₦airaland Forum

you say

lanrexlan:
why can you nullify all other Jewish prophets after Moses(pbuh) and decided to choose Jesus (pbuh)only? If you choose Jesus(pbuh) because he was Jew and prophet and Moses(pbuh)was also a Jew and a Prophet,then Jesus is similar to moses,where do you put all other Jewish prophets after Moses(pbuh)?John,the Baptist,Joshua,etc(peace be upon them all)? They also fit into the prophecy because they were Jews and also a Prophet like Jesus.

are you sure you unnderstand english. i didnt choose to eliminate other prophets before Jesus i only showed you why.

now why would they be asking that question if the expected prophet had already come.

can you ask me whether the forthcoming december is december 2012. you cant becos its already come and gone. the same with the jews asking about the prophet if the prophet had already come.

now thats the truth man.
i understand how it feels whenn you have be shownn that what you have been taught is wrong. but thank God for the ability to reason independently and thats what i bring to you. for you to start reasoning independently

deSika says salaam

you say

How can THE PROPHET be CHRIST[/b]again when [b]CHRIST [/b]has already been mentioned?

now am going to ask you these questions. do a me a favor and answer

1. do muslims call Jesus a prophet
yes or no
2. this Jesus that muslims say is a prophet is he also the christ
yes or no
3. how can Jesus be the christ and also be called a prophet by muslims

Funny how when muslims cannot refute a claim they resort to calling it "silly claims"

1. U think that the presence of 'thier' in deut 18:18 makes it difernt from deut 17:15 then i showed you deut 18:15 where 'thy' is used. [you have not said anythinng about deut 18: 15]

2. I asked you to show me where Arabs are mentioned in the bible as brethren to Isreal [you have not answered]

3. I dont remember Muhammad going to Isreal to carry out prophetic duties there or was he supposed to be a prophet to the jews inabsentia. If Muhammad was the prophesied prophet like Moses. Moses was a prophet to the jews a prophet like him should also be a prophet to the jews too. Was he a prophet to the jews from Saudi Arabia

I wud oblige you to answer the above and others from my earlier posts before we go on to other verses. Dont worry i will answer your questions shortly. It doesnt make sense that we just abandon one verse (a verse that you yourself brought) just like that and move on to another.

So going on to answer you on who the prophet is in deut 18:18 and john 1:25

By now it should be clear that deut 18:18 uses same "among thy brethren" as deut 17:15 does for king. Therefore this helps us to understand that since a king should come from among the 12 brothers then the prophet should come from among the 12 brethren too. This is what among thy brethren means. Yes it means among yourselves, the 12 of you.

So moving on
You may want to say that the prophet being a jew would have been any other jewish prophet before Jesus came. But if we engage in a little reasoning we will get a clearer picture of the whole thinng

1. First, we discover that these jews were asking fellow jews whether they were the expected prophets. If they were expecting non jewish prophets they would not be asking jews. Do you understand

2. Secondly, the fact that these people were still asking about the expected prophet tells us that the expected prophet had not yet come. Ooch. This is so very important for you to know. If the expected prophet had come they would not be asking about him again. THIS ELIMINATES EVERY OTHER JEWISH PROPHET WHO CAME BEFORE JESUS AS BEING FIT TO BE THE EXPECTED PROPHET

3. Now lets read a testimony about Jesus in the bible. John 6: 14

John 6: 14 kjv
Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

So there you have it. Jesus is the prophet.
Phew! O boy its not easy typing all these things o and in the end, these guys will still not accept the truth shown. O God help us all

so its Lanrexlans turn to flee now. dats good. taking after your friends right. after seeing the truth yu run.

it was a pleasure enlightening all yu guys.

*#~~ Desika. ......presenting commonsense wisdom and truth

lanrexlan: LOLZ,can't help laughing.You are even talking brother mintayo,you of all people.You can't refute a single contradiction we raised in your bible.Let people judge whose reasoning is higher between you and me,I rest my case.Where's the truth in christianity? Jesus(pbuh)preached monotheism,not trinity.I believed in monotheism,jesus(pbuh)believed in monotheism and you believed in trinity,who's following jesus(pbuh),me or you? Jesus(pbuh)fell on his face in his worship,I do fall on my face 5times a day,you always clap and beat drums in your worship,who's following jesus(pbuh),me or you? Jesus(pbuh)wasn't the founder of christianity,I rest my case....Peace

U seem not to realise that Jesus monotheism is quite diferent from your monotheism. U just want to hang on the word monotheism to mean that all monotheist worship same God.

Difference between Jesus monotheism and Muslims monotheism
1. Jesus called his God father. Muslims dont call their God father.
2. Jesus worshiped in a temple which has the following: priests, levites,burnt offerings, incense, arks, breads, sacrifices. Muslims worship in a mosque where priests, levites, arks etc are absent

3 Jesus is recorded to have prostrated once but moslems do this five times a day

4. Jesus is never recorded to have emphasised on prostrating. If it was so important he would have made mention of it atleast once.

i still find it more interesting that yu find my points as errors.

I said
1. Jesus promises his disciples a comforter. Mohamed does not show up to these exact disciples. he does not show up even among later generation disciples. he shows up among pagans
[and yu consider this error]

2. the comforter according to the text (am not the author of the text) will live INSIDE People.
Mohamed does not live inside people [and yu consider this error]

3. the comforter was to live forever.
then your freinds twist their mouth and say Mohameds message is still with us.
and then i ask them. who is to live forever. is it the comforter or the comforters message. ofcoss they dont have anything to say. if Mohamed was the comforter he wud have lived for ever as it was the comforter who was to live forever.

all these yu call errors. dat caused yur friends to leave me in my error kwo.
am not surprised.

[quote author=talk2me006][/quote]now tell me. all the things that are in the quran. was it not Allah that told Mohamed. or did Allah tell him and then he kept it to himself. now tell me when Allah said those did Mohamed not voice it out to his followers. or does Mohamed not follow his Allah again

But go on and answer my question,who's the prophet in deuteronomy 18;18,it's a direct question...Peace

my threads op says Mohamed was not prophesied in the Johns gospel.
LagosShia comes in with a series of copy paste stuffs that one does not know the beginning and the end of and then off he goes. never to come back.
Vedaxcool the only person that attempts my op head on. but then runs away as he began to understand it
Thaba comes in, does not even have a SINGLE word About the op and then flees. could not muster up one rebuttal
Talktomee comes with his book of barnabas but then again as is usual of others before him flees not being able to withstand the truth.
then finally comes Lanrexlan dodging the op takes us to deutronomy instead of John. he makes his point i show him where he is wrong. he cant seem to answer some questions. wunt admit he is wrong but wants us to divert into another diversionary bla bla.

now bro. if you can accept that The prophet as well as the king both having the same criteria that is 'among thy brethen' clearly spelt out in the bible is a jew. then we can move on from there.

we have to finish with primary sxhool before advancing to secondary school. thats how sensible people discuss

just in case you are still in doubt. here are your pointers. they are taken directly from the bible. no addition
1. among thy brethren is used for both king and prophet. so both must say the same thing [jews or non jews. the king part gives us a clue to the answer]
2. arabs are not found in those texts. u r adding wats not in the bible.
3. d other usage of brethren for Isrealites are clearly spelt out. in the case of Esau its clearly mentioned. no case of arabs
4. deutronomy is a book of law to the Isrealites, for the Isrealites. therefore no very important office as prophet would be expected from non jews. if other important religous offices such as kings, priests, levites etc are exclusively jewish then prophet is not excluded

lanrexlan: Lolz,you making progress with me? Can't help laughing,I have made detailed explanation about it,but it seems you don't want to accept arabs are brethrens of jews and no problem.Just read some of your topics and people comments about you,not that impressive.But go on and answer my question,who's the prophet in deuteronomy 18;18,it's a direct question...Peace

if i tell yu that uv got problems u wunt agree. but seriously u do.
am not the one that wrote the bible. the text is out there. i am not adding any interpretations that are absent to the bible. (the bible does not mention arabs in that book. yu are the one addin it). i am trying to show yu that an exact wording 'among thy brethren' exist somewhere else in that same book in deut 17:5. and this one would help you understand this other deut 18:18 statement

1. uv not shown where arabs are referred to as brethren of Isrealites in the bible. am sure yu saw were Esau was called brethren.

2. there are two statements both say among thy brethren you choose one to mean non jew and choose the other to mean jews. now wat else is self deception apart from this

3. you wanted to hang on 'their' to show a difference so as to allow for your notion but i showed you another verse that talks about the same prophet that used 'thy' deut 18:15 but seems hard for you to acknowledge it.

yes yu are wrong and you know it. inasmuch as two places say among thy brethren and you say one means non jew and the other jew.

4. to also help you with understanding 'thier' (even though i have showed you another verse where thy is used). i asked you to tell me what noun you would use to replace the pronouns 'thy' and 'their'. are they talking about a different set of people or does 'thy' and 'their' mean the Isrealites. but you cant still answer. (simple basic english). let me put it in anotherway. wu is the thy in 'among thy brerhren' and wu is 'their' in 'among their brethren'. thy and their are the isrealites. so it still boils down to Isrealites brethren in both statements
my friend like i said am not into arguments.
~Am satisfied with the fact that you have seen where thy and thier is used for that same prophet stuff.
~ i am satisfied that you have seen that if a king from among thy brethren should be a jew then a prophet from among that same brethren should also be a jew. but where the king from among thy brethren is a non jew then this can lead us to conclude that the prophet from that brethren can be a non jew.
~i am satisfied that you can not show where arabs are referred to as brethren of the isrealites in the bible but you can show where Esaus descendants are called Isreal's brethren.
peace. shalom. salaam

lanrexlan: No more arguments o,answer the next question,the prophet is a jew abi,then who's he? Because there are many jewish prophet after moses(pbuh),don't prolong it...PEACE

nah not until yu agree that both statements having same criteria "among thy brethren" mean same thing. i want to be sure am making progress with you. as i always say am not here for arguments am here to show understanding.

does among thy brethren (prophet) and among thy brethren (king) mean same thing.

you have a really long way to go. seriously

when yu say he
wu does 'he' refer to
a boy ofcos
wu does 'she' refer to
a girl of cos

now before yu reply. think about this

wu does thy refer to
Isrealites
wu does their refer to
Isrealites
can yu really answer these

does thy refer to somebody else
does their refer someone else

wu is the 'thy' and wu is the 'their' can yu answer.
simple question for yu to think about.

once you know that thy and their are pronouns you would know that they are used to replace a noun.

now can yu try replacing thy and their with the nouns you rhink they represent.

u see i take a lot of time to explain and ask yu questions so yu can understand the text better. if yu can do yourself the favor of answering those questioms for urself am sure u wud see the answers

thank yu

lanrexlan: Hahahahahahahaha,don't worry I understood you now.'DETERMINERS' don't matter in English language again,for example If I say 'This is HIS book' and 'This is HER BOOK'.What's 'HIS and HER' referring to,book of course but of different meaning.Same with 'thy and their',I gave you the meaning of both.You don't wanna admit and no problem about that,answer the next questions....Peace brother

SMH i gues yu still have some english lessons to do.

so before yu keep deluding yourself with thy and their

i showed yu another verse. but yu overlooked it. here it is again. atleast it doesnt have 'their' to confuse yu

Deuteronomy 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
The L ORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

my friend here we have the same thy used. a king among thy brethren and a prophet among thy brethren has the same criteria which is "among thy brethren" so both must come from either non jews or only jews.

#am not here to just keep going round in arguments. am here to show something. and thats what am doing presently with you. i understand that you are a muslim ane it will be dificult for u to accept that yu are wrong. but my dear i must say atleast i have tried to explain things to you. this 'thy' issue is the main hanging point of this deut stuff. and i want yu to see it.

lanrexlan: Hahahahahahahaha,don't worry I understood you now.'DETERMINERS' don't matter in English language again,for example If I say 'This is HIS book' and 'This is HER BOOK'.What's 'HIS and HER' referring to,book of course but of different meaning.Same with 'thy and their',I gave you the meaning of both.You don't wanna admit and no problem about that,answer the next questions....Peace brother

SMH i gues yu still have some english lessons to do.

so before yu keep deluding yourself with thy and their

i showed yu another verse. but yu overlooked it. here it is again. atleast it doesnt have 'their' to confuse yu

Deuteronomy 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
The L ORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of [/b] thy [/b] brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

my friend here we have the same thy used. a king among thy brethren and a prophet among thy brethren has the same criteria which is "among thy brethren" so both must come from either non jews or only jews.

#am not here to just keep going round in arguments. am here to show something. and thats what am doing presently with you. i understand that you are a muslim ane it will be dificult for u to accept that yu are wrong. but my dear i must say atleast i have tried to explain things to you. this 'thy' issue is the main hanging point of this deut stuff. and i want yu to see it.

hope yu can clearly see yur despration now in deut 18:15

lanrexlan: Brother desika,really surprised sha.The mistake you made is 'THY AND THEIR'.The word ''THY BRETHREN'' was used in deuteronomy 17;15,the word ''THEIR BRETHREN'' was used in deuteronomy 18;18-19.Brother,don't muddle it up.Let's analysis first ''THY BRETHREN'',THY means according to Collins Dictionary ''associated in some way with 'YOU'.What's the meaning of 'THEIR BRETHREN,THEIR means associated in some way with the the people(them)in general,NOT including the SPEAKER or the PEOPLE addressed.
'THY BRETHREN' as used in deuteronomy 17;15 means associated with the jewish people only(You).What about 'THEIR BRETHREN' as used in deuteronomy 18;18-19,it means associated with the jewish people(in general) EXCLUDING the jewish people(people addressed)and the speaker(GOD).Abraham(pbuh)had two sons;Isaac(pbuh) and Ismael(pbuh),both are brothers(brethren),therefore their offsprings will be brethren of one another.In deuteronomy 18;18-19,they excluded the jewish people,that means the prophet prophesied will be from the people associated with them(jewish people)but not from them(jewish people).That's the arabs(they are associated with the jewish people,I explained that).
The second time you will disappoint me brother desika,you've allowed your rebuttal and unwillingness to agree that muhammed(pbuh)is the prophet prophesied in that verse cloud your reasoning.

SMHHFYT(Shaking My Head Heavily For You Too).I'm dumbfounded also,less I forget you haven't reply to my other claims....Peace brother.

if i told u dat i was not expecting this 'thy' and 'their' comparism i wud be lieing.

and clearly you fell for another folly.
u nid to reason well about a point before yu put it out.

now wu is 'thy' referring to
wu is 'their' referring to

are they same or differnt people

let me help yu answer
wu is thy referring to
answer Jews
wu is thier referring to
answer Jews

let me break it down for you
ever heard of 1st 2nd and 3rd person in English. check out a english text close to u

ok lets use 'you' instead of 'thy'. 'thy' is old english and simply means you.

if i use 'you' in a statement it means am talking directly to you(the people). if i use 'their' it means am talking to someone about the same you(the people)

clearly its the same peolpe am talking about in both cases. only that in the first place i am talking directly while in the second one i am talking to someelse about the same you.

i cant beleive am saying all this. do u wonder why i said am quite sure yu understand english in my post.

thy and thier does not change anything. we are still talking about same people isrealites.

now read this
Deuteronomy 18:15 King James Version (KJV)
The L ORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

did yu see thy in this verse.
now how do u explain this one. hehehe

[quote author=Mintayo][/quote]thanks.
@ proo212 thanks

our job is just to show truth

hey Lanrexlan i saw yu viewing this thread just now. see there is nothing wrong with acknowledging truth wen yu see it and move on. u dnt have to keep defending falsehood. the truth is this

WHAT APPLIES TO THE FIRST "AMONG THY BRETHREN" APPLIES TO THE SECOND ONE ALSO. AS BOTH ARE THE SAME STATEMENTS

FALSEHOOD/SELF DECEPTION IS TO dash one statement one meaning and dash the same not just similar wordings but direct exact same words used in the same context a different meaning.

i rest my case

lanrexlan: the Prophet?” [John 1: 25]The priests were expecting three people as prophesied by their books, so they asked about Christ, Elijah and ‘the Prophet’. So who is ‘the Prophet’ they are referring to here?This cannot be a reference to Jesus because he is the Christ.‘The prophet’ must certainly be someone else.

i saw this and i was wondering. SO WHY DO MUSLIMS CALL JESUS A PROPHET if he is just a messiah and not the prophet. they shud be calling him the messiah and not prophet na. funny
SMH

when brethren was mentioned in deut 2:4 the author put Esau there to clearly show wat he meant.

you scan the bible and check to see whether the arabs are once called Isreal brethren (i know yu wunt do this)

lanrexlan: Brother,brethren can be used in two ways.Brethren mentioned in deutrenonmy 17;15 is brethren of the jewish people,among themselves.The brethren used in deuteronomy 18;18-19 is the brethren of the ancenstral brothers of the jewish people,not among themselves..

Deuteronomy 17:15 King James Version (KJV)
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one , from among thy brethren , shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. <<
Deuteronomy 18:18 King James Version (KJV)
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren , like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

am quite sure u understand english.
is there a difference between the first "among thy brethren" and the second one. is it not the same sentence.

i dont know wat to say about yu seriosly. yu have disappointed me bigtime. yu have allowed desperation to cloud your reasoning. is this wat yu say. the same word used in the same sentence spoken to the same people from the same person means differenr things. haba this is the height of desperation. among thy brethren when used with a "king" means among Isrealites. that same among thy brerhren wen used with a "prophet" means non jew. am dumbfounded at the height yu can get to.

bro do yu see that its the same word. among thy brethren. how can they mean different things in just a space of how many verses.

among thy brethren, king means jew.
among thy brethren, prophet means non jew. ha

SMHHFY (Shaking My Head Heavily for You)
this is just dumfounding as in i dont just know wat to make of u. the same sentence just a diference of office king and prophet makes it differnt. is this how you read your quran. you dash meaning to a word and later wen you find that same word used in the same context you dash it another meaning.

do yu realise that the king and the prophet has EXACTLY the same criteria which is "among thy brethren"

[If the prophet from among thy brethren is a non jew then a king with the same criteria among thy brethren is a non jew.] but

[if the king from among thy brethren is a jew then a prophet with the same criteria among thy brethren is also a jew]

SMHBFY Kai wonders they say will neva end.

@ Lanrexlan
pls dont disapoint me na
u just left me just like that on this thread
www.nairaland.com/1242521/muhammad-cannot-comforter/3

come and answer my question na. just dat last question and i will be ok.


by the way. Alexis and Mintayo u guys are doing a great job.

just one thing I need u to help me do

Pls can yu explain "a king from among thy brethren " deut 17: 15

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR. WHAT IS 'BREAD' ? SOMETHING THAT NOURISHES. THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO YOU THAT HAVE TO BE NOURISHED. YOUR BODY AND YOUR SOUL. SO 'BREAD' IS USED AS THE WORD THAT NOURISHES BOTH BODY AND SOUL. WHEN IT NOURISHES THE SOUL, BREAD IS THE WORD. WHEN IT NOURISHES THE BODY, BREAD IS FOOD. ITS AN AMBIGUOUSLY APPLIED WORD. DOESNT MEAN LITERAL 'BREAD' THAT IS MADE WITH FLOUR. THAT AINT WHAT ITS TALKING ABOUT. YOU DO ERR

hehehe so bread does not mean wealth again. ok

from d bolded if bread is food why should fasting as in Jesus temptation not be from food. why wud the devil be asking Jesus to turn stone to food(bread) if not for the fact that Jesus needed that food as a result of fasting from food

u did not answer my other questions o

i beleive by now yu shud be seeing ur folly. if u cant be consistent its just a sign dat u are wrong.

obadiah777: STONE IS WORD AS IN 'SPEECH'. LIKE IF I START CURSING YOU, I AM THROWING STONES AT YOU. IF I AM SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT THE BIBLE THEN STONE IS THE WORD OF GOD.

BREAD IS AMBIGUOUS. BREAD AS IN 'THOU SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE' MEANS YOU CANNOT LIVE BY ONLY THE CARNAL THINGS IN LIFE. BREAD ALSO MEANS THE WORD OF GOD. JUST AS WATER MEANS KNOWLEDGE BUT WATERS MEANS PEOPLE. ITS OLD ENGLISH. GET USED TO OLD ENGLISH BROS THE ENGLISH USED IN BIBLICAL DAYS IS DIFFERENT FROM ENGLISH APPLICATION TODAY. VIRGIN FOR EXAMPLE MEANS 'UNWED' ETC ETC ETC

whch one is it. U r confusin ur congregation o

does bread mean wealth, carnal things or word

why shoujdnt we say dat Jesus gave them wealth when he fed them wit bread. U said bread means wealth

wats d diference btw water and waters. Are they not all water

at one time u said d boat was d word. If Jesus entered d boat did he enta d word

pls clarify on verse 48 wat is meant by "and would have passed by them"

thanks

obadiah777: STONE IS WORD AS IN 'SPEECH'. LIKE IF I START CURSING YOU, I AM THROWING STONES AT YOU. IF I AM SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT THE BIBLE THEN STONE IS THE WORD OF GOD.

BREAD IS AMBIGUOUS. BREAD AS IN 'THOU SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE' MEANS YOU CANNOT LIVE BY ONLY THE CARNAL THINGS IN LIFE. BREAD ALSO MEANS THE WORD OF GOD. JUST AS WATER MEANS KNOWLEDGE BUT WATERS MEANS PEOPLE. ITS OLD ENGLISH. GET USED TO OLD ENGLISH BROS THE ENGLISH USED IN BIBLICAL DAYS IS DIFFERENT FROM ENGLISH APPLICATION TODAY. VIRGIN FOR EXAMPLE MEANS 'UNWED' ETC ETC ETC

whch one is it. U r confusin ur congregation o

does bread mean wealth, carnal things or word

why shoujdnt we say dat Jesus gave them wealth when he fed them wit bread. U said bread means wealth

wats d diference btw water and waters. Are they not all water

at one time u said d boat was d word. If Jesus entered d boat did he enta d word

pls clarify on verse 48 wat is meant by "and would have passed by them"

thanks

lanrexlan: I have explained the usage of the word 'brethren' in the old testament,the
‘brethren’ mentioned here are the brethren of the Jewish people.
Now Abraham, the forefather of the Jewish nation had two sons,
Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21).The children of Isaac are the cousins
of the children of Ishmael.The children of Isaac are the Jews and the
children of Ishmael are the Arabs.‘Brethren’ in the language of the
Old Testament can refer to the Jews themselves (Numbers 32: 6), or
to the ancestral cousins of the Jews such as the Arabs,Edomites and
others.So the 'brethren' in deuteronomy is referring to the ancestral cousins of the jews,the arabs....Peace

bros can u explain to me what "a king from among thy brethren" means daz wat am asking shikena

i wll respond to others later.batry

oboye see twisting. you will soon twist urself out o.

i tot u said
stone : word
bread : wealth

now u r saying
bread: word

hehehe so can we now say that the devil was asking Jesus to convert word (stone) to another word (bread)

my second point
guy yu r trying so hard but its not working.

The deutronomy 18 verse says "like me" and does not say how he will be like him. So lets take the word "like" for what it is.
Is Muhamad like Jesus in anyway. Yes according to you
Is Muhamad like Moses in anyway. Yes according to you.
So therefore you cant say Muhammad is like Moses and Jesus is not like Moses. Since Jesus and Muhammad are alike. [i guess you did not think about this before making this point]

My friend Jesus is like Moses.

i dont see where yu answered my 4th question. what does deut 17:15 mean when it says a king from among thy brethren. the same term with a prophet from among thy brethren.

if the prophet is a non jew. then the king also shud be from non jew. as they are exactly the same term "from among thy brethren"

if the king is a jew then the prophet is a jew. the last time i checked. no non jew has been a king in Isreal and if that is the case then no non jew prophet is spoken about here.

i rest my case

lanrexlan: To the first one,brother the jews quizzed john,the baptist(pbuh)about those three people,elijah,christ and 'the prophet'.So there's nothing wrong if they asked their fellow people because christ was a jew so was elijah.And they don't know the order by which these three people will arrive,that's why they quizzed john,the baptist(pbuh)about them,hope that answers that....Peace brother.

wrong answer
do u realize that if they were expecting a non jew prophet they would not be asking jews such question.

so this is my point:
the expected prophet was supposed to be a jew. this explains why they asked fellow jews that question.

imagine if the next vc of my school has been slated to come from outside the school. i wud not be asking the professors in my school whu qualify for the post whether they are likely to be the next vc.

OBADIAH OBADIAH OBADIAH
so you refuse to change after all i told you in that fasting thread of yours. i told you that you should not muddle up symbolical interpretations into literal real life events.

NOW YOU WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR METAPORICAL INTERPRETATIONS SO WE CAN KNOW WHETHER YOU ARE CORRECT OR NOT

so lets begin
Mark 6
HOW DO YOU INTERPRETE THE FOLLOWING
44 And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men. [DID jesus give them wealth]
45 And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent
away the people. [how do u interpret this]
46 And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray. . [HOW DO YOU INTERPRETE THis]
47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land. [how do yu interpret this]
48 And he saw them toiling in rowing[THIS]; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them. [THIS]
49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:[How do yu interprete cried out]
50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be
not afraid. [how do yu interprete it is i be not afraid]
51 And he went up unto them into the ship; [did he go up into the word] and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and
wondered.

lets see how you interprete these literal occurences metaphorically.

@ lanrexlan
u did not attend to this

deSika: if they were expecting a prophet from outside country do you ask yourself why they wud be asking their fellow jews whether they were that prophet.

and this

deSika: 4. in addition to above. pls compare the following.

Deuteronomy 17:15 King James Version (KJV)
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one , from among thy brethren , shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. <<

Deuteronomy 18:18 King James Version (KJV)
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren , like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

so tell me the king from among thy brethren is he supposed to come from outside Isreal

so
1. if they were expecting a prophet from outside Isreal why were they asking fellow isrealites whether they were 'that prophet'

2. what does "from among thy brethren" mean in deut 17:15. is the king from among thy brethren a non isrealite too.

thank you

lanrexlan: Brother,that's one thing I love about you,you don't beat around the bush like alexis and mintayo,you address the question directly.

thanks for the compliment

lanrexlan: To your questions,in the gospel of john,the comforter is like jesus(pbuh) in the sense that,jesus(pbuh) preached and believed in the oneness of God,so does the comforter(muhammed(pbuh).Prophet muhammed(pbuh) said in an authentic hadith that; I am the closest to the jesus(pbuh),the son of mary prophets are brothers,their mothers are different but their message is the same.

If Jesus and Muhammad are alike enough that Muhammad can be the one
prophesied in John 14:16, then they are similar enough for Jesus to
also fit the qualifications to have been the prophet of Deuteronomy
18. you can’t have it both ways. Its either Muhammad is like Jesus in
John's gospel or he is not like Jesus in Deuteronomy. Which one is it?
lets put ut another way if Mohamed is 'like' Moses and also like Jesu it means that Jesus is also like Moses. this nullifies the Jesus is not like Moses statement.

lanrexlan: To that deuteronomy,brother God was talking to moses(pbuh) not jesus(pbuh).God promised to raised a prophet like unto moses(pbuh).In this prophecy,God was telling Moses that he would raise a
Prophet like him,who would be from ‘among their brethren’.Since
these verses were directed to Moses and the Jewish People the
‘brethren’ mentioned here are the brethren of the Jewish people.
Now Abraham(pbuh),the forefather of the Jewish nation had two sons,Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21).The children of Isaac are the cousins
of the children of Ishmael.The children of Isaac are the Jews and the
children of Ishmael are the Arabs.‘Brethren’ in the language of the
Old Testament can refer to the Jews themselves(Numbers 32: 6)or
to the ancestral cousins of the Jews such as the Arabs, Edomites and
others.(see Deuteronomy 2: 4-8 for usage of the word ‘brethren’).
So the Arabs are considered the brethren of the Jews -Muhammad
(Arab) and Moses (Jew).

so i went to deut 2:4 and it states exactly my number 3 point above. that the brethren of Isreal is Esaus descendant and not Ishmealites. and it even makes it clear whom it is referring to. lets read it

Deu 2:4 And command thou the people, saying, Ye [are] to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and they shall be afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves therefore:

there is no where in the bible where the Ishmealites are reffered to as brethren of Isreal. if you see it pls let me know

lanrexlan: In addition to this,the verse informs us that the Prophet will have the characteristic of
being someone who is ‘like’ Moses. Jesus was very different to
Moses,but what about Muhammad (pbuh)?Moses and Muhammad have fathers and mothers;Both of them
went into
Exile–Moses to the land of Median and Muhammad to Yathrib (now
Medina);
Both worked as shepherds for their employers;Both were married
and had children;Both were given laws and Both of them
died and were buried....Peace

i have already dislodged this statement in my above post. if Jesus is like Mohamed and Mohamed is like Moses therefore Jesus is like Moses