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deols: At desika, this thread is not for debates. If u want that open a new thread. You can't be wasting people's time when you know d response to expect.

And you can't be claiming the seeker if you wont have an open mind to what they have 2 say

my apologies. but again u answered my questions which gave room for more questions.
#anyways since u consider my offspring questions as debates, derailing and not worth answering on this thread. am gona be asking them indivdually by creating their threads. and i wud oblige u to come answer them there. as uv nt been answering many of my threads. thanks

u no wat. just as uv done here, u can also do likwise in real life offline. start an enlightment campaign, take it to ALL the mosques and media houses including international ones.
yor focal points should be on the clerics, let them know the importance of letting thier congregation know this. and u will begin to see changes

people act on the information they have until a different information is given to them they will continue to act in the same way

so as a sheikh, u will need to make ur stand on dis matter clearer for easy understanding of other people.
choose one of the following positions
1. the quran is complete and has EVERYTHING we need to know(no need for man authored sources again)
2. the quran is not complete becos it contains some information but not all. we need to go to man authored sources to learn how to follow the BEST EXAMPLE(Mohameds life)

thanks as we await ur tutorials

tbaba1234: 1. God tells you that all you need for guidance is the Quran and tells you that the Prophet is the best example to follow... The life of the messenger is recorded in the hadiths.

'Truly, in the Messenger of Allah you have the best example for him who looks unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much' (Surah Ahzab, 33:21

2. Where are the examples of the prophet recorded?? In the hadith... We used the hadith because the Quran told us to do so... Follow the example of the messenger.

Everything needed for guidance is available for those who want to use their heads

Clearly God did not see the prophets lifestyle as important, thats why he did not bother to tell us about it or are u now wiser than God. r the authors of the hadith now wiser than God. [since they r telling us something important wch God did not see as important].
let me say it another way
if God wanted us to learn about Mohammeds life. God wud have written about Mohameds life by himself in the quran. if he did not write about it. then he did not see it as bin important.


u say Mohameds life is the BEST EXAMPLE yet God does nnot tell us anything about that best example

bro u place ur sef in a very dangerous position wen u say the quran advises us to look into other sources (sources not authored by God) for something important

let me explain
it means that God told us d important things we need to know but he left out one important thing that is THE BEST EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW. i can therfore conclude that the quran is not complete since it leaves out one important thing. do now see it

#if u add the missing information then it can now be said to be complete

so we see from Johns gospel wat Jesus is telling his disciples as he is about to leave them. he knew they wud be lonely without him.they wud definitly scatter and go their ways after his departure becos they would have felt betrayed since they believed Jesus was their messiah who has come to deliver them from their oppresors. but now was leaving them just like that.
but Jesus had to leave them. it was part of his mission
so Jesus says unto them. Am leaving yu guys just like that o.common am not that heartless. see am sending u another person who will comfort u just as i have always done with u. someone to accompany u just as i hav always done. someone to teach u just......so u get it.
one important factor in this story is this. JESUS WAS TALKING TO HIS DISCIPLES. yeah, Peter, John and the rest so its only logical that this comforter must come to these guys.

secondly this comforter had attributes wch we cud use to identify him. amongs which are
1. the world cannot see him
2. he will dwell IN the disciples
3. he will abide with u FOREVER

now if the world cannot see him it means he is not physical. for mens eyes have the capability of seeing physical objects. wat cud live in people except non physical beings. and of course humans die only spirits dont.
so apart from the fact that the verse clearly stating the holyspirit we can see from the attributes of this promised personality that he must be a spiritual entity even if we try to ignore the holyspirit clearly spelt out.

but i here u say, the reason why it cant be the spirit is becos the spirit has already bin around and cannot be said to come in a future action.

yes u r correct, the holyspirit has always bin around. but we must read with understanding and not inference for the simple reason that u cud infer wrongly. so lets go to the verse again

John 14:16 says And I will pray the father, and he shall give you another comforter, THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH YOU FOREVER;

ABIDE means to stay with you.
and again we see here

verse 17 Even the spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him. but ye know him; for dwelleth with you, and SHALL BE IN YOU.

The verses tell us that the holy spirit is coming to stay with them permanently and this staying is INSIDE OF THEM. who exactly are we talking about here. ofcourse we are talking about the disciples.

the Holyspirit was not IN the disciples prior to this time. so the future action of the holyspirit coming INTO/INSIDE them is on point.(except u cn show me a permanent indwelling of the holyspirt on these disciples before this time)

now did the holyspirit actually come on them later on. yes lets go to Acts 2.
verse 4 says and they were all filled with the Holyghost...
so there was a promised comforter who is a spirit and there was the actual coming of the promised comforter.

#thanks for ur time. hoping to have more enlightenig discusions with u all in the near future.
remeber, accept the truth when it is shown to u

Stalwert: no response to this right?






Keep avoiding the issues it is getting funnier than I thought yes Jesus said I and My father are I in what context? in purpose but trust Christians and their selective reading:

25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

in essence I and my father are one in purpose

lets read further;

Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’ d ? 35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?


Why did Jesus do all the above explaining!

bro are we still talking about the person of the comforter here.
pls lets not derail the topic. we can start a thread on what Jesus said about himself in relation to God. for now i think iv made some progress with u
that is
my purpose has bin achieved.(i hv bin able to show that the prophet Mohamed is not the comforter) and u hv agreed wt me here

6. Muhammad pbuh was not send in Jesus name that is clear

and here

No Muhammad wasn't sent to the disciples

if the above statements of urs are true, then Mohamed does nnot fit into that verse for the simple reason that the comforter is sent in Jesus name and was sent to Jesus disciples as CLEARLY shown in the verses.

i no how difficult it is to accept this.after somany yrs of beliving otherwise.. but dats what it is THE TRUTH.(dat Mohammed is not the promised comforter)

the truth has come to u. u better receive it pls dnt ignore it.

Stalwert: As indicated earlier not every word stated in the verse are accepted by Muslim, as indicated the bible is distorted severly and there is apple evidence by even Christian scholars that the verse in question have been tampered with! Muhammad is the comforter sent by God, Jesus ios a servant of God.

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30

How would Jesus who sent start getting people sent in his name?

To muslims it is clear that the Jesus would not put himself above his God nor equal to him

i wil be creating athread on ds bible corruption issue soonest.
but again ddnt u no that the bible was corupted when u were reading to know about a prophesied Mohamed in dat corrupted book.

food for thought# if a corrupted book talks about Mohamed, y should i belive any of its corupted stories including the ones about Mohamed{if a book full of lies talks about Mohamed, does dat not mean that this talk about Mohamed is one of its many lies}

and finally the Sheikh arrives. Sir i hav long bin expectin yu. wat do u think abt the op.

tbaba1234: I think it is time to ignore this desika and his questions... He is not here for truth... Some of the questions are just incredibly silly, to be honest. I think, this is truthman using another user name.

is this wat uv got to say abt d op. am a little bit disapointed

#nah am not truthman and pls dont ignore me. the best u cud do is correct my silly/incorrect questions.

i ask questions for two reasons
1. to seek clarity and knowledge
2. in answering my questions, u may see why ur doctrine is wrong.

i am deSika(theSeeker). am not here for argument sake.
i seek to reveal the truth about doctrines of men. if u donot agree with me. the best u can do is to tell me why am wrong.

i try not to make offensive statements

Stalwert: maybe you forgot what you wrote ( funny you ask the same question twice) no need stating your intention over and over agin, you alrady said that before, to the effect that we thought you had fled the scene seeing your points have been debunked:



which i simply pointed out to you;



in essence point 5 is debunked thoroughly. what is really happening here baffles me, either you do not know the point you wrote earlier in you op or you are simply wanting to babble to eternity!

point 5 is not debunked and am not here to babble.
the truth is that u r trying to infer from the passage. but ur inference is wrong. this is ur point
Jesus spoke of a future action that is spirit coming to them yet the spirit is already with them.
the truth is that before this time the spirit did not dwell IN permanently them. so the future action is oncourse. as in the future the spirit will indwell them permanently and do somany other things

Stalwert: No Muhammad wasn't sent to the disciples as Jesus clearly stated they (his disciples) could not bear with the many things the comforter is suppose to teach them.

and of course thats the whole essence of the comforter to teach them.
john 16:12 i have yet so many things to say unto you. but ye canot bear them NOW.
keyword: Now
there is no where in the verse that states they canot bear wat the comforter wud tell them(Future) rather its wat Jesus was GOING to tell them(future),[not had told them(past)] that they cud not bear

Stalwert: No Muhammad wasn't sent to the disciples as Jesus clearly stated they (his disciples) could not bear with the many things the comforter is suppose to teach them.

here again u find ursef agreeing with me. look at it
comforter is to be sent to Jesus disciples becos Jesus is leaving them.
and yu say

Muhammad wasn't sent to the disciples.

Conclusion Mohamed cannot be the comforter
pls read

john 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for YOU that I go away: FOR IF I GO NOT AWAY, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto U
YOU.
who is the YOU in the above verse. ofcourse the disciples

vedaxcool: you have beeen answered before, and it seems whenever your questionhave been debunked thoroughly you ask another one rather than accept that you verbatim quote was badly thought!

dnt make me laugh. me debunked. uv nt debunked even one point from d op

this is wat u said

Muslims uderstand this words to mean the teachings of the next comforter would abide forever,

this is wat the verse says

John 14:16 says And I will pray the father, and he shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you forever.

that HE(THE COMFORTER) may abide with yu forever.
the verse is clear on wu is to abide for ever. its the comforter,d comforter's person(u say d comforter = Muhammed). the verse did not say the comforters teachings may abide with u forever. in this case the verse wud hv read "and he shall give u another comforter WHOSE TEACHINGS will abide with yu forever".

then i asked yu to chose one. since the verse says the comforter is the one to abide forever. is the comforter Mohammed or his teachings.

a. if comforter is Mohamed then Mohamed wud abide forever
b. if comforter is Mohameds teaching then Mohameds teaching wud abide forever.
u
and yu say u debunked the question.no u ddnt

comforter cannot be both Mohamed and Mohameds teachings. it has to be one.I ASKED U TO CHOOSE ONE AND UV NOT DONE THAT YET.

why cant it be his teachings?
because periqlytos means praised one. Mohameds teachings does not mean praised one. at best we can say Praised one's teachings. now the verse says praised one and not praised ones teachings.(and he shall give you another comforter/periclytos/praised one)

secondly, the verse says that HE may abide with yu forever.
teachings cannot be represented wth the pronoun HE. teachings can be represented with IT.


so since comforter/periclytos is not Mohameds teaching we are left with Mohamed.

why cant it be Mohamed
the comforter is one to abide forever. Now Mohamed did not abide forever. so mohamed canot be the comforter

so we cant use periclytos here since it cant conform with the rest of the statement. its so clear, Vedaxcool jst admit and move along

is stalwert and Vedaxcool same person. anyways nice to meet u stalwert.

vedaxcool: You can do whatever you like, but at the end it still boils down to praised one!

I thought flasehood had fled and truth had arrived! any way life is really offline!

am not doing wat i like i am interpreting the verse in line with wt u guys are asking us to do(ie inserting Mohameds name)
am sure by now u get my gist on that point so we can move on to other points.

tbaba1234: You do not seem to be very knowledgeable, your questions are incredibly shallow to say the least.

thanks for the compliment

1. There is nothing to explain, God uses oaths??

1By the Day of Resurrection 2 and by the self-reproaching soul!
3Does man think We shall not put his bones back together? (Surah 75:1-2)

1.I swear by this citya ––2 and you [Prophet] are an inhabitant of this city––3 [I swear] by parent and offspring, 4 that We have created man for toil and trial

am sori i misquoted some verses
pls explain who was speaking in
surah 19:64 and 37:165 and 166

2. The Quran contains everything you need to know to get guidance

if it contains EVERYTHING can u pls tell me wat else i need outside EVERYTHING. (permit me to use this example. u give me all the money i need to buy a car from the quran, wat other money do i need from the hadith,since i have all the money i need)pls explain.

Well, Esau IS the hebrew name for Jesus

say what!
and yet again u say

. The classical hebrew name is Yeheshua.

wch one is it pls. hebrew name for Jesus, Esau or Yeheshua. wts the relationship btw Esau and Yeheshua

Where did you get Yasu from?

its arabic translation of Yehoshua

yu said

tbaba1234: This is a very good chance that Jesus called God 'Alaha'....

and this

If Jesus refered to his creator as Aalah, Alaha... What other proof do you want?

then i said wts the name of 'the God'(Allah).even if Jesus called him that. can 'the God' be the name of God. i just need a straightforward ansa.(nb we call God God that does not make Gods name to be God).i cud say the man stole the car. could 'the man' be the mans name. in the same way could 'the God' be Gods name

2. u didnt ansa this question.pls ansa them.

since u believe that Jesus may be referingg to Allaha or Allah my question is was that Allah worshiped the same way as the muslims after Muhammed. did they believe Muhammed was Allahs messenger, did they have mosques, wat was their mode of worship in the Karba before Mohamed cam

u jst showed where people prostrated in the bible and prayed towards the temple(nt mosque)a temple has a priest and sacrifices wch a mosque does not have.

question is cud this people u metioned (the people prostrating,facing temple) cud they have bin moslems.

Do your native doctors bow to God? or Idols?? Muslims bow to Allah, Elohim, Alaha and whatever name of the supreme creator.

yeah i get u on this one. a mosque is a place of prostrating to Almighty God and not idols. but again u r using example of people prostrating in a temple nd relating them with prostrating in a mosque. my confusion is canthe temple be a type of mosque since both dont involve same practices. me thinks no.

#from my thoughts above. judaism temple can not be related to a mosque,therefore jews are no moslems. so we r back to the question how did early moslems worship allah before Mohamed

aha, am back. i had to attend to some stuffs offline

i dnt ask questions for argument sake.i asked a question and i got an answer. dts y i said am ok nt dt i ws satisfied with the ansa..

my question was y no reaction frm moslems wen Jesus name is used wrongly and someone said becos the mockery has somthing to do with christian theories of Jesus.

i hv nt responded because i had somtins to attend to.

now if u may no, this is the reason y am not satisfied with ur ansas
1. most of the wrong things bin said about Jesus dont come from christian bible (eg davinci and some commedians)
2. once u realize that a statement about ur prophet is a mockery. i expect u to react just as u do for Mohamed irrespective of wat christians say about the prophet.
d fact that christians say a particular thing about Jesus does not water than a mockery. a mockery is a mockery and should be respoded to.

#thanks Andromida for ur input

#nb discussions or arguments especiali on religion doesnt necessary have to end in anger.
thanks all for ur input

WHξξ∟s:
@Vedax, lol.. The OP has backed down already, just as i expected, he however visit the thread subsequently in GHOST-MODE though (as in 4lowin the conversation without saying a damn thing) but this lady keep derailing the thread repeating same thing over & over.. I tire o.

@Oga mac, how ur wifey & kids.

bro i got a job outside nairaland uno.
so dnt expet me ye 24hrs everyday

tbaba1234: You seem not to be thinking... The name Elohim is in your bible, I am sure you can answer this question yourself since the name has similar roots with Allah and it is in your book.

The 'im' is just symbol of respect.

of cos am not thinking thats why am asking thinkers to tell me the name of Allah.is it that dificult to do.

the name elohim is in the bible. what is the name of the elohim of elohims
answer: Yahweh, YHWH
now ova to u
whats the name of Allah(the God)

tbaba1234: 1. Prostration is certainly an important part of worship as evidenced by Jesus and the prophets. Why have you abandoned that form of worship?

2. Jesus and the other prophet bowed down to God alone just like muslims , were they practising Islam??

u seem to believe that the God Jesus was praying to has something to do with Allah. i hv only 2 tests we use to show that thinking is wrong. i wish to start a nu thread on it but if u want i cud bring it on for u

then to ur poinnts.
i hv nt abandond that gesture of worship as i prostrate as in kneel sometimes wen i pray.
1. i was not instructed that the only accpetable gesture of prayer is prostration. its not written anywhere that i must only prostrate when am praying.
2..u must know dat prostration is not the only gesture engaged when praying. prostrating in itself is not prayer (try prostrating without saying or thinking anything). prayer invovles talking with the mouth and ofcourse it comes from the heart. so i cud pray engaging any gesture;kneelin, bowin, standing, sitting it does not negate my prayers
3. so where can i get the instruction on the form of prayer that is acceptable. Jesus says they that worship God must do so in truth and in spirit

tbaba1234: ii. What does a Mosque mean? It means a place of prostration to God.. That is its meaning... What did the jews do in their temples, they prostated to God. Infact they had a mode of worship very similar to the muslims. Some orthodox jews still practise this:


The kaaba is a mosque, It is the sacred mosque. The Jews had no problems facing the sacred temple to pray.


Wait a second, David is bowing in the direction of the holy temple... The Kaaba is a place of bowing, facing this sacred mosque is an act of unity amongst muslims.


Could they be refering to the same place?? The two interpretations of Baca, viz., "lack of stream" and "the valley of weeping" appears to fit in the context of pilgrimage to Bakkah, the older name of

my oga, if mosque means a place of prostration then definitely the shrine where native doctors prostrate in my village is a mosque. thanks for the definition. the same can be said of those asian religions, they also have mosques. wat do u think since they prostrate in those buildings.

2. could the jewish temple be a mosque just becos of "prostration″.in a jewish temple there are priest and sacrifices can that be said of a mosque.

3. in Jewish temples, the God they worshiped was not mentioned as Allah, they didnt regard themselves as moslems, they ddnt go to makkah for pilgrimage when they reverred jerusalem as holy so how cud they have bin moslems.

tbaba1234: NO!! JESUS CALLED GOD ALLAHA.. I do not believe, it is the facts...

Make of that what you will...

How did the prophets worship God?

Numbers 24:3-5
3 and he uttered his oracle: "The oracle of Balaam son of Beor, the oracle of one whose eye sees clearly,
4 the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened:
5 "How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob, your dwelling places, O Israel!

Deuteronomy 9:17-19
17 So I took the two tablets and threw them out of my hands, breaking them to pieces before your eyes.
18 Then once again I fell prostrate before the LORD for forty days and forty nights; I ate no bread and drank no water, because of all the sin you had committed, doing what was evil in the LORD's sight and so provoking him to anger.
19 I feared the anger and wrath of the LORD, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the LORD listened to me.

Deuteronomy 9:25
25 I lay prostrate before the LORD those forty days and forty nights because the LORD had said he would destroy you.

1 Kings 18:39
39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!"

Even Jesus, peace be upon him, bowed down to Allah Almighty the Islamic way:
"Going a little farther, he [Jesus] fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:39)"


How many christian fall on their face to pray, today That is the way of the prophets, there are so many other instances of prophets falling on their face to pray, recorded in your bible. Why can't you emulate them??

The question is why you have abandoned this way of prayer .

2 questions for u on this point of urs
1. is prostrating the only form of prayer gesture and the onnly aceptable gesture of praying(note u pray with ur mouth from ur heart)
2. the native doctor in my village happens to prostrate to his idol. does that make him a moslem(other religions also prostrate to their gods, pls tell me are they a practicing a diferent type of islam)
2.

tbaba1234: The point is that your question is senseless... If Jesus refered to his creator as Aalah, Alaha... What other proof do you want?


Aramaic , Hebrew and Arabic are related languages. The word Allah has roots in Hebrew, Aramic and Arabic... Eloah (Hebrew) and Alaha (Aramaic/Syriac). The same word Allah exists in both Hebrew and Aramaic, It is used for the Master of all nations and peoples.

Why would you even Argue with that name? Here are jewish people explaining


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQjefT51E40

Another one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh92Mlp3Tlw

am sory am using a mobile fone so i cnt view those videos for now.
bro u still leave me at the same point u met me. (my question unanswered).
look at it this way
Eloah = God
Allah = God
question still remains what is the name of this God (Eloah, Allaha, Allah)

just to make sure am understood. let me reiterate my second point

1.if God has told us all we need to know in the quran, then we dont need anyother source for understanding Gods religion.

2. if God left out some information, then we must need go to other sources (hadiths and others) to learn what he left out.

clarity needed. thanks

whats ur view of the quran. is it the verbatim true word of Allah and is it complete (contains everything Allah wants us to know and should not be added to
1. if its the verbatim word of God, how do u explain
how do u explain surah 75:1-2, 90:1,19:64,37:161-166

2.if the quran contains everything we need to know, y do we need the hadiths especially as the hadiths were not written by God. did God leave out somethings that the hadiths are now trying to tell us)

3. how do u explain the name of Jesus as Isa(closely related to Esau) in contrast to Yasu (Arabic word for Jesus)

as a bonus question
since u believe that Jesus may be referingg to Allaha or Allah my question is was that Allah worshiped the same way as the muslims after Muhammed. did they believe Muhammed was Allahs messenger, did they have mosques, wat was their mode of worship in the Karba before Mohamed came. thank u

tbaba1234: What did Jesus himself call God?? When did the name 'God' come into existence?? When did the english language come into existence??

This is a very good chance that Jesus called God 'Alaha'....

If Jesus is Around today, he would not recognise the name Jesus.

The language Jesus spoke was Aramaic not Hebrew... Do you know the Aramaic word for God?

Jesus spoke Aramaic... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_of_Jesus

Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are very similar languages.

Do you know the Aramaic word for God?

Please use this aramaic dictionary and type God

http://www.peshitta.org/cgi-bin/lexicon.cgi

Results

Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH
(Western) AaLoH

Also check this
http://www.learnassyrian.com/aramaic/church/church.html

It says:

ALAAHAA - - - - God
EESHO - - - - Jesus
MSHEEKHAA - - - - Christ
MSHEEKHOOTAA - - - - Christianity
MARRYAA - - - - Lord

These's more:

8 AL-ILAH (Aramaic). The title for “God” as used by


Aramaic speaking believers at the time of Jesus.
One of the most proper titles for God used in the Near East when Aramaic was the lingua franca of the Semitic language family from 1,200 BC to 600 CE. During the most important period in the formation of the New Testament, this expression could be found as seen in Romans 16.26-27, for the original language spoken by Jesus and his disciples was Aramaic.

Al-ilah, O blessed and only wise one, may Thy blessings of the cosmos be with us at all times. Praise to Thee for the prophets and Jesus the Messiah. In all of Thy Holy Names, may the mysteries of your nature and manifestations be revealed to us. Amen.

http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/hebrew-aramaic_sacred_names.html

So without a doubt, Jesus called God Alaha or Alaho or Elaha in aramaic depending on the dialect he spoke:

Other dialects The word for "God" in Aramaic, depending on dialect is pronounced either "Elah" "Elaha" "Àlaha" or "Aloho" (among others).

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Aramaic_name_for_God_in_prayer


Need more evidence:

W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger, William White Jr., Vine's Complete Exposition Dictionary , Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, TN, 1996

www.nairaland.com/attachments/988040_allahinot_jpgdb129adb1841dace1b44089389fa91f0

finally the sheikh answers one of my many questions.sir if dont mind,i hv been looking forward to ur input on the postt on my signature

#my question still remains thus.
whats the name of 'the-God'(Allah)
God refers to a supernatural being just as human or man refers to a mortal being..

my question is nott whether Jesus called him Allaha or not

the personal name of the hebrew God is Yahweh it means I am. now wats the name of the islamic God

one poster once said nameless is that also ur position

and somhow u managed to doge one important question which is
Is Mohammed similar to Jesus as in Johns gospel or not similar to him as in Deutronomy.

vedaxcool: 8. Some how the bible is actually weird; we read:
He said that some standing there would not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom. Matthew 16:28

Yet all his disciples never saw him coming!

In the chapter he says;

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away
and I am coming back to you.’ If you
loved me, you would be glad that I am
going to the Father, for the Father is
greater than I.

Yet his disciples died and never witness him back even 2000yrs later!

The only people committing shriek are those who despite Jesus saying the father is greater than him, still prefer saying he is one with the father!

did u read this part of the bible Luke 24:36 And as they thus spoke, Jesus stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them peace be unto u. also read Matt 28:9-20. Luke 24:15,John 20:14.
so stop saying what u dont know


#the funny thing is that Jesus said that the father is greater than him and also said he and his father is one. the truth is u dont just choose to take one sayings and ignore the other sayings

vedaxcool: 6. Muhammad pbuh was not send in Jesus name that is clear.

should i take this to mean that yu agree that Mohammed is not the one spoken about in those verses..

#if the comforter is sent in Jesus name and here u are saying Mohammed was not sent in Jesus name then of course Mohammed is not the comforter..

{if Mohammed is the comforter then he is sent in Jesus name} which one is it

vedaxcool: 4. On Point 5 you make Jesus contradict himself, as 17 speaks of spirit that dwells in you (the disciples), lives in you in other words already existing . . . But Jesus says in 26 the father will send . . . Inhering a future action

Furthermore he said:

ohn 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the
truth; It is expedient for you that I go
away: for if I go not away, the Comforter
will not come unto you; but if I depart, I
will send him unto you . . .

So here Jesus conditions the comforter coming on his departure yet in verse 17 he talks of an entity that is already existing in people

now my problem is this: was Mohamed sent to these same discipples that Jesus was talking about.(note he was going to leave them for this comforter to come to them)

yu r still trying to bring in holyspirit here which am not doing now. the intent of this thread is to show that Mohammed cannot be the comforter.

vedaxcool: Jesus clearly says he had not guided his disciples to the entire truth which they could not bear!

so u agree Jesus was talking to his disciples uhn.
one honest answer from you pls: was Mohamed sent to these disciples u talked about.