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@ lanrexlan
if they were expecting a prophet from outside country do you ask yourself why they wud be asking their fellow jews whether they were that prophet.

2. permit me to ask u dis question i have been asking Vedaxcool.

is Mohammed similar to Jesus as in Johns gospel or not similar to him as in Deutronomy

3. among thy brethren would mean among your brothers. which means among yourselves. but even if one were to follow your logic the brothers of Isreal (Jacob) would be Esau and not Ishmael. Ishmael would be the brethren of Isaac. that means distant relations to Isreal

4. in addition to above. pls compare the following.

Deuteronomy 17:15 King James Version (KJV)
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one , from among thy brethren , shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. <<

Deuteronomy 18:18 King James Version (KJV)
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren , like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

so tell me the king from among thy brethren is he supposed to come from outside Isreal

talk2me006: thanks for that! at least u call my name for the first time!

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funny dude

talk2me006: pls can u tell me where muhammad says that?

you want me to school you on your religion. i will gladly do just that
[3:46] When the angels said, 'O Mary, God gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the MESSIAH , Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
[5:76] The MESSIAH, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely Messengers like unto him had passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.

[9:31] They have taken their priest and their monks for lords besides Allah. And so have they taken the MESSIAH, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Holy is He far above what they associate with Him!

so my dear, that book cannot be trusted as it misses out on this important issue of who the messiah is

talk2me006: then, if barnabas say jesus is the lord( as you christian believe) will u not believe in barnabas?

even the devil knows Jesus is lord

talk2me006: but what of paul that believe in barnabas;
read here:

Paul describing Barnabas as:

" . . . . Barnabas, touching whom ye received commandments (commandments of Jesus); if he comes unto you, receive him." (Colossians 4:10)

bros! that mean paul is not a gud christian for believing in barnabas.for this reason you should not believe in paul also

i ask you again. na only one person dey answer baranabas. how can show that this barnabas is the one Paul is talking about. the baranabas of the bible was an assistant of Paul. they went to places together to preach. there is no way the real Barnabas would say something opposite what Paul says. if they had opposing views of Jesus there is no way they wud go together to preach one message

bros na lie! even if jesus tell u that face to face you will not believe. this is beacause thre still many things that jesus preaches that you dont follow.

hehehe Jesus no go fit talk two opposing things na. after he has said "no one cometh to the father EXCEPT BY ME he will now turn around and say we should follow another prophet. not the Jesus i know



thanks

you talktoome shud understand the following
1. book of barnabas is a fraud for many reasons but i will just tell you one. aand you should not trust it.
¤Muhammad says that Jesus is the messiah yet book of Barnabas says Muhammad is the Messiah

2. i dont believe the book of barnabas because i dont believe any book just like that. i dont believe the book of mormons. i dont believe the books of budha, i dont believe the books of satanists, i dont beleive in book of barnabas as it is not a christian book.

3. if the bible which i hold as authority tells me that Jesus says i shud expet one Muhammad then i wud be going with you. but as it is you are bringing a book that is equivalent to the book of satanists to me and ofcos as i have explained above they are not binding on me.

talk2me006: we knew that bros!
justice has been done to all your post.
we only need u to alert us if u have a new topic.
thanks

justice ko justice ni
keep amusing yourself

now i wud advise you to settle down and go over the op

JESUS WAS TELLING DECIPLES ABOUT THE COMING OF MUHAMMAD BECAUSE HE BELIEVE DECIPLE CAN SPREAD THE NEWS TO OTHER PEOPLE

wrong bro
Jesus was about to leave his disciples. they had hopes on that Jesus was the leader theyve been waiting for. Now dis leader is about to leave unexpectedly. they would be discouraged and give up hope on Jesus. they would not be able to talk about Jesus now that he would be gone. Jesus seeing this tells them that hey guys dont worry someone to strenthen you will come to YOU. as you had your hopes on me you will have hopes in him and as such will never be ashamed or anxiuos or afraid to have been associated with me. you will depend on him for insight just as you depend on me.

if this comforter did not come to these disciples whom Jesus was leaving. who were going to feel the loneliness as a result of Jesus departure. then Jesus must be a false prophet. how else do i explain it for you.

the comforter applies to the first disciple as well as it applies to present day disciples.


#my friend its not about what i subsribe to. but about understanding what the text really says. if Muhammad is the comforter then he must need do and be all that the comforter was supposed to do according to the texts

Shalom

talk2me006: oga! how did i get a huge problem?
Is it because i didnt subcribe your point of belief in confused gods(trinity) or on your belief that prophet muhammad is not a last prophet.

read here: 'Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things. quran 33:40

now, let me tell you, now matter how you twisted the preaching of prophet muhammad forcast by jesus (pbuh), the fact still remain that MUHAMMAD IS THE LAST PROPHET AND YOU MUST BELIEVE IN HIS MESSAGE OF ISLAM FOR YOU INHERIT THE PARADISE.



SO you mean, we should assumed that all the teaching of jesus to deciples are only to apply within the disciple location not even NIGERIA AND ALL OTHER PLACES APART FROM ISRAEL.THEN WHY ARE U PREACHING CHRISTIAN BELIEF IN NIGERIA.

JESUS WAS TELLING DECIPLES ABOUT THE COMING OF MUHAMMAD BECAUSE HE BELIEVE DECIPLE CAN SPREAD THE NEWS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

INFACT I EVEN SHOW YOU MANY VERSES FROM GOSPEL OF BARNABAS SHOWING COMING OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND U DIDNT BELIEVE IN GOSPEL OF BARNABAS.WAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY.NOW I JUST SHOW U QURANIC VERSES THAT CONFIRM MY BELIEF.




HOW WILL I CONTINUE TO REPEAT MY ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTION SEVERAL TIMES AFTER MY ANSWERS HAS SUMMARIZE ALL YOUR POINTS.


HOW DID YOU THROWN MORE LIGHT , SHOW ME HOW ? IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO REMAIN IN YOUR OWN DECEPTION AND STOP GETTING ANGRY IF SOMEONE DOES NOT SUBCRIBE TO YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW.


ENGLISH IS NOT MY FATHER LANGUAGE.MUHAMMAD (PBUH) AND JESUS DO NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH.
YOU THAT UNDERSTAND IT VERY WELL HAVE NOT YET GURANTEED OF PARADISE.YOU ARE STILL IN ILLUSION.


thanks bros!

now you are coming up. atleast i am making some progress with you. this is how you are supposed to respond

you know that i dont run to the quran for any instruction. in the same way i dont run to the book of barnabas for any instruction as they dont have any authority on christians

whereas you attempte: to answer the question you actually dodged it and started saying so i mean that all the Teachings of Jesus should only apply to their location.

i didnt say the above
the question is did Jesus talk to particular set off people
answer= yes
was he with this particular set off people
answer: yes
was he about to leave these set off people
answer: yes
did he promise them a comforter to come to them in particular
answer: yes
did Mohamed come to these set of people in particular
answer=no

again you say
now is jesus disciple restricted to a particular place
the i ask you
the people that Mohamed appeared to were they disciples of Jesus
answer: no [he appeared/came to pagan arabs actually]
so wat are we saying
Mohamed did not come to those particular disciples he also did not come to other disciples else where. do you see it now.

words to ponder on: Jesus says it is expedient that i leave you for if i dont leave you this comforter wont come to you.[who is YOU]
ANSWER= disciples of christ not just anybody. you must be a disciple of christ before the comforter comes to you.

who are the disciples of christ
1. the particular people who accepted Jesus teaching and followed him when he was on earth.
2.the disciples who came after those particular set of disciple who followed Jesus when he was on earth

final word: Jesus comforter must need start with his first disciples. these were the exact people who experienced his departure from them

¤~deSika .showing truth in a commonsense way
Shalom

talk2me006: I HAVE SPOKEN AND THE SAYS HAV BEEN SAID ALREADY.GO BAK AND READ THEM ALLOVER. OR PRAY THAT ALLAH SHOULD OPEN YOUR HEART FOR THE TRUTH.

if someone tell you that youve got a huge problem u will not agree.

i asked a question. Jesus was talking to his disciples about a comforter coming to them because he Jesus is leaving them.

Now did Muhammad come to those disciples after Jesus left them.

you cant answer because in answering you see your folly.

my dear i have done my job to throw more light on this issue i no how difficult it is to see that you guys have missed it. but its left for you to remain inn your deception.

you are clearly on your own o. i dont think you even understand english so i wud just live you to your folly

lanrexlan: Abi jare,ALLAH said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-baqarah 2;18-''They are deaf,dumb and blind,they will never return to the straight path.''
@brother desika and alexis,inform us anytime you open another thread,we are always ready to expose your ignorance about Islam and misconceptions....Peace.

there is no need for that. i already have some threads. you can click on my profile and see the many questions i have been asking. then make ur contributions there

tintingz: Jesus word:


Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


You know the story of Jonah


Jesus doent wanna die so he prayed to God to save him:

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will.


Wait o.... A god that came all over from heaven to die for us will bow to God and prayed for help? he doesnt wanna taste that tea cup of poison(death)

oga how does your post rrelate with my post dat u quoted.

alexis: Let me get this straight. Jesus was crucified and His DEATH and RESURRECTION confirmed by many witnesses; 600 years later, Mohammed came and said someone else was crucified in Jesus place and Jesus never died. WHAT PROOF DOES THE QURAN HAVE ON THIS? Also, who else was put in his place?

permit to answer sir.

its simon of cyrene oops!
no its Judas Iscariot oops!

they just cant stop deceiving themselves

pls see this thread
www.nairaland.com/1271315/dilema-muslims-crucifixion

now that you have shown yourself to be considerate. may i key into the mood of the moment to ask for AMNESTY for some nairalanders wu have been banned.

*winks* pls 4give my olivertwist tendencies

hi Lanrexlan and others. i am particularly interested in this question

Mintayo: d bible passage you are using to validate d quran,is it the original or the lost/corrupted one?)

talk2me006: all what reply to u has summarise all your points

bros ! is like u want to get angry now.
a truth will always a truth.

once again!

I JUST WANT U TO KNOIW THAT YOUR YANSH HAS BEEN EXPOSED HERE TOO.

WITH THE ABOVE POINT, I WILL LIKE YOU TO NOTIFY ME ANY ANYTIME YOU OPEN ANOTHER THREAD FOR YOUR NEW TOPIC ABOUT ISLAM.BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE TO SEE THE WAY PEOPLE OPEN YOUR YANSH.

u hv got a long way to go. u cant even respond to my points SMH

talk2me006: MR DESIKA STOP DECEIVING YOUR SELF! A TRUTH WILL ALWAYS A TRUTH NO MATTER YOU WANT TO MANIPULATE IT.

AFTER PAUL CONFIRM BARNABAS TO YOU! YOU STILL HAVE GUT TO DISOWN BARNABAS JUST BECOS HE DIDNT SUPPORT YOUR DECEPTIVE BELIEF.

READ AGAIN:

P[b]aul describing Barnabas as:

" . . . . Barnabas, touching whom ye received commandments (commandments of Jesus); if he comes unto you, receive him." (Colossians 4:10)[/b]


IF U DIDNT BELIEVE PAUL IN THE ABOVE VERSE WHY DID YOU NOW BELIEVE IN MANY VERSES OF PAUL ON JESUS IN YOUR BIBLE.

I JUST WANT U TO KNOIW THAT YOUR YANSH HAS BEEN EXPOSED HERE TOO.

THANK ALLAH ! YOU DONT HAVE POWER TO HIDE THE POST OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT EXPOSE YOUR YANSH IN THIS FORUM.


WITH THE ABOVE POINT, I WILL LIKE YOU TO NOTIFY ME ANY ANYTIME YOU OPEN ANOTHER THREAD FOR YOUR NEW TOPIC ABOUT ISLAM.BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOVE TO SEE THE WAY PEOPLE OPEN YOUR YANSH.

THANKS BROS!

guy u dont seem intelligent and worthy enough to engage in a discussion with. u need to learn one or two things from Vedaxcool even if he runs away after some time and Lanrexlan. you need to learn how to respond to questions people ask u. did u see how i highlighted your points and answered them. thats wat i expect you to do. Vedaxcool does that thats why i say yu shud learn from him
#u dont seem to be able to think for yourself.. you heavily depend on islamic sites.


#go back highlight my points and respond. am not your normal debater on nnairaland who calls other people names. I ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS

#BY the way na only one person they answer Barnabas for the whole of Isreal. what makes you think that the author of that book is the barnabas Paul was talking about.

#did Muhammad come to the disciples Jesus was promising a comforter.

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just to add
if i may ask you talktome
who is the messiah

Muhammad says the messiah is Jesus while the book of barnabas says the messiah is Mohammad. you believe such an eroneus book at your own detriment.

tiarabubu: I find ironic that some Muslims will seek validation of Prophet Muhammad from the Bible! Its embarrassing really considering some claim that that the Bible is corrupt in one breath and in another quote copiously trying to conjure up Prophet Muhammad's name therein. That these people don't see the contradiction in their action is amusing!

Anyway, this topic has been discussed at some length on this forum, one of which is this one here

https://www.nairaland.com/1009884/why-muslims-think-comforter-jesus

i have discussed with these muslim folks for a while now. i have discovered that most of them dont think for themselves. they engage in self deception, cherry picking and most of themm dont understand english

talk2me006: you need to believe in gospel of barnabas.

i find it interesting that you dont believ the bible but belive in a work of fraud. book of barnabas does not have any binding on me just as the book of mormon does not a binding on me

by the way i see you refused to answer this question
did Muhammad go to the very disciples whom promised a comforter(i no you wunt answer)

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Then God gave his soul to man, while all the holy angels sang: "Blessed be your holy name, O God our Lord." Adam, having sprung upon his feet, saw in the air a writing that shone like the sun, which said: "There is only one God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God." Where

oh now bro. if Adam heard about Muhammad why have you beenn unable to prove that Abraham and Moses who you claim as your prohets did not mention "there is no other God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet" your brothers are busy saying that in the time of Adam they wud be saying "there is no other God but Allah and Adam is his prophet" if Adam knew about Muhamad he wud hav pointed them to Muhamad. hehehe confusion

And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Muhammad;, the Messenger of God, who, when he shall com

so wu is deceiving wu. your Allah is deceiving people to believe something and you have the boldness to attack christians. my friend direct all your preaching to your Allah since he is the one causing and allowing the mocking

#since when did prophets become spirits. do you know what a spirit is. [spirits are unseen beings]

Muhammad came after Jesus and did indeed convict righteousness and judgement, while the Holy Spirit was present the entire time even during the birth of Jesus and his ministry. (Elizabeth in Luke 1:41 and Zechariah in Luke 1:67). If Christians still want to argue that it is indeed the Holy Spirit, then they must admit their bible has been corrupted as there is a clear inconsistency.

my friend did Mohamed go to this same disciples. Jesus did not just say the comforter will come after me at any period. he said the holy spirit will come to the disciples.

the Holyspirit has been in existence. but what you need to understand is this statement " the comforter will come unto YOU" WHO the disciples. was the Holy spirit in the disciples before that time (i no yu wunt ansa)[do u understand english at all] what does you mean

. The comforter was also to reside with us forever. This is in tune with the Quran that Muhammad is the final messenger, the Quran is the final testament,

did you read where the bible says he shall reside in you. you are not being honest to your self.

funny how you believe a book found in turkey where Jesus did not set foot on and disregard books written in the exact vicinity of Jesus ministry. you are definetly not helping ursef. am sure yu wud belive a book found in nigeria if it says Muhamad is the messiah

@smoy
answered by whom
now u need to employ a little reasoning
1. What language is Allah
2. Does everybody in the world speak that language
3. What language does the Israelites speak
4. Is Allah a Hebrew word

u need to be honest with urself and answer these questions

talk2me006: i read evrytin as usual.i ask u again did u read gospel of barnabas pertaining to muhammad(pbuh)?

man ! i always happy if i see people expose ur ignorance.

my friend i have no business with that book just as i have no business with the book of Mormons or a book for astronauts. U need to learn how to answer questions. Wat u do is to evade questions and asks urs. This is not d characteristics of someone worthy of holding a conversation with. So pls ansa my post that u highlighted

[quote
author=vedaxcool]Thank you o jare, there is nothing to it! Always remember they always
argue on faulty logic and . . . empty barrels make the loudest
noise[/quote]runaway soldier. welcome back

[quote
author=lanrexlan]Mr desika,you have been nailed here too.No matter how
it is,truth will always prevail because when truth is hurled against
falsehood,falsehood perishes because falsehood by its nature is bound to
perish,may I join the thread brothers?[/quote]nailed as in how. pls tell me. ofcos u r free to join the thread

obadiah777: I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU READ THE ENTIRE BIBLE AGAIN STARTING WITH THE OLD TESTAMENT. YOU DONT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE AT ALL.

wat a timely response. is dis d best uv gat to say in response to my post.

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, RIGHTLY HANDLING THE WORD OF TRUTH. 2 Tim 2:15 ESV

and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free bro.

CHEERS

so perhaps i cud help yu with the answer to the questions

1. who are the set of people that are liable to be lead away
answer: them that are without(non firstfruit)
Mark 4:11,12 ...but unto them that are without

2. does Jesus fall into the category of the above question.
Answer 1cor 15:23 & 20 refer to above post

CONCLUSION: Jesus falls into the category of firstfruits. and as such can not be among the people whose eyes are blinded or are kept from knowing(fasting from) the word.


i guess dis should settle your problem.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

seems to me that the verse you brought up is even directly implicating Jesus as the firstfruit. that is the first to be risen. now lets consider other translations

English Revised Version But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) This will happen to each person in his own turn. Christ is the first, then at his coming, those who belong to him [will be made alive].

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Each person in his order; The Messiah was the first fruits; after this, those who are The Messiah's at his arrival. GOD'S

New Living Translation (©2007) But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

obadiah777: JESUS IS BEFORE THE FIRST FRUIT.
1 CORINTHIANS 15 VS 23 But every man in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming

quite crafty

which group wud u be likely to put him firstfuit or non firstfuit.

see as you wan take dodge my question.

obadiah777: TIME TO SHUT DOWN YOU TWO SCOFFERS. LET ME BRING IN MY ACE SEEING AS YALL BUCKING UP AGAINST SOUND DOCTRINE. JOEL 1 VS 14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, <<< SANCTIFY YOU A FAST. WHAT IS SANCTIFY ?
sanc·ti·fy (sngkt-f)
tr.v. sanc·ti·fied, sanc·ti·fy·ing, sanc·ti·fies
1. To set apart for sacred use; consecrate.
2. To make holy; purify.
3. To give religious sanction to, as with an oath or vow: sanctify a marriage.
4. To give social or moral sanction to.
5. To make productive of holiness or spiritual blessing. <<<< AS YOU CAN SEE, AND AS I HAVE TOLD YOU TWO REPROBATE SCOFFERS, THE ONLY FAST THAT DRAWS YOU CLOSER TO GOD IS KEEPING YOURSELF FROM EVIL. FASTING FROM EVIL, ALSO CALLED HOLY OR SANCTITY. FOOD DEPRIVATION IS A DOCTRINE OF MAN WHO DIDNT INTERPRET THE SCRIPTURE WELL

your case is a serious one o.
can u atleast do me the favor of answering my questions

the most important of which is IS JESUS A NON FIRST FRUIT and as such qualifies as one wu is kept away from the word OR NOT

obadiah777: HIS FAST OF THE WORDS FOR 40 DAYS ? SCRIPTURE SAID HE WAS LED INTO THE WILDERNESS BY HIS SPIRIT TO GO FAST. SO YES JESUS FELL IN THE ABOVE CATEGORY

pls answer each question

1. does the spirit lead just everyone according to you away.
2. who are the set of people that are liable to be lead away
3. does Jesus fall into the category of the above question.


nb: in ur initial response you said it was the non firstfuits that were blinded/kept from knowing the word. what i want to know is if Jesus is a non firstfruit. dats all.

talk2me006: how did he ran away ?

AFTER HE ANALYSE EVRY STEP OF YOUR IGNORANCE.

MUHAMMAD IS THE COMFORTER.
HOLY SPIRIT CAN NEVA BE A COMFORTER BECOS IT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE BEFORE.
MR MAN YOU LACK POINT.

DID U READ GOSPEL OF BARNABAS AT ALL?

you ask how he ran away.. then go back to his last post and see.

it seems u didnt read the thread from the beginning i would love to advice that yu do.

foodforthought: Jesus was speaking to his 12 disciples about the coming comforter, did Muhammad as the comforter come to these disciples

SMH

Boomark: Now concerning baptism with water which you say is just knowledge, see this:

Jn 3:23
Now john also was baptizing in Aenon near salim, because there was much water there. And they came and were baptized.

Do you see the reason he was baptizing near salim? Does it mean Jesus, v22 and john have to go where there is knowledge before they baptize?

Acts 8:36
Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, "see, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

I think this one should be, "see, here is knowledge."

Baptism is with water my brother. The other one is with the Holy spirit.

100 likes bro. keep em coming.
may God bless you abundantly

and so it was said
truth has come. falsehood has fled away
Mr. Ved this is the second time you are running away from our discuss. first from the comforter thread and now this.

atleast you got to know the truth. Salaam