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AbdH: That is what he meant bro. He meant that no prophet would be born after him or why would he make the statement quoted below after the statement above?



The same man who said that he was going to be the last prophet said that Jesus - an old prophet will come after him and you don't think that he meant it as a succession through birth?

There will be no prophet after me - someone unknown, someone from nowhere, a prophet to be born after me.

To confirm that, Allah says in the Qur'an (33:40): Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

The seal - the one whose birth ends the birth of new prophets.

i showed u a hadith that says NO PROPHET AFTER ME so clearly and u are here adding BORN afte me. keep deluding ursef

chickso43: May you did not read my text
In the verses quoted above, Jesus (pbuh) said that
in his second coming, he would ask the people to
depart from him, to get away from him because
he wouldn’t know them. Who are these people?
The Muslims or the Hindus? The answer is neither
Hindus nor Muslims but the Christians, because
Muslims or Hindus do not claim to do “Miracles” in
the name of Jesus Christ (pbuh) nor do they cast
out devils in his name.

go get understanding. pls go to that verse and check wat it reads. it didnt say christians. if u see christians there please let me know.

#by the way we are discussing muslim tradition that says Muhammad is the last prophet

dis is wat u said

chickso43: Personally we muslims don't need him Jesus second coming is not going to bring anything new, he is coming for Christians

Muslims need Jesus, let me show u
muslim tradition have it that when Jesus comes, he will
1. lead the whole world to islam by abolishing the jizyah. the abolishing of jizyah meanns that there will be no unbelivers to pay the jizyah becos everybody has now become muslim.
if Jesus dont come this will not happen. so if i were u u wud be praying for Jesus to come today so the whole world converts to islam.

and pls stop decieving ursef that Jesus will not bring anything new.
1. which person has eva bin able to convert the whole world to islam. nobody but Jesus. he will be doing wat no body has eva done.
2. he will be abolishing the jizyah. is this a nu development or an old one. pls tell me who has done this before. Jesus would be doing wat even Muhamed cud not do. abolish jizyah.
3. he will bring prosperity to the whole world. tell me who has done this before.
4. he will break the cross. yes tell me who has done this before.

Maybe u didn't understand my reply, u said

chickso43: Personally we muslims don't need him Jesus second coming is not going to bring anything new, he is coming for Christians]

He is coming t do a lot for islam. Pls read d hadiths

And about him not coming to doo smtin new. I will point out one for u. When he comes he is going to abolish the jizyah this is one thing Mohamed did not do. Stop deceiving urselves. All I have bin sayin are from islamic traditions

quivah: *do yu think Yahweh and Allah are referring to same diety
there is only 1 truth in your ill story! Yes! allah is a deity! Good you know yourself! But my almighty God isn't..
*if answer is yes. then go on to test the proof in the op
this is the most stupid thing have ever had!! Do you know what is called a psycological balance? No you don't,then i wouldn't argue on your test. Because,even if you wanna give it a try,your mind would prevent you! So,whats the essence,,, why don't you just hold on to your ill gotten belief! I have never seen a Christain comparing a muslim to him/her self because they know the difference is clear.. Don't know why it must always be you guys! Is it that you are scared you'v been misled or what?! Just stick to your belief!shiiiiooorrr

and ur point is...

are u sure u read the op.

chickso43: Personally we muslims don't need him Jesus second coming is not going to bring anything new, he is coming for Christians

guy u have so musch to learn about ur religion

Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya, and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it. (Sahih Muslim, Vol.1, p.92).

AbdH: 1)You misquoted me. I didn't write that.

2)Iya Chichi gave birth to four children.
1st being Chimezie
2nd being Emeka
3rd being Chukwudi
4th (last born) being Okafor.

When their mum was 50, Chimezie died. When she was 60, Emeka followed. 3rd born (Chukwudi) saw this trend and decided to run before their mum clocked 70 or else he was going to die like his brothers. When the woman clocked 80, Okafor died.
Then Chukwudi came back home. When people asked who he was, his mum said ''that is my 3rd born...not the last born. My last born is dead!''.
The last born cannot be taken from the one that was was given birth to last neither can the last prophet be taken away from Mohammad.

Or do you know any prophet that was born after him?

Did u read this
.THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET AFTER ME , but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)the statement reads “no prophet after” not no prophet born after.will Jesus a prophet come after.

8. If this is the government’s idea of transformation, I will have none of it. It seems their notion of change is to go from slow motion to no motion at all.

gud speech.

AbdH: Your threads are very funny i must say, you were adequately answered by my brothers, but you just won't accept the truth. It's pointless going back and forth with someone with a closed mind. ( Quote

adequately answered by who....those ur brothers are just hilarious. in all those threads u wud notice how they all ran away.
anyway thanks for the compliment atleast they were not offensive

sino: Now tell me the new message that prophet Jesus(AS) would bring, so we can call him the last prophet.
(according to Islam).

Jesus will be coming to do so many things but he won't be coming to bring a new message

If it is to be listed as to the last prophet to die, it is definitely Jesus. But as a person to act in the capacity of a prophet with a new message, it is, will be and will always remain Mohammad (Salallahu alayhi wa salaam)!!!

the fact that Jesus wud be following the law of Muhammad does not negate his position as a prophet that comes after Mohammad.

Say: "God speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans." S. 3:95 Y. Ali

Mohammed clearly followed the religion of Abraham and the prophets before him.
Thus, if Jesus following Muhammad’s religion implies that he is not to be viewed as a prophet or messenger coming after Muhammad, then by the same token Muhammad cannot be a messenger or prophet since he did nothing more than follow the religion of Abraham.

sino: Sighs!
It's a simple analogy, in Islam, there is an order of prophethood, just like a queue, there is no rearrangement, it's fixed and their era and time are fixed.
The prophet(SAW) was the last prophet sent to mankind, his message is still standing till eternity.



Very funny, it doesn't work like that in Islam, you need to study more about Islam my dear.

The prophet (SAW) is the seal of prophethood, no "new" prophet would be ordained by God, Jesus prophethood came before that of Prophet Muhammed(SAW), its an order, the first cannot be the last.

Jesus(AS) is NOT coming as a new or a last prophet, he preceds the Prophet (SAW) in prophethood, he'll come to preach what the last prophet(SAW) preached and follow his ways.
He is coming to fulfill is life, we muslims believe he did not die, so when he comes, he is not being sent with a message, rather he would come to live his life complete.

Do You know the message brought by prophet Muhammed (SAW)?

Now tell me the new message that prophet Jesus(AS) would bring, so we can call him the last prophet.
(according to Islam).
Mind you, all what Jesus (AS) would come to do had been told to us by the Last prophet(SAW). I would have loved to quote hadiths about the coming of Jesus(AS), maybe that would disabuse your mind.

Now think deeply before you reply this post, DO NOT CONFUSE CHRISTIANITY'S RETURN OF CHRIST WITH THAT OF ISLAM!

PEACE!

ok i get ur gist.
the statement goes like this: Muhammad is the last prophet
yu read it to mean that Muhammed was ordained last
and i read it to mean Muhammed should be the last to come

as it stands the statement is ambiguous if left on its own. so we have to see between u and me wu has the correct interpretation


Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place.THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET AFTER ME , but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)

From this we see that this hadith talks about AFTER (that is a timing of coming). there will be no prophet after Muhammad, but there will be caliphs after him. now was Jesus a prophet. yes. did he come after Muhammad yes.
dis does not support ur theory of first to be ordained

AbdH: God started sending prophets to warn and direct people to His ways. He sent all of them for the same purpose - preach to people to worship the one and only God. This purpose they all served till the last prophet whose name is Mohammad.
There is no other prophet coming after him with this same purpose of being a new prophet with the same message albeit in a different language, form and time. Is this hard to comprehend?

so from wat u r saying, Muhammad is the last prophet to deliver a message but not necessarily the last prophet to come on earth

am quite sure u get my point which is that Jesus being a prophet will be the last to come to earth. that makes him the last prophet to come on earth. that makes him the last prophet.

i have tried to show u that wen u say someone is the last, it means he is the last to come. its only wen u say he is the last with a message thats wen u will be making some sennse. but again dis doesnt work for me becos as it is Jesus will be coming with a msg.(if God sends Jesus a second time there must be a reason why God is doing this, this reason is the message)
1. if yu say Jesus is coming to judge. then his message is this "the time has come for all of yu to be judged. You bad guy take ur punishment. you gud guy take yor reward."
2. according to islam he will be leading the world to islam. how will he do this but to speak(deliver message). he will break the cross(stop the inconstitencies in christianity) how will he do this if not to tell his people that they are in the wrong. is this not a message.

either way Jesus has a message in his second coming.
so it goes like this
Jesus comes with a message, then Mohamed comes with a message then again Jesus comes with another message for christians and the world to accept islam or message of judgement.

MY BROTHER JESUS IS THE LAST PROPHET. SHIKENA
BY VIRTUE OF THE TIMING OF COMING AND BY VIRTUE OF DELIVERING MESSAGE OR ACHIEVING GODS PURPOSE

AbdH: Mr Desika, Jesus according to you, will be coming to judge the world when he comes. It will be late for people by then. Mohammad is the last prophet who brought the last message that can redeem people.

then according to u wat wud Jesus be doing wen he comes.
#by the way i see u ddnt answer my chart question. i will draw d chart again for u
Jesus~Mohammad~Jesus
wu is the last in this chart?if u r honest to ursef u wud ansa dis. but if u r being self deceptive u wud ignore it.

NOTE: In Jesus second coming, he is not coming to sit down. he is coming because God sent him to do somtin. now except u can convince me that Jesus wud not be doing anything wen he comes, then i will agree that Mohammed was the last messenger to do wat he was sent to do but Jesus did not do wat he was sent to do,he was just sitting down luking at u and me.[but then again Jesus wud stil be the last messenger only that the last messenger didnt do his job].

wen truth is shown to u all u do is run, run run away ehyah.
and to think that yu were a respected muslim voice on nairaland.
i hv to show yu truth, abandon ur falsehood

AbdH: Which one brought the last message?

u r trying so hard o.
When Jesus first came he had a job to do. When Mohamed came he had a job to do. Now when Jesus will be coming again will he be jobless.

sino: How many times have you been told to think on this forum?

aha! so u have been peeping at my threads and yu didnt have the mind to say anything. am sure they were so irrefutable tats y u cud not say anything.

#anywaysglad to no that u saw them. its up to u if u wud continue swiming in falsehood or shud i say irrrationality according to wheels or not

AbdH: Which of the two was sent to the world first?

Jesus
which of the two will be sent to the world last?
Jesus

sino: Lol, this guy is really trying hard o...lol

When one listens to you, with all your faulty reasoning, one might just want to get a stick and trash your behind.

I am in First bank right now, a very long queue, darn! network is bad, so i just step outside to get fresh air, told the guy behind me(who happens to be the last person) i'll be back, so when i come back, am i the last person?

How many times have you been told to think on this forum?

When Jesus comes back, is he coming as a new prophet? is he bringing a new religion?

Now who needs more thinking to do?

guy yu must really be a gud thinker if this is wat u come up with.
in ur example, u r taking ur position back. can u boldly say that Jesus will be taking his second to last position back wen he comes.
in ur example u came back to meet the last person, so u took back ur position. for us to say the same about Jesus, he (Jesus) must come back to meet the last person/prophet still around. Muhamed would have to stil be around. but no, Muhammed has left the scene and Jesus is coming back


#let me draw a chart for yu so u understand.
Jesus~Muhammed~Jesus
now tell me who is the last in that line up.

When Jesus comes back, is he coming as a new prophet? is he bringing a new religion?

Jesus is coming as a prophet that he is. there is nothing like coming as a old prophet or new prophet.
d question shud be "is Jesus coming to smile at yu, and then return home" no
as a messenger he is coming for a purpose..
so now think about it. i sent messenger 1 on an errand, he went and came back and later i sennt messengger 2 on anoda errand, he went and came back then finally i sent messenger 1 again. wu is the last messenger amongs my messengers.

over to yu thinkers

lacum: @alex, i dont like comnenting here because u pentecostals wont like to blive even after seeing d truth. jesus wouldnt have put all authoeity on d bible alone(as we have it today)because in his time they were other sacred writings which were used by d jews since jesus was a jew and d earlly xtians. in mat.28 jesus sent his church to go and preach and dat he will b wit dem till end of d world. so d authority should be on d church not bible. i know dis will b difficult for u since u feal dat d church's teachings are wrong but d truth is dat d church is not wrong because of d promise of christ. if bible alone is d authority st. paul wont have told us to stick to tradition(Gods words and d deeds of d apostles passed down by wors of mouth no written).
DID MARY ASK US TO PRAY THROUGH HER?
most of d teachings in d bible were never direct. for instance, jesus never opened his mouth to say"i am GOD" but we believe he is God since d bible said so using oda things he said, like"i and d father are one" so mary's intersection also come from d bible as well as tradition (d wedding at cana is a good example). u must forget those who say mary is dead like DESIKA because it means dat anybeing not physically alive is dead when d bible says otherwise. pls see d truth and not argue blindly

the thing that baffles me about ur kind is that for u to tell us any story about Jesus or Mary u fall to the bible. but when it comes to doctrine u side step the bible. one wud have expected that since u can do anything outside the bible u shud have told us some story of Jesus or Mary dats not in the bible. but no. the bible is yur authority wen it comes to the story of the wedding at cana and Elizabeth saluting Mary but wen u r shownn the truth u resort to "sola scripture" is not enough. wat else is self deception if not this.

chukwudi44: The canon of the christian scripture otherwise called the bible was created by the catholic church.Do live with that

if the catholic church created the bible it means the catholic church authored the bible. which am very sure u know that is false..

wen one listens to the many claims of moslem scholars one really cannot but ask do these people actually think before making such assertions.
one of such assertions goes like this
Mohammad is the last prophet
and then again you would hear them say that Jesus is coming back.

now if Jesus being a prophet comes back after prophet Mohammad how now is Mohammad the last prophet.

wen these sought of questions muslims will think you are asking is motivated by hate for the religion. they fail to understand that a simple answer to such questions help bring the the truth out to the asker..

so let me add that,
if Jesus comes after Muhammad that makes Muhammad atleast the second to the last prophet except ofcos if Mohammed will come back after that Jesus coming.

me sef am laughing in pidgin english..
this shud be in the jokes section

salaam

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chukwudi44: Why don't you show me from the bible where all we do in church should be from the bible?

pls read from the beginning of this thread.

Is the word bible even in the bible?

am sure u no dat scriptures = bible. now search the bible if u wud see scriptures. by the way this ur question is equivalent to a moslem asking if Jesus is a christian

The bible did not even exist until it was created by the catholic church of the fourth century.

bible created uhn. pls listen to ursef before u make a speech. SMH. like which book in the bible was written by a roman catholic?

Sola bible is not a teaching of the scripture but a teaching of martin luther

dis is the reason why anything is obtainable in the roman catholic church. they dont take the bible as an authoritative guide so why wunt there be priest molestation issues and homosexual stuffs, afterall its not in the bible that a catholic priest shud not molest or becom a homosexual and they can do wats not in the bible. BRO U NEED GUIDES IN ANY RELIGION. AND FOR CHRISTIANITY the WRITTEN GUIDE IS THE BIBLE.

and again, i find it an act of desperation that today a nnorthern governor will come out to say the real boko haram will accept amnesty and tomorrow anoder northern governor will say boko haram is not an islamic association. something is fishy about these governors self

i hear some people say boko haram is political bla bla bla.
then i ask those guys is there a seperation of state and religion in islam. moslems believe that their judicial system shud be an islamic one. now do the maths. sharia=judiciary=government=politics.
so if u know that islam has both a political and religious side to it, then u will know that boko haram has both a political annd religious side to it. so my friends stops hammering only on the political aspect of boko haram.


secondly, if boko is purely political then we must conclude that the churches which they bomb are their political enemies. or how can someone explain boko haram is pdp and yet boko haram is killing christians.
wetin concern christians and political enemies ni.

the last time i checked no mosque has been bombed. abi no political enemies in mosque abi.

BetaThings: Muslims will fight if attacked and stop when the attack stops
That is what is meant by limit
Perhaps you will show me any Christian society/country or even any society at all that has never fought back
That is why Pastor Oritsejafor (of CAN) is clamouring for the right to freely bear arms
We would not apologise for the permission to defend ourselves



Your own interpretation.
Those who live in glass houses.......
They say why are you always talking about Islam when you Christians are equally violent
We know that Christians have fought more wars than Muslims
They have ravaged more people in order to colonise and harvest their wealth than any other group on earth
For a start, remember the doctrine of discovery in the Americas
....should not throw stones

if u are looking for violence in christianity, then u have to give that credit to the roman catholic church of historical times not in our present day. but if u are looking for violence in islam, u have to give credit to the quran, Mohammed, his successors, moslem fighters of history and present day boko harams, alqaeda, taliban etc
and did yu say something about limit, pls tell me limits that boko guys employ when bombing a church

WHξξ∟s:
Behold! the hallucinating gentile is rebelling against his words again, if i really avoid your request & resort to provide peculiar answers instead, you wont dare to admit & give this remark:

i was making my statement to the general muslim audience not u in particular. i praised yu post because atleast it was easy to spot wat u meant. other guys dont give dat luxury they dont give clear answers dats wat i was saying.

I wish the presidency shall consider subsidizing the health sector & give free medication to the amnesia nitwits.[patriotic citizens prayer]

no problem at all. d presidency shud subsidize other sectors too.



#u said somthing was irrational, then later u go on to say why wudnt u do something that was irrational. i was only telling u wat u said

#then again u say

Am i wrong if i use a language i understand

my friend u shud have thought about this before u said the igbo mans bla bla was irrational. is the igbo man wrong if he uses a name which he understands to be God in another lannguage.

by the way some muslims dnt understand arabic so even if you say we shud allow u to use the arabic name because u understand arabic wat about those ones dat dont understand arabic. on wat ground shud they use the arabic name since they dont understand arabic

#by the way i didnt ask u to say akbar in hebrew.

Wasn't english foreign to you? what makes you chat in english Does that ridicule your ancestry? No!. As far as language is concerned, folks are free to chat & talk as as long as they understand what they were saying

. u shud have thought about this before placing irrational in that your igbo man/Ubanngiji statement.

Once again the gentile is attacking a straw man, i only point out an error in your statement & suggest you shall use paraphrase instead of remixing. It seems that you have just as much trouble making sense out of your folly, it makes one to ponder maybe this is some sort of medical condition.

ok i shud have used paraphrase instead of remix. i get it. but atleast u got the message

You again prove why i should'nt use an ambiguous name which many folks call differently, thats why i said even your superiors circumlocute profusely before arriving at one [assumed] name. Again one thing you are ignorant of was Ehyeh was the right word your scholars drew to mean I am

the hebrew guys who own the word all agree that its Yahweh.pls if u hv seen where any hebrew said its somthing else. pls let me know. u dont expet other languages to still hold to Yahweh as thiers too. its a hebrew word.

so wats my point with yu Wheels and other muslims.
these are my points
1. there are so many diferent languages in the world.
2. each language calls God by a diferent word. dont expet all languages to call God by same wording. dont expet an igbo man to tell yu that Yahweh is an igbo name.
3. Each man is free to use the word for God in his local dialect.
4. in addition to the above. Each man is also free to use the word for God in a difernt language. An igbo man can use the word Ubangiji, an hausa man can use the word Yahweh. it is not irrational since they are referring to the same being.
5. You canot interchange two words from diferent lannguages wen they dont mean the same thing. eg yu cant say Sango is the most high and Yahweh is the most high for the simple reason that they are not the same beings.[dis explains why it is dificult for muslims to use the word Yahweh and Allah interchangeably because in their innermost minds both are not the same
6. dis one is especailly for LagosShia. you canot explain the meaning of a word in a language that is not urs. the jews have told yu the meaning of the hebrew words YAHWEH and ALLELUYA and u are trying to tell wat it means[its just like an igbo man trying to explain to a yoruba man that eshe does not mean thank you. wen a yoruba man tells u dat eshe means thank u just take it like that, wen a hebrew man tells u that yahweh means I am, take it like that]


¤¢$¥¤ ....deSika# the truth is always wat it is......the truth. there is no going around it

u tell a moslem his religionn advocates violence he tells u prove it
u show it to him in the quran he says its defensive
u tell him to show u how its defensive he turns table at u and say Jesus is violent too....

wetin concern boko haram violence with Jesus being violent.[their think:if Jesus had somthing to do with violence then violence in islam is justified]

tintingz: you need to know the meaning of Jihad...

i hereby officially invite u to my threads. bro tintinz
www.nairaland.com/1256820/prove-me-allah-yahweh-same

www.nairaland.com/1253856/quran-complete-should-not-added

www.nairaland.com/1242521/muhammad-cannot-comforter

annd the others. they were created with muslims in mind..

yes non muslims have lots of questions. one of the ways you could teach them about islam is by responding to their questions. by so doing u dispel wrong notions and replace with the right knowledge.

questions like the following
how can muslims show a non muslim how islam was practised before Mohamed. how did the early muslims worship their God.pls show with proofs
1.. did thay recite the shadadah
2. did they believe in one God (Allah).
3. did they beleive that Mohammed is his prophet. (seal of the prophets)
4. did they pray five times a day
5. did they pay zakat
6. did they fast during the ramadan
7. did they go to Mecca for pilgrimage and what did they do when they went there

this is islam as practised by todays muslims. was it this same islam that the muslims practised before Muhammed. did the early muslims worship their God as highlighted in the above points.

i ask this question because i believe that when u make a statement you should be able to provide proofs.
Muslims have always said that Islam had existed before Muhammed came into the scene.

now in responding to these questions u must show proofs from Allah's word the quran. u are free to run to the "corrupted book" for help as long as u can prove that Allah was what they were worshipping and not Yahweh. (Nb Allah is not same with Elohim/Yahweh because it has not be proven yet. see this thread for reason why
www.nairaland.com/1256820/prove-me-allah-yahweh-same#15276612)

if u can answer the questions with proofs then u have bin able to educate a non muslim. IF U CANNOT then the statement that islam existed before the prophet is an assumption and a false one at that.
#remember u r educating non muslims.