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Continue wasting precious energy rationalizing and analyzing ancient worthless fables.

God does not have any bias for or against women because God has no interest in the human race at all.

stasius:
I Won't be surprised to learn tomorrow that this work is filled with secret codes.

Forget the face value.

Secret codes that can't be seen from a picture of it? Well.

For all you know the damn thing might just be a well kept fake with a well kept movement history.

Mologi:
The guy above me woke up from the wrong side of the bed.



Guy!!if you no get money, hide your face!!!

You are very wrong. That is a ridiculous and even immoral application of money.

We well understand that its the name of the artist and history behind the work that pushes its value (because other than that any roadside artist can replicate the work)... we also understand that it could be an investment.

None of these facts take away the immoral absurdity of the excess involved, given the amount of desperate need in the world.

Jesse01:
God did not fail u my friend u fail ur self

No problem with this statement except that if he were thanking God for helping him succeed, you would not say - "God did not help you, you helped your self"

Can you see your two faced hypocrisy?

Shame on all the ethnic crusaders on this thread. A beautiful thread is opened with a wonderful historical photograph of a key centre in the beautiful and historically rich city of Lagos, the melting pot of Nigeria and our spiritual and economic capital - and all I see is "Yoruba this, Igbo that".

Shame, shame, shame on all of you.

Every single one of you who has reduced this thread to such is a cursed and unexposed illiterate worth no more than the sweat from the balls of an Orangutan. Shame on you.

shukuokukobambi:
Has it become criminal to hope? Its costing me nothing to hope so let me hope. Anybody who used to travel on Benin-Ore or Patani-Warri expressways between 1996 -2004 will be forgiven to believe those roads will never ever be repaired but one day, that east west road contract was signed and work commenced and today, you can organize F1 events on them.

So allow me to wish and dream bro. It cost me nothing

Hope is free my brother no worries with that. My problem with your statement rests in the inherent assumption that the needful will be done because Fash-ole and I-sin-baje are in power at the centre. Both these men are former Lagos executives and at almost three years at the centre they have not attended to this crucial road. I hope you know that time is gone because 2019 hustling has started already and even if the contract is awarded today nothing substantial can be done within the tenure of this adminstration any more. In short its too little eye service too late.

Fashola is the same man who boasted that any serious government should resolve power in six months. What makes you have so much confidence in this obvious charlatan?

shukuokukobambi:
Finally this important road is getting the attention it deserves. With Fashola in charge of works and Osinbajo presiding over it, it's sure this time around

sharpsecret, oya coman cry here again

After two years in power? How naive. The Apapa Oshodi Expressway is the truest evidence that there has never been a serious Federal Government in Nigeria. Not one since 1999.

It befuddles the mind that such a strategic national corridor, indeed the foremost conduit of trade into and out of the country can be left to decay and rot to that extent. It shows you how deep we have sunk into the recesses of failure and thoughtlessness.

You are really naive to think anything will come of the VPs aerial tourism there. He's just having fun. He wont do shhit.

I think its apt I share here an experience I had several years ago which I posted on this forum. . .

.......

Yesterday I had a truly amazing experience in Church in a Lagos suburb.

What, you might wonder, is your ol' chap doing in Church on a sunday, given his antecedents? Well I cannot really comment on that now: save to very shamelessly note that given the pure gentleman that I am, it is against my upbringing to decline an invitation from a comely damsel, if she be comely enough, and wear high-heels of a certain height.

Now, I will not name the Church. I think there is no reason to name it: suffice to say that it is a rather new ministry with a very large building in a Lagos Suburb.

Before I go any further i think it is important for me to state very explicitly: I have of recent tendered an unreserved apology to such Christians on this forum as may have felt offended by my posts regarding certain Christian doctrines: I plead that no one mistakes this as a diatribe against Christianity of any sort: this is strictly and specifically about the antics of the Pastors at the Church that i visited: and I am certain, as we all are - that not all Pastors could be this way.

Now here was a truly terrible beast of a man: and he had a very clear mission about him - to which end he waged a sure war on the pulpit - a very frightening and dire one indeed.

From the moment he stepped up to the pulpit and commenced I just could not take my eyes off the man. He was absolutely riveting.

The Message

This was a man who knew his mission. O, you'd better believe that - he was not in any way schizophrenic: no split personality at all: he had ONE resolute and clear personality, one resolute and clear mission - to which he devoted his fervent and ultra-passionate energies on the pulpit.

Our man started off with the definition of who a true son is. Not one to be accused of tardiness of any form; he commenced by first making clear who the father was: he himself, given the anointing of God for that special role, was the father of all the members of the congregation - and they were all his children.

Having set the tone, our man plunged headlong into the essentials of "being a true son" to him.

True sons, he boomed in a loud imperious tone, must vigorously ensure that they bring their money to their father - himself. For which true son, he argued, would see his father neglected?

At this point, before proceeding the grand pastor gave a brief lecture on the awe with which he should be esteemed by the congregation. He stated explicitly that any member of the church who criticizes him is "B.A.S.T.A.R.D" and not a true son.

He went further to state that any member of the church who was in any place where he, the head pastor, was being criticized, owes a duty to slap the critic. This, he stated, is not un-christrian violence because Jesus after all, used whips on the stubborn. Our man insisted that it is only right and proper, that any member of the congregation who hears a person criticizing the pastor, should react by slapping such a person. He promised that the church will do everything to protect such a person. He defended this asking - which one of you will stand back if your biological father is insulted? IF you would not, then should you not also fight for me, your spiritual father? Only B.A.S.T.A.R.D.S would refuse to slap his critics, he said. He went further to state that no one should engage the thought as to whether or not the critic was right: that the slap should be delivered first and that the church will resolve any consequences of such slapping.

Now all of this was delivered at a frighteningly harsh pace: our man was literally screaming his head off: he roved frantically about the stage staring down people and demanding if they were true sons, and what they would so for him, their father.

The Core Message

Now the treatise on sonship was but brief: for our man spent the whole of his ensuing lecture of some three hours stressing vehemently that every member of the church must continuously bring their money to him, in order to advance the church and the work of God. I kid you not, this man was panting, and roaming the stage and shouting "BRING IT TO ME, BRING IT TO ME, I WANT YOUR MONEY, BRING IT TO ME! ! !"

I was dumbfounded.

He went on and on. He simply would not let up. He screeched at the congregation, repeatedly calling them, "stingy, wicked and decitful" and constantly shouting - "B.A.S.TARDS! THE B.A.S.TARDS HERE DON'T WANT TO BRING THEIR MONEY! BRING YOUR MONEY TO ME! ! !"

This shouting and terrorizing the audience went on and on and on - and the fellow had absolutely no gospel teaching throughout the three hour sermon save to continue to shout and impress on the people that those who refused to bring their money to him were B.A.S.TARDS.

The church building project, he emphasized throughout, must take precedence over all individual needs. Such was the importance of the project.

He then urged the "true sons" to name go and set up new churches everywhere across the country, but that such churches must remain branches of his church. He emphasized that St. Paul did not even see many congregations, and yet was their "master." He was very particular that any such person who started a new church and gave it a new name and did not place the new church under his authourity is " A B.A.S.TARD" and "damn wicked to be punished."


The Offering

At the end of his three hour diatribe, i was galled to note his words. He said, verbatim - "Before I go, let me collect my offering."

The ushers then began to collect tithes and offering, while be boomed down at the people saying that those who did not give are THEIVES, are stealing from God. He shouted - it is not your money! You have no right to keep it! Bastards! Thieves! BRING IT TO ME!"

"Why are you looking at me like that?"

Now i should note that the entire sermon was punctuated by something very peculiar. At various points he seemed uncomfortable at the way his message of abuse and enrichment was being received. Thus at several points during the sermon he would run down the steps and start shouting "WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT? ? ? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT? ? ? YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I AM SAYING, ABI? ? ? STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT! ! !"

It was simply obvious that many people were befuddled as to his violent, insulting and demanding message and were staring at him in an odd fashion. This made him angry and uncomfortable . "WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT? ? ? STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT! ! !"

At some point he confided in the audience that his rent in the united states was about to expire and he had to find the money within the next one month.

After he descended the pulpit, a succession of three pastors followed, each demanding more money for the church building project, the church television launch, and others. The tone was very clear and strict: and small amounts were explicitly discouraged.

I was amazed that the pastors all spent the entire day demanding money and preached not a single word of the gospel.

After the service had ended, as the congregation dispersed, he went back to the pulpit and began to say - "Any personal gifts for me. . .i will accept personal gifts. . ."

Amazingly quite a number of people approached him with envelopes.

More than ever before I was taken aback by the entire service.

The reason I was so taken aback was that I have always presumed that many of these guys actually believe in their ministry as the work of God. When I saw what happened in that Church, I began to understand more clearly that some persons have perfected and mastered the art of manipulating forcefully mass psychology. And they could be in no doubt or illusion, regarding their purposes.


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DontForceUnity:
You are actually an economic illiterate who can't mention 2 disadvantages of Morocco being admitted.

I did already. You simply can read. Not my problem.

DontForceUnity:
Be precise on how they are our competitors


list them out

I dont have the energy to spoon feed you. Use your head.

Ncsamuel:
But you re free to bleep people's wives abi unlike others? By the way am single. Why dont you go to the redlight district around you?

You miss the point dont you. No wahala.

Ncsamuel:
oga the reasons why ECOWAS was formed was foe every member to benefit AT THE SAME TIME. The reason ECOWAS isnt improving is because ONLY ONE COUNTRY IS BENEFITTING THE MOST FROM IT. And whats the benefit? NIGERIANS ARE FREE TO COLONIZE ALL THE COUNTRIES BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND!

No problem, when can I have a go at your wife?

Ncsamuel:
Nigeria 'owning' ECOWAS is the reason Ecowas has never achieved anything other than ''ECOMONG soldiers''. We have to have diff super powers for french speaking, and english speaking smaller countries to maki it work!

You are free to invite another man into your bedroom to sample your wife in the spirit of competition. Try that first and in a few months you will understand my argument.

Ncsamuel:
MORROCO cannot displace NIGERIA in any way unless we let them to. Morroco is the key to accessing the mediterranen sea due to its location. The distance between the morrocan border and spain's is barely about 20km. Infact MORROCO HAS NO ENEMY COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD(besides Israel) everybody wants to be in their good books. They are already key leaders in north africa besides EGYPT, even if they leave north africa, nothing will change their status. They just want to expand their market, and able to stake a claim on their lost territory, SARAWI REPULIC!

It would be foolhardy of us to allow a competitor like Morocco into our personal sphere of Influence. Right now Nigeria owns Ecowas. It would be bad strategy to bring in another heavy weight.

EazyMoh:
What are the benefits of being the Uncle Sam as financier of ECOWAS?
While we know with great responsibility we shall wield great power, but we aren't benefiting anything from this useless ECOWAS, instead neighboring countries are using our large market to money off us.
We shall really rethink this ECOWAS stuff. If we are to continue funding it and providing market for them (mostly imported and repackaged products) the least we shall benefit is for ECoWAs to adopt Naira as it's official currency.

There are many benefits. Ecowas is Nigeria's main foreign sandbox in which she plays with both money and power. You would be aware of the huge benefits to Nigeria is you visit other Ecowas capitals. Nigerian Banks and corporations have flooded all their markets and its a huge plus for us.

It would be foolhardy to allow a competitor like Morocco into our personal sphere of influence.

Bullhari007:
please they should allow Morocco to join west Africa... Rabat or Casablanca will be my next destination, from there you know the rest of the story

Watch and see they will probably seek the kind of ojoro one-leg-in-one-leg-out membership that will deny entry to Ecowas Citizens. They will want us "monkeys" to still require a visa. The sort of ojoro membership that the UK had with the EU in terms of not joining the Euro.

Nigeria should learn to think strategically. Morocco can displace Nigeria as the most important member of Ecowas, or at least it can rival Nigeria within the block in terms of influence. For that reason alone, Nigeria ought to make every open and surreptitious effort to deny membership to Morocco.

Besides I really hope that Morocco and its Mediterranean neighbor Spain will not attempt to have some sort of privileged membership of Ecowas whereby one will still require a visa to go to Morocco.

mfm04622:
If you don't understand, you ask question.

What is the use of contingency funds? Contingency funds is to take care of things unplanned for things that happens. For example, flood washing away a bridge or road, things like that. Do you know you can't spend money not appropriated? So without contingency funds, you have to approach the Senate to appropriate, then look for money to fund the appropriation. Which may take gods know how long, you may not have funds to even take care of it.

For the Niger bridge, it is a multi year project. Are you sure if you appropriate more money to it, you will spend everything? Do you remember the time ministries do all they can to spend (waste and steal) money by year end to ensure they finish their allocation? is that what you want to happen? Haba!!! When did 10 billion Naira become paltry again? Haba!!

Miscellaneous is not the same thing as contingency and besides that there would be a sum allocated for repairs etc.

mu2sa2:
There is no where the constitution says nigeria is a secular state, whatever that means. The constitution only says the country shall not adopt a state religion. Don't forget that the same constitution has "so help me God" embedded in the oaths of office in the 7th schedule.

Wait a minute. If the country is not to adopt state religions what business does the country have joining religious associations at a corporate level.

By the way do you support state sponsorship of pilgrimages?

What about traditionalists. Do they have a right to request that the country also joins international traditional religion associations.

Please answer logically and let's not be absurd.

mu2sa2:
Are these guys confused or being plainly mischievous? Muslims constitute roughly half of Nigeria's population and membership of Islamic organizations is to cater for their interests and indeed the interest of rational people in the country even if they r non- Muslims. By the way, in what ways are Christians negatively affected by nigeria's membership of Islamic organizations? Hypocrisy is a terrible condition - these so-called religious leaders set out deliberately to deceive their gullible followers as usual. The hypocrites
close their eyes to the fact that Ugandan, Benin republics and some other countries with majority Christian population are members of IOC reaping the benefits.

The Constitution of Nigeria defines Nigeria as a secular state. Therefore, Nigerian Governments ideally should have no activity in or membership of religious associations. Religion is a private and social matter, not a governmental or political matter. People like you probably support the government sponsorship of Christian and Muslim pilgrimages. This is very wrong. Government should have nothing to do with financing pilgrimages. Neither should the nation as a corporate entity enter into any religious association or organization.

Simple.

Geist:
Yeah right, that your last straw. Isn't it? Curse, curse, curse away when you have no reasoable thing to say. Still proves my point, you aren't different from the religious fanatics screaming Jehovah up and down.

Heaven help me with this gentleman, why so uptight and sensitive? You cant recognize playful banter if it hit you in the face. Lighten up!

Okay you said its not r.ape as there was consent. No wahala. I concede. I say sorry, wetin still dey scratch you? It is now simply consensual s.ex abi? Holy spirit engaging in consensual s.ex with another man wife abi?

Look, I know your stress but dont take it out on me. I am not the one who invented these fantastic tales am i?

Geist:
Many of you think yourselves too different from the religious fanatics you criticize but you really aren't. Simple, oh I got that wrong. You're on about how you think the story is a myth. What's the relevance of that in this discussion

Ok. Mary consented so its not r.ape. I got that wrong. Happy now?

Perhaps its then regular consensual fornication between the Holy Ghost and her as they were not married, Abi.

Olodo.

Geist:
Lol, is this the same way you would argue that a soldier who just answered Yes Sir to the instructions of his superiors minutes before getting killed in a warfare was actually forced and coerced to obey instructions which eventually killed him?

Go and read the passage and tell me if Mary had a choice.

An Omnipotent power spoke a decree to her. That power did not negotiate with her or seek her permission.

At all events remember I am not seriously concerned with this topic. I regard it as a myth. Just fooling around in this thread bro. Bored.

Geist:
Is that your definition of rape? The Bible clearly said an Angel of the Lord appeared to Mary to inform her and her reply if I remember correctly was "Let it be done to me according to his(God) will". Not sure how exactly it then qualifies as rape. Please explain

If you read the passage carefully you will note that Mary was not given a choice. It was a command and she answered as a servant.

The same way a servant would answer her master who commands her to have s.ex. Compliance is instant and compulsory and not a matter of choice.

The words of the Angel did not request permission. They laid down a decree of what was going to happen, no questions asked.

Read Luke 1 again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1

Now having said that I am actually speaking light heartedly so don't take me too seriously. I personally regard the story as a myth. There are many such virgin birth myths in antiquity. The myth about Jesus is not the only one.

Geist:
How exactly did the narrative allege rape?

It is said that the Holy Spirit caused Mary to become pregnant.

Accordingly under christian teaching God r.aped Mary as he did not seek her consent.

alBHAGDADI:
On this thread, you claim you are not a Muslim, so you went ahead to attack Christianity.

Later on, I noticed you were approving of pro-islamic comments on this same thread.

If your religion. is making you act this way, then such a religion. is really dangerous for you.

Al taquiya is equivalent to lies.


John 8:44


You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Oh shattap you small minded ignoramus. Little man with a little brain.

PrecisionFx:
Hian u still explain what a cross bearer is.

Mary was living in Josephs house.

Mary became pregnant.

She gave birth.

Everyone in the community knew Joseph got her pregnant.

Jesus grew up n started saying he is God Almighty (imagine u going home to ur Villa dis X'mas n start saying that ur a God).

Jesus also started saying he's the kings of kings.

They warned him he refused.

His brothers(so called Israelites) later killed him.

The Israelites have always known who gave birth to Jesus n who impregnated mary.

That's why from the so called Bible times till today, Israelites are not Christians.

They don't believe in Jesus.

They are still waiting for their God to send them a Savior.

They all practice Judaism.

End of story.

The narrative does not say that Joseph did the deed. It alleges that God r.aped Mary.

I don't believe any part of the s.illy story by the way.

With regard to cross bearers I am referring to adherents of the Grail Message. I have a reason for asking that question. Some of them believe a Roman soldier was responsible.

PrecisionFx:
In don't know what a crossbearer..... Explain better.

You said Jesus was Italian.

This implies you believe Mary was impregnated by a Roman Soldier right?

dmgr:
well said...Happy Sunday to you

Sharapp. 21

websiteguru30:
Be heal in thy name of Jesus Christ.

Sharrap or I will imvoke an ancestral curse on you.

websiteguru30:
Jesus christ .

Sharrap 19.

LaughButton01:
Jesus said " I am the way, the truth and the life. no man cometh unto the father except through me" because during his time he was the way to the Jews. and Isreal wasn't the only place in existence then. I am sure there was life in Africa, and maybe zazoom(made the name up) was the way to the people in some settlement in Africa by that time. and other messengers in different part of the world. or there was no way no truth or no life before Jesus came? sure there was. according to the Quran about 1000 messengers have been sent to the world and to their people alone. so I won't be surprised if orunmila was truly a messenger. but to all mankind was sent a particular prophet which is Prophet Muhammad. take it or leave it. think my people. think. and leave hatred. cuz hate till tomorrow it doesn't change anything. after Jesus. a thousand messengers had came and gone.
ask yourself. before Jesus came to the world who was the way?
Jesus the prophet of the Jews.

Well said.