided by state and sub-tribe - Ikwerre, Anioma, Ika. They have been helmed or isolated by the Nigerian state. Remember the dot in the circle comment by President Buhari. They have even isolated themselves from the world powers diplomatically - UK, US and Russia, choosing to rely instead on Israel(Israel cannot be trusted as they always go with the US).

No doubt.

wirinet:
Who are the we? I hope you are not talking about opiniated, exuberant and frustrated youths that call themselves IPOB? I have not heard any political leader - national, state or local government, traditional ruler, professionals and intelligentsia and opinion leaders of igbo extraction say "we want out of Nigeria".

My sensing is that it is somewhat taboo for mainstream Igbo leading lights to openly say so, but that many quietly sympathize.

jamesid29:
I totally agree with you that language technicalities is really not that important in the grand scheme of things. I just wanted to point out a misunderstanding and really didn't think it would get this long.

In any case,to your questions. I do think they're really important since they're at the core of the Christian faith.
To answer your questions is to start from the very beginning of the bible and trace a matrix of ideas with a unified theme through it.

If you don't mind, I'll like to post a few videos that I believe do a good job at this. The videos are super short (5-10mins ) and very accessible. One of the author is a solid biblical scholar and a couple of college teachers actually use their videos for their first year students

I really do hope you find these resources helpful or at least worth pondering.

Thank you very much for the videos - which I took the time to watch and absorb carefully. Sadly, my hope that they might provide anything new did not materialize. They only provide standard statements of Christian theology without substantively addressing the questions I raised. For example in the first video you have a standard statement about how the animal sacrifices of the old testament absorbed sin and made reconciliation (with God) possible and how the sacrifice of Christ also made this possible in a more perfect way. This does nothing to show exactly why such sacrifices are the way to reconciliation (- - - is God blood thirsty? - - - ) or exactly how such sacrifices present reconciliation. All of the other videos follow in the same pattern of a simple repetition of standard Christian theology without tangible rationalization or justification of same.

In my world view, a creator is primarily responsible for its created work. And consequently the responsibility for the state of the world rests primarily with the creator of the world and not created beings.
https://www.nairaland.com/6902122/creator-judge-created

Thank you nevertheless, for sharing, appreciated.

jamesid29:
That's actually a very fascinating question.

And your answer is just as interesting.

For a being to be truly God from our perspective, he not only has to be omnipotent, he also has to be perfectly Just. A perfectly just being would also have to do justice to sin otherwise he is no longer perfectly Just.
Unlike gods of the ancient world, the bible makes a claim that the God of the bible is also perfectly loving.

So if I may ask you, how do you think the bible resolves the tension between the character of a God who is perfectly just and perfectly loving , and who has to deal with free moral agents who have fallen to sin?

Do I understand right that by asking this question, you are headed in the direction which generally says that arising from the fall of man, there was no other way to balance the scales of divine justice - the sacrifice of a "pure lamb of God" being necessary to "pay the price" on behalf of mankind?

Because if the foregoing familiar argument is where you are headed, please help me with a few questions -

1. What was the purpose of the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament
2. Does the idea that one person can "pay" for the sins of another meet the requirements of justice?
3. Why must any such "payment" be in torture, blood and death?
4. What has changed after the alleged propitiatory sacrifice of Christ - do humans not still have to live righteous lives to be acceptable to God - as always was the case anyway?
5. Why is genuine repentance of sins insufficient such that a torturous blood sacrifice is required?

These to my mind are more important questions than all the hassle about language technicalities because Christian doctrine centres on the alleged propitiatory sacrifice of Christ.

Many thanks in advance.

OK Jamesid29,
Away from all the technicality of language and wayizbahs and Josiahs and Jephtahs and what not.
What is your own take on the concept of a transcendental omnipotent God requiring any kind of propitiatory sacrifice for sins - be it the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament or the alleged sacrifice of Christ of the New Testament.

mhiztaNexy:
LOL. Okay. Assumptions. All those English without reference and genuine proof against man's choice of action.

I'll gladly do what he did and y'all can say same thing. Judge!

You'll fly and some people will say it's because you can't/hate walking.


*Listening to MJ's Black and White*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2018/mar/17/black-and-white-how-dangerous-kicked-off-michael-jacksons-race-paradox

That Michael Jackson despised his black skin and preferred to be white is, for all people not willfully blind, beyond cavil.
Beyond this however, we all must sympathize with the fact that he was evidently a very disturbed man laboring under a number of psychological and possibly psychiatric pressures. For me, this is entirely human and not cause for reproach of any kind.

And further beyond all of that - he was simply a genius of his art. Indeed the greatest, and a shining gift to the world.

Jakumo:
Without question, Michael Jackson absolutely hated the fact that he was born black in America. If money alone could have purchased an alternative racial identity than black, Mike Jackson would have changed races way back when he started using chemicals to bleach his skin and straighten his curly hair.

Mike Jackson paid white surrogate parents to bear children for him after choosing not to propagate his own DNA to biological offspring, such was his determination that his children should be naturally 100% white without needing to wage chemical warfare on their skin tone and hair texture in order to appear white by America's rigid racial classification criteria.

While it is all too easy to pour scorn on Mike Jackson and other living blacks of both genders worldwide who deploy all cosmetic means possible to minimize their black racial identity, anyone who has borne the brunt of systemic unrelenting racism in America and to a lesser extent Europe will definitely have at least wondered how their daily lives could be if they had been born white rather than black.

Which is why I often feel sorry for the black South African population. What has been inflicted on them is a deep injury to the psyche which will take several generations to overcome.

TenQ:
That would be taking it closer to a human being. If they can attain the Creation of consciousness at the level of animals, that would be exceptional!

Indeed.

Thus conclusively what we have here is the assertion that something which has neither been achieved, nor been proven to be achievable, is acheiveable inspite of the acknowledgement that it is impossible to ever prove it's accomplishment.

This alone, aside from all the other glaring pointers to the truth, is enough to rest this matter.

NNTR:
Affirmative all machines are capable of absurdity

Faulty or exposed live wiring in an iron will give you nasty shock if used or touched

A runaway 18 wheeler articulated juggernaut will turn rogue because at least of failed hydraulic brakes.
In software, we say, GIGO
I think with all this talk of AI, its the nurse in the back of the mind, fear of a potential mass AI revolt, loll

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I did not mean malfunctions. I will explain what I meant in my next post to TenQ.