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Paris-Love:
Sad story. Rip to the man.

Lagoshia was the man bombed by silly 'peaceful' islamophobias (or whatever you lots call it)? Or by another muslim that just happens to misunderstand the peaceful message of islam? Or was he on the right path as this shia muslim suggests?

Paris-Love:
Sad story. Rip to the man.

Lagoshia was the man bombed by silly 'peaceful' islamophobias (or whatever you lots call it)? Or by another muslim that just happens to misunderstand the peaceful message of islam? Or was he on the right path as this shia muslim suggests?

LagosShia: lol...but you see there was an explosion?

and it was not the first Wahhabis have targeted scholars in Syria,shia,sunni and Christian scholars.bouthi happens to be high profile,that even sunnis who support the rebels are ashamed.

BetaThings: so that Beirut bombing by Hezbollah supported by Iran is a sin Just like Boko Haram's acts

Shia first claimed that they don't do suicide bombing When evidence is produced that it is a lie, they now say that it is a halal military strategy You keep shifting your position

Of course you do Why do you say Ya Ali Madad Somebody that is dead in his grave Here are people posting letters to some Imam dwelling in a well (of all places!), asking (ASKING) the dead by phone from Sunnis say Khidr control the world? Where? Some sunnis don't even agree he is a prophet Now Shirk is a sin? When did Shia creed change to recognise as shirk the practice of beseeching human beings or equating some men in some caves to Allah

LagosShia: and stubbornly tread the path of destruction. you will be in the company of abu bakr,umar,usthman,aisha,muawiya,yazeed,et

Rafidi: I do not criticize for instance Sunni Hamas for conducting suicide bombing or what they call martyrdom operation against Israeli targets.but I criticize book haram for using suicide bombing to target churches,just as I criticize Wahhabis/salafists for using suicide bombing against Shia civilians in Pakistan

ayenny02: Infact, I liked ur question and u asked it with open mind.


ISLAM is arabic word which means surrender to d will of God, Those who practice religion of islam are called Muslim. Muslim is an arabic word and which means worshiper of none except Allah alone.

Also Allah is an Arabic word which means God, Supreme Being. In Hebrew language God means ELOHA but jews use plural form ELOHIM. It is not subject to plurality or gender. It is confusing to use the word God as many English-speaking Christian still consider Jesus as God, even the word creator is also confusing, as many christians still maintain that jesus had created the world.

If u can access to Arabic Bible that those christian arabs are using, you will see that God in that bible translate to Allah

Not only the name of Allah is strange, but also the way muslims worship Allah with ablution, bowing, kneeling, prostration and fasting is strange to non-muslim, but not strange to all prophets.

While ablution (washing of face, arms, feet and moistening of d hair) prior to worship is abandoned by modern christian, it is still required by muslim and previous prophets, as seen in the following passages of the Bible: Exodus 40:31-32
31 And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat:
32 When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the altar, they washed; as the Lord commanded Moses.

John 13:12-15
12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.


Although Paul made many changes in jesus teaching, he was still faithful in respect to ablution(purification) as seen in Act 21:26;
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.


Muslim Women perform their prayer with their head covered as 1 cor 11:5, 6 and 13;
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?


Muslims worship with bowing, kneeling, prostration and without shoes as done by previous Prophet;
Psalm 95:6
6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.

Joshua 5:14
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

Nehemiah 8:4-6
4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6 And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground.

Matthew 4:10
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


N:B- (AM NOT HERE TO AGAINST OTHER FAITH BUT TO ALL PROVE HIS/HER OWN RELIGION WITHOUT DOUBT)

ayenny02: Infact, I liked ur question and u asked it with open mind.


ISLAM is arabic word which means surrender to d will of God, Those who practice religion of islam are called Muslim. Muslim is an arabic word and which means worshiper of none except Allah alone.

Also Allah is an Arabic word which means God, Supreme Being. In Hebrew language God means ELOHA but jews use plural form ELOHIM. It is not subject to plurality or gender. It is confusing to use the word God as many English-speaking Christian still consider Jesus as God, even the word creator is also confusing, as many christians still maintain that jesus had created the world.

If u can access to Arabic Bible that those christian arabs are using, you will see that God in that bible translate to Allah

Not only the name of Allah is strange, but also the way muslims worship Allah with ablution, bowing, kneeling, prostration and fasting is strange to non-muslim, but not strange to all prophets.

While ablution (washing of face, arms, feet and moistening of d hair) prior to worship is abandoned by modern christian, it is still required by muslim and previous prophets, as seen in the following passages of the Bible: Exodus 40:31-32
31 And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat:
32 When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the altar, they washed; as the Lord commanded Moses.

John 13:12-15
12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.


Although Paul made many changes in jesus teaching, he was still faithful in respect to ablution(purification) as seen in Act 21:26;
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.


Muslim Women perform their prayer with their head covered as 1 cor 11:5, 6 and 13;
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?


Muslims worship with bowing, kneeling, prostration and without shoes as done by previous Prophet;
Psalm 95:6
6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.

Joshua 5:14
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

Nehemiah 8:4-6
4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6 And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground.

Matthew 4:10
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


N:B- (AM NOT HERE TO AGAINST OTHER FAITH BUT TO ALL PROVE HIS/HER OWN RELIGION WITHOUT DOUBT)

vedaxcool: Lol dude you are free to claim victory and showing, what is a liar with out any lie? The thread is there after all for all to see! it is very apparent that u lie with a straight face claiming someone agreed with you when no such agreement occur is the height of evangelism by lies, something shown in the thread of hoaxes and fabrication that christians do to promote their religion, lying for God is a great shame indeed! Why don't you people let God promote his path abi

vedaxcool: ^
Oga haba, now desika would not post on his own thread! WELL DONE!!! Couldn't have done better!

LagosShia: SIMON OF CYRENE

"According to some Gnostic traditions, Simon of Cyrene, by mistaken identity, suffered the events leading up to the crucifixion, and died on the cross instead of Jesus. This is the story presented in the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, although it is unclear whether Simon or another actually died on the cross".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Cyrene

Second Treatise of the Great Seth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Treatise_of_the_Great_Seth

THE BIBLE SAYS HE IS ALIVE,NOT "RESURRECTED"!!!

He's Alive!
the word "resurrected" is not used in the new testament once when the disciples of Jesus were reacting to the news that Jesus was not dead but alive.infact,they keep screaming "he's alive",meaning "not dead" since all of them had received the news that Jesus was sentenced to death and they expected him to have died!if they truly knew Jesus was killed,and had returned from the dead,they surely would have repeatedly exclaimed:"he's resurrected"!but not once!!!

Luke 24:23
but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive.

LagosShia: According to three out of the four versions of the Gospel present in the Christian Bible, it is said that whilst Jesus was on the way to be crucified, the soldiers escorting him stopped a certain Jewish man who happened to be passing by named Simon of Cyrene, and made him carry the cross for Jesus.

Now, read carefully the account given in the Gospel of Matthew [Matthew 27:31-37] and note that the text actually implies the crucifixion of Simon of Cyrene and not Jesus (all Biblical quotes in this article are from the King James translation):

31: And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
32: And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
33: And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
34: They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
36: And sitting down they watched him there;
37: And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Notice that in verse 32, Simon of Cyrene is referred to, and that in all of the verses following it up to verse 37, Jesus' name is not mentioned, there is only "him" and "he". Thus implying that the word "him" in verse 35 refers to Simon of Cyrene, and not to Jesus.

The fact that they wrote a sign above his head claiming him to be Jesus only indicates that this was what they thought.

And see Mark's similar account [Mark 15:20-26]:

20: And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
21: And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
22: And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23: And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
24: And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25: And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26: And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

These two accounts clearly imply the likelihood that Simon of Cyrene was the one crucified instead of Jesus. However, due to the belief that later came to prevail among the Christians regarding the crucifixion of Jesus, along with the confusion that they must have had in reconciling all of the contradictory accounts, it is likely that much of the other content of those gospels regarding events afterwards was doctored and distorted.

The accounts of Luke and John [Luke 23:26-43, John 19:17-27] are fairly unambiguous that Jesus was crucified, however these two accounts are considered to have been authored at a later period than those of Mark and Matthew.

The author of Luke, as is evident from certain other writings in the New Testament, was clearly an adherent of the teachings of Paul, while the identity of the author of John is controversial, although it is certain from the content of his Gospel that he held many of the complicated beliefs of the Greek philosophers and thinkers, rather than the simple Semitic monotheism that Jesus so clearly taught.

Then I found this interesting piece of information on Wikipedia:

"According to some Gnostic traditions, [b]Simon of Cyrene, by mistaken identity, suffered the events leading up to the crucifixion, and died on the cross instead of Jesus. [/b]This is the story presented in the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, although it is unclear whether Simon or another actually died on the cross, This belief is also held by many Muslims, "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Cyrene

The following is the translation by Roger A. Bullard and Joseph A. Gibbons of the relevant portion of the work known as "The Second Treatise of the Great Seth" mentioned above, which is one of a collection of early Christian gnostic writings dated around the 3rd or 4th century CE that was discovered near the Egyptian town of Nag' Hammadi in 1945. The quote is attributed to Jesus:

"For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death, It was another, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I[t] was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns, And I was laughing at their ignorance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_, the_Great_Seth

And here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say in its online article on Docetism (an early Christian sect regarded as "heretical" by the later Church):

"According to Basilides, Christ seemed to men to be a man and to have performed miracles. It was not, however, Christ, who suffered but Simon of Cyrene who was constrained to carry the cross and was mistakenly crucified in Christ's stead. Simon having received Jesus' form, Jesus returned Simon's and thus stood by and laughed. Simon was crucified and Jesus returned to his father (Irenaeus, Adv. Char., 1, xxiv). According to some apocrypha it was Judas, not Simon the Cyrenean, who was thus substituted."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm

Obviously, many of the other beliefs of the Docetists and other Gnostic sects are clear-cut kufr and deviance, however what is relevant here is the admission by the Christians themselves that there was indeed a controversy from the very earliest periods of Christianity regarding who exactly was killed on the cross.

And indeed, Allah revealed the truth of the matter in his Saying: {And because of their saying: "We killed the Messiah, 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah." But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not.} [An-Nisa': 157]

And Allah knows better.

courtesy:

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/but-they-killed-him-not-nor-did-16671/

LagosShia: there were early Christians who did not believe Jesus (as) died on the cross and I will bring the historical evidence,

LagosShia: in addition to what is found in the gospel of barnabas,whose authenticity is doubted by Christians.

christians need to review their religion and discover that the decision to unify Christendom by imposing many beliefs like the crucifixion to give Christianity a one color is not only based on falsehood but very misleading up to this day for Christians who do not know their past.

LagosShia: you need to see that believing in human sacrifice,a belief which contradicts basic tenets of the bible,and also common sense and history,should be thrown away as a stone age ideology that have no place in our modern world

LagosShia: no matter how much Christians package the belief in crucifixion with the shroud of "love" and "sacrifice",it only bounce back to expose the idea that an "unjust" God made an innocent man pay for the "sins" of others (sin,which according to the bible is not inherited or passed from one man to another),and a blood-thirsty "god" who would watch his son die a slow painful death on the cross to please his ego.christians have turned the thirst for blood into "mercy".and worse,it expose a ridiculous and silly "god" who would kill "himself" or his son to pay/please himself for what is punishable of others.its silly!!! I would not give my second car away to a thief who stole my first car (and should be punished) in order that he would be able to pay me back (instead of just forgiving him),would you?s.

LagosShia: I guess you are pointing finger at me for stating the above in the other thread.may be you can tell us what does Alleluya means and why it is suprising to render it as Allaluya,knowing that El and Al are root words for calling God in semitic languages? And also that "e" and "a" are vowels which can be used interchangeably for semitic languages.

LagosShia: you are very silly.you coin and design what to believe and turn that into a religion.you practice ignorance and come here to preach.

do you know why? first pointing out that the word "Elah" (if you like twist it into Eli or Eloi) is found in the bible,and according to what is found in the bible Jesus (as) is reported to have made a statement while allegedly dying on the cross or stake,makes no difference as to what the Muslim believe in regards to the Christian belief in crucifixion.the muslim is only trying to let you see how extant the word "Elah" is in the bible and in Aramaic to point out that we muslims refer to God just as it was done in the days of Jesus (as).

not once is the word "Yahweh","Jehovah" or even the tetragrammaton (YHWH) from which Christians derive "God's name" is found in the bible.God and Jesus (as) forgot to mention God's name in His "book".how amazing and unbelievable that is?!!! /

secondly,the word "Elah" (turned into Eli and Eloi) is the root word in Aramaic (the semitic language Jesus spoke,and closely related to Arabic) for calling the Almighty God./

he never died.early church fathers of the roman catholic church adopting a unified position to claim that Jesus (as) died on the cross doesn't make the claim true.

vedaxcool: ^
And the gospel of barnabas, the balisades, the Paulisades etc

And the soldiers came before him,
bowing down in mockery, saluting him
as King of the Jews. And they held out
their hands to receive gifts, such as
new kings are accustomed to give; and
receiving nothing they smote Judas,
saying: 'Now, how are you crowned,
foolish king, if you will not pay your
soldiers and servants?' The chief
priests with the scribes and Pharisees,
seeing that Judas died not by the
scourges, and fearing lest Pilate should
set him at liberty, made a gift of
money to the governor, who having
received it gave Judas to the scribes
and Pharisees as guilty to death.
Whereupon they condemned two
robbers with him to the death of the
cross. So they led him to Mount
Calvary, where they used to hang
malefactors, and there they crucified
him Unclad;, for the greater ignominy.
Judas truly did nothing else but cry
out: 'God, why have you forsaken me,
seeing the malefactor has escaped
and I die unjustly?' Truly I say that the
voice, the face, and the person of
Judas were so like to Jesus, that his
disciples and believers entirely
believed that he was Jesus; wherefore
some departed from the doctrine of
Jesus, believing that Jesus had been a
false prophet, and that by art magic
he had done the miracles which he
did: for Jesus had said that he should
not die till near the end of the world;
for that at that time he should be
taken away from the world
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/gbar/
gbar217.htm


So are christian implying that despite the fact the Jesus prayed to God to save him, let this cup pass over me . . . God refused his prayer? In essence Jesus prayer was rejected? The burden lays more on your head!

alexis: Enjoying this ................

vedaxcool: I labeled you a liar, and it stands! I am not wasting my time on you . . .

teniyi: Hoax! Cross or stake? The source also gave confusion even to the christian. So what is the muslim headache?

tintingz: ^@ayenny02 yo really doing a great job....

Abeg teach your students(christians) bible study jareh i dey enjoy you!!

tintingz: but Jesus fell on his face and pray to God...He shouted ELOI on the cross Who was he calling??

bro, i smell confusion here one minute u are saying Christ did not die on the cross the next minute u are saying he shouted eloi on the cross. question for u.. did he jump into the cross and shout Eloi! then quickly came down.. this is confusion 101

tintingz: but Jesus fell on his face and pray to God...He shouted ELOI on the cross
Who was he calling??

deavicky: we are not sure if they can or cannot. but if we (christain)should be the one to start, good and i still don't see anything wrong with it. And muslims in the church, i can't still see how it affect your life of being good or going to haven

vedaxcool: Thank you chairman, no muslim insulted Muhammad pbuh when he offered christians a space to pray in medinah the second holiest mosque . . . The prophet was light years ahead unfortunately the questions/comments that christians should be asking/making are not quite hitting the point, namely is it proper to insult your religious leaders because you hate muslims? Is it theologically acceptable to offer muslims prayer space? Etc! Not the non starter desika is rambling if your points are important then address them someplace else but this thread speaks clearly of intolerance of your christian brothers, diverting the attention from the main issue at hand is very poor judgment indeed and shows subtle support for the mannerless behavior of your christian brethren!

Akpa ife: Is it a Bad tin 4 a Muslim 2 pray in d church we all serve d same God u guys wat 2 start a religious crisis

mazaje: While some christians are allowing musims to worship in their churches, some very powerful muslims imams are calling for the destruction of all churches in the arabic peninsula. . .

chickso43: I guess it is the muslims that carry cross

AbdH: That is what he meant bro. He meant that no prophet would be born after him or why would he make the statement quoted below after the statement above?



The same man who said that he was going to be the last prophet said that Jesus - an old prophet will come after him and you don't think that he meant it as a succession through birth?

There will be no prophet after me - someone unknown, someone from nowhere, a prophet to be born after me.

To confirm that, Allah says in the Qur'an (33:40): Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

The seal - the one whose birth ends the birth of new prophets.