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lovingJehovah:
The sublime galaxy and the awe-inspiring wonders in the oceans and in the earth.

Please explain the sublime galaxy and the awe inspiring oceans to this child -

Thank you.

lovingJehovah:
You cannot win by being in denial of the marvels of creation.

Of course including such marvels as allow an already traumatized shoemaker who is deaf to have a building fall on him and cripple him further.

The sublime galaxy and the awe-inspiring wonders in the oceans and in the earth.

There is nothing sublime about it in the face of the misery and suffering of the observers.

Scientists know that they cannot get any closer to knowing the real truth about the source of the gravitational force and the bars that restrict the oceans from overflowing.

Neither can ants understand our conversation. So what/

Need I mention the secret behind the Bermuda triangle?

Probably a natural phenomenon or even coincidence. At all events assuming that it is a man eating circle, how does that prove your benevolent God?

Who can tell where the shooting stars come from?

Meteors and meteorites dear, please go to school.

Who else could have confirmed that the world was hanging on nothing?

An extra terrestrial could have.

Are we going to argue about the power that hangs the cloud in the sky without dissipating and make it rain down? The Bible alone could have given us the name of the first man, Adam.

This is sttupid my dear. It appears you do not even know the history of the collation of the bible.

You couldn't have come this beautiful in design by chance.

I don't believe it was by chance.

By the way, since you say "beautiful" please try visiting hospitals to see seriously malformed humans born that way from birth.

It takes someone with sublime ingenuity to make it happen. Someone who has no restriction in his creativity and ability to bring anything to life.

Agreed, but maniacal enough to contrive inconceivable misery and suffering.

LordAdam16:
Doesn't f*cking matter!

People also launder money through religious institutions (churches, mosques, et cetera), as well as many high-traffic businesses from laundromats to fortune 500 companies. From art to real estate. What's the f*cking point?

Still doesn't make the art worth any less than $400m.

-Lord

Okay. Point taken. That does nothing to address my previous. Also does nothing to help your point at all. I await, Lord-Yabbis. I await your revert, high Lord-Yabbis.

Something I wrote on this....

Origin

A stagnant nothingness of black
No time, no space, just dark
Mother of being is naught
The bastion of light this fought

Perfect, serene and tempered
Beauty unremembered
The bastion of light dismembered
Beauty darkly rendered

From such a state serene
Did commence our being
The force of light to hover
The unseen divine lover

Also some thoughts on this here. . .

https://www.nairaland.com/334136/doctor-angelicus-straws#4700843

Deo1986:
Slant? You would need a open mind to comprehend this truth, for milleniums men tried to replace the creator (mother earth) with a male God with the flimsy excuse that women are weak phisically and therefore inferior to men. They succeeded during the greek era in enthroning Zeus as the supreme God. If you take a look at older beliefs like the early egyptians, persian, cannanites and indians, you find that most of their deities were feminine.the romans too in trying to put together the fraud they called christianity made a mistake in adopting a powerful Goddess; Mother Mary. The creator of the universe is feminine. God is a woman the proofs are numerous, there are books i would recommend but not now.

This very much resonates with me. Only that I would say "feminine" rather than "a woman". This line of thought is very interesting.
Can you share with me your personal path to reaching this conclusion and what led you down that path.

A quick post script will be that perhaps the Mother of Light is what is feminine. That which birthed Light, and not Light itself. Light I sense to be of a more masculine vibration. Feminine depth resonates more with the infinite mysterious pre creation darkness which one may call God.

Deo1986:
I do not have a God, i have a Goddess.i reverence a powerful Goddess. The creator.

That's an extremely interesting take.

A long time ago in some sort of trance I sensed the first vibration of existence to be a female vibration. However that's an incommunicable personal experience which may be questionable. What gives you this slant?

Is there a specific mother goddess you refer to?

emmanuelpopson:
https://www.nairaland.com/3721445/black-africans-ruled-europe-711


go through this page..I think I saw it here...the picture of Jesus with Mary.. been viewed by the Popes...

thank me later

Nah, I cant't really buy that Alhaji Jesus was Negro. However the conventional image of him is quite certainly misbegotten. No way a Jewish fella looked like that. No way at all.

Aside from all that, as much as I adore Da Vinci who I consider the most brilliant man who ever lived, the truth is that this art work is mediocre and pedestrian - if one is to look at the artistic skill involved that is.

Any amateur artist could produce that. I have a collection of art works within an illustrated book in my collection which covers and discusses 1000 years of European Art - I know what I am saying. Even the Mona Lisa is nothing special at all in terms of artistic skill.

What has driven the hype about these two works is the name of Da Vinci, his profoundness, his tendency to encrypt, his artistic, scientific and engineering vision, his charisma and brilliance and the esoteric aspects of religious history he sought to bring to his works.

As for the artistry involved in it, its pedestrian. The chap down my street can do just as well or better.

lovingJehovah:
Can you tell me the core basis of your assertion?

Tell me the basis of yours.
Is there anything in this dark and miserable world which evinces the care and love of an omnipotent deity towards humanity? ? ? ? ?

Deo1986:
Theist.

So why did you say you have no God?

Deo1986:
You missed. I dont have a God!

Atheist?

Oh well.

Billyonaire:
Auctions of Arts are high-level money laundering schemes.

LordAdam16 - you should also avert your mind to this.

Gerrard59:
Respect Sir.

Individuals thinking they have a right to tell another individual how to spend his/her money.

Oh, just shat ap.

LordAdam16:
You are trash!

You think mudslinging=intelligence?

OH, Lord, Mr. Lord. I hope you know that you are the one who commenced with said mudslinging. More than that, your surmise and ripostes are riddled with untenable and unsustainable assumptions.

I hereby grant that you are an international yabbis expert and concede defeat in my pathetic attempt to match you in your area of expertise - Yabbis. However I would now like us to settle down and examine properly what you are saying, especially the assumptions contained therein which have no basis. So here goes.

Anyone who has $450m lying around isn't dumb.

This is the first assumption. You have no way of knowing this. Your reasoning seems to derive from two unspoken assumptions here: first that a person who has that much wealth could not be dumb and second that such a person necessarily has noble, high-minded or strategic economc reasons for doing so. My Lord, this is entirely an assumption. Surely you must know in the first place that your first unspoken assumption has no basis: there are a great many people who have access to unlimited wealth without any special talents or any remarkable intelligence about them whatsoever. Such people include Royalty, Inherited Fortune, Corrupt Politicians and Egregious Businessmen - as well as many underworld characters whose wealth springs from such things as illicit trade in drugs, people, arms and all manner of unsavory things. The list is endless and although I could cite much more to buttress this point, I am sure you would be reasonable enough to agree that there are many wealthy people out there who are in fact dumb. In this, it remains a truth that time and chance happeneth to all men: the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong - "Money miss road" is everywhere in this world. I would not say this if I am not personally acquainted with billionaires who are indeed intrinsically daft.

Your second assumption is that such a person must be purchasing such a work for a high minded reason. This is also an assumption. You have no idea whatsoever the reason for that purchase: you have no idea whether it is an ego trip and on this single point alone your entire argument must fail: for it rests on the assumption that the purchase is an investment. If you cannot prove that, however likely it may seem to you, then you also cannot insist as a matter of fact that the substance of your argument which rests on this assumption stands.

It could have been bought by a Russian Oligarch, Arab Royalty, or a Rotschild? Whoever it is, this isn't his/her first buy, and s/he DEFINITELY has an idea about the intrinsic value of high-end art.

This is another assumption.

And you want to tell me that the last privately held work of art by Leonardo da Vinci WILL not appreciate? Has there been any top-value work of art by da Vinci that hasn't appreciated consistently for the past 1500 years? If that isn't enough proof that it would go up in price, what is?

You seem to assume that it will appreciate forever. Beyond the half billion it has been purchased for, how much further do you expect it to appreciate? Ten billion? A hundred Billion? A trillion? A Zillion? All of that is not possible, and I use hyperbole for a reason nonetheless, we will return to this point form two other critical lenses later: the first shall be the changing value of appreciation through time and the second shall be the humanity of the matter.

Are you MAD?! Or you get off on appearing st*pid in public!

Neither condition (even if true) phases me: I am not given to being bothered as to other people's perception of me, thank you very much.

Buying that work of art is way better than keeping the monetary equivalent in the bank. It is older than America and has consistently risen in value. In 500 years time, it'd still be valuable, while the dollar may be history.

My Lord, you have no idea what the world will be like in five hundred years time. No Idea whatsoever. Nor can you have any idea what will be the drivers of commerce and the value system which would attach to such things at that time.

And like all high-valued buys, it does come with its bragging rights.

Now, you're coming around more closely to admitting the vanity involved in this sort of purchase.

But whatever may be the owner's primary reason for buying it, it isn't a waste and it isn't excessive.

No, my Lord, it is verily both a waste and it is excessive. Although I had intended to keep my epistle on death for a later time, perhaps I will start here. This discussion, you may not realize, goes to the root of the question as to what we do with our short time as human beings on earth. You come across as one who has not closely reflected on our mortality and this is part of the reason that I say that you lack the sensitivity to appreciate what I am trying to say. Sensitive human beings recognize mortality, the brevity of life and the vanity and vain-glory of material things. This is not to say that they are not given to enjoying of the material world and its pleasures, it simply means that they cannot and do not place such things at a premium: they do not prioritize those things: they recognize, for example that there is far greater artistic beauty in one single act of kindness to a needy stranger or an abandoned child, than there is in purchasing and analyzing the priciest works of art by the greatest artistic masters ever. This is a subtle and sensitive point which I do not expect you to grasp, given the gutter profanity of your world view, however please surprise me by showing that you grasp this point.

And if it is put up for sale in a few decades time as it likely would, for any reason whatsoever, the owner or his/her protege would make a hefty premium on it. Again, regardless of his/her esoteric reason for getting it in the first place.

One more time: this is an assumption: the work cannot appreciate indefinitely especially as it has crossed the Rubicon financially. Again you make an assumption on value systems remaining the same over time. In the fast moving and ever changing times in which we live, you cannot make this assumption. It is not only technology that is changing fast, world views are also evolving and a time may very well come when new age movements given to higher charitable thought would have overcome much more of the word than you expect. A time may come when such a purchase is looked upon derisively. You may not believe this: but in that you would belong with the sort of people who could never have conceived human flight, much less space travel.

Next, unlike buying socks that actually address a need, beers do not address a need. And people buy beers 98% of the time for pleasure. See how inherently st*pid you are. Making a comparison between a sock and beer?

And no, I wasn't saying why people haven't stopped. I simply said, why can't you think of running a campaign so we all don't take beer for only one weekend to address the yearly needs of IDPs. ONE WEEKEND. Not stop completely. ONLY ONE WEEKEND that wouldn't kill anyone (well, probably except addicts). Can you even f*cking comprehend, you bl**ping ret*rd!

I take serious objection to this and offense at it on behalf of all alcohol loving people. I resent this statement and will not dignify it for we know and insist - indeed we assert with sacred privilege - that Alcohol is a cardinal need of humanity. I will not dignify this example further.

And then you use Bill Gates as a model of sensitivity? Why? Because he's pledged to give most of his wealth to charity when he passes on? He effing bought the properties of five of his neighbors for $28m mainly so his daughter could train for her pro horse riding. Are you going to tell me too that all the Olympic equestrian gold medalists needed $28m worth of real estate to become good at what they did?

Sincerely I am not aware of all Bill Gates transactions but the point still stands if you choose to understand it. There remain sensitive people all over the world of fabulous wealth who live very humbly and would simply not do this.

All you f*ckfaces thinking anyone owes you sh*t because you are unfortunate need to get a reality check.

I do not believe anyone owes me anything. I speak in sensitive terms for the world.

The guy who got the painting probably has business interests spanning several countries employing tens of thousands of people. With indirect impact on hundreds of thousands more. Those are people above the poverty line because s/he is adept at running a business that didn't become one of the 90% of businesses that fail within 5 years.

I am very glad you used the word "probably" here. And this is to underscore the point that you have no idea if this is the case at all. No idea whatsoever. Therefore you cannot build an entire argument justifying the purchase on what you have no idea of, okay?

Yet all of that is lost on you because s/he paid $400m for a painting THAT'S WORTH EVERY CENT. Pray tell, $1 trillion+ of illicit outflows has left Africa in the last 60 years. None of the cretinous f*cktards who did the pillaging were hounded. They all get cozy once in a year in Addis Ababba blowing steam off and laughing at your collective stupidity and you self-righteous pr*ck haven't started a campaign to hound any of them. No sub-Saharan spring or fall or summer or winter for that matter. And you think it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the same people that you imbec*les rape, siphon from and pay blind eye to.

How many times have aid for IDPs been siphoned and diverted? How many protests have happened to demonstrate outcry? Or you think it's just sitting behind the keyboard like a mor*nic couch potato with a myopic sense of what others should do without doing anything noteworthy yourself. Self-entitled goo-faced sh*thead arm-chair moralist!

BAST*RD!

I cant see the relevance of any of this, given that you do not know me or what I do or whether or not I have devoted energies to any campaigns of the sort you referred to.

Continue replying me, see how far you can go displaying your flagrant id*ocy!

-Lord

In closing, I did say above that I wish to address two things which seem to be eluding you. I mentioned changing values and I mentioned the humanity of the matter.

With respect to changing values let me tell you something. Do not persist with your assumption that that which is valuable today will always be valuable in the future. History is replete with paradigm shifts and value shifts of the sort that render such a presumption untenable. You were so bold as to declare how valuable the work will remain in five hundred years time. You presume too much my son. You do not even know tomorrow.

The second point is the sheer humanity of the matter. Now before I proceed bear in mind that I have shown you that all you have said about the buyer possibly being a job-creating magnate are all assumptions. You have no way of knowing that. You also have no way of knowing that it was bought as an investment at all. That is an assumption. Further, you have no way of knowing just how well it would do as an investment even if that were the case - which you cannot be sure of.

Now in terms of humanity, what I mean is this. You seem to have some capitalist cold in your heart which leads you to disdain the worth of prioritizing the suffering of humanity as a whole over such things. This is why I said to you that I can hardly argue with you on this point because one who is cold in that regard and does not possess the sensitivity I speak of can never understand the point sought to be made. You would deride it as as emotional point, but please I would beg to be emotional on such a score. This is because the world is in such great distress and the suffering of people just like you and me is so great in many places - from hunger, disease and various unmentionable things - that the work of charity and goodwill is never complete, and there is no question that there is always more to be done.

Sensitive souls would recognize the greater work of art inherent in diverting such funds to the next hungry or abandoned child, than could ever exist in hanging up a mediocre work of art in a room for the next 50 years waiting for it to appreciate, enjoying aristocratic bragging rights, and such other trifles while everyday - a work of art that is irreplaceable can be saved: the work of art which is the tear in the eye of that next starving child.

End of.

PS - And yes, as much as I love Da Vinci - that is a mediocre work of art. It is his name and the history that push the value.

Mariangeles:
Give your life to Him by confessing Him as your Lord and Saviour ...

How does one give one's life.

And how does he save?

Mariangeles:
Jesus said "...come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and I'll give you rest" Matthew 11:28
JUST LET GO!

Might I ask what it entails to "come unto Jesus?"

cyrilamx:
But michelangelo's sistine chapel's painting...the last judgement is way too valuable than it...go read about him...

Well, true. Imagine the Catholic Church wanted to sell that off?
Chai.

One trillion Dollars or more.

Paulpaulpaul:
See you, most of his work are rumoured to have secret codes and maps. Do you think people are that stupid? Ordinarily art is life

Please don't assume that just because its bought for half a billion dollars, there is some special secret that the buyer is after. The buyer could just as easily be a filthy rich Saudi Prince or some other corrupt billionaire anywhere in the world who is stacking up on his ego and nothing else.

Sometime ago right here in Nigeria Theophilus Danjuma fessed up to selling an Oil Block for One Billion Dollars and not knowing what to do with the money. He then used half of it to set up a Charity.

Believe me you'd be surprised that someone could buy that thing just for the heck of it and to impress peeps around him.

Bakrabas:
Some just like worshiping the death man on the cross shaaa

This one is just art dealers hoaxing up the value of a work. They are experts at doing that. Much of its history might even be made up.

grandstar:
In 10years time, the painting will be worth at least $1b.

Who in J.P. Morgan Chase have you been consulting with.
Can you tell me by what exact science you have reached this conclusion?

CloudResident:
You garrit Bro. Check it out -Mona Lisa,

Please share with us the secret of the Mona Lisa.
Thank you.

{PS: It will not be helpful to state that you do not know the secret, but still insist that there is a secret}
Thank you again.

jojothaiv:
Something Shallow Come From Deep Sight..


Walks Aways Quietly!!!

I am sure you have not carefully contemplated your mortal existence in this dark world carefully.

I give you ten years. Come back when you have grown up a bit.

Benbobola:
Da Vinci never made an art without some secrets embedded within it. He remains the the greatest Cryptologist the world has ever know. Why do you think the person who bought it is anonymous... There is more to that painting than half a billion dollars. There are still secrets to be uncovered in this world like Queen Sheba's wealth, King Solomon's gold and so many others. The quest continue for a lot of adventurers out there. I believe that money is small compared to what Mr Anonymous will gain from it.

Look, Leo Da Vinci is one of my favorite men of all time, and I agree with the fact that he was into encrypting codes and secrets and suggestions. However did it miss you that this work has been hanging around for quite a while and was even purchased at some stage in its career for $60? Do you know that there is an entire industry built around stories woven around art works? Do you know what extents art dealers would go to to hoax up the value of a work? Would it surprise you if that work is a very well kept fake with a very well kept story woven around its history and transportation? ? ? ?

Now to codes and encryptions and all that. What sort of codes and encyrptions do you think Leo knew of that would be so valuable in the modern world? Knights Templar? Royal Blood of Jesus? Holy Grail? Ark of the Covenant? The Tablets from Mount Sinai? Solomon's Sceptre? Christ's D.ick? Come on.

LordAdam16:
Everyone who has ever had an issue with my nick has proven to be intimidated by the coherence of my thought process.

You seem to think the sun rises from your backside. This self adulatory writing of yours only betrays a shallow mind. No profound thinker goes about with such a smirk on his face.

And the proof is that while I actually explain why I think you were wrong, you used four paragraphs to say nothing about the point I raised but your opinion of me.

Nope, I pointed out that it would require a certain sensitivity to reality to appreciate the point. It is obvious that you lack that sensitivity.

Now, if you could catch a breath and put your thinking cap on, could you explain why it is immoral to spend half a billion on a noteworthy investment that would CERTAINLY beat inflation unlike many other investments

There is absolutely no guarantee that the purchase would be a profitable investment my friend. That is an assumption. Indeed you have assumed already, as you are wont to do, that the purchase is an investment at all. By what exact science do you conclude that it has not been purchased by a a reclusive eccentric collector for some other esoteric reason?

and it isn't immoral that people could choose to go for two days without drinking beer to feed helpless people for a year but wouldn't?

I don't know why you imagine I am obligated to address any fancy that your warped mind might choose to throw up. Anyone can imagine any cut back that could help others. Why don't we all stop buying socks for one week. That should save a fortune for the needy, no?

I hope you can see how asinine and st.upid your example is. It is meaningless to simply point out any random activity and ask why people have not stopped it in order to save for charity. That betrays a stunning lack of appreciation of many factors of the dynamics of every day existence. It is altogether different when one sees a person decide to purchase a pair of shoes for example for a million dollars. It is not out of place to consider such a singular act excessive and thoughtless. If you had as much sensitivity as Bill Gates does, you would understand that. There are many fabulously wealthy people who are sensitive enough to see something wrong with such acts in a deprived world such as ours. However as I noted before - and I carefully note again - the world is full of insensitive folk who understand nothing, so I am not surprised. It is only natural that one calling himself "Lord" will have the sort of gutter class opinion you have here.

Oh and this is the definition of moralist:



You come on a public forum to bash a high-value sale of art on the basis of "morality" and you think that definition is not spot-on about you?

-Lord

Oh shat ap, Idiat..

Mariangeles:
In spite of everything... GOD loves you and GOD is willing to accept you and give you the inner peace you so crave.
GOD is able to turn things around for you,

Let us be clear. God is not involved or interested.

beauty for ashes,

Yes God is certainly in the business of turning living bodies into rotten corpses as he will do to yours too in the very near future inescapably.

You body will very soon be eaten by maggots, you cannot escape this. Drum it into your head. It is the fate of all your loved ones and yourself. Very soon for that matter.

Joy of your spirit, soul and body.

Oh, such as the building of joy he just heaped on that deaf boy abi?

See below...

NgeneUkwenu:
https://www.thecable.ng/tinubu-jonathan-administration-won-gold-medal-corruption

Look who's talking!

Mariangeles:
The lewdness... and don't call me "dear"

Will you sharrap!

God is indeed involved in continuous sadistic cosmic masturbation with the misery of humans as its chief aphrodisiac. Perverted deity.

Deo1986:
which of the God are you mocking?

Yours.

NwaAmaikpe:



Why didn't he hear it falling?

Because it delighted God to enjoy his daily prank like that.

Angelanest:
According to reports, a one-storey building located at Owumi Road, directly Opposite Concord Supermarket in Sapele area of Delta state yesterday fell on top a deaf boy. The deaf boy is said to have a shoemaking workshop at the bottom of the affected building.

According to an eyewitness, trouble was said to have started when the rain accompanied by fears wind began yesterday. The deaf was attending to a customer when the upstairs began to vibrate, the customer was fast enough to run out, but the deaf was trapped and covered by blocks that fell from a part of the building, it took the joint effort of passersby and neighbors who helped to removed the blocks from him, but before then he had already sustained a wide injury on his four head, due to the impact of the blocks and dislocation on his waste to leg region.

He was immediately rushed to a Hospital.

Source; https://www.nationalhelm.co/2017/11/deaf-boy-injured-one-storey-building-fell-delta-state-photos.html

Hahaha haha haha ha! God and his pitiless pranks again!

LordAdam16:
Socialists and moralists irk me.

Everyone must not be a f*cking Mormon. It is not excessive and there is absolutely nothing immoral about it. Your definition of excess is someone else's definition of not enough. If the entire country decided not to consume beer this weekend, and instead donate the money to the IDPs, we'd feed them comfortably for 1 year+.

But you wouldn't campaign for that. Instead you're hurtful that someone who is wealthy is looking for an alternate way to preserve his wealth. That my good friend is immoral.

-Lord

I am neither a socialist or moralist and half literate people who make assumptions from nothing and extrapolate universes from grains of sand certainly irk me very much. I must add that people narcissistic enough to address themselves as "lord" are a vacant and vacuous drum altogether not worth the sweat from the balls of an orangutan.

I am a cheerful hedonist myself, little would you know, but purchasing a painting for that sum is indeed a thoughtless excess. If it does not strike you at once as being so, no matter: for there are after all billions of thoughtless dunderheads such as yourself in the world. The acute but simple sensitivity to reality that could elicit such a cognition is simply lacking in you and there is nothing I can do to bestir a sensitivity which does not exist.

Of course not much better is to be expected from an Ill educated blue collar half wit addressing himself as "Lord".

Now go right back to the lavatory where your day job as a cleaner is and concentrate harder.

jayriginal:
Hey Bro, how have you been?

Jay my man! Long time. I am cool how you dey.
What's cracking