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Christianity Etc › Re: See The Verse In The Bible That Said God Has Strength Of "Unicorn" (WTF!) by DeepSight(m): 8:52pm On Jan 08, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
See mumu rumour carrier! cheesy
My friend everyone knows the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses, so present a publication with a specific date on it àbí it's just the same lies against this group just like your friends? cheesy
Playing the Ostrich cannot change notorious historical facts.

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1878: End of the harvest

In 1876, Russell adopted the belief promulgated by some Adventist preachers that Jesus' parousia, or presence, had begun in 1874 and that the gathering of the little flock preliminary to the grand climax was already in progress. Using a form of parallel dispensations that incorporated "types" and "antitypes"—historical situations that prefigured corresponding situations later in time[9]—he calculated the harvest would extend only to 1878, at which time the gathered saints would be translated into spirit form.[10][2] The year would also bring the beginning of the "exercise of power" of God's kingdom, with evidence that God's favor was returning to the Jews.[11]

The failure of Russell's prediction did not significantly alter the movement's short-term, date-focused orientation. In early 1881 Russell asserted that 1878 had, indeed, been a milestone year, marking the point at which "the nominal Christian churches were cast off from God's favor".[12]
1881: A revised end of the harvest

By 1881, Russell had found a biblical basis for extending the harvest to a new date, later that year.[5] He explained:

Coming to the spring of 1878 ... we naturally and not unreasonably expected some change of our condition, and all were more or less disappointed when nothing supernatural occurred. But our disappointment was brief, for we noticed that the Jewish church (and not the Gospel church) was the pattern of ours, and therefore we should not expect parallels to Pentecost or to anything which happened in the beginning of this church.[12]

Russell wrote that "the light upon our pathway still shines and is more and more glorious" and that since 1878 the light had glowed stronger. The timing of their translation to heaven seemed nearer, he wrote: "We know not the day or hour, but expect it during 1881, possibly near the autumn where the parallels show the favor to Zion complete and due to end, the door to the marriage to shut, and the high calling to be the bride of Christ, to cease."[12]

The second failure in 1881 precipitated a more serious crisis in the Bible Student ranks and for several years Russell's followers waited for the belated translation to occur.[5] Russell's chronological timetable had already identified 1914 as the ultimate end of the "time of trouble", and this preserved the commitment of followers who might have been discouraged by their failed expectations for 1881.[13] Yet many members found it inconceivable that their earthly departure might be delayed that long. Russell consoled members with the news that 1881 had still marked the time when "death became a blessing" in the sense that any saint who died would henceforth be instantaneously changed into a spirit being.[14] The revised view provided comfort for early believers who had held the view that the living faithful would never experience a physical death, and yet had seen other members in fact dying while they awaited their upward call. After 1881, physical death was defined as one of the ways in which some of the saints might undergo their translation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions#1881:_A_revised_end_of_the_harvest

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Christianity Etc › Re: See The Verse In The Bible That Said God Has Strength Of "Unicorn" (WTF!) by DeepSight(m): 6:47pm On Jan 08, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
So you lied against the group!
I know there's no evidence of your assertion that they predicted the end of the world but if i say you lied from the beginning you will just continue arguing fruitlessly.
Next time people are spreading rumours try to verify things before you join them spreading such rumour. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES never predicted anything they're just anticipating the end of the world just like ancient servants of God.
You're free to prove me wrong by presenting just one of their publications where a specific date e.g (Saturday, 8th January 2022) is written.
In the absence of that then you've been misinformed my friend! wink

"Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society publications have made a series of predictions about Christ's Second Coming and the advent of God's Kingdom, each of which has gone unfulfilled. Almost all the predictions for 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918 and 1925 were later reinterpreted as a confirmation of the eschatological framework of the Bible Student movement and Jehovah's Witnesses, with many of the predicted events viewed as having taken place invisibly. Further expectations were held for the arrival of Armageddon in 1975, but resulted in a later apology to members from the society's leadership."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Christianity Etc › Re: See The Verse In The Bible That Said God Has Strength Of "Unicorn" (WTF!) by DeepSight(m): 6:43pm On Jan 08, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Osama bin laden will carry weapons against you but i will never raise any weapons against anyone. So you're wrong Sir!

When wisdom speaks intelligent people will know that this person is highly intelligent so if you don't know how to contribute to the discussion why not follow quietly and learn? smiley
You belong to a cult.

"Specific factors in cult behaviour are said to include manipulative and authoritarian mind control over members, communal and totalistic organization, aggressive proselytizing, systematic programs of indoctrination, and perpetuation in middle-class communities."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Secular_anti-cult_movement
Christianity Etc › Re: See The Verse In The Bible That Said God Has Strength Of "Unicorn" (WTF!) by DeepSight(m): 5:47pm On Jan 08, 2022
plaetton:
Isn't that the point?
A God or belief system is as good or bad or as silly as the mind that creates it.

There is no such thing as a perfect human. The human psyche is far too complex to ascribe simplistic terms like perfect or imperfect.
Just like everything else in the universe, we are constantly evolving both in mind and in body.
Every era has its set of values or worldviews.
The grand folly of Religion is the futile and comical attempt to adopt Bronze Age myths, beliefs systems and values in the modern era.
It becomes a joke, as it currently is.
Dont waste your energy, speaking to this fellow is like trying to dissuade Osama Bin Laden from the path of terrorism.
Chap is a fully brainwashed extremist fanatic.
Crime › Re: CCTV Shows Rahmon Adedoyin, Others, Entered Timothy Oludare Room, Took His Body by DeepSight(m): 5:38pm On Jan 08, 2022
What a pity. Three pages and only two people have spotted the fact that no evidence shows these people killed the deceased.
Family › Re: Is My Elder Brother Possessed Or An Occultic Man? by DeepSight(m): 2:11pm On Jan 08, 2022
CEOwatazs:
To tender advice nah crime again abi kini?
Dont be flippant about it. People have been known to act on crazy pieces of advice received online. Even in terms of suicide.
Dont presume whats out there.
Family › Re: So I Am Getting A Divorce... How Do I Adjust? by DeepSight(m): 8:32am On Jan 08, 2022
Optimistic4life:
The shame, mockery
Perish the thought of these irrelevancies and focus on your happiness.
There is no shame in being divorced.
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 2:08pm On Jan 07, 2022
motayoayinde:
BTW, UMAR IS A SLAVE OF ALLAH LIKE YOU AND I.
Feel free to proclaim slavery for yourself, but please leave others out of it.
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 2:06pm On Jan 07, 2022
motayoayinde:
YOUR CURSES ARE A WASTE!

I SERVE THE ONE WHO HOLDS THE SUPREME POWER.

ALLAH.
I curse you not - I wish you what you wish others.
Simple.
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 1:58pm On Jan 07, 2022
motayoayinde:
WHAT ELSE IS?

ISN'T DARKNESS THE OPPOSITE OF LIGHT?
So according to you, every woman who does not wear the Hijab is going about nakedd.
You see, you are simply a deluded and brainwashed caveman stuck in the barbaric mindset of a medieval misogynist.

It is my prayer that you be every bit as enslaved as you try to enslave women.
May you also be constricted to prison-format-enslavement-apparels.

May every restriction you try to place on women from your barbaric doctrines and teachings apply to you and hold you fast and tight in bondage accordingly.
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 1:05pm On Jan 07, 2022
Lukgaf, why do you recommend for any dignified human being a prison-format-enslavement-and-dehumanization-hijab?
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 12:46pm On Jan 07, 2022
motayoayinde:
THE DISCOMFORT OF COVERING DURING HEAT IS INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO THE DESTRUCTION THAT COMES WITH NUDITY.

BESIDES, IT'S THE COMMAND OF MY LORD.
IT MUST BE OBEYED.
Why do you guys pretend that the only alternative to your prison-format-enslavement-hijab is nudity?
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m):
Hammyaladin:
Why are you angry?? Freedom is two way. If You can allow your woman roam about with pant and bra.... Islam also reserve the right to let women go out modestly... Only a Hot individuals will complain towards a harmless way of life .
In what country or culture is it standard fare for women to roam about with "pant and bra?"

The truth is that this is not standard fare anywhere - the problem is you medieval backward people consider normal decent dressing to be nakeddness once it is not the prison-format-enslavement-hijab.
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 11:49am On Jan 07, 2022
Lukgaf: A woman [or a man] should not try to comprehend Islamic rulings with her reason
Of course, so that she remains enslaved forever, never questioning the barbaric injunctions dished out to her, which are designed to dehumanize her and keep her in permanent bondage.
Islam › Re: Why is it important for Muslim Woman to Use Hijab? by DeepSight(m): 11:42am On Jan 07, 2022
Hammyaladin:
This was how women dressed before but sadly today, they roam about naked like animals while there male counterpart dress's well without showing there balls and genitals
Why do you guys always make this patently misogynistic and unfair comparison. You say that men do not expose their genitals when they dress - tell me - where do you see women dress exposing their genitals ? ? ?

You just make deliberately false and ridiculous comparisons in order to perpetuate the enslavement of women behind the prison of the ninja mask.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 1:37am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
You don't even know the difintion of a vaccum dude.
A vacuum cannot contain a gas, even in minimal quantity unless it's partial vacuum.

You don't know what a vacuum is and you don't want to leant it. Thete are no gas molecules in vacuum, no pressure. All your gaseous pressure statement is junk science
Just to come back to this briefly and show you how wrong you are -
I extract the following for you: please read and be educated on what you struggle to discuss -

A vacuum is a volume of space that is essentially empty of matter, so that gaseous pressure is much less than standard atmospheric pressure. The root of the word vacuum is the Latin adjective vacuus which means "empty," but space can never be perfectly empty. A perfect vacuum with a gaseous pressure of absolute zero is a philosophical concept that is never observed in practice, and quantum theory predicts that no volume of space is perfectly empty in this way. Physicists often use the term "vacuum" slightly differently. They discuss ideal test results that would be expected to occur in a perfect vacuum, which they simply call "vacuum" or "free space," and they use the term partial vacuum to refer to the imperfect vacua realized in practice.

The quality of a vacuum is measured by how closely it approaches a perfect vacuum. The residual gas pressure is the primary indicator of quality, and it is most commonly measured in units of torr, even in metric contexts. Lower pressures indicate higher quality, although other variables must also be taken into account. Quantum mechanics sets limits on the best possible quality of vacuum. Outer space is a natural high-quality vacuum, mostly of much higher quality than what can be created artificially with current technology. Low-quality, artificial vacuums have been used for suction for millennia.


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Quantum-mechanical definition

Even an ideal vacuum, in practice—thought of as the complete absence of anything—will not remain empty. One reason is that the walls of a vacuum chamber emit light in the form of black-body radiation: visible light if they are at a temperature of thousands of degrees, infrared light if they are cooler. If this soup of photons is in thermodynamic equilibrium with the walls, it can be said to have a particular temperature, as well as a pressure.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Vacuum

You had better pay attention to the words in bold and learn a thing or two.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 1:13am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
I think you also have basic comphension problem.

Where did i infer that Copernicus was the first to muster the idea?

We can't have a discussion because you are in a haste to find errors instead of comprehending.

The point is: none of the philosophers proved spherical earth, no one is arguing your strawman argument as to whether they didn't hold such beliefs.

Calm down and digest my statements
They had reference points for their logic concerning their view of the spherical Earth. You have not read the justifications elucidated by Achimedes and Aristotle for example. You are lazy.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 1:07am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
You don't even know the difintion of a vaccum dude.
A vacuum cannot contain a gas, even in minimal quantity unless it's partial vacuum.

You don't know what a vacuum is and you don't want to leant it. Thete are no gas molecules in vacuum, no pressure. All your gaseous pressure statement is junk science
Seriously?
Tell me, where has a vacuum with zero gaseous pressure ever been experimented with?

First go read carefully about vacuums, I cannot keep repeating something to a Sciolist.
You go and read on vacuums and stop throwing about words you dont understand.

I didn't even know where I said we have perfect vacuum.
Nothingness implies a perfect vacuum. And so long as you speak of anything emerging from nothingness you are referring to a perfect vacuum - and there is no such thing anywhere in existence. None whatsoever.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:58am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
Trust I did.

Copernicus was the first person to prove spherical earth and heliocentric solar system.
All the philosophers were just arguing.

I mean, every newbie in science knows about Copernicus and his works
Whilst famous for the Heliocentric Theory of the solar system (the idea that the Earth and planets revolved around the sun) Copernicus was by no means the first to settle the idea that the Earth was a sphere.

You are simply ignorant of what you are trying to discuss.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:56am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
If you remove all gazes from a vacuum, you cannot have any pressure. Don't even talk about gaseous pressure in an a vaccum, it only works in a partial vacuum.

It's basic science for god sake.

Why talk about gaseous low pressure when you already remove all gases. Doesn't make any sense

There's no perfect vacuum yes, and the reason is because something always come from nothing called "virtual particles". This makes it impossible for us to have a perfect vacuum. Something must come from nothing. This gives credence to my initisl argument with evidence from quantum physics that something comes from nothing in vacuums hence we cannot overrule the universe coming from nothing like virtual particles.

Educate yourself dude and stop looking for virtual errors.
You are simply contradicting yourself (and embarrassing yourself).
There is nothing like a perfect vacuum anywhere - fact.
And that is basic science.

The virtual particles you speak of are fluctuations observed in a space that is not nothing. That space contains minimal gas and energy too. Its never a perfect vacuum, this is elementary. And no, its not the fluctuations alone which make it an imperfect vacuum.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:42am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
Your links where argument made, same argument they always make.
None provided evidence for spherical earth.
Thats false, you simply didnt read them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:41am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
You must be stuck in stone age.

You stopped making sense when you said "low gas pressure in a vacuum".

Does that make any scientific sense to you?

You should read up on what gas pressures are and then relate it to the defitnion of a vacuum
No, you go and read up.
There is no perfect vacuum observed anywhere, and there never has been.

"Nothingness" by definition does not exist, has never been observed (nor can nothingness be observed) much less experimented with.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:38am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
nonsense, none of them proved anything with logic until scientific methods started popping.

Logic alone is flawed without evidence.

Whether or not you want to argue all night, it's stupid to rely on pure logic to make accurate conclusions and that's why your so called philosophers argue about jargons every now and then.
There is usually no evidence to close the case. It's the same reason none of them could prove spheriod earth until we found evidence
I have told you all logic must have reference points. If you didnt understand that, thats your cup of tea.
And yes, there were reference points for the conclusion of the ancient Greeks that the Earth was a sphere.
I provided some to you via the links I showed you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:26am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
none of them figured the earth is sphere. They were arguing baselessly on it.
The first person to actually test it is copernicus and then Galileo and that gives credence to the fact that logic without evidence is useless.

None of the great philosophers could prove spherical earth, none of them. It's more reason logic alone is not enough for me and for any reasonable person.

Calm down, don't be in a haste to find virtual mistakes, get the pioints first
This is all false. The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere. This is a fact.
As I said, this fact is even alluded to in the Bible.
You simply dont know the facts.

We know atheism is simply a fad for some of you, but please try not to make a mess of your pitiful ignorance so publicly, while speaking nonsense so majestically.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 12:23am On Jan 07, 2022
Workch:
By definition, nothing means without mass, radiation or any detected force.
Nonsense. The so called vacuums as I said contain low gaseous pressure. That knocks out your claim here.

Something with mass and force has come out of that definition of nothing in quantum physics.
What is a virtual particle if not a mere fluctuation?
You are talking bunkum.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 3:03pm On Jan 06, 2022
LordReed:
Please where did I mention genetic predisposition?
No worries my man. Taken.
The thing is that even if that's not what you meant, even for a non-determinist, genetic predisposition remains something to reflect upon in the discussion.

I await you on the other thread.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 2:45pm On Jan 06, 2022
LordReed:
Please where did I mention genetic predisposition?
Here, good sir -

LordReed:
There is nothing like mind of your own, we are products of those that came before us.
I would recommend a strong coffee to wake you up.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 1:48pm On Jan 06, 2022
LordReed:
Facepalm.

You are just so determined to read meaning into everything. I was referring to our thoughts, we have absorbed the thoughts of others in one form or another and it shapes our thoughts now. It in no way indicates determinism nor does it absolve anyone of personal responsibility, you are still the decider of your own actions.
I think you should dwell on it some more still.
For we are influenced - and even railroaded - by a great many factors.
And in this, DNA, for instance, counts big.

Genetic predisposition is a big point in the argument re: free will v determinism.

And one can trace genetic predisposition a long and deep way down an almost inexhaustible rabbit-hole - probably all the way to the beginning of the universe and potentially beyond.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by DeepSight(m): 11:49am On Jan 06, 2022
sonmvayina:
Christians believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and that one who does not have a blood sacrifice will die in their sins and go to hell. For Christians, the ultimate and only blood sacrifice that counts with God came in the death of Jesus. Christianity believes that if one does not accept the death of Jesus as one’s blood sacrifice, then one is condemned to an eternity enduring the punishments of hell.

In Judaism the centrality of the animal sacrifices ceased, not with the second destruction of the Temple by the Romans, but rather with the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. One must keep in mind that the vast majority of Jews never returned to the Promised Land under Cyrus of Persia. They remained in Babylonia. By the time Jesus was said to have been born, eighty percent of the world’s Jewish community lived outside the Promised Land, and did not care about the cessation of animal sacrifices. When the Temple was reestablished, the Jews of Babylonia made an annual financial gift for the maintenance of the Temple and the land, but never worried that God would not forgive them their sins without a blood sacrifice (much as Jews all over the world do today). They had no such fear because the Bible makes it explicitly clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. The Bible also makes it clear that an animal sacrifice is not the exclusive means of obtaining forgiveness.
Christianity must at all events count as a barbaric pagan religion for grounding its core doctrine on ritual human sacrifice/ bloodletting and torture.
Christianity Etc › Re: Out Of the Options, Pick One That You Believe Explains The Universe Creation by DeepSight(m): 11:46am On Jan 06, 2022
LordReed:
There is nothing like mind of your own, we are products of those that came before us.
Whaaaaaaat? ? ?
Do my eyes deceive me or you just said this?
Reference our discussion on matter and mind.

This surely negates personal responsibility and also embraces determinism.
It also walks right into the position (which I contest) that matter (such as DNA) determines all . . .
Christianity Etc › Re: Here's The Most Stupid Person In The Bible by DeepSight(m): 11:39am On Jan 06, 2022
Workch:
OK, my vote goes for Abraham. After hearing voices in his head he gives up his home and makes his family and sex slave live in a tent. He mutilates his own genitals, then his son’s then actually gets the kid to help him build an alter so he can offer him up as a human sacrifice. The voice in his head tells him to stop at the last minute. But still later after getting his sex slave pregnant he sends her and his other son out into the wilderness to die because he wife nagged him about it.


I mean. Bleep.

What Abraham needed was a course of Chlorpromazine two to four times a day in conjunction with some sort of talking therapy twice a week. However, it seems god isn't a man of science or medicine.
Its nuts, isn't it?
Its amazing how stupendously daft as well as outrightly insane conduct is celebrated once dressed under the cloak of religion.

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