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1. How "YHWH" pronounced in full with vowel

2. Which laguage is YHWH

3. Who is YHWH.

ayenny02: You lacks an authoritative reference.

“Yahweh” and “Jehovah” are two pronunciations formed by humans much later and the modern Jews are as uncertain of the real pronunciation of the Yahweh


MY QUESTION FOR YOU;

1. How "YHWH" pronounced in full with vowel

2. Which laguage is YHWH

3. Who is YHWH

Bring proof, starting with an archaeological evidence

Once again, Don't dodge my Question

maclatunji: Why do you guys bother with OP? He is not here to learn, only to argue indefinitely. The topic of this thread is ridiculous to say the least. I won't be surprised if the name of God in his local dialect is a part of his name.

I guess because it is not in hebrew, that won't count going by the twisted logic he is pursuing here.

smoy: away for long on this topic.

May the peace of Allah be with all brothers and sisters on net and physical Daa’i all over for Allah to reward all with the best reward and for them to stand witness on the last day that we told them and proclaimed that there is no any worthy to be worship except Allah and Muhammad is the last messenger and prophet.

As for this site deSika is you name, no language will change your name when ever you are asked of yuour name you will tell them you are desika any attempt to change even the pronunciation u will get upset, Hausa man will call u Dasika others may call you Theysica or thasika etc. but one thing remains, deSika is your name no matter what anybody decide to call you and that is the origin no one knows it better than u.

smoy: thought other names may defers like God in English, Chukwu in Igbo Ubangiji in Hausa etc

the Christian and Jew are good in changing names e.g Isor/Isa to Jesus, Musa/Mousa to Moses (Greek Bible) and even translate Muhammedim to “all together lovely” (song of solom 5:16).

Either Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek the unique name of Allah never change from Adam, Yusuf, Noah, Abraham, Musa, Isa, Muhammad (may the peace of Allah be upon all)

they all proclaimed Allah to their people. Thought other names may defers like God in English, Chukwu in Igbo Ubangiji in Hausa etc but they must qualified to be called God in both meaning attribute and function. Eledumare in Yoruba is questionable bc it attribute to gods, but Olorun/Oluwa may do.

If you still adamant about your argument then provide your proof, and not any baseless and human instinct which you always provide and the teaching of your churches not that of Jesus. In the Bible Musa or Isa (ASW) never used Yahweh or Jehova in place of Allah but instead Isa (ASW) used Ellah/Elloh/Elai/Elloi tong different of Allah.

you said Yahweh means father.

Again you theology studies is weak, according to Wikipedia and others Yahweh is translated “I am” and “it cause to be” etc you Christian and Jew only use to said “Yahweh is your father” that is not a translation.

The link u refered me to is blocked, by the way, why over there?

deSika many question unanswered listed
1. Who is Yahweh
2. did Moses used it
3. how about Jesus
4. Who is this that Jesus called while on cross
5. We have told you with verses in Quran that Musa speak about Allah now you proof with Bible or any prophetic book that Musa teach of Yahweh. and we all waiting.

1. Who is Yahweh

2. did Moses used it

3. how about Jesus

4. Who is this that Jesus called while on cross

5. We have told you with verses in Quran that Musa speak about Allah now you proof with Bible or any prophetic book that Musa teach of Yahweh. and we all waiting.

i known you go to anti-islam website to copy and paste ur fabricated and fallacy statement Let me lecture u how the prophet destroyed al-Uzza, Manat, al- lat.

ayenny02: What is the religion of ibrahim when he was not christian?

What is the meaning of ELOHIM? Back with authoritative references

dougivilla: Thanks! But the bone of contention has not beem whether earthly possessions are preferable to heavenly treasures, but that THE SOURCE OF ALL WEALTH AND RICHES IS THE DEVIL. Nothing could be further from the truth than that devilish assertion.

Jesus truely did not base ALL His teachings on prosperity as many pastors today do, But to claim that God can not bless a man is very false and demonic.

@obadiah777 I'm still waiting to see you quote 1st Kings3:12-13, or bactrack and repent from your falsehood! It will do you no good to continually try to mislead God's children. God's wrath is coming upon the children of disobedience! He that has an ear let him hear!

deSika: now back to the op.
this one is just a test of your honesty
if yu can answer it. then u have shown your self to be honest.
if cannot thenn know that a spirit of deception rules over you. you need to free yourself from it

and now the question

did Jesus say Allah on the cross.
Yes or no

if Yes. it means you agree that Jesus died on the cross
if no. then you can see that muslims have been swiming in falsehood and deception.
you owe yourself a duty to free yourself

vedaxcool: Lie number 1: I did not explain to you Judas died on the cross, the GOSPEL OF BARNABAS STATED CLEARLY JUDAS DIED on the cross!

And was it me or any muslim that compiled Gospel of Barnabass? Clearly not, the gospel of barnabas preceeded Islam, in plain english was before Islam, and clearly christians compiled gospel of Barnabas which flatly rejects the death of christ on the cross!

Common sense demands u tell your christian sources to be consistent not me or any other muslims, truth: Jesus never died on the cross and your christian sources attest to this fact and God in the Qur'an attest to that!

deSika: u dont have a right to say he was not crucified since ur quran agrees that if not for ur Allah he wud have bin crucified. take note that it is only the quran that knows that it was not Jesus. every other person thought they were killing Jesus. ur quran says the person they killed was a Jesus kind of person to thier eyes.. the quran was trying to deny the death of Jesus but was not clever enough. at least it should have told us that there was no animosity between the jews and Jesus.

deSika: UR QURAN SAYS THAT JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED BUT THE JESUS THAT WAS CRUCIFIED IS NOT THE REAL ONE. now u tell me wu is decieving wu..

vedaxcool: The truth u invite me to, is one where the god you worships behave as follows:

Insults his own mum by calling her woman?

Insults his elders by calling them vipers etc

Insults a woman by referring her and every other non Jew as Dogs?

Claims to forsaken by God? (Do you know what it means to be forsaken by God?)

Prays to a bigger god for assistance and yet his prayer amounts to nut?

Any religion where one god calls a bigger god is polytheism!

I am sorry such "truth" is not meant for one like me, as clearly it is truly a pack of lies concocted by men to mislead men who are weak headed!

vedaxcool: Islam is the only truth, where Jesus is a responsible, respectful and reasonable individual, where God does not forsake those who are good nor does Jesus call his own mum woman!

Now that is truth Thank you!

ayenny02: Point two: Whoever worships Allah must be a muslim. Abdul-l-Muttalib was never a Muslim. He was an idolater and died as an idolater.

The noblest name "Allah" is not uncommon among the arabian pagans. It is in their vocabulary. It is a name know to them since Prophet Adam (AS) was on the surface of land. More precisely, the Arabian pagans have fake ideas about Islam before the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). This is so because Prophet Ismail (as), the father of the Arabs was a Muslim by religion.

So if any pagans Arab names his son Abdu-llah, it is not because he worships Allah, nor does it mean that such parent believes in Allah. But pagans Arab do so , because "Allah" is part of their vocabulary.

ayenny02: The statement is not true at all based on four cogent points as below
Point one: Abdullah is a son of Abdul-muttolid, Abdul-l-Muttolib is a son of Haashim. Haashim is a son of Abdul-l-Munaaf. Abdul-l-Munaaf is a son Qusoyy. If it is automatic that every name attached to the prefix "Abdul" denotes an idol or god being worshipped by the concerned family, then Muttolib shall be the name of god that his father, Haashim worshipped.

Also, if it is authentic that every name attached to the prefix "Abdul" denotes an idol or god worshipped by the concerned family, then Manaf shall be the name of god that is father, Qasayy worshipped. Neither Muttolib nor Manaf was a god of the arabs. So, whenever a compound name is made up of "Abdul" and another noun, it is either in sense of a worshipper and what or Who being worshipped, or in the senses of ther thing, as in the case of abdul-muttolib and Abdul-Manaaf. But the case Abdul-muttolib naming his son Abdul-llah has ni authoritative reference which indicates that Abdul-Muttolib named his son Abdul-llah because he worshipped Allah, true God.

Neither Abdul-l-Muttalib nor Abdul-llah worship Allah.

Let us now know more abt how abdul-muttolid was named that compound noun, as in reference of Ar-Rashheq Al-Makhum (The sealed Nectar) vol 1, pages 51-52:


His father was Hāshim ibn `Abd Manāf and his mother was Salmah bint `Amr from the Banū Najjār tribe in Yathrib (later called, Madinah). On his father's side he belonged to the distinguished Banū Hāshim clan, a subgroup of the Quraish tribe of Makkah which traced their genealogy to Ismā'īl and Ibrāhīm. His father died while doing business in Gaza, before he was born.

He was given the name "Shaybah" meaning 'the ancient one' or 'white-haired' for the streak of white through his jet-black hair

After his father's death he was raised in Yathrib with his mother and her family until about the age of eight, when his uncle Muttolib went to see him and asked his mother Salmah bint `Amr to entrust Shaybah to his care. Salmah was unwilling to let her son go and Shaybah refused to leave his mother without her consent.

Upon first arriving in Makkah, the people assumed the unknown child was Muttalib's slave, giving him the name `Abdu'l-Muttalib (slave of Muttalib). When Muttalib died, Shaybah succeeded him as the chief of the Banū Hāshim clan.

Can you see why Arabs called Shaebah, Abdul-Muttalib; they thought he was a slave purchased by Al-Muttolib, not that Muttolid is a god or idol. Any contrary view is therefore null and void.

ayenny02: Those statement are fallacy. Thus it lacks an authoritative reference. It was those christian that inserted the noblest name "Allah" into the names of the Arabian gods.

Allah the Almighty is an idol in the common sense of d christian as shown in the statements. If all christian agree with those statement, then all of them, have agreed that Jesus Christ is a son of an idol.
This is confirmed in the Arabic translation of john 3:16 in the Bible published by the Gideons Int. Let us read as follows:

"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"

The Arabic translation of the above by the christian bible themselves is as below:
16 فَقَدْ أحَبَّ اللهُ العالَمَ كَثِيْراً، حَتَّى إنَّهُ قَدَّمَ ابْنَهُ الوَحِيْدَ، لِكَيْ لا يَهلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الحَياةُ الأبَدِيَّةُ.


The point of interest in the above John 3:16 is that the christian translated God to Allah. Then, is Allah an idol or God?

ayenny02: You lacks an authoritative reference. U don't have any proof to back ur statement

ayenny02: “Yahweh” and “Jehovah” are two pronunciations formed by humans much later.

I asked u to bring their proof, starting with an archaeological evidence on how was "YHWH" pronounced in full with vowels, not the later-inserted ones! (PLS I NEED PROOF NOT ON HEAD)

Whoever worships Allah must be a muslim. The noblest name "Allah" is not uncommon among the arabian pagans. It is in their vocabulary. It is a name know to them since Prophet Adam (AS) was on the surface of land. More precisely, the Arabian pagans have fake ideas about Islam before the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). This is so because Prophet Ismail (as), the father of the Arabs was a Muslim by religion.

The following is from The state of Assyria Aramaic web site.  When you visit their site, click on "Search" at the top blue bar, then click on the "Search Aramaic Lexicon (online directory" link, then type in "God" and click on "English word" radio button.

Word: hl0
Lexeme: 0hl0
Root: hl0
Word Number: 904
Meaning: God
Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH
(Western) AaLoH
Part of Speech: Noun
Gender: Masculine
Person:
Number: Singular
State: Absolute

Lexicon
Word: 0hl0
Lexeme: 0hl0
Root: hl0
Word Number: 905
Meaning: God
Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaHaA
(Western) AaLoHoA
Part of Speech: Noun
Gender: Masculine
Person:
Number: Singular
State: Emphatic


Few points to learn:

1- In the case of "Aalah" or "Aaloh" Aramaic slang pronounciation, it is almost the same as the "Allah" or "Allawh" Arabic slang pronounciation.

2- In the case of "Aalahaa" or "Aalohaa" Aramaic slang pronounciation, it is also almost the same as the "Allaha" or "Allawha" in the Arabic slang pronounciation.  "Allah" would be pronounced as "Allaha" or "Allaha" in Arabic if it's used in the middle of the sentence.  It can also be pronounced as "Allahi" or "Allahu" or "Allaho" depending on the grammar of the sentence.

3- The Hebew word "Elohim" is the plural of "Elowah", which is derived from the Aramaic word "Alaha", or "Elahh"; the same as the Arabic word "Allah" or "Allawh" in pronunciation.

As I mentioned above, by the way, the two "l"s in "Allah" are written in Arabic as one "l".  In Arabic, if the letter is pronounced twice after each others such as the "m" in "Muhammad", then it is written only once, and a special punctuation called "al-shaddah" is applied on the top of the letter to indicate that it is a double pronunciation.  So the point is, the Arabic "Allah" is written with one "l" and not two "l"s.  Perhaps the old Aramaic thousands of years ago was like that too, and maybe that's why "Allah" is written with one "l" in Aramaic ("Aalah" and not "Aallah" or "Allah"

U failed to realize that the use of such expression as "The God" (al-ilah) is to denote the fact that "Allah" is The Only True God The Creator, and not to mean literally "The God".

bible, what i am trying to prove to u, is that ur false claims against the name "Allah" through the abuse of "ilah" were refutable since the Hebrew bible does contain a similar-sounding word which means exactly what "ilah/ elah" (in Arabic) does.

QUESTION: WAS ABRAHAM A JEWS OR CHRISTIAN? IF THERE WAS NO ANY CONTRARY VIEW, THEN QURAN IS TRUTH

ayenny02: Although Paul made many changes in jesus teaching, he was still faithful in respect to ablution(purification) as seen in Act 21:26;
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

ayenny02: Muslim Women perform their prayer with their head covered as 1 cor 11:5, 6 and 13;
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

ayenny02: Muslims worship with bowing, kneeling, prostration and without shoes as done by previous Prophet;
Psalm 95:6
6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.

ayenny02: Joshua 5:14
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

Nehemiah 8:4-6
4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6 And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground.

Matthew 4:10
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

ayenny02: ISLAM is arabic word which means surrender to d will of God, Those who practice religion of islam are called Muslim. Muslim is an arabic word and which means worshiper of none except Allah alone.

Also Allah is an Arabic word which means God, Supreme Being. In Hebrew language God means ELOHA but jews use plural form ELOHIM. It is not subject to plurality or gender. It is confusing to use the word God as many English-speaking Christian still consider Jesus as God, even the word creator is also confusing, as many christians still maintain that jesus had created the world.

If u can access to Arabic Bible that those christian arabs are using, you will see that God in that bible translate to Allah

Not only the name of Allah is strange, but also the way muslims worship Allah with ablution, bowing, kneeling, prostration and fasting is strange to non-muslim, but not strange to all prophets.

While ablution (washing of face, arms, feet and moistening of d hair) prior to worship is abandoned by modern christian, it is still required by muslim and previous prophets, as seen in the following passages of the Bible: Exodus 40:31-32
31 And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat:
32 When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the altar, they washed; as the Lord commanded Moses..

John 13:12-15
12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

ayenny02: It should suffice to say that none of the anti-Islam critics has come up with any documented, archeological proof on the authenticity and the real and full pronunciation of "YHWH", which is supposed to be the name of God in Hebrew. We all know that "Yahweh" & "Jehovah" are not Hebrew words, the first includes inserted vowels to make possible the pronunciation of "YHWH", while the latter is a western version of "YHWH" with vowels! Another fact, according to the bible, is that when Moses asked God about His name, He told him that His name is "I am that I am"! The Jews and Christians do a lot of manipulations and interpolations to "guess" the name of God, they make "YHWH" to mean "to be" or "the one who was, the one who is and the one who will always be"!

“Yahweh” and “Jehovah” are two pronunciations formed by humans much later. Although the Jewish Encyclopedia labels the word “Jehovah” to be a philological impossibility, the Christian world tends to use this pronunciation till this day. Coming back to the pronunciation of this word YHWH, the Catholic Encyclopedia brings it to our attention:
 
“According to a Rabbinic tradition the real pronunciation of Jehovah ceased to be used at the time of Simeon the Just, who was, according to Maimonides, a contemporary of Alexander the Great. At any rate, it appears that the name was no longer pronounced after the destruction of the Temple.”
 

Moreover we are also informed by the same encyclopedia that “the modern Jews are as uncertain of the real pronunciation of the Sacred name as their Christian contemporaries”
 

Hence one thing has been made apparent that neither the Jews nor the Christians know the true pronunciation of this word. This word was considered to be ineffable by the Jews and thus with time people lost the knowledge of its true pronunciation.


MY QUESTION FOR YOU NOW;

Those are verbs and attributes, not a name! God has One name, and that's "ALLAH". If anyone has any doubts or proofs otherwise, let them bring their proof, starting with an archaeological evidence on how was "YHWH" pronounced in full with vowels, not the later-inserted ones!

vedaxcool: So you agree Judas not Jesus died on the cross? this is hilarious, so muslims compiled Gospel of Barnabas and the Gospel of luke, mark and mathew? poor you the confusion comes the hands of christains tell them to stop confusing you guys rather than blaming muslims, soon you will say muslims should stop confusing you with the numerous bible

vedaxcool: Satan get at my back christianity and common sense are like light and dark