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zicopro: so [b]if her father slap her [/b]she will take her father to court. God will judge her. I promise every body here that the end of this case will be shame on the side of that girl.

The bolded In civilised society is called ASSAULT

Degis: Ignorance and Nairalanders are synonymous. Appearance in a Civil Case at the beginning is not compulsory unless the pleadings are to be taken immediately. If the Bishop's Lawyers are good like I expect them to be this case will be a walk in the park. It is obvious that the Plantiff will have to prove his case beyond reasonable doubt to get any compensation. If the Bishop is found guilty, He will not pay any amount near this 2Billion naira He is asking for.

You don't get it do you? The point is to find your lying Bishop guilty of abuse of human right. Paying N2b is another matter entirely, even if asked to pay just N20k he has been found guilty in Nigeria on a civil case. No as concerning proving the case beyond reasonable doubt........ there is a video recording so that settles it. I only wish it was a criminal case so that that man can be labbelled ex-convict like his dear friend, Ibori

ValNweze: i realy dont kn how narrow minded some pple cn be..why ws Jesus nt prosecuted for chasing pple selling stuff out of d church..even scattering their goods..teling them my fathers house is d house of prayer n nt d den of thieves. Mayb be u shuld tel me where d bible commanded one2 b a witch for christ..instead d bible says 'suffer not a witch to live". I hav2 sound a note of warning 2d ignorant minds tokin rubbish against d man of God. U better b warned or else Gods judgement wil come upon u.

Rumour has it that that was one of the major reasons he was nailed. Since Oledepo is his follower, I think he should be jailed

lekkie073: most religions do not cry aloud for people to join them e.g. Eckankar, hinduism, buddhism, judaism...etc because they believe that its only for those who see d light in it. But why is it that christianity and islam are always crying loud for people to come and join them? Are u agressively marketing the religion so that ur priests and imams can suck people's finances dry? Imagine, forbes top five richest pastors in the whole world are nigerians. Anything good does not need too much advert. Let people see the light in it willingly. Its like forcing an indian to eat amala or forcing a southerner to drink kunu...it makes no sense!

I guess this is why christianity and Islam have the most followers of all other religions. At the inception of both, they went on bloody campaign. Instilling fears of death on apostates and seeing these threats thru should the apostates refuse to budge. Human right laws hve made these practices criminal in our days so the marketing tool they use now Evangelism coated the threat of eternal damnation just in case u choose not to believe them.

Davidylan, did non of your parents teach you habits of courtesy? How come the only job they can be credited for is raising social [network] misfits like you. The first statement that cme out your paws was insultive. Dont you have any other way of rebbutting an argument aside from hurling insults. I bet you parents were misfits themselves because I believe like begets like.

@OP,
Denmark and NewZealand do not only have good economies, they ranked highest in the corruption perception index in 2011, making them the least corrupt nations in the world. If you ask you question and tie it to religion, christians, especially, will tend to dissociaate themselves from the concept of religion. Another way to ask is 'how come countries that do not take seriously the teachings of the bible, koran, book of mormon etc have better economies, life expectancy and standard of living while also ranking as the least corrupt nations in the world in Tranparency International's Corruption Perception Index. Contrary to your thinking that this thread could not be derailed, christian zealot will soon derail it to 'what is religion/christianity is not a religion' and somebody is already doing that.

[quote author=o.obim]Dis story might b false,but are people telling me that mad men dont talk cohelently or does not make sense sometimes?R u kidding me?Those who think CNN OR Chanels should have carried d news r not ok.They NEVER broadcast any news about God n his many miracles.[/quote]To you apprehending BH members in a church is not news worthy simply because it happened in a church and channels and CNN are antireligious? Please read your post again honestly tell us if you made an iota of sense

Winners Chapel, Ota, Ogun State Nigeria is the only place on the planet in our present information age where confessional statements from Mad men are taken seriously. Rotfl. I cant stop laughing.

logicboy:

This thread wont get many comments. The new tactic is to read and ignore comments on the truth of religion

Well maybe not, but trust trolls like davidylan, the defender of the christian myth, to come here and throw insult in his signature character

davidylan,
Like I said in my post you are a man of depraved upbringing hance whatever you say takes you closer to making people here recommend to a therapist. Your parents raised insanity personofied, I think they probably were insane themselves.

Meaning God has favourites amongst his own followers. Madalla bomb blast was successful but he ensured the one in winners was foiled? Hmmmmm!!! I wonder why this is not on Channels news since it happened some two weeks ago. You guys are either pathological liars or too gullible you will believe anything

99 Ways to Annoy an Atheist



1. Ask her why she is bitter against God.



2. Tell her that if there's no God, she might as well go out and kill people.



3. At every available opportunity refer to Atheism as "a religion".



4. Be utterly adamant that creation/intelligent design is a "science" while pointing out that evolution is "just a theory".



5. Prove that god exists by pointing out where in the bible it says so.



6. Use multiple versions of Pascal's Wager as though you thought them up yourself.



7. Explain that any biblical passages you agree with are "the word of god" while at the same time dismissing any you disagree with as being "metaphorical" or "out-of-context".



8. Refer to Atheists as illogical, faith-based and fundamentalist. Or any other term that has previously been used to accurately describe you.



9. Cite Kent Hovind as a legitimate source of information.



10. …and call him "Dr. Hovind."



11. Tell them that the universe is too complex to "just exist," and must have been created by a God who "just exists.



12. Use the fact that the Atheist can't fully explain to you how the universe was formed as evidence that god done it.



13. Don't worry about details such as the logistics involved with Noah's ark, how the human race came from two people without incest or why the bible contradicts itself so often.



14. Say you will pray for her; And make sure she knows you said it out of spite.



15. No matter how many times you are corrected and how much evidence you see to the contrary ... Always claim that America is a Christian nation founded by Christians on Christian principles.



16. Say that separation of church and state isn't in the Constitution; insist that the Constitution is based on the Ten Commandments.



17. Accuse them of persecuting you.



18. Point out that we all take things on faith.



19. Use the Second Law of Thermodynamics to disprove evolution.



20. Before starting an argument, say "You're an atheist? That means you're going to hell!"



21. After losing the argument say, "I pity you."



22. End a discussion with "Well, I know you're smarter than I am, but I know I'm right."



23. Repeat something over and over, as if that made it true.



24. Repeat something over and over, as if that made it true.



25. Repeat something over and over, as if that made it true.



26. Accuse them of willfully ignoring the "obvious truth."



27. Use bad math to back up your claims.



28. Tell her that she acknowledges Christ every time she uses "A.D." - which, of course, stands for "After Death."



29. Insist that the Bible is meant to be taken literally — all except that verse she just showed you.



30. Insist that Noah's Ark and the Shroud of Turin are real.



31. …and tell him about the special on FOX where you saw it.



32. Tell him you must study the Bible for many years to reject Christianity.



33. …and when he points out that you reject Islam despite never having studied the Qu'ran, say that you have faith, and faith is all you need.



34. Ask him how he knows God isn't real if he can't see the air.



35. Talk about how you used to be a miserable, sinning, drug-abusing, alcoholic, sex-addicted, spouse-beating criminal until you found God.



36. When shown that the Bible says that Pi=3, say that the Hebrews didn't know anything about science, so it's not their fault.



37. When shown the creation account in Genesis, insist that the Hebrews had all kinds of scientific savvy, being inspired by God.



38. Smile smugly and tell him that there are no atheists in foxholes.



39. Equivocate scientific faith with religious faith, and conclude that, metaphysically, you are both in the same boat.



40. Claim that archaeology is proof of the Bible's truth.



41. Misconstrue logical terms in order to prove that logic does not work.



42. Claim that logic is the atheist's god.



43. Use only circular reasoning.



44. Claim that the atheist only uses circular reasoning.



45. Claim that circular reasoning is legitimate due to circular reasoning being legitimate.



46. Use the phrase "Hate the sin, love the sinner" as a blanket response to the notion that Christianity is at fault for something.



47. State that Christianity has done a lot of good along with all the mass murder.



48. When he takes the time and trouble to explain where your analogy or interpretation is at fault, begin your response with a *sigh*, so he'll know how patient you're being.



49. Offer inane apologetics books in the hopes that he hasn't heard the arguments in them a thousand times already.



50. When asked if they would sacrifice their own child for God, respond with "God would never ask me to do that."



51. Carefully explain that Lot's daughters were never in danger of gang rape, and that Lot knew this all along.



52. Tell him that Christians aren't perfect — just forgiven.



53. Claim that Einstein was a Christian.



54. Claim that Darwin recanted evolution on his deathbed.



55. …and when he tells you about the Lady Hope myth, cry.



56. Vehemently claim that the theory of evolution is incompatible with theism, then turn around and blame the theory for promoting atheism.



57. Say that evolution is not proven — therefore the Bible is correct.



58. Tell him it's his responsibility to prove that God doesn't exist.



59. Ask what he believes in, if not God.



60. Explain that Buddha's last words were "Jesus, forgive me."



61. …and tell him that you were "saved" when you heard that story.



62. …and when he explains that Buddha died 500 years before Jesus was born, give him a blank look.



63. Say that God can't reveal himself with any real proof, because that would remove the need for faith.



64. When something awful happens, tell him not to blame God — he doesn't interfere.



65. When something wonderful happens, tell him to credit God — he made it happen.



66. Explain that it doesn't matter whether or not he thinks he's sinned – all humans were imbued with original sin at the moment of their birth.



67. …then tell him that babies automatically go to heaven.



68. …and mentally retarded people.



69. …and those with Down's Syndrome.



70. Treat nothing he says as credible, because he is possessed by Satan.



71. Show that the Bible must be true because when you take the original Hebrew letters, spread them out and twist them around, you can spell words.



72. …and when he points out that that will work with literally any work in any alphabet, accuse him of closed-mindedness and blasphemy.



73. Spell it "athiest."



74. Spell it "evilution."



75. Tell him that Hitler was an atheist.



76. Tell him that he's playing right into Satan's hands, because Satan's greatest ploy is convincing people that God doesn't exist.



77. Claim that Jesus is the God based on the Old Testament, then turn around and say that the Old Testament has nothing to do with the New Covenant.



78. Use the word "presupposition" incorrectly, repeatedly.



79. Say that God believes in him, whether or not he believes in God.



80. Call the Branch Davidians a "cult," but insist that your particular faction is a "religion."



81. …and argue that a practical distinction actually exists.



82. Tell him that he can't use absolute logic because God is the only absolute.



83. Tell him the signs are there — he's just not looking.



84. Say that you know in your heart that belief in God is perfectly logical and rational.



85. Insist that homosexuality is a choice.



86. Insist that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian.



87. Tell his that it's not a religion — it's a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.



88. When asked what's wrong with evolution, tell them that it doesn't account for the origin of matter.



89. Tell him that fossils in the earth are the Devil's work.



90. Grossly misunderstand the word "theory."



91. Ask how she can possibly raise children in a godless environment.



92. When the subject of homosexuality comes up, say "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."



93. …and expect it to be taken as an intelligent remark.



94. Post something inflammatory about him, wait for him to respond, then go back and delete or edit your post so that it appears that the atheist is attacking you for no reason.

95. Point to something in nature that's really cool, and call it proof of God's existence.



96. Take advantage of a horrible national tragedy, caused in large part by religious fanaticism, by pushing your own religious fanaticism as the only thing that will save us all.



97. …and announce that the tragedy only happened because of those who ignore your religious fanaticism.



98. Insist on deathbed conversions.



99. When ending your conversation with the atheist, promise to read whatever book the atheist may have mentioned, knowing darned well that you yourself never made it through Leviticus.



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@All,
I think its high time we all started ignoring this foul mouthed or foul finngered davidylan or whatever he calls himself. This thread had nothing to do with the kind of arguments he brought up. He just jumped into the post and started insulting everyone. My problem is not with him but with the mods who should have banned this rooster brained mo.ron. He never brings up any meaningful or intellectually sound rebuttal, rather he goes arround hurling insults at people once you do not subscribe to his mythical religious convictions. This thread only request for people's experience at ceremonies which are always religious and in comes low life vermmin called davidylan. Am quite sure the guy comes from an aabusive background in which either or both parents abused The children. His father is/was a deranged maniac who assaults his wife for the flimsiest excuse and the woman on the other hand takes out her frustrations on the children. The guy doesnt know any better, the only thing he knows and does best is insult. He is brain dead that is why he cannot come up with any sensible argument, I wonder what he would do if his wife had a dissenting view on any issues. He comes up with arguments that lack depth and accademic/ religious content. The only reason he is sometimes able to write his long and meaningless posts is that he embelishes and sandwiches them with insults, this is the reason why I blame the mods. Please people, lets IGNORE the guy, irrespective of what he writes and lets make this thread fun again. Jesoul, please try and caution this irrate christian jihadist. He fouls up rewarding threads. This thread could have been good but see what he did?

I think Buzugee is seriously suffering from what is called cognitive bias. He looks for evidences nd features that tend to corroborate his claims and assertions while conveniently ignoring others that point in a different direction. This Picture of King James is in Black and white, how can you tell what skin colour the image has? This guy doesnt seem to have a flattened nose, his nose looks pointed to me so what negro features are you talking about mr buzu?

ProPastorChris: @ dekung

do you listen to yourself at all? can't you see that you are already devil's mouthpiece and that the devil has gotten you where he wants?

how did you become like this? why are you like this? i feel sorry but at same time pray for your wife for strength and wisdom to handle your case.

i will not stop interceding for you bro.

Thank you veery much I appreciate it because unlike other christians on this forum you have a good heart. Much as I hate to offend you, I will tell you I do not need your prayers. I know too much now than become a christian again. I still go to church though but its all to make my wife happy and oh...... am still a very good husband to my wife. I dont think I need religion/christianity to be a good, morally upright citizen. I dont want to go into arguments with you on what or why I chose this part cos like I said you have a very very very good heart and you sure have a good head on your shoulders. Thank you for your care and concern but I will rather you direct you care to that little boy/girl in your neighbourhood who needs financial assistance, direct it to that man who needs to pay his child's school fees, direct it to that family who have no hope of what to eat tomorow, direct it to that sick man/woman/child who cannot afford hospital bills. When you do that, your prayers would have been answered especially if you do it independent of your church.

Pastor Kun: Ok I get your point but all the three denominations you mentioned above are new age pentecostal churches that are notorious for twisting the gospel, rather they preach feel good messages they invent for themselves with the sole purpose of attracting more membership. The down side of the false gospel they preach is that it never works whilst believers get reap off their pastors get fatter and some people like you get so dis illusioned that you loose faith completely.

I agree with you completely, however I would love to add that wether new age or old age, the foundation on which christianity is built is totally false and unfounded. Christianity has murdered millions of brilliant minds from inception to date, it labelled people witches and the victims were burnt at the stake(Read up the story of Hypatia of Alexandria). The catholic inquisition left several innocent people while destroying their families in its wake. Not that Islam is any better am just not interested in that innately wicked religion to give a thot in my brain. Islam and christianity are best descibed as six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Pastor Kun: @pastor chris house boy and other CE victims
The above poster is a good example of how people are being frustrated out of the faith cause of the false teachings go on in CE and other useless gatherings.

I am really not a CE member, I only attended their weekly campus fellowship way back in my University days (1998-2002), and on Sundays I went to House on The Rock. I stated attending Daystart when I got married due to proximity to my home. I could never have been a CE member because way back in school, members of the fellowship litraly worshiped Pastor Chris apart for their insatiable quest for money

ProPastorChris: @ dekung

Your supposed new stand or belief is strange but I can boldly tell you that the devil whispered into your ears and you decided to hear it twice!
Its not only my prayers that is directed at you but that of your wife will surely work.

You have been successfully blind folded by the god of this world but you call it critical reasoning.
This is the end of times and the love of many will wax cold just like yours but it can be fixed.
May your eyes see and your darkened mind flooded with light.

End of time? End of time conspiracy theorists have been arround for at least 2 millenia now. Even Jesus claimed some of his desciples would still be alive when he eventually returns, those desciples are dead and gone yet Bro Jesus neva show (abi gate fee nev complete?). Pick up your bible and read from genesis to revelation. The book is filled with stories of the highest level inhuman wickedness imaginable that were carried out under God's instruction. It is filled with stories of talking snakes and donkeys, magic sticks, somebody walking on water, slavery, rape, human sacrifice, arson, genocide...... should I go on. Do I need the devil to tell me I should run away from a God who is always angry, who will ask someone to be killed just because he looked for food on sabbath day, who will kill a man instantly just because the man's reflexes made him try to prevent the ark of covenent from falling, who will harden a man's heart and still punish that man by killing all the first born in the man's land and drowning the man and his soldiers because his heart was hardened? Do I need the devil to tell me to move away from a God who says I should have my son stoned to death just because he disobeyed me? Dude pray that your own eyes should be opened. Stop subjecting yourself to cognitive disonance.

@ProPastorChris,
Thank you so much for praying but truth is I do not need it. I do not need it because it has never worked. You may claim it works for you, but I know without a shadow of doubt that it has never worked. Contrary to what you think, only a few of my friends nd associates know abt my present line of belief and I was seen to have gone bunkers, some even claim its because I read too much, I only reveal myself on the internet under the cover of this pseudo name because of the disgust and indignation that greets anyone who chooses to let go of all religious and theistic dogma. I am waiting for a right time to declare my stand but I know it is not going to be easy. So you see no one is giving me thumbs up. It took me time but analytical thinking has helped me reaason my way out of religious bondage. If you care to read up some of the my post you would see that even my wife is still very religious and as you christins will say, strong in the faith. She is a personal (though younger) friend to Pst. Mrs Nike Adeyemi of Daystar Christian Centre and obviously very close to echelons of leadership in the church. My house is a House Fellowship Centre and I have decided to let them have their way. See dude, I am a product of my thoughts, nobody told me to jettison this absurd belief system. So many of the friends whom I managed to explain my stance have indirectly stopped being my friend. I subjected so many of the claims to rational thinking and they fell flat. I dont believe in your God anymore than you believe in allah, vishnu, thor or odin. I do not believe in demons anymore than you believe in the leprechaun or dracular so dude rest your prayers.

ProPastorChris: @ dekung
Your friend was spiritually illiterate cos the Word does not fail.

Oh and you are the one that is spiritually literarte? Please don't make me laugh. Tell me something, why is it that whenever the claim in that your book of fables fail to work, it is always the recipients fault? And bro, the claims in that book more often than not falls to the ground like a rock. Tell me what other understanding did she need to have. Listen before she parted with all her money, we all went for a camp meeting all the way from Unilag to OSU. There we were told several stories of people who gave their all and were blessed in return. They gave examples from the bible and testimonies of others at the gathering. The atmosphere was charged (with lies of course) and people were giving like zombies. The charged atmosphere made my friend give away her project money. what other spiritual literacy did she need oh literate one? What other spiritual education did she not take? Pls don't put a blame where it doesnt exist. Pastor Chris taught his cronies to be con artists like him and the gullible ones are falling for it. It is high time posple started thinking analytically and stop being fooled with these bogus religious claims.

@OP,
Tell your wife to shape in or ship out. Give her a realistic ultimatum to settle her debts, after which you must take a decisive action

@Martian,
Einstein and the proffessor story was touted by Christian to be a true story, this, on the other hand is just a hypothetical situation

I thnk the aatheist is right for setting the record straight otherwise the christin will go to church to give testimony of what God did not do nd claim God sent him a helper.

Pastor Kun: How do you know he is not telling the truth? We hear similar stories from CE members regularly. It is a well known fact that CE put it's members under heavy pressure to give and some members even steal their employer's money just to be able to give to CE.

You do not need to even go far, I was a member of BLW (beleivers love World), the student arm of CE when I was in the University and i know first hand what kind of pressure we were put through even as student to make financial contributions.

i am aware of the pressure, so the husband is actually telling the truth. in fact one of my friends in school lamented to me then that she sowed the money she was supposed to use for her project to the school ministry. When time came to finish up her project, she had to go meet a distant uncle of her to give money. The supposed uncle asked for incentives from her and she was busy cursing the uncle. I told her to change the direction of her curse to the church who deveived her out of her money

joe4christ: Mark my word for future reference; God is gonna deal with you so much that no one would be able to save you from his grip until you come back to your senses admitting the reality of his existance.
[b]God is no [/b]joke and he's gonna prove it to your generation and everyone would learn from your experiences.
You will still come back here someday to debunk all your previous post against God, except if God is no longer on the throne would what i just say not come to pass.

Till then, i remain Joe4christ!

Your God is a joke and A BIIIIIIIIIG lie perpetrated by middle eastern and medieval people to explain what they do not understand.

If all that your God can do with all the myriad of problems facing humanity is to arrest ordinary me, then that God is a very lazy and jobless God. Nigeria is blessed with most wicked leaders of all times (your religious leaders inclusive and Christian leaders in particular), your God should go after them and hunt them down. These leaders have stolen our collective wealth and sent millions to untimely graves yet your god sits down wherever he is and does nothing. Did I hear you say he is long suffering and waiting for them to repent? Please don’t make me laugh. Then he will wait till we are all wiped out.
Tell your God to go after the thieving and kleptomaniac politician and the church leaders who fraternise with these thieves (I think I have a picture of Adeboye and Ibori somewhere on the internet), tell him to unravel the mystery behind Boko Haram and put their menace to rest once and for all. Tell him to solve hunger problems in draught stricken regions of the world.
Let him tell us the true way in which to worship him amongst all the several modes of worship that exist from all the worlds religion because if I believe in Islam 2.2 billion Christians will perish in hell for eternity, if I believe in Christianity, 1.5billion muslim will have executive suites in hell fire. Let me be honest with you, if the Roman Empire had adopted Mithras instead of Christianity, you would have been a Mithraist and I probably would have still found my way to atheism.
Am pretty sure you think I need help, but you put all your belief in a book that claims snakes, lizards and donkeys could talk, a book that believes in witches, wizards and that sticks could turn to snakes. You are the one who believes in a book that says food could fall from the sky and that someone could walk on water tell a storm to stop. You are the one that believes in all these primitive, absurd magical stories which are not different from the story of Ben 10, yet you want your God to arrest me.
One of the tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. Do you really think I need God to be a good husband to my wife, father to my children, boss to my subordinates or follower to my leader? I think not. Religion is an insult to human dignity, with or without it you will still have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
Rather than be a big bully that he is he should do the job of a God and not bother about a small me in the middle of nowhere. Maybe when he has done his job he would have earned my respect, till then, tell him to get busy!

This is just plain stooopid. And I guess the british parliment do not see anything wrong in this. Very soon, muslim population will hit the skies and britons will begin to behead all non moslems

@OmoPastor, you hvent said nything just jumping arround. Try and make a point.
@OP,
Stop whatever financial support u give to her and allow people she is owing to close in on her maybe d church would bail her out then

tgirl1986: I need answers, not stories...slave trade, zimbambwe..e.t.c no two situations are exactly the same..doesn't change what i saw with my own eyes..before then i myself never believed all those stuff..maybe i was hallucinating , but then i wasn't the only one who saw it..which means a lot of people were hallucinating...i need answers

With reference to the bolded:
You were suffering from a chronic case of OPTICAL ILLUSION.

tgirl1986: i have seen a guy been sprayed with bullets, jogging away like they were rubber bullets. This happened in a university in d nigerdelta region. Hw do u explain dat without believing in d spirit realm? Does science have an explanation? Pls i want to know

Lets even assume your story is true, how come europeans still conquered us and took our forefathers as slaves in period when all we had were these native powers, how come many of our soldiers die at peace keeping missions despite knowing and using these native insurance? I dont know what you claimed u saw but it sounds more like BS stories that we hear everytime arround us crafted to enslave our minds so we can live in perpetual fear

joe4christ: You and your colleagues are realy confused beings, you dont even know for sure what you realy stand for, all you do is jump from one thread to the other arguing in futile what you aint got a clue on, it's realy disheartening and pathetic i must admit, you run away at the slightest questions that look mentally challanging to you due to your shallow mind and reasoning.

God help you all!!!

mtsheeeew!!!
You wont give up will you?
Ok itemise you questions in bullet points and lets see how your thinking can be salvaged. After which we can rid you of your delusion.

Whats ds op talking about?