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vedaxcool: The question is did Jesus abide with us on earth forever? Nope! Jesus is no longer on earth and this has been for the past 2000 years!

If Jesus did not abide with us forever it would be nonsesical to expect another comforter like him, a mortal, to live forever! So we muslim understand clearly by saying he (Muhammad) would abide with you forever he actually was referring to what Muhammad was bringing Islam, as what he was bringing was the koko of what Jesus was talking about, long after the death of Muhammad pbuh the Qur'an and everything that Islam stands for defends the honor of Jesus and his Mother, and speaks of him in positive light! The substance of the entire statement of the comforter was what he would bring, guidance to the entire truth and Jesus clearly says he had not guided his disciples to the entire truth which they could not bear!

now pls tell who was intended to last forever from the text, is it the comforter (a person) or the comforter (a message).
{and he shall give yu another comforter that he may abide with you forever}

vedaxcool: Couldn't u have simply just translated it as I will send you another praised one? This is getting funny . . . Your points are poor indeed!

funny abi, thank God u r seein it. if praised one means Mohammed why cant i translate it to Mohammed. why, i need just one reason

#sori i am replying this late. i had to attend to someother things offline

wat happened to islam 4 muslims section

PEN_MIGHT: No,it is not wrong or a sin for mosques that uses it or for representation but it has no basis in the deen so it is better avoided.

there must be a reason for doing something especially wen its widespread and wen it has to do with religion every symbol has a meaning.
anyway u guys need to do more research on why such a symbol wud be accepted in islam.
why not full moon or only star or the sun. there must be a reason. ur job is to find out

the places of worship would be turned to mosques when the ownership becomes legally of the Muslims.
so cn u explainn how the site of the temple at Jerusalem became legally muslims.. did they purchase it or as a result of taking over the place after a war. if as a result of war wt caused the war.
thanks for ur responses

The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.
thnks 4 ur response, but dd u know that u dd nt answer my question

this is d question again;
Is it wrong to represent Islam with the moon and star?
answer shoud be yes or no be4 u start explaining

if yes, then most mosques are rong.
if no, then it must hv somtin to do with Allah which we may not know

WHξξ∟s:
The Muslims do not condone this discrimination and as a matter of fact we strive steadfastly in any way possible to disinfest the minds of others who view these great personalities as stooges. We revere them, and if anyone diss them just to satiate his comical craving then that person erred and disowning him from our congregation is the least we could do.



Getting to that, do you think the other brother Abetted his sibling to ill-treat their Dad? Of course not, you are fully aware that a child who has proper upbringing will not allow anyone deride his Dad in his presence and for this reason the Muslims position is stern thats why the Glorious QURAN advocates us not to make any distinction between the prophets(a.s) surah BAQARAH 136 .


Let me break it down to you sophist, the Muslims BERATE these abominable exercises and we totally CONDEMN it but you & your brothers on the other hand are promoting it, you said it right when you point out that we share different mothers which i will say is the DOCTRINE, ours guide us to view them as PARAGONS while yours, well, i dont have to say it all, but for the time being lets assume the opposite.

aha bro, my question is not about wat christians think about Jesus. my question is about commedians wu use Jesus name wrongly. y muslims dnt react like they react 4 Muhammed.

if amnesty could not tame these guys from making thse threats (which by the way i dnt pray for them to actualise)forever then how can amnesty forever deal with the boko haram issue. SMH

#buy the truth and sell it not

Lovethywilbedon: YES! with PENTICOSTAL PROTESTANTS, It can JUST be ANYWHERE. Under a mango tree, in a room, preferably in a HOTEL ROOM, Yes! it can be in a WAER HOUSE, it can be in a FOOTBALL PITCH, it can be in a MOTOR PARK. It can even be in TOILET, it can be in a BEER PALOUR, it can be in a BROTEL. Infact it can just be anywhere provided they are TWO or THREE and CLAIM to have gathered IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.

rom 16:likewise, greet the church that is in their house.

Anyigala: Your question is very simple and a simple answer is Yes, RCC is the mother Church and the 1st Church. The last book in the NT was written probably between 80- 90 AD, during this period Clement was Pope ( refered to as Bishop of Rome) then, St Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch from 70 - 107 AD and he was the 1st person in Christian literature to attribute to the Church the adjective "Catholic" or Universal. He said that "where Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic Church."
At the same time, Pope Clement was sending a strong worded letter to the Church in Corinthian calling them to task when the elders in the church were deposed by some young contestants. It is worth noting that John the apostle was still alive and living in Asian manor the same time.
By all historial account, up until the split between East and West around 1000 AD and the Catastrophic reformation 500 yrs later, their was only one Christian denomination and it was the Catholic Church. As Blessed Henry Newman said " To be deep in history is to stop being a protestant".

am sure yu would that the new testament is a historical account of Jesus,his twelve, the early converts and the migration of the gospel to other places of which rome is just one of them.
how yu come to agree that christianity started in rome just beats me.

that historical account never mentions rome or roman catholic or pope as taking such a revered position in christianity. 2 most of what the roman catholic stands for are never mentioned in that account.

and again even if i agree that the church has always being catholic (universal) from time immorial. u hv to agree that there is a diference between catholic and roman catholic.

for one, the roman in that phrase neutralises the universality of the phrase for how can it be universal and also roman (rome is a part of the world).

FINAL WORD, if roman catholic church was the first church then it means the church referred to in 1cor 1:2, 15:9, acts 18:22, Rom 16:5, 1 cor 16:19 were roman catholic churches annd they had a pope.

rom 16:likewise, greet the church that is in their house.

WHξξ∟s:
The question to ask is who are the people mocking Jesus? Weren't the majority of them xtians? If xtians over the cosmos crack Jesus jokes why wouldn't an atheist do same? You are a living witness to that cos ur above post supports mocking and scorning d prophets. Beside the user SMOY clarify it ol, pls try and stick to that hence u now know.

lets take this example. my father is also your is also your father only that we have differnt mothers. will u sit and watch me treat my father wrongly. wil u say. "its his father he is maltreating so i cant do anything to help" the father is shared by both of us. so in the same way, the prophet is shared by both religions. now if yu can respond in the father case muslims should be able to respond in the prophets case

nice write up

thaba1234: Islam and Christianity are the main religions in Nigeria and I think we have accepted that in the way we are already set up as a Nation

i agree with yu here, and thank God u realise there are other smaller non organised religions and many many many non religious people.

It is high time we recognized that in order to stop the frequent friction between Islam and Christianity in Nigeria.

aha, not really, in order to stop the friction we need to look for the cause and the originators of such frictions and tackle them

we need to ensure that the members of each religion can practice their religion to the fullest without taking away the rights of the other to enjoy same

gud one, not only the major religions oh. we need to allow other religions express themselves too. in the case of coming to school and work, we should allow the native doctors and their followers to come with their calabashes, cowries and feathers. we should also allow the white garment guys to come on barefeet.

#all the same. nice write up

christemmbassey: If u know who a christian is, u will agree that a christian can not backslide especially going by ur 2nd definition.

thats wt i want u to explain. i no people wu were christians but are now nominal.

meetgaby: what do u mean by backslide sir?

ntr.v. back·slid (-sl d ), back·slid·ing, back·slides. To revert to sin or wrongdoing,
especially in religious practice. back slid er n.backslide[ˈbækˌslaɪd]... eg to enter into another religion

christemmbassey: The christian is governed by a new law which actually set us free from the lam of Moses and its written in our heart thats y the bible declares "the christian can not sin". Rome 8:2 "the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.

can i ask yu this bro.
how do yu explain christians who backslide
thank u

frosbel: I am not , was never and will never be a 'Master', only Jesus is the Master.

I am a student like you brother, and we are all here to learn

noted

#sits down as a humble student ready to learn from the masters.

4good: [b]As a graduate of Elect/Eletct. Engineering, an Enterprenuer and a CEO of one of the Organisations Accredited by JAMB for Online UTME registration since it started, I talk authoritatively in support of this plan to scrap JAMB from the following facts:

1.) JAMB does not have enough personnels to undertake the task of conducting Exam for the huge no of candidates
ii.) JAMB does not have adequate facilities to undertake the task of conducting Exam for the huge no of candidates
iii.)It is impossible for JAMB to do a thorough supervision of Exams conducted at too many locations.
iv.) JAMB still hires corrupt Individuals (teachers, letcurers, etc) to conduct exams on its behalf
v.) (iv) above leads to malpractices that is almost becoming the norm in UTME
vi) Candidates do no longer read as they only make sure they go to Exam centres with enough money to give to supervisors
vii) As many as the number of Exam centres so is the no of standards or conditions under which students write exams.

JAMB-UTME is not just in any way effective and can never be effective in conducting credible exams for all nigerian students

The only way out is to scrap UTME and allow the Universities conduct their Entrance Examinations under a SINGLE supervisory agency or body such as JAMB.

I am very sure that when this is done, it will now be a matter of EGO for a Tertiary Institution to allow her Entrance Exam Questions leak. The particular school where instance(s) of leackage(s) is/are found should be brought to book by JAMB and other relevant agencies.

Benefits of scraping UTME

i.) Examinations will definitely be better monitored since exams takes place right their on the schools campuses
ii.) Examinations will definitely be better coordinated since each school will use their own staff to supervise
iii.) Schools can also choose whether to use Essay + Objectives OR the normal OBJ questions for their exams
iv.) Schools can now generate legitimate money from selling Entrance forms
v.) Candidates will be forced to be more serious with their studies
vi) Admission will be easier as a candidate can now write as many Entrance Exams as possible
vii.) Admissions will then be more "BY MERIT"
viii.) When the standard of Entrance Exams and Coordination are raised it will definitely tell on students attitudes in Secondary schools.
ix.) Also as an academician, most lecturers I know would ensure strict compliance in Exam halls during Entance Exams.
x.) This will ensure that the very serious students gain admission which will eventually produce BETTER QUALITY OF GRADUATES FROM OUR TERTIARY INSTITUTIONS.



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1000 likes but hope this will lead to the desired improvement

Donmichaelz: My mother once's told me,a bastard son will use a left hand to point his father's house..i went to a military skul,even thou there was bribery,i wil always tell anybody i meet that my skul is the BEST...

uhm. dont u think exposing wrongness in a system may help to eliminate it. take example of the police college story.

though i need to ye the other part of the story before saying anything. if yr story is true then its pathetic

Soulja-boi:
I lack education ? Now, that harsh !

You didn't debunk what I posted. AlhamduliLLaah, you are beginning to see reason why we should all adhere to Islaam as practiced and taught by the pious predecessors.

May Allaah make it easy for us all.

I believe the person behind the moniker "Rafidi" would be pleasant and cheerful in real world.

Maybe we could get to meet.

my bro, i agree with yu. a muslim is a muslim. stop all this name calling

thank God for saving u.bro

the next question is who should be the source of instructions for christians

to answer this, we have to define who christians are:
They are a group of people that follow Christ (they are actually disciples of christ, learning from him) so Christ is the authority.

we can learn christ by the spirit through the written word(logos, bible) and spoken word (rhema, word for a particular situation).

You must understand the work of the spirit to both. (they that worship christ must worship him in truth and in spirit).

U should not find yourself worshipping God outside wat this guide intsructs. (ie the spirit through the logos and the rhema) it will not be acceptable.

SO CHECK YOURSELF. ARE YOU DOING WAT CHRIST DID NOT ASK YOU TO DO.

let me state my position on this matter. since it evident that there is no command from God, Jesus or even Mary for worship and prayers ascribed to her and other saints.

I earlier gave the example of roles definition in an organisation. you have to know what you are supposed to do.(this means yu have to be told, directed). so where do u get ur directions from. ofcourse from the authority you following. Now whats the authority a christian is supposed to follow.
when u find yursef doin wat is not required of u. how can u ascertain whether its acceptable. Remember there even some things that may appear right but they may not be acceptable for yu. (an example is Peter, he thought it was the right thing for his master not to die. if yu were in his shoes u wud have thought same.even though it is the right path to choose to live but in this case it was not acceptable for Jesus to choose to Live).1 cor 10:23 says all things are lawful for me, not all things are expedient (necesary,useful). even though some things are right. some of those right things dont edify. so how do u know the acceptabe right thing to do. this is where instruction comes in. this is why societies have laws (usually written instructions down of what and what not to do), and products have manuals.

all i have said simply, is that you need something to guide u. or else how do yu know the limit to what yu can do or wat u should nt do on yr own volition.
so
1. how do you know your limit of you should or should not do when u do not have instructions. (no directives mean you can do just anything as in anything)
2. even in the things that seem right to do, not all are acceptable.

Rich4god: You need to remove your mind from "where in the bible were we directed/instructed to do..." for a practice not to be in the bible does not mean its wrong/bad. .

Rich4god: The bottomline is, its not every practice that must be directed or instructed in the bible

bro i love your style, yu know based on this dis point of yours we can go meet the priest of Ogun or Amadioha and tell him that he can now start a church, call it church of Ogun. he is gonna preach the bible and chant praises of Ogun while holding his services its not in the bible but we can do wat is not in the bible acording to you. he can say things such as let us pray to the great Ogun god of thunder who is now a General of Gods heavenly host to intercede for us. why not we can also pray to simon of cyrene too. he helped the lord carry his cross. the lord will listen to him as a return favor of what he did
another suggestion, lets replace the image of Jesus on the cross with a loaf of bread afterall Jesus said his body is bread. then we can kiss it, bow to it etc.

Rich4god: The apostles appointed deacon to help them in their worship/mission, but Christ didnt direct/intruct them to do that. Does that mean the apostles are not following Christ's other. .

ok. y dd d apostles do this. out of necessity or out of 'we can do anything thats not in the bible'
2. if u r asking this question then u might as well ask why Jesus appointed his twelve

bro after all yur xplanations u guys dnt still hit the nail on the head.
question is Did Moses talk to his people about Allah or not
answer should be yes he did or no he did not then before u can now start explaining.

smoy: Yes, may the peace and blessing of Allah be on all of the prophets, we respected all of them and any Muslim that abuses any of the prophets is no longer a Muslim. But you see my brother all other prophet are unanimously accepted by all religions of God except Prophet Muhammad the seal of prophet (SAW) and if other person make mockery of any other prophet in common a good Muslim will never be happy but less he could do because you may even tell me that that is what yr religion book say about him. For example calling Jesus god or son of god is a blasphemy in Islam but we have less to do or say accept to correct you because that what Paul teaches you and not Isa (ASW) that is your freedom.and that is the reason muslim have being Dialoged with you today.

Quran 2:136
Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

ok i c
but some people dat mock Jesus are not christians. in that case wt do u
anyways am ok wt ur answer

Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed are all prophets of Islam. ok
when Mohammed is spoken wrongly about by people. You will see muslims the world over protesting, some issuing fatwa, some even go as far as killing other people and destroying properties. but when other prophets like Jesus is spoken wrongly about(as is evident in most jokes that some commeddians crack,da vinci code guys,and others) Muslims dont protest, no fatwas issued. why?

my question is why protest for only Mohammed. are they not all prophets of islam. is one better than any other

(it sought of gives the impression that other prophets like Jesus are just add-ons.they dont really matter.anything can be said about them)

sis, tnks for this opportunity to ask
my question is
1.is it wrong to represent islam with the moon and star.
2.is it wrong thing in islam to build a mosque on the site where other peolpe had their own holy building
3. whats ur view of the quran. is it the verbatim true word of Allah and is it complete (contains everything Allah wants us to know and should not be added to)

carr96: No way! We were never instructed to pray to her! She's not our intercessor! The DEAD can't intercede for the living + the bible never tells us so! Mary was jst a favored woman nothing more!

hey Sis, tnks for ur response, we r all here to learrn

your comprehensive answer is here
www.nairaland.com/1242521/lagosshai-vedaxcool-thaba1234-others-muhammad

engrtee: THE DAY UNA STOP MEETING UNA PASTOR TO PRAY FOR UNA , NA DAT TIME WE GO STOP TO DEY PRAY THROUGH MARY.mtchew

u ddnt actually ansa the question
should i take it that yu pray through Mary just because only just because pentecostals meet pastor to pray for them.
sounds like imitation to me. the last time i checked. u dont imitate people for imitating sake. thank u for your response

jimino: Pls my pentecostal brodas nd sistas, hv u eva read dis portion of d bible. Luke 1 : 48. For He hath regarded the low estate of His handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generation shall call me blessed. John 19 : 26 - 27.
26: when Jesus therefore saw His mother and d disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, woman behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to d disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour dat disciple took her unto his own home.

In d gospel of luke 1: 48, Mary herself propheci dat all generatn shal call me blessed. Catholics r leaving up 2 dat prophecy. Dnt allow satan 2 use u 2 stop dis prophecy

In d gospel of John 19: 26- 27, at d foot of cross, and one of d last statement Jesus made b4 he died was 2 give is mother 2 d disciple John as his Mother and John 2 his mother as her son. At dis point Jesus gave mary 2 b d mother of all and we shld b her children. If Jesus christ himself gave his mother 2 us, who r u nt 2 hounor even afta d forth commadment intrust us 2 hounor our father nd mother.

Read ur bible nd ask God 4 d spirit of undastnding.

hey bro, yu are the only person dat attempted the question. thanks

pls remeber the keyword: INSTRUCTED, DIRECTED
thats just wat am after.
When someone gets a job say in a bank. he doesnt just go to work and take any job he feels like doing. he doesnt just go to the customer care and begin interacting with customers. he awaits INSTRUCTIONS, its called roles definition. if he operates outside the directions am sure u know wat happens to him.

question remains: where did Mary ask (DIRECT, INSTRUCT)yu to pray to her, honor her, this one is important make images of me.
thank you for your response
by the way, i love ur signature