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MaxInDHouse:Playing the Ostrich cannot change notorious historical facts. - - - - 1878: End of the harvest In 1876, Russell adopted the belief promulgated by some Adventist preachers that Jesus' parousia, or presence, had begun in 1874 and that the gathering of the little flock preliminary to the grand climax was already in progress. Using a form of parallel dispensations that incorporated "types" and "antitypes"—historical situations that prefigured corresponding situations later in time[9]—he calculated the harvest would extend only to 1878, at which time the gathered saints would be translated into spirit form.[10][2] The year would also bring the beginning of the "exercise of power" of God's kingdom, with evidence that God's favor was returning to the Jews.[11] The failure of Russell's prediction did not significantly alter the movement's short-term, date-focused orientation. In early 1881 Russell asserted that 1878 had, indeed, been a milestone year, marking the point at which "the nominal Christian churches were cast off from God's favor".[12] 1881: A revised end of the harvest By 1881, Russell had found a biblical basis for extending the harvest to a new date, later that year.[5] He explained: Coming to the spring of 1878 ... we naturally and not unreasonably expected some change of our condition, and all were more or less disappointed when nothing supernatural occurred. But our disappointment was brief, for we noticed that the Jewish church (and not the Gospel church) was the pattern of ours, and therefore we should not expect parallels to Pentecost or to anything which happened in the beginning of this church.[12] Russell wrote that "the light upon our pathway still shines and is more and more glorious" and that since 1878 the light had glowed stronger. The timing of their translation to heaven seemed nearer, he wrote: "We know not the day or hour, but expect it during 1881, possibly near the autumn where the parallels show the favor to Zion complete and due to end, the door to the marriage to shut, and the high calling to be the bride of Christ, to cease."[12] The second failure in 1881 precipitated a more serious crisis in the Bible Student ranks and for several years Russell's followers waited for the belated translation to occur.[5] Russell's chronological timetable had already identified 1914 as the ultimate end of the "time of trouble", and this preserved the commitment of followers who might have been discouraged by their failed expectations for 1881.[13] Yet many members found it inconceivable that their earthly departure might be delayed that long. Russell consoled members with the news that 1881 had still marked the time when "death became a blessing" in the sense that any saint who died would henceforth be instantaneously changed into a spirit being.[14] The revised view provided comfort for early believers who had held the view that the living faithful would never experience a physical death, and yet had seen other members in fact dying while they awaited their upward call. After 1881, physical death was defined as one of the ways in which some of the saints might undergo their translation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions#1881:_A_revised_end_of_the_harvest . |
MaxInDHouse: "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society publications have made a series of predictions about Christ's Second Coming and the advent of God's Kingdom, each of which has gone unfulfilled. Almost all the predictions for 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918 and 1925 were later reinterpreted as a confirmation of the eschatological framework of the Bible Student movement and Jehovah's Witnesses, with many of the predicted events viewed as having taken place invisibly. Further expectations were held for the arrival of Armageddon in 1975, but resulted in a later apology to members from the society's leadership." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions |
MaxInDHouse:You belong to a cult. "Specific factors in cult behaviour are said to include manipulative and authoritarian mind control over members, communal and totalistic organization, aggressive proselytizing, systematic programs of indoctrination, and perpetuation in middle-class communities." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult#Secular_anti-cult_movement |
plaetton:Dont waste your energy, speaking to this fellow is like trying to dissuade Osama Bin Laden from the path of terrorism. Chap is a fully brainwashed extremist fanatic. |
What a pity. Three pages and only two people have spotted the fact that no evidence shows these people killed the deceased. |
CEOwatazs:Dont be flippant about it. People have been known to act on crazy pieces of advice received online. Even in terms of suicide. Dont presume whats out there. |
Optimistic4life:Perish the thought of these irrelevancies and focus on your happiness. There is no shame in being divorced. |
motayoayinde:Feel free to proclaim slavery for yourself, but please leave others out of it. |
motayoayinde:I curse you not - I wish you what you wish others. Simple. |
motayoayinde:So according to you, every woman who does not wear the Hijab is going about nakedd. You see, you are simply a deluded and brainwashed caveman stuck in the barbaric mindset of a medieval misogynist. It is my prayer that you be every bit as enslaved as you try to enslave women. May you also be constricted to prison-format-enslavement-apparels. May every restriction you try to place on women from your barbaric doctrines and teachings apply to you and hold you fast and tight in bondage accordingly. |
Lukgaf, why do you recommend for any dignified human being a prison-format-enslavement-and-dehumanization-hijab? |
motayoayinde:Why do you guys pretend that the only alternative to your prison-format-enslavement-hijab is nudity? |
Hammyaladin:In what country or culture is it standard fare for women to roam about with "pant and bra?" The truth is that this is not standard fare anywhere - the problem is you medieval backward people consider normal decent dressing to be nakeddness once it is not the prison-format-enslavement-hijab. |
Lukgaf: A woman [or a man] should not try to comprehend Islamic rulings with her reasonOf course, so that she remains enslaved forever, never questioning the barbaric injunctions dished out to her, which are designed to dehumanize her and keep her in permanent bondage. |
Hammyaladin:Why do you guys always make this patently misogynistic and unfair comparison. You say that men do not expose their genitals when they dress - tell me - where do you see women dress exposing their genitals ? ? ? You just make deliberately false and ridiculous comparisons in order to perpetuate the enslavement of women behind the prison of the ninja mask. |
Workch:Just to come back to this briefly and show you how wrong you are - I extract the following for you: please read and be educated on what you struggle to discuss - A vacuum is a volume of space that is essentially empty of matter, so that gaseous pressure is much less than standard atmospheric pressure. The root of the word vacuum is the Latin adjective vacuus which means "empty," but space can never be perfectly empty. A perfect vacuum with a gaseous pressure of absolute zero is a philosophical concept that is never observed in practice, and quantum theory predicts that no volume of space is perfectly empty in this way. Physicists often use the term "vacuum" slightly differently. They discuss ideal test results that would be expected to occur in a perfect vacuum, which they simply call "vacuum" or "free space," and they use the term partial vacuum to refer to the imperfect vacua realized in practice. The quality of a vacuum is measured by how closely it approaches a perfect vacuum. The residual gas pressure is the primary indicator of quality, and it is most commonly measured in units of torr, even in metric contexts. Lower pressures indicate higher quality, although other variables must also be taken into account. Quantum mechanics sets limits on the best possible quality of vacuum. Outer space is a natural high-quality vacuum, mostly of much higher quality than what can be created artificially with current technology. Low-quality, artificial vacuums have been used for suction for millennia. ----- Quantum-mechanical definition Even an ideal vacuum, in practice—thought of as the complete absence of anything—will not remain empty. One reason is that the walls of a vacuum chamber emit light in the form of black-body radiation: visible light if they are at a temperature of thousands of degrees, infrared light if they are cooler. If this soup of photons is in thermodynamic equilibrium with the walls, it can be said to have a particular temperature, as well as a pressure. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Vacuum You had better pay attention to the words in bold and learn a thing or two. |
Workch:They had reference points for their logic concerning their view of the spherical Earth. You have not read the justifications elucidated by Achimedes and Aristotle for example. You are lazy. |
Workch:Seriously? Tell me, where has a vacuum with zero gaseous pressure ever been experimented with? First go read carefully about vacuums, I cannot keep repeating something to a Sciolist.You go and read on vacuums and stop throwing about words you dont understand. I didn't even know where I said we have perfect vacuum.Nothingness implies a perfect vacuum. And so long as you speak of anything emerging from nothingness you are referring to a perfect vacuum - and there is no such thing anywhere in existence. None whatsoever. |
Workch:Whilst famous for the Heliocentric Theory of the solar system (the idea that the Earth and planets revolved around the sun) Copernicus was by no means the first to settle the idea that the Earth was a sphere. You are simply ignorant of what you are trying to discuss. |
Workch:You are simply contradicting yourself (and embarrassing yourself). There is nothing like a perfect vacuum anywhere - fact. And that is basic science. The virtual particles you speak of are fluctuations observed in a space that is not nothing. That space contains minimal gas and energy too. Its never a perfect vacuum, this is elementary. And no, its not the fluctuations alone which make it an imperfect vacuum. |
Workch:Thats false, you simply didnt read them. |
Workch:No, you go and read up. There is no perfect vacuum observed anywhere, and there never has been. "Nothingness" by definition does not exist, has never been observed (nor can nothingness be observed) much less experimented with. |
Workch:I have told you all logic must have reference points. If you didnt understand that, thats your cup of tea. And yes, there were reference points for the conclusion of the ancient Greeks that the Earth was a sphere. I provided some to you via the links I showed you. |
Workch:This is all false. The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere. This is a fact. As I said, this fact is even alluded to in the Bible. You simply dont know the facts. We know atheism is simply a fad for some of you, but please try not to make a mess of your pitiful ignorance so publicly, while speaking nonsense so majestically. |
Workch:Nonsense. The so called vacuums as I said contain low gaseous pressure. That knocks out your claim here. Something with mass and force has come out of that definition of nothing in quantum physics.What is a virtual particle if not a mere fluctuation? You are talking bunkum. |
LordReed:No worries my man. Taken. The thing is that even if that's not what you meant, even for a non-determinist, genetic predisposition remains something to reflect upon in the discussion. I await you on the other thread. |
LordReed:I think you should dwell on it some more still. For we are influenced - and even railroaded - by a great many factors. And in this, DNA, for instance, counts big. Genetic predisposition is a big point in the argument re: free will v determinism. And one can trace genetic predisposition a long and deep way down an almost inexhaustible rabbit-hole - probably all the way to the beginning of the universe and potentially beyond. |
sonmvayina:Christianity must at all events count as a barbaric pagan religion for grounding its core doctrine on ritual human sacrifice/ bloodletting and torture. |
LordReed:Whaaaaaaat? ? ? Do my eyes deceive me or you just said this? Reference our discussion on matter and mind. This surely negates personal responsibility and also embraces determinism. It also walks right into the position (which I contest) that matter (such as DNA) determines all . . . |
Workch:Its nuts, isn't it? Its amazing how stupendously daft as well as outrightly insane conduct is celebrated once dressed under the cloak of religion. |
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