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vedaxcool: Is it Azonto or Allingo? why we doubt you were really dancing when you wrote the above, we will take your word for it, when you are thru dancing this two options below NEED a RESPONSE;

am happy because as it is u dont have any thing to refute all my points. this is a sign that you have seen the truth in all i have said. but i understand how hard it is for you to accept that your points have been defeated. its called ego .

vedaxcool: Word of advice when people begin ignoring you on NL it means two things, you are either perceive as being too idiotic/incapable of reasoning or too dishonest to discuss anything with! And unfortunately for you one of the two applies hence nobody waste his time with you anymore!

this is just a sign that you are afraid of being defeated. why would someone not dare answer sincere questions except ofcos because either they have nothing to say or they know they could easily be defeated.

[clue: if someone asks stupid questions you simply answer the person to expose the persons folly. where you cant succesfully do this then am afraid you are the person in folly as folly can not contest wisdom]

tintingz: Op should answer this question...

Was Jesus Crucified On A
Cross, Pole, Or Stake?
http://nairaland.com/1162765/jesus-crucified-cross-pole-stake

The bible also said Jesus was hang on a TREE?!!

bros you can do better than this na. is this ur best response to the op. this is shameful really.

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR. YOU FEED YOUR BODY WITH FOOD, WEALTH, S-E-X, SOCCER, WHATEVER CARNAL THING YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT BRINGS JOY TO YOUR FLESH

i dont get how stubborn u cud be on this.

you cannot do without food but you can do without wealth.(poor people still live) Jesus is saying that thing you think that is so essential for you to be alive[food] is not only what you need to be alive. you also need the word because the word brings life.

if we were to follow your interpretation. Jesus would be saying that thing that you think that is so essential for you to be alive[wealth] is not only what you need to be alive. you also need the word.
but as it is wealth is not essential for someone to be alive as poor people still live.


all those things you mentioned up there. man can still live without them but man can not live without food. i dont know how to explain this for you again o. but know that you wrong. by misinterpreting this.

i still stand on the fact that Gods spirit cannot lead someone to death(absence of the word). the word is life. if someone beleives in the the word he has eternal life. if the word leads to life. then absence of the word leads to death. i dont see the holyspirit leading someone to death for any reason whatsoever.

the real interpretation would be Jesus fasted from food seeing that man shall not live by food alone but needs to feed his spirit. now how do you feed your spirit. you feed your spirit with the word of life and not by fasting from it. this is exactly wat Jesus went to do. to feed his body with the word and not to abstain from it.

by the time he was done. the devil came to appeal to his need of food. what he did was to reiterate what his purpose was.

salaam aleikun

obadiah777: @ DESIKA. HOW DO I INTERPRETE THIS YOU ASKED >> "Man shall not live by bread ALONE but every word that comes from the Lord" << MEANS YOU HAVE TWO COMPONENTS TO YOU. SPIRIT AND BODY. YOU CANT FEED AND SATISFY ONLY YOUR BODY. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FEED THE SPIRIT WITH THE WORD

what do you feed your body with boy..is it wealth.no(according to u bread means wealth)
you feed your body with food(bread).. so Jesus is saying this

YOU CANT FEED AND SATISFY ONLY YOUR BODY. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FEED THE SPIRIT WITH THE WORD

the devil was asking Jesus to turn stones into food and not wealth seeing he was hungry

you have to be consistent bro. if the bread in my question means food meant for body then bread in your op means food too

obadiah777: @ DESIKA. HOW DO I INTERPRETE THIS YOU ASKED >> "Man shall not live by bread ALONE but every word that comes from the Lord" << MEANS YOU HAVE TWO COMPONENTS TO YOU. SPIRIT AND BODY. YOU CANT FEED AND SATISFY ONLY YOUR BODY. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FEED THE SPIRIT WITH THE WORD

what do you feed your body with boy..is it wealth.no(according to u bread means wealth)
you feed your body with food(bread).. so Jesus is saying this

YOU CANT FEED AND SATISFY ONLY YOUR BODY. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FEED THE SPIRIT WITH THE WORD

the devil was asking Jesus to turn stones into food and not wealth seeing he was hungry

you have to be consistent bro. if the bread in my question means food meant for body then bread in your op means food too

obadiah777: @ DESIKA. HOW DO I INTERPRETE THIS YOU ASKED >> "Man shall not live by bread ALONE but every word that comes from the Lord" << MEANS YOU HAVE TWO COMPONENTS TO YOU. SPIRIT AND BODY. YOU CANT FEED AND SATISFY ONLY YOUR BODY. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FEED THE SPIRIT WITH THE WORD

what do you feed your body with boy..is it wealth.no(according to u bread means wealth)
you feed your body with food(bread).. so Jesus is saying this[/quote]YOU CANT FEED AND SATISFY ONLY YOUR BODY. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FEED THE SPIRIT WITH THE WORD[/quote]the devil was asking Jesus to turn stones into food and not wealth seeing he was hungry

you have to be consistent bro. if the bread in my question means food meant for body then bread in your op means food too

obadiah777: BUT YOU ERR. I DO NOT PULL OUT INTERPRETATIONS FROM THIN AIR. WITHIN THE SAME BIBLE, THE INTERPRETATIONS ARE THERE. YOU JUST HAVE TO LINK THEM UP PRECEPT FOR PRECEPT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU READ A VERSE LIKE THIS
ISAIAH 14 VS 8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. <<< NOW SOMEONE LIKE YOU WOULD READ A VERSE LIKE THIS AND THINK THE LORD IS SO FULL OF MIRACLE THAT HE MADE A TREE TALK. NOW IF I TOLD YOU THE TREES ARE ACTUALLY HUMANS, YOU WOULD ACCUSE ME OF JUST METAPHORICALLY PULLING INTERPRETATIONS OUT OF THIN AIR. HOWEVER IN THE SAME BIBLE LIES ALL THE ANSWERS TO EVERY SYMBOLISM. >>>> MARK 8 VS 24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking
TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU ALL MY METAPHORICAL INTERPRETATIONS ARE PRECEPT FOR PRECEPT IN SCRIPTURES. ITS CALLED BEING WELL STUDIED TO SHOW MYSELF APPROVED

agreed. all am saying is that the bible is also literal as well as symbolic. if you muddle up symbolic interpretations into literal you may be missinng the message..

CAMEROONPRIDE: Stop bombing us that's all, we don't really care about Islam or knowing what islam is .stop the bombings and the "religion shoving" and everything will b fine

sam4xadams: I think nairaland.com or who ever moderating this forum is anti Christians. What ever you like ban me. Am not for recruit for dam brainwashed or tying bomb on my waist.

Paschal007: Like seriously you guys expects yours faithfully to read all these boring epistles? At topic you want muslims to teach me islam so i become a muslim? To be honest Islam really has nothing to offer me except maybe when my future wife fvcks up i can legally cheat on her with clear conscience by bringing in 3 extra women women. But of course you know that's not gonna happen so i think i'll pass.

like seriously did you guys read through the thread.....

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PROGRESS REPORT

I have been able to show that muslims dont engage reasoning when they make statements such as the one in the op. they dont discover that they rope themselves and display folly..

2. i have been able to describe who a christian is to Mr. Ved.(A christian is one who believes that Jesus is the christ and follows him)

3. i have been able to show Ved why he should not beleive in and use the book of barnabas to demostrate any point. (one its not a christian authored book as he didnt believe that Jesus is the christ and it erroneously states that Muhammed is the christ whereas Muhammad didnt make this claim)

4.. i have been able to explain to LagosShia that Alleluyah means "praise God" derived from Allelu + Yah and not Allaluya as his islamic teachers tell him. you dont twist hebrew words into arabic.

5. i have been able to show that the quran agrees that there was a crucifixion and that the crucified looked like Jesus

6.. i have been able to show that the quran lied when it says Jesus did die on the cross. with only a small reasoning you will find out that Muhammed who was not in the vicinity of Jesus ministry in Isreal.. he lived in far away land. could not have been able to know what truly happen.. and so can and should not be trusted..

7..i have been able to show that if you say Jesus said Allah on the cross... then you have just said that Jesus was on the cross. for how wud he had said something on the cross and not be on the cross

8. i have been able to demonstrated that Jesus could not have called Allah as Allah is an arabic word and Jesus didnt speak arabic..
9. finally the bible records that Jesus died on the cross..this is what motivated the early disciples to stake their lives for the spread of the gospel as the resurrection of Jesus was so real to them as their nose is to them.

i want to say that i appreciate all of your inputs..I am glad to have had this opportunity to enlighten you..

the truth is wat i bring... now its left for you to accept it..

and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free

Salaam aleikun

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nagoma: Thank you for you patience brother Ayenny02. But this fellow deSlika is not worth your time. He is not out to learn but to ridicule and enhance hatred. His religion of 3 gods cannot answer even one of similar questions. You are too good for him.

is this all you have to say. not even one proof that islam existed before Muhammed.

my dear, if islam did not exist before Muhammad.. it means Adam. Abraham, Moses etc were not muslims. and if this is true. then Muhammad and Allah lied to you.

question why do you keep believing a lie..

......bro, you are welcome to the world of truth.

nagoma: Thank you for you patience brother Ayenny02. But this fellow deSlika is not worth your time. He is not out to learn but to ridicule and enhance hatred. His religion of 3 gods cannot answer even one of similar questions. You are too good for him.

is this all you have to say. not even one proof that islam existed before Muhammed.

......you are welcome to the world of truth.

vedaxcool: Mr. Liar This two options are the only way you can unpin the term liar from your surname:



Your words are your burden alone not mine! Q. E. D

hehehe
now my friend do you agree that your quran says
1. there was a crucifixion
2. the person dat was crucified looked like Jesus

why am i asking you sef. you will definitely not answer.
it was my pleasure presenting truth to you. it was my pleasure explaining your quran to you.(as i write this am dancing. happy that i am making some progress. notice how others ran away.)

lanrexlan: Thanks for your comment,

you are welcome

lanrexlan: to your first one you said we muslims do face the kabba when and that signifies that ALLAH is not everywhere and ALLAH is in the kabba,Let me correct that error of yours brother,we face the kabba in prayer because ALLAH instructed us to do so,if there is a group of muslims and they are about to pray,some will say let's face the east,some may say south,some may say west and some may even say north.So because of there's unity in islam and our lord(ALLAH) is one,so we all face the same direction.

facing anywhere is not significant as far as you know that whatsoever direction you face you have Gods attention. why would direction of prayers cause disunity. fact is GOD IS EVERYWHERE. and as such you can face ANYWHERE.
I was trying to point out to you that this Kabba u are facing was used to worship pagan gods.

lanrexlan: To the 2nd point you raised,the kabba was the place all the 300 idols were kept,i agreed with you when prophet muhammed(pbuh) came and became a prophet he destroyed all leaving none behind,

now thats what am trying to point to you. you have evidence that idols were worshipped but you dont have evidence of Abraham building the mosque, its best an assumptionn. except you can prove it.

lanrexlan: how can ALLAH be an idol when my lord(ALLAH) is not an inanimate object? Subhanallah.Before islam conquered the city of makkah,the pagans of makkah used to go round the kabba in a naked state but islam conquered makkah,islam demolished it if we are practising a paganistic act,why are we not circumambulating the kabba in a naked state

my dear, you are still circumambulating and that is a pagan act in itself as pagans did it.

lanrexlan: And even the kabba was built by abraham(pbuh) a prophet,a muslim he prayed in the kabba as a muslim,

evidence pls

lanrexlan: but due to change in time disbelief set in into makkah,but when prophet muhammed(pbuh) came,the house of ALLAH became a place of worship for ALLAH alone,and disbelief was eradicated.

. it has always been idolatrous from time immemorial..disbelief did not set in guy. as it is there is noevidence of people praying in a mosque, engaging the five pillars of islam before Mohammed.

lanrexlan: That's why non muslims are not allowed to go near the kabba.Kabba is a the first place of worship on earth,not an object of worship.

lie. if Adam was a muslim where did he worship.. if Abraham built the first place of worship that means Adam was not a muslim as he didnt have a Kabba to worship. but you say he is a Muslim. Can you do yourself a favour and stop spinning yourself into lies. its not helping you..[/quote]

lanrexlan: Lastly,the black can neither harm the muslims nor benefit us,muslims just kissed because prophet muhammed(pbuh) kissed it,

you do what you cant explain why its been done. what else defines blindly following than this. Kissing is a sign of affection.. you kiss what you admire or love... when Muhamed kissed the stone. he was showing affection,. admiration. worship for the stone. and guess wat the stone was an idol/god..

lanrexlan: the call for prayer(adhan) was made on it,no idol worshipper will never stand on its idol,not possible.If the black stone is an idol then we muslims should be bowing to it(nauosubillah)but we never bow,bow only to ALLAH....Salam

does not remove the fact that the stone was an idol/god..

obadiah777: ALL THE VERSES YOU HAVE QUOTED STILL SUPPORTS MY POINT. SO I DONT GET WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. LIKE I SAID, A FAST IS GOING AGAINST WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO. FOR CHRIST, HE NORMALLY TEACHES AND EATS SCRIPTURES. HE STOPPED DOING THAT TO PREPARE FOR TEMPTATION. IF YOU ARE A WICKED PERSON WHO IS ACCUSTOMED TO DOING WICKEDNESS 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR ? A FAST TO YOU WILL BE NOT TO DO WICKEDNESS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD. SEE IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. YOU STILL NOT MADE ANY POINT YET

To your post
If you are to interprete bread to be wealth and stone to be words how do you interprete this line "Man shall not live by bread ALONE but every word that comes from the Lord"

I understand the verse to say that bread (food) being essential to life is not to be taken(lived by) alone but in conjunction with the word.

Now can we say we can read "wealth" as being essential to life[poor people still survive]. Can we live by wealth in conjunction with the word.

Secondly
you cannot say that the holyspirit lead Jesus into abstinence from the word and teaching because of the following.

One of the primary function of the holy spirit is to teach us the word( ....Jesus says the comforter shall lead you into all truth.. ). I dont see how the spirit is able lead someone against his(the holyspirit) primary role. Its just like saying the devil can lead someone to read the word of God(the word of God is life) against his primary role of leading men unto death

[Jesus says that "the word that i speak unto you they are spirit and they are life"]

#are you saying the holyspirit is capable of leading Gods people into abstaining from studying and spreading Gods word.. That looks like the role of the devil to me. as he will do anything to keep us away from the word of life

So you see the heresy you are spreading... If holyspirit can lead people away from studying Gods word [remember Gods word brings life. The words that i speak unto you they are spirit and they are life] what else would the devil be doing. Leading unbeleivers to study Gods word..

If the holy spirit can lead Jesus to a place of abstaining from the word(life). That means the holy spirit has now started leading people to death(absence of the word(life))

WATCH WHAT YOU SAY

Bro Obadiah, i can see you are a man of much scripture for this i must commend you..
But i must say that you do err when you insist on metaphorically interpreting the whole scripture.
Agreed, some scriptures can be interpreted symbolicaly but you must know that where the literal applies. The direct literal interpretation should be used..
How do you metaphorically interprete "in the begining God created the world". My point is that literel verses should be read to be literal..

I also wonder why you interprete your "black" verses literally and choose to interprete the rest metaphorically

[my humble advise: where the bible can be read literally it should be read as such. Whereas those areas that are impossible to making meaning of literally such as in the book of daniel should be read symbolically. That being said, wisdom is needed in the interpretation of the scripture as i very well understand that some literal readings can also be interpreted synbolically. But it doesnt necessarily negate the literal reading]

reminds me of President Jonathan's 'i dont give a damn' speech.

My people say 'fowl does not run in d day time for nothing'

question is wat is the underlieing cause of all this muslim involved violence. Are the boko boys oppressed too by the christians they bomb

ayenny02: See below for evidence Allah appears in the Bible and the tetragrammaton from which the pressumed word "Jehovah" is formed also appears in the Quran.

http://www.institutealislam.com/what-is-his-name-by-sheikh-ahmed-deedat/

"Jehovah" is a pressumption from the tetgrammaton or "four letters" (YHWH) by injecting vowels. Those four letters are not articulated, also,if you search deep you will know that the tetgrammaton (YHWH) is not a word but an adjective phrase refering/describing the uniqueness to/of the One Almighty God who is Unseen. YHWH refers to "He that is Present" or "Oh He (who is)" in literal arabic and hebrew.the tetragrammaton can also be found in the Holy Quran in several places by the phrase "Qul HoWaH Allahu" which means "Say He is Allahu"!

the prefix,"YA" is an exclamation in semitic languages meaning "Oh".if you add "Ya" to "HoWaH" it becomes "YaHoWaH" (YHWH).

"HoWaH"="He is"!


so YaHoWah = "Oh He (who is)".

what hapens is simply injecting vowels into the letters (YHWH) in order to make the letters pronounceable.

see my friend, if you say that Ya means Oh and Howah can stand alone as yu did in qul Howah then dat leaves us with HWH. D last time i checkd we were discussing about YHWH and not HWH.

And again if we were to follow yur line of reasoning then Yahsua which means Yahweh saves wud then mean 'Oh saves'



i now see the source of your many claims... that website is full of deception. i will show them to u wen next i post..

maclatunji: I don't have time for you now. You are one-dimensional and will keep repeating the same lines even when given answers.

no i will accept if ur answer is reasonable and correct. i am one dimensional to you because i try to keep to d essence of my threads and seive off irrelevant bla bla bla. so am waiting for u. trust me i will tell you if your answer is correct.. i will also tell u if its not correct.
salaam

to accept what

to accept that the quran says that
1. there was a crucifixion
2. the person crucified looked liked Jesus to his killers
3. the bible says the person crucified was Jesus to his killers.

Salaam aleikun

vedaxcool: So Mr. Liar you have two options,

1. Invalidate your earlier statement, confirming how "intelligent" you actually are!

2. Stick to your word and Accept the consequences, you cannot have it both ways!

i tried to repeat myself to u so u dont miscontrue me. but thats exactly wat u did. but i will explain again..

Muslims say Jesus did not die on the cross.
Muslims say Jesus said Allah on that cross[meaning he was on the cross]
deSika is confused and wants to know which one is it
desika asks did Jesus die on the cross or he did not die..
[if he died on cross then he wud have said Allah. if he did not die on the cross then he didnt say Allah]
Vedaxcool says it was Judas that died thus supporting islam first point above.
Vedaxcool uses Book of Barnabas to support his points. [if he didnt trust this book he wud not carry it..]
desika tries to explain to Ved that even the quran does not flow with him[what wud he have used to show you that the quran does not flow with you. defintely not his maths text book..to show u.. he has to bring the quran to you..can he be said to believe in the quran. NO. d only reason he opened the quran was to show you that ur quran agrees with the bible on one part but does not agree with the bible on the other. ]

but in your case you opened a book that does not have a binding on me. you quoted it. u believed it intoto.

i showed u where the quran [a book that has a binding on u] agrees and where it does not. i definitely can not belive somthing that says two opposing things.
while in your case you swallowed everything..

i dont know how else to explain it to you again o.
u like grasping at unimportant things sha..

now this is the important thing here.
if as you say Judas impersonated Jesus. it therefore leavs us with the option that Jesus did not say Allah in the bible..

but after all my explanations on how the quran supports the crucifixion and you still go on beliveing that Jesus did not die on the cross. i would leave you in your folly. but i will be glad about the opportunity given me to explain to you and only hope that you come to realise ahah not realise for you have already realised it but to accept it.
salaam aleikun

finally, another muslim. u are welcome bro

lanrexlan: @Desika,I can see the level of your reasoning is not that high,you are just an anti islamic guy,no problem.

no. am onnly here to show the truth. you guys have to come out from all this ur anti islam accusations and discuss

lanrexlan: To your question,firstly what's the meaning of an idol? An idol as defined by the collins oxford dictionary said 'a material or an object,especially carved image that is worshipped as god'.You said prophet muhammed(pbuh) destroyed all the idols at kabba(agreed),but left the kabba,the black stone,ALLAH,the circumambulation. Firstly,is ALLAH an object? The answer is capital NO,ALLAH is a living being the absolute,the eternal,secondly circumambulation is an act of moving round a thing,how can that be an idol? Think before you talk.Thirdly the kabba is a house of worship built by abraham(pbuh) not an idol of worship.Lastly,the black stone is the place when abraham(pbuh) stood on when he first made the call of worship to the whole of mankind.One of the companion of the prophet reported that 'I saw MUHAMMAD(pbuh)kissing the black stone,that's why I also kissed it can never benefit me nor harm me.During the early years of islam,people do stand on the black stone and make the call for prayer(adhan),now tell who amongst the idol worshippers will ever stands on its idol and make the call? The answer is none.No muslim ever worship the kabba nor black stone.The kabba is the qiblah(prayer's direction) and the act of circumambulating around the kabba signifies that we muslims worship only one ALLAH.

if you notice i use the word idol, idolatrous, gods, pagan interchangeably. truth is that when pagans were worshipping other idols/gods Allah was one of them. that is a fact. what Mohammed did was to eliminate the other gods. leaving Allah.

i didnt say Kabba is idol. the Kabba was the exact building used for worshipping idols/gods.. if you destroy the idols you should also destroy the building were they were worshipped..

the blackstone is an idol.. read ayennyo2's post here

ayenny02: Later generations lost track of the reasons why stones were originally venerated and the Quraysh were happy to worship stone idols just like the people were doing in surrounding countries.

the blackstone is one of them.
and read this one

read this One day when the Quraysh had assembled on a feast day to venerate and circumambulate the idol to which they offered sacrifices, this being a feast which they held annually, four men drew apart secretly and agreed to keep their counsel in the bonds of friendship. They were Waraqa b.Naufal, Ubaydullah b.Jahsh, whose mother was Umayma d.'Abdu'l Muttalib, Uthman b.al- Huwayrith and Zayd b.'Amr. They were of the opinion that their people had corrupted the religion of their father Abraham, and that the STONE they went round was of no account, it could neither hear nor see, nor hurt nor help. ``Find yourselves a religion,'' they said, ``for by God you have none.'' So they went their ways seeking the ``Hanaffiya'' -- the religion of Abraham." (Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, tr. Guillaume, p. 99)

This people were talking to pagans. guess wat moslems are still doing this very pagan act. yes circumbulation is a pagan act

the kabba is the qiblah(prayer's direction) and the act of circumambulating around the kabba signifies that we muslims worship only one ALLAH.

fact Kabbah was a place of idol worship. questionnn for you is God not everywhere why face only one direction. it seems to me that your Allah is only in Kabba.

the act of circumambulating was used by pagans my dear around the Kabba. so wats the difference between you annd the pagans. you are still doing what the pagans did. and as such i can say you are a pagan..

ayenny02: There are so many sects, cults, religions, philosophies, and movements in the world, all of which claim to be the right way or the only true path to God. How can one determine which one is correct or if, in fact, all are correct?

The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah.

my dear name does not determine authencity of islam. Its the rituals am tryin to show u dat they are idolatrous. If dat is authentic 2 u den u r on ur own

d jews are offsprings of Abraham. Abraham is the father of the jews. Pls answer my questions. Show me where Abraham, Adam, moses engaged d 5 pillars of islam

ayenny02: thank God that you accepted that you lied

am sori boy. I did not lie. I even went to islamic sites and got same tin. So it seems u r d one lieing. Do me a favor show me your source

vedaxcool: Laugh in cantonese if need be , Gospel of Barnabas was written by christians or so called followers of Jesus, yes they are true christians as a catholic is a heretic to a protestant, and vice versa! so once again blame your christian sources for your own confusion not me or any other muslim

You are not willing to take corrections thats your problem.. I just gave a characteristic of christians and u just shelved it off just like that. But as i usually do. Let me reiterate my point to you.
A CHRISTIAN is someone who believes that Jesus is the CHRIST and follows him.. Thats why its called CHRISTianity. Anybody that says Jesus is not the CHRIST is not a christian. Therefore the book of barnabas is not a christian authored book for the simple reason that it does not acknowledge Jesus as the Christ.

so many people dont believe that Jesus is the christ, but they respect him as a great teacher. You cant call them christians..

vedaxcool: and reality hits back, the bolded I understand you to clearly mean that you accept and believe the Qur'an to be Fact since you use it to support your points right?

I dont believe the quran to be facts. If you notice my threads.. They are all asking questions based on what muslims and the quran says. Theyve always been "if the quran says this, why is this like this" i use it to gather more information...

vedaxcool: Good now acquaint yourself with the following facts written in the Qur'an:

Jesus is NOT THE SON OF GOD
Jesus LORD is Allah

Jesus was never a burden upon his mum and respectful of her and his elders

Allah rejects the lie of having any son




Jesus denies the lies and falsehood. Of christianity upon him
Jesus foretells Muhammad
Jesus was not crucified

Bro. All these are lies you are believing. Answering you is tantamount to derailing my thread..one reason is that Mohamed never met Jesus, and could not possibly know ANYTHING about him.

It baffles me that you believe someone who was neither in isreal nor was alive in the period of Jesus... And ignore people who were in the vicinity of Jesus activities and people who knew him. Even if you want to argue that the writers are unknown to you..but they are more reliable because they lived in israel. They lived in the period of Jesus activies. Some of them knew the people that walked with Jesus. I would rather trust these people than trust someone who stays in faraway saudi arabia and lived centurys after Jesus ministry. Common sense would tell you this.

vedaxcool: Hahaha your own words are clear, since you use the Qur'an to support your points it means YOU Believe the Qur'an to be FACT! We hope your words have value to you, the above was taken from the Qur'an and you must by YOUR OWN WORDS accept what Jesus truly by the Qur'an you believe to be Fact, Jesus is a messenger of Allah, who rejects everything christianity have come to symbolize . . ., you really provide comic effect every time we meet, lets' do it sometime again!

again i dont believe the quran to be fact..uhn. I use it to ask you questions because you revere it to draw up conclusions..my conclusions ends up not favoring ur line of reasoning or the qurans. (for example i say the quran says someone who looked like Jesus was crucified and you say that no Jesus was crucified) i just used the quran to show you that you dont even follow it and dont understand it. I dont use it to potray christian doctrines.. because it goes against it.. I use it to show you where you are wrong. In this case that the quran agrees that a Jesus was crucified but not the real Jesus. How wud i believe that it was not the real Jesus that was crucified.

I am repeating myself to make mysef clear to you.
I use the quran on you to help you see the fault in your wrong reasoning..i wud not beleive the quran becos it does not agree with me. U agree wit it.. But u dont folow it. That is wat i am trying to show u..if you follow the fact that the quran says a Jesus was crucified it will lead u back to the truth of the bible that Jesus was crucified. Coupled with the fact that if you engage your reasoning faculty a little you would see that changing someones face does not make sense since God would have still being able to rescue the real Jesus by not allowing his killers to get access to him.

FACT is your quran says
1.they wanted to kill Jesus
2. They killed someone and that someone looked like Jesus.(actually the person is Jesus according to 4 gospels)
3. But the lie is that God changed the appearance of Judas to Jesus to protect Jesus.

Why is this a lie..
so many reasons but i will just drop some common sense ones which are
*that God wud have been able to protect Jesus by making the jews to like Jesus and as such no need to kill him..
*he would have been able to tell Jesus to run away by night before his killers even gave killing a thought..
*he wud have made it possible for Jesus to be a untouchable so that when they touched him they only moved their hands in the air.

you really provide comic effect every time we meet, lets' do it sometime again!

#the thing is that i want you to see the truth but you end up being amused which is unfortunate.

may i submit that you rename this thread "how somalis look"
or better still
"Somalis are not arabs they are Somalis"
or
"The beauty of Somalis and their dna"

SMH SMH SMH

ayenny02: the problem u have is that u dont understand arabic and also you copied from anti-islam website, dont worry this is arabic and english translate below:
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you may have to give me the source of your translation.


this is from an islamic site www.gowister.com/sahihbukhari-7-407.html

Book 67: Hunting, Slaughtering
Hadith 407 (Volume 7)

Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said that he met Zaid bin 'Amr Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah's Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah's Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin 'Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), "I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stonealtars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah's Name has been mentioned on slaughtering."

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this is from an islamic site
www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=67&translator=1&start=19&number=402

407 Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said that he met Zaid bin 'Amr Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah's Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah's Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin 'Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), "I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stonealtars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah's Name has been mentioned on slaughtering."

so what are you saying. bro

ayenny02: the problem u have is that u dont understand arabic and also you copied from anti-islam website, dont worry this is arabic and english translate below:

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا فُضَيْلُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ، حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا سَالِمُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، رضى الله عنهما أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَقِيَ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرِو بْنِ نُفَيْلٍ بِأَسْفَلِ بَلْدَحَ، قَبْلَ أَنْ يَنْزِلَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْوَحْىُ فَقُدِّمَتْ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم سُفْرَةٌ، فَأَبَى أَنْ يَأْكُلَ مِنْهَا ثُمَّ قَالَ زَيْدٌ إِنِّي لَسْتُ آكُلُ مِمَّا تَذْبَحُونَ عَلَى أَنْصَابِكُمْ، وَلاَ آكُلُ إِلاَّ مَا ذُكِرَ اسْمُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ‏.‏ وَأَنَّ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرٍو كَانَ يَعِيبُ عَلَى قُرَيْشٍ ذَبَائِحَهُمْ، وَيَقُولُ الشَّاةُ خَلَقَهَا اللَّهُ، وَأَنْزَلَ لَهَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ الْمَاءَ، وَأَنْبَتَ لَهَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ، ثُمَّ تَذْبَحُونَهَا عَلَى غَيْرِ اسْمِ اللَّهِ إِنْكَارًا لِذَلِكَ وَإِعْظَامًا لَهُ‏.‏ .

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: The Prophet met Zaid bin \'Amr bin Nufail in the bottom of (the valley of) Baldah before any Divine Inspiration came to the Prophet. A meal was presented to the Prophet but he refused to eat from it. (Then it was presented to Zaid) who said, "I do not eat anything which you slaughter in the name of your stone idols. I eat none but those things on which Allah's Name has been mentioned at the time of slaughtering.

ok. wronngly translated. i take that one back. i will check further. but thats just one of all i have said

whu is Abraham?
what a question
Abraham is a man. father of isaac and ishmael. married to sarai
i am answering your questions pls return the favour and answer mine

after you have done this pls answer my op in clear terms. thank you