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krattoss:
u clearly didn't get my angle of perspective.
What I was saying in summary is that no destination or place can guarantee u happiness and self comfort unless u urself develops it irrespective of the condition u find ur self in.
All these atrocities u mentioned happens everywhere. Mass shooting and gang wars happens in America.
Knife slashing, racism and other vices happens in Britain and other European countries.
Vote rigging happens everywhere. U can't know because Inferiority complex and as$ licking won't let u know what happens behind the scenes in these countries u worship.
People make it here as much as people make it abroad. People also fail here as much as people fail over there.
Africa and Nigeria is corrupt and there is nothing u and I can do about it. So why wail and die on something u can't change.?
Or should we all pack our bags and go abroad because the country is corrupt?
Those places u worship and adore, is their citizens not the ones that made it habitable for themselves?
The time u realize every person, city is not equal, the better u live and enjoy ur life while it lasts.
Or u can choose to wail and blame the politicians 24/7.its all ur choice.

Beautiful!

veneza:
you people should just end all this shit argument, its not worth it. If you think Nigerian is the best for you then so be it. One mans meat is another's poison.
But if you are not OK with Nigeria no one is holding anyone back,you can zoom out according to your pocket, I believe the easiest route is seme border,just N500 you are already in Benin republic.

Well said!

RoastedCorn:
you're twice my age doesn't mean you're smarter, and about who is more traveled, that is open for argument

Totally agree - and I only said so as I am getting sick of your empty and useless vituperations. You speak absolute nonsense when its obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. Its clear from what you write that you are still a little kid who has not seen much of the world - but no matter. Just at least try to calm down and seek a worthwhile path forward. Who do you think you are helping with all this negative and meaningless ranting? Nobody. Your country is cursed? Ok - we agree, go jump off a cliff! Would that make you happy?

You need to calm your self down - and I have been trying to be patient with you despite your many meaningless insults and presumptions. I can see where you are coming from but there is so much more to life than just frustration with the state of things. Trust me, I know.

Now I ask you the same question: What is your grouse with Nigeria and what do you intend to do about it?

rs172:
This is 5am in an African country i stayed for some while..

Note: the street i stayed wasn't there high brow area

Deepsight i challenge you to take a picture of 5a.m in your street..

My street is perfect and much nicer than this, thanks - but I have no need to engage in such infantile nonsense.
Now let me ask you a question.

What exactly is your grouse with Nigeria and what do you intend to do about it?

RoastedCorn:
I just tire my guy, The guy is grossly ignorant. .... he probably just read a faulty research and he's been using it to argue, he has low knowledge of how countries around the world are advancing

Oh shap ap you little boy! I have no doubt I am at least twice your age and a hundred times more vastly traveled.
I am indulging you just to see if I am able to encourage young Nigerians to have a positive attitude to our country - because it is key for your future.

If you like, have a woe-begone attitude - thats your kettle of fish, not mine.
Now smarten up for once and render sensible arguments or please feel free to return to your desperate and hopeless sense of misery.

RoastedCorn:
Just so you'd know Rwanda is miles ahead of Nigeria

Nope. It is not.

rs172:
Roastedcorn you shouldn't have made the research, i wanted him (deepsight) to speak for himself and make a fool out of himself.

Stupid set of people who are addicted to poverty, people believing it the people's work to start developing Nigeria, when you elect leaders.

There's nothing he sourced or mentioned that changes the point I am trying to help you see.
We are happy for Rwanda - End of.

How does that change the issues at play?

RoastedCorn:
you said "if you think no progress has been made in Nigeria, you're probably a teenager"

Yes thats because progress has been made.
Our history is a work of conflict resolution in progress and by that parameter our democracy is a sign post of progress for those old enough to properly remember military rule. Do you?

Aside from that there has been progress in some key sectors. Telecommunications is one. Still a long way to go though.

RoastedCorn:
1. You can start a business in 48 hours in Rwanda. It takes 11.1 days on average in OECD high income countries.

2. Rwanda is leading Africa’s digital revolution. The Smart Kigali initiative will create access to free wireless internet on public buses, in hospitals, taxi parks, commercial buildings and restaurants, while a partnership with Korea Telecom is creating access to 4G for 95% of the population.

3. Between 2001 and 2012, real GDP growth in Rwanda averaged 8.1% per annum. According to the Fitch rating agency, Rwanda is experiencing ‘rapid and inclusive economic growth driven by credible economic policy’.

4. Rwanda has the world’s highest representation of women in parliament. 64% of Rwanda’s members of parliament are women.

5. A dramatic improvement in healthcare delivery and health outcomes has seen life expectancy in Rwanda rise by 10 years in the last decade. Over 90% of Rwandans have access to medical insurance.

6. Rwanda is one of the few African countries on track to achieve the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). Net primary school attendance is at over 91%.

7. One million Rwandans overcame poverty between 2006 and 2011. Innovative homegrown development solutions have reduced poverty. For example, the Girinka programme, which provides every poor family in Rwanda with a cow, has reduced malnutrition, increased agricultural productivity and created small business opportunities.

8. In 2007, Rwanda became the first country in the world to legislate an outright ban on plastic bags. It is estimated that the EU produces 3.4m tonnes of plastic bags in a year, creating carbon emissions and dangerous waste.

9. On the last Saturday of every month, every Rwandan, starting with the President, participates in Umuganda, a day of national community service. Through Umuganda, Rwandans have built schools, medical centres, hydroelectric plants, and rehabilitated wetlands to create highly productive agricultural plots, and cleaned their cities, towns and villages – making Kigali one of the cleanest cities in Africa.

10. According to the Ibrahim index of African Governance, Rwanda is one of the only two countries to show consistent overall governance improvements since 2000. It is ranked number one in Africa for Gender, and is one of the top five most improved countries since 2000.

http://africabusiness2020.com/2015/07/21/10-interesting-facts-about-rwanda/

Thats all very good and commendable.

My friend you really need to step back and analyze properly. I see you are a student, you do have a long way to go.
Calm your nerves.

rs172:
Ok now mention what made Lagos more developed than Rwanda

Why should I?
Why dont you tell me how Rwanda is more developed than Lagos?

Have you been to both places by the way?

Look, Rwanda is a very small country gradually getting its act together and getting things right after a horrible past. That is commendable. Needless to say their smaller size makes them more manageable. This does not mean that Rwanda is a more developed space than Lagos. It simply is not. Not by a mile.

RoastedCorn:
Now you're telling me Nigeria is developing...

I dont think I said that. Although we are in some respects.

In fact thunder will strike you if you quote me again, you low-thinking, poverty-succumbing imp

Hahahahahahahaaha!
This actually cracked me up, so funny!

Slow your roll brother, calm your nerves, your journey has only begun.

RoastedCorn:
Bro I was a pro Nigeria and still am, but I don tire, I'm frustrated cos I know me and you can't change the country

I understand your frustration but don't give up. I read up there you are a medical student.
Your journey has only begun.
Stay positive.

rs172:
Then why can't Lagos be more developed than Rwanda

It is.

SIRTee15:
I pointed out successful countries in the tropics because u alluded to climatic condition as a reason for our underdevelopment....
Pls learn to follow YOUR own line of argument...ok....

Brother there are many factors at play and you need to settle down and have the capacity to take a birds eye view of the interplay of the various factors. I hope you appreciate that?

With reference to my reference to Climate, please note that that is a factor which deals with a large expanse of time - and as such when I refer to climate I am discussing a factor which has had its impact across millions of years. You will not be able to appreciate my point if you are taking a look at the present time only. In a nut shell, what I mean is that there are climatic factors inherent in the development of the various races and peoples of the world - and this is a fact that is indisputable. However it is something that is evident over long periods of time and not necessarily observable in the present instant.

It is thus very wrong for you to point out countries in the tropics that are doing better than Nigeria as a rebuttal of that argument. Very wrong indeed. Because many factors will interplay to give such results regardless: this does not take anything away from the historical role that climate has played in the development of various races and peoples.

Besides there are equally relatively successful large heterogeneous countries within the tropical belt zone....
Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia etc....

Indonesia is still struggling. The mere fact that it is doing better in some respects does not change the fundamental point. Various factors affect performance everywhere nor can all countries develop at precisely the same rate.

Did you say Saudi Arabia is heterogeneous? In comparison to Nigeria? Come again?

Malaysia is doing well but this does not change the point about the influence of climate on the development of races and peoples over long periods of time. There are countries in the tropics that are doing well even with Africa. They mostly still need more time though. I cant see how this changes anything.

India is doing relatively well and is poised to be the 3rd largest economy by 2030....

So what?

Nigeria even buy fighter jets from Pakistan which is another troubled country within the tropics..
I repeat, Nigeria has no excuse to be in its present state....
Poor leadership quality coupled with ignorant followers is the bane of our problem....
Not heterogeneity or population or diverse language. ...

You are right when you say bad leadership and ignorant follower-ship are our problems, however you are wrong when you dismiss the relevance of the challenge presented by a complex diversified large population.

Mind you, when you point out that India is doing well, India is still very challenged in many respects up till today. That is natural. Also when you take a zero sum approach to your analysis you will obviously ignore even the positives in the Nigerian story. And there are several too.

Ol boy, Rome was not built in a day.

Wrong title. It should have read: "Python faces danger as it spots a man at its breakfast table"

codemaniacs:
Nigeria's problem is due to not allowing each ethnic nation take advantage of their resources...

Gbam!
Two thumbs up!

RoastedCorn:
you deviated from Age and now using size as excuse, you're just too dull, did you consider that inspite the population Nigeria has alot more resources than Rwanda?

Below is what the prime of India achieved in the past four years to tell you that a leader that wants to change a country would change it.... India is more than a Billion that's like times five of Nigeria's population

I have not deviated from age. It is one of many factors.
Complexity and history are always important factors - whether you like it or not.

India has its challenges as well, up till today.
If you think no progress has been made in Nigeria, then you are probably a teenager.

I dont think you have the capacity to have a conversation with me.

SIRTee15:
Stop giving excuse...
Singapore has a tropical climate just like most African countries...
Yet it's far developed than any sub Saharan country can dream of....
Middle East is as hot as hell....
But they have UAE, Qatar, Bahrain which are good examples of what happens to nation when human n natural resources are properly utilised by a visionary leader.....
It's even funny that the hotter northern Africa( at least during summer) is more developed than sub Sahara africa....
Then u mentioned heterogeneity....
What happens to restructuring or confederacy whereby homogenous groups within a nation are allowed to govern themselves at their own pace and formulate policies that best suits their aspiration....
Is that not what we have in quebec canada, Scotland UK, Catalonia n Basque Spain n even hong Kong, Macau China....
Must everybody be forced into a unitary govt that's obviously unproductive n too divisive when it's clear we are different....
Why not promote the structure of nations within a nation....
There's nothing wrong with africa or nigeria....
The problem is the people....
Their thinking is too backward n their mindset too retrogressive to birth any productive venture when it comes to collective interest....
They lack the principle of self preservation and wealth creation....
We are too selfish and individualistic....that's what is killing africa....
Not climate or heterogeneity....

My dear brother you spoke both good sense and absolute nonsense. Let me distill it for you. The part where you are talking absolute nonsense is the part where you compare Nigeria with places like Singapore, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE. I have already explained why this is nonsensical. In a nut shell you simply cannot compare the size and complexity of Nigeria with any of these places. All of these places are small countries - in fact miniscule tiny countries compared to Nigeria - and I mean that in terms of population and complexity. As I pointed out, Nigeria alone is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than the whole of Europe put together.

This is a factor you guys seem to just ignore but you should not. Do you know why? Because there is no way a nation can develop without first resolving its internal conflicts. Europe has had quality time to do so and believe me they bloodied themselves in wars for centuries. They have been through literal hell and have had time to come to a self conscious peace which permits development. It is impossible to speak of development in the absence of conflict resolution and Nigeria is as conflict prone as they come on account of her complexity. She is almost 300 nations crammed into one space.

Let me make it clear for you - in fact most European languages are simply different dialects of one root language - Latin. French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, English are all derivatives of Latin. So they have a deep linguistic tie and yet they needed centuries to wage many many wars and come to an understanding of self that would permit development here and there and gradually. Nigeria by contrast has languages that are completely distinct and separate from one another - ethnicities too many to count also. There is no realistic way that we would not have the sort of deep division and conflict which will stagger our development. Our political history is that of conflict resolution and be in no doubt that we are still in the process of this. Be in no doubt that it is a process that still has a long way to go - by my reckoning at least a century of resolution of internal conflicts will be required before we come out of the woods.

There is no magic anywhere, these things take time, you cant escape it. Please dont ever compare us to those simple states such as Qatar or the UAE again. Those are very poor comparisons.

Now the part where you made good sense is where you alluded to restructuring. Thank you very much for that. That is part of the conflict resolution that is necessary in our future. True federalism, or even confederacy, devolution of powers, etc. These are the steps that we need.

RoastedCorn:
Age and all those rubbish you mentioned don't mean a thing, Ethiopia was never colonized, where are they now? . . earlier this week the king of morrocco and macron french president commissioned the fastest rail in the continent done with just $2BN but that $2BN is the least amount of politicians steal....

To use age doesn't explain why Rwanda in spite her civil war in 1994 is where they are today......Rwanda's private schools have closed down due to the advanced state of their public schools developed my Paul kagame, 65% of their legislative house are women, they achieved gender equality real fast too . .... healthcare is very affordable cos he subsidized it, this is a country that has no "Major" resources like Nigeria....Rwanda is the cleanest city in Africa, if you drop anything anyhow, a citizen has the obligation to report you and you would be fined....he banned the use of nylons, Rwanda currently does not produce nor use nylons cos of land pollution..... in coming years, Rwanda would match Europe....

Nigeria on the other hand hand 1british pound equal to 2 Nigerian pound in 1973(13 years old) just and the beginning of the discovered of oil, with good policies and commitment to ards implementation that exchange rate could have been maintained but here we are today

Well first and foremost if you have read most of what I have posted you will understand that no one is saying that age is all there is to this discussion. There are many factors at play of which age and time are just one.

Secondly don't be an idiott by attempting to compare Rwanda to Nigeria. Rwanda is not as big, dense or complex as a single senatorial zone in just one of Nigeria's states. It is absurd to compare the potential for sanity there to that which is probable with a complex giant like Nigeria. The Governor of Lagos probably has a more demanding job than the president of ten Rwandas put together.

Nigga please.

Raalsalghul:
You keep spewing rubbish. A country's development and progress isn't about age. Wanna argue? Check out the age of countries like Singapore, South Korea who are roughly the same age as Nigeria.

This is frankly st.upid.

What you have done is just about the same thing as someone saying that if a part of say, France, secedes today and becomes a new nation, then it is a young country and also a developed country and that proves that age and time has nothing to do with development. This is just a faint example of what you are doing. That is a wholly nonsensical approach to have.

Mark you, development is not limited to physical infrastructure. Most development of any nation rests in the evolution of its mind. Thus even if you flatten the whole of Germany today with nuclear bombs and they have to start building their physical structures from scratch, this does not mean that they are in anyway on the same level as an African nation. Their mental development which is 95 per cent of the development of a nation is at a stage that will ensure that in a few decades they are back to full first world development status again. The same thing applies to places like Japan and South Korea. Some people ignorantly state that Japan was devastated after the second world war and had to start from scratch and because of this they compare Japan to us. This is very silly.

When did such a thought as Nigeria even come into existence and how long has the mental idea of Nigeria asserted itself in the world and what time has that idea had to firm itself up and resolve its internal conflicts?

Japan by contrast is an ancient civilization which has been at the top of its game for thousands of years now. Its homogeneous history has the sort of deep roots that no nation invented by colonialism can have - in simple terms Japan has had quality time to come to self consciousness and self awareness in a way that it is foo.lish to expect of fifty year old African states which are the artificial products of colonial lines and which thus have a long way to go with respect to coming to terms with their national identity alone: not to speak of such powerful things as national consciousness and self awareness which propel a people forward.

I can go on and on to break it down further for you but please do not task me too much: rather, calm down and become a studious person and reflect on history. Do not let any one tell you that the history of the matter does not matter because that is one of our pitfalls as a people: we pay too little attention to history and as such we do not understand anything. The nations you worship take history very seriously and for good reason too. You must come to understand the historical context of a subject before you can intelligently discuss it.

Raalsalghul:
I'm expecting someone to come and say "Nigeria will be better". Yes I mean you deepsight.

Given time, its inevitable.

The problem is simply that some shallow fellows here cant adjust to the fact that that may not be in our lifetime.

Little do they know the many generations of people in those advanced countries they now hanker after, who have had to live and die in hopeless squalor to build those nations into what they are today.

Little do they know.

You'd better buckle up and brace yourself.

Adiwana:
I stopped responding when he talked about history of Britain and Nigeria bla bla bla.Thats why we dont progress because we attach so many things to the past.How we were this and that.So its because Britain has been older than Nigeria is what makes them have constant electricity.So 50yrs is not enough ro have at least constant light and a functioning 21st century society with the kind of resources at Nigerian's disposal.Dude should go check out when Dubai got their Independence and know where they are today

My dear, you are quite an ignorant person - I dont mean this as an insult - it is just the simple truth. Try to be more studied and scientific in your assessment of the development trajectory of nations.

By the way you seem to think I am making excuses for Nigeria - I am not. There is a lot we could do better and there are many things which are simply inexcusable about our state of affairs. A great many things. This does not however take away the fundamental truth about the sociological, economic, historical, climatic, commercial, political factors that situate a nations development trajectory.

For heaven's sake go to school.
The mere fact that you dismiss the age of Britain just shows how shallow your knowledge is. If you had a clue what they have been through you would shat ap at once.

Ugosample:
several homogenous countries in Africa and South East Asia are also shitholes

So it has nothing much to do with homogenity


It's the mind set of the people living in a space that determines how developed a place will be

even outside Africa, black majority areas are often $hitholes

It's the MIND......

Listen you would be being highly simplistic if you think it'd just one factor at play. There is rather a Mish mash of many complex factor's.

I have already cited historical and climatic factors. That generally deals with the overall state of retarded development of sub saharan nations. That's in comparison to nations in temperate zones.

However for each country there are other specific factors. The heterogeneous nature of Nigeria is relevant when you are looking at things in comparison to homogenous nations. For example it is relevant when understanding why Ghana is a saner clime than Nigeria. It is also relevant in comparison to small homogenous places like the UAE or Singapore.

There are indeed many homogenous African nations still with retarded development and other factors are at play such as the climatic factor I mentioned and the history of trade.

These matters are deep and complex. So let's not be simplistic. Someone up there said they don't give a hoot how old Britain is. That is terribly misguided.

You are right though about the fact that it all rests I'm the mind. The thing is, schooling a group mind is a task that takes real time.

Adiwana:
Who gives a fvck how many years Britain is?Who cares JUST how many years Nigeria is?The world today is not measured on how many years nations have existed but what is in front.What is it that Mother Africa doesnt have??Intellectuals,Human resources,name it.What has she achieved to show for all those things??

I am sorry I cannot have a proper conversation with a person who does not understand the relevance of history to this matter.

Please go and meet your mates.

tensazangetsu20:
How old is Singapore?

Bad example. Singapore is a homogeneous society. It thus has not had to deal with the level of conflict that we have had to deal with.

Such major conflicts are powerful stumbling blocks to development and progress. I am not aware that Singapore has fought a Civil War for example. But even if they had, it's still not the same as the level of complexity cannot be compared at all.

We are about 300 different nations crammed into one space. Merely achieving coherence will of course be a challenge.

Nigeria alone is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than the whole of Europe put together and this factor has a bearing on attaining national coherence. A very serious bearing.

So there's your answer. Please compare apples with apples next time. Do not compare us with places like Singapore; Qatar; Bahrain or the UAE.

Adiwana:
What the hell are you talking about??Your argument has been on sentiment and perception not on facts.Tell me one developed black nation in the whole world..Just one.And please dont tell me South Africa cause we know the reason they are where they are today is because of white people that built that place and still running that place.Remove it and watch that country collapse.African Americans are just 13% of American population but commit over 51% of the crime in the country.Look at Nigeria as an example,we cannot even generate 7000mw in 2018.Cannot pay 30k/month and unemployment level is so damn high.50yrs+ being independent plus the whole resources we have and one of the most hardworking people in the face of the world we can get our shiit together.And you say what?? Stop being ridiculous and stop with the inferiority complex bullshit.Thats why we continue to deceive ourselves using prayers and "it go better" rubbish to keep ourselves down always blaming 1 thing or the other.The earlier you realise this shithole called Nigeria and black race is a backward race,the better

Well you've said it yourself: 50+ years only right?
May I ask you if you can tell me: how old is Great Britain?

Let's start from there.

Oh by the way calm down and stop the epileptic fit. You are speaking from pure ignorance but I will help you. OK?

Lucifer66:
Climatic factors?
We have the advantages there, We only suffer from flooding which can be easily PREVENTED.
I can't dream of way this nation can go forward, Without a good leader there's no hope and all the good potential leaders are getting killed.
Believe me when I say Nigeria will break into a civil war soon, Maybe if buhari wins (a huge protest and then into blood shed by angry youths)
If Atiku wins( The north will start killing again but 5x more rapid)
There is no way but to jump off this sinking shiom

The climatic factors I refer to are historical and not necessarily present. That's a huge subject.

Anyway, jump ship if you want to. Your life, your choice.
The only thing I can assure you of is that if you apply this same sort of losers mentality to your personal life, then you are doomed to fail no matter what ship you jump to.

Good luck.

egopersonified:
We keep on calling out our leaders, as we do so, let us also search ourselves. If the whole of Nigeria migrates to Italy and Italians migrate to Nigeria with the same leaders in place, would things remain the same? As much as our leaders are nothing to write home about, are we the citizens any better in our daily activities. Till we see that an injury to one is an injury to all, till we learn to have compassion and till we begin to see beyond our present into our future, even if Trump is Nigerian president, nothing will change.

Don't mind the silly OP. If the entire population swaps places after a while they will travel here and say exactly the same thing. They will be desperate to jump ship again without working.

Clowns.

Lucifer66:
What you just said didn't even answer my question.
There is NO successful black nation in the whole world, The giant of Africa is the capital of poverty.
The most developed nation South Africa has a one of highest cases of murder and rape in the world.
The oil we have is not being used smartly at all.
We have the most uranium but don't even use or process it.
Tell me how there's a way for this continent?
If we protest soldiers will shoot, If we shoot back government will claim it as an act of terrorism.

The absence of a developed black nation is a question highly influenced by climatic factors and thier interplay with the dynamics of trade and history. However things will pick up in the next century on account of the force of globalised infomation.

Please be specific with your question and perhaps I can answer it. If your question is however simply how we move forward, I will suggest you start by getting involved. And there are many levels at which you can be involved. Beyond just voting (since you don't believe in the available options) there is a lot you can contribute. Countries do not become developed magically. Humans do it. And you are human are you not?

Now tell me, can you not try to dream up an idea that will put your country on the map in one segment or the other?

Raalsalghul:
Leave those peeps to keep on dreaming. I've just given up on this country.

No mettle.
No fibre.

Coward.

Lucifer66:
Am not unemployed. Stop trying to provoke me, Why don't you issue out a way this nation can be saved?
By 2019 either buhari or Atiku will lead this failed nation and both of them are theives.

Your post sort of insinuated that.

And no, I am not trying to provoke you.

The views expressed by the OP are frankly that of a little boy who probably has little experience of life. First time out of the country and he is blown away. As someone has indicated he obviously has a great deal to learn.

He is also extremely ignorant of the development of nations and people's - and so are you.

It is true that we are in a tough place in Africa right now and especially so in Nigeria. It is however not true that this can never change. It is also not true that black people are mostly stupid as the OP said.

The truth is that the views expressed by the OP and others who think like him are shamefully lazy. The first thing that should occur to them when they admire the western world is that it took humans just like you and I blood and sweat for many centuries to achieve that. If you imagine that a mindset which craves it without sacrifice will ever be worthy of anything then you don't know anything about the school of life.

Both you and the OP may be disillusioned and that is understandable. But becoming self hating hopeless cowards is indefensible.

Lucifer66:
You know it is the too truth but you're to brainwashed to realize it.
I would gladly change my DNA for a life in a developed country with a job.
Hypocrite.

Ah. So you're unemployed(?)
Don't worry it's not the end of the world.
Get creative.