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Mr. Globe:
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True talk. A satan once walked this part of the earth in the person of awolowo

If he really was satan himself, he would have had your father roasted in the war and saved us from an imbecilic being such as yourself. We would have been saved a huge headache!

Mr. Globe:

nwanne I was about to unload my armor on that nitwit but your question has done the deal. Yoruba people dont know their propaganda machine is now redundant. How can a sane person read this simple article and want us to believe David Mark was not straightforward on the thread title. Dont mind the bunch of touts raised by the very selfish, tribal, wicked and fraudulent awolowo

The only fraudulent and moronic arsehole here is YOU!! Taking someone else's statement and attributing it to David Mark is just pure evil, divisive and wicked! You are a liar, an unadulterated one and very demonic in nature!

I don't care much for David Mark but to lie and say he said something that he didn't? You guys are sinking fast, very fast indeed and you will be buried in your own web of lies. Desperate slow poke!

ghettodreamz: And that would only be possible if he has no money to bribe his way through ooooo or any strong ties with any gov't office holder of high hierarchy oooo. Anything is possible in Naija as long as money is involved ooooo, don't dull.

very valid point!

Banitez: It is quite unfortunate that there are some pple that dont understand certain facts behind state creation, that is why some disgruntled and uneducated elements are just pouring vituperations and casting aspersion unnecessarily.Keep your boggling mouths shut on elderly and germane iissues that border on development of this nation..Leave it for those who knows what to do, not nonsensicals and bigots.

Perhaps you would do well if you make us privy to these "certain facts" behind the creation of new states, oh wise one.

ghettodreamz: Well, the crime was committed in UK and he was caught there, so he has to serve there. Lucky him I would say, even though he has to serve in Naija, is there really true justice in Nigeria?

Nope! But there is jungle justice, which would be apt for an animal such as this.

ghettodreamz: Olopa ewo ni tepe

Which Nigeria, don't forget he's got to serve 20years before he faces deportation, so he still has a long way to go. He's inhumane and lacks conscience and compassion to humanity, really disgusting act, what a big user and loser. He so deserves the verdict,I hope he enjoys his jail term anyway.

Well, that isn't really justice, is it? He would still be feeding fat and watching satellite television and access to gym to keep fit in prison all at the expense of the UK tax payer. He would also get his condition seen to and assured of treatment for his disease. 20years is just a holiday for a demon such as himself. He should have been made to serve his time in 'kiri-kiri' and not in the UK. The human rights convention would protect him from any real punishment.

This is sickening! I hope the child didn't contract the dreaded virus from him. Animals like this keep making life difficult for other Nigerians. Yet some would come in and castigate others who feel ashamed to be identified as Nigerian.

I pray that he never gets antiretroviral drugs in Nigeria and that his conditions speeds up and develop into full blown AIDS!

mike404: Stop covering evil desola

Those of you who know that David Mark didn't say those things yet twisted it to make it appear that he did are indeed the EVIL ones. You lot are demonic! Santan's henchmen from hell.

It is saddening that people keep replying this piece of garbage without bothering to read to get the real facts. This is libel against David Mark by you scheming ibos and it is a shame that gullible and lazy fellows who can't be bothered to read the actual article are falling for your tricks!

It would be silly for LASG not to monetise this initiative and provide rental bicycles. If the state wouldn't do it, then I better start thinking of partnering with BMX and other bicycle manufacturers with the aim of providing cycle rentals at this stop.

This is an avenue to make money, people. Think!

Betterstill, find a reliable local manufacturer to cut costs and roll out big time.

naijababe: ^ Aboki, you're really slow today, isn't katz position the exact opposite of yours?

You saw it too?.

gogo2003: AM SHOCKED BY THIS COMING FROM DAVID MARK, PEOPLE DO CHANGE OH,OR IS HE AFRAID OF DEATH AS HE GETS OLDER, I PRAY ALL OTHER CRIMINALS IN POWER WILL REPENT LIKE DAVID MARK HAS DONE,AWOLOWO'S NAME SHOULD GO DOWN IN FLAMES FOR EVER, HE IS A DISGRACE TO THE BLACK RACE

Read the article and don't jump into conclusions. David Mark didn't say those things, the writer of the article did!

What is it with black people and reading?

9ja voice: David Mark’s neo-Zikist intentions

 1  TweetOctober 29, 2012 | 12:06 amPeople & Politics

By Ochereome Nnanna

SENATE President, David Bonaventure Mark, seems to be rapidly shedding his military political establishment’s ideological feathers. A former influential “IBB Boy” between 1985 and 1993, Mark, in latter years, seems to be repenting of some of the odious legacies of the internal colonialist policies the establishment forced down the throat of the nation in the 1999 Constitution before they vacated power.

The other day, following the Mubi slaughter of 42 students and other similar grisly slayings by the increasing army of malcontents around the country, Mark told his colleague senators and a listening nation that he was now in favour of introduction state police, as the current policing system has proved grossly incapable of apprehending the scale of violent criminality that lives with us today. It is common knowledge that most political figures from the military era, particularly those from the North, always kick against any notion of decentralising police functions because of their fear that they could form the embryos of new threats to disintegrate Nigeria.

In far away Quebec, Canada, last Monday, October 22, 2012 in his address at the 127th Inter Parliamentary Union, IPU, Assembly, Mark addressed the theme: “Citizenship, Identity, Linguistic and Cultural Diversity in a Globalised World”, with the progressive view that he would push for the replacement of “State of Origin” with “State of Residency” in the impending Constitution amendment exercise.Said he, to journalists: “Let’s forget the business of state of origin and go to stat of residence. Once you are resident in a place and you perform your civic responsibilities for the period, there is no reason why you should not benefit, provided, of course, you don’t claim dual residency”..

I call this a Zikist agenda, because Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe’s National Council of Nigerian Citizens, NCNC, right from its days under the leadership of Dr Herbert Macaulay, had dreamed of an independent Nigeria where the citizens would “forget their differences” and build a nation where everyone would be proud to belong; a model of patriotic dynamism out of Africa and a toast of the Black world. He had as associates outside the NCNC another political party in the North named the Northern Elements Progressive Union, NEPU, led by Malam Aminu Kano and his followers.

The NCNC was a truly national party, where Igbos produced elected officers in Lagos and parts of the old Western Region, and people from the Mid West and Yorubas won election in Port Harcourt. A Fulani man, Alhaji Umaru Altine, a staunch member of the kist Movement who went to jail in defence of zero tolerance to British colonialism, was elected the first Mayor Enugu. 


Zik’s fellow travelers

But Zik’s fellow travellers in the fight against British rule did not share his dreams. [b]When Obafemi Awolowo returned from England, his vision was to become part of a national political movement, but only if he would be allowed to control the Western Region cell of it. He eventually founded the Action Group,which had the primary mission of taking over the West and launching out to other parts. In the North, Alhaji Ahmadu Bello and his group were deeply concerned of what Zik would do with Islam and the North if he assumed leadership at independence.[/b]

They hijacked the Northern Peoples Congress, NPC, an unabashed regional party. With the West and the North now in the hands of regionalists, the NCNC and its nationalist vision were thwarted and reduced to the regional fringes. Awolowo popularised the agitation for creation of states for the Minorities.It was from these stimuli that the struggle by local elites to take control of the political space within their areas became popular. As soon as the nationalists were pushed out of political relevance, the regionalists in the Nigerian Army started as from 1967 to split Nigeria into states and local governments to give local elites the platforms for the freeloading on Nigeria’s oil wealth (the National Cake). 


Born of the demon

Thus was born the demon of “state of origin”, which created the indigene/settler dichotomy among Nigerian citizens. This is the singular detractor to our national integration because a Nigerian can live all his life in a part of the country other than his place of ethnic roots and yet live like a foreigner in his own country. He will pay taxes, yet his children will not benefit from state government free education and bursary awards, which are reserved for “indigenes”. He can register and vote, but cannot be voted for.

He and his family will be counted as part of the local population of his state of residency, and yet when the federal allocation that comes as a result of the population density arrives he and his family are discriminated against.In spite of his contributions to the development of the state, he and his family are frequently harassed, displaced and often killed by mobs incited by local politicians against enterprising “settlers”.Mark’s intentions are noble.

Without giving Nigerians a sense of belonging wherever they live the country will never become a nation. It will never be united. Nigerians have been raised on a diet of ethnic and sectional dichotomies for more than 70 years. States and local governments have been established to institutionalise national disunity. We all are now tribalists and sectionalists at heart. It is in our blood. Even if Mark gets the support of his colleagues to push through the reform, it might merely exacerbate the hostility of “indigenes” against “settlers”, and local politicians might respond with more incitement to violence.However, we commend the Senate President for standing by this nationalist agenda and hope he will not be discouraged by the odds. 


Off to New York City

AS you read this piece, I will be in New York City, USA, my self-chosen primary staging post for coverage of the American presidential and other elections tied thereto.I will move around quite a bit, touching base in Washington for sure.I will endeavour to look out for story angles that are relevant to us in Nigeria in our practice of the presidential system. STAY WITH THE BEST!

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/10/david-marks-neo-zikist-intentions/

Your reading and comprehension skills are appalling to say the very least. In your own little mind, you have quoted David Mark and put his comment in bold when in actual fact, all you have done is highlighted the writer's own words. You are a shame to the money that may have been spent on your education - if any at all! Sheesh! Blo.ody liars! That's what you all okoros are! You would say and do anything to advance your course and it's a shame that a lot of rejoinders on this thread did not take this fact into account.

READ FOR YOURSELVES, PEOPLE! DAMMIT!!

Katsumoto: STFU

If the AG was implementing regional/ethnic policies, it would not have increased its vote from 1 (1954) in the North to 25 (1959) and from 7 (1954) to 14 (1959) in the East.

It is you that has a warped logic. Look at the results and stop yarning dust as usual.

Can you tell us what these nationalist policies Zik proposed. The argument about Zik being a nationalist had nothing to do with policy but personal ambition. Agreed he wanted Nigeria at all cost but why was that? What was so attractive about Nigeria that Zik was willing to forget differences between cultures and the loss of Igbo lives in the 40s and 50s?

Domination; self aggrandisement!

ndu_chucks: I am uncomfortable flogging babes on this thread, so I will no longer respond to My dear naijababe and Desola. I also hope that the fact that I used the phrase "my dear" will pain dem gan ni.

in your own limited thought processor, you have flogged women - how st.upid is that? Thank you lucky stars that I have been busy with other productive things today hence my inconsistent replies on this thread. I haven't even started with you so bask in your supposed glory until my undivided attention. Mofo!

nenepea: MumuDesola

ibo niwo ti ja wa t'olokun lorun? Ti o ba so ara e, maa mu e paleya. Omo okoro osi!

Chidi4u: Pls check Vanguard Newspaper of today.It is there or you can use google.

I did just that and even went out of my way to pin extract in full, above.

Perhaps you should be the one doing the reading and not just taking your fellow ibo man's cunning extract as gospel.

Abagworo: I dey laugh o. David Mark just said the truth. The NCNC was the only National Party and was headed by an Igbo and the 1st Mayor of Enugu was an Hausa Man. Awolowo started tribalist party known as AG( Today's ACN) while his Northern brothers did same.

Everyday, Igbos keep getting vindicated.

Those were the writer's words and not David Mark! Why are you people so evil?

Sagamite: You are a person!

U need to show sense instead of being moronic.

There is no maturity on my side for people that are purely and utterly moronic.

I have no maturity for a mooron that states the reason to create a state is because some people fought gallantly in 1891.

A fcking cretin! I have no patience for someone at that intellectual level. I just call them what they are.

You are a person! A cretinous product of a failed education system!

It is a crime against humanity you have a right to vote.

Ekun abijawara fun ra e! O tun ti de, omo ijoba!

ndu_chucks: Are you attempting to put words in my mouth? You fully understand that the Yoruba elders of the Ijebu extraction who were marginalized by PDP's OGD and currently being sidelined by ACN, are more responsible more making the request for Ijebu state and lobbying for David Mark's support. Hold those elders more responsible for the creation of Ijebu state if you believe the creation is a bad idea, do not blame this on David Mark's politicking.

Besides, the creation of Ijebu state is in the best interest of Ijebus, why does the creation of Ijebu state concern you?

You are dim! OGD, a shagamu son marginalising his own people? Ode paraku ni iwo bobo yi. Must you open your gob and comment on every issue that you know nought about?

what is it with you people and lies, propaganda et al? Why do you choose selective texts and rewrite it to make it appear as a quote from another? You lot cannot and should not be trusted. Here is the full article and I highlight senator Mark's quote:

David Mark’s neo-Zikist intentions
on OCTOBER 29, 2012 · in PEOPLE & POLITICS
12:06 am
1
By Ochereome Nnanna
SENATE President, David Bonaventure Mark, seems to be rapidly shedding his military political establishment’s ideological feathers. A former influential “IBB Boy” between 1985 and 1993, Mark, in latter years, seems to be repenting of some of the odious legacies of the internal colonialist policies the establishment forced down the throat of the nation in the 1999 Constitution before they vacated power.

The other day, following the Mubi slaughter of 42 students and other similar grisly slayings by the increasing army of malcontents around the country, Mark told his colleague senators and a listening nation that he was now in favour of introduction state police, as the current policing system has proved grossly incapable of apprehending the scale of violent criminality that lives with us today. It is common knowledge that most political figures from the military era, particularly those from the North, always kick against any notion of decentralising police functions because of their fear that they could form the embryos of new threats to disintegrate Nigeria.

In far away Quebec, Canada, last Monday, October 22, 2012 in his address at the 127th Inter Parliamentary Union, IPU, Assembly, Mark addressed the theme: “Citizenship, Identity, Linguistic and Cultural Diversity in a Globalised World”, with the progressive view that he would push for the replacement of “State of Origin” with “State of Residency” in the impending Constitution amendment exercise.

Said he, to journalists: “Let’s forget the business of state of origin and go to state of residence. Once you are resident in a place and you perform your civic responsibilities for the period, there is no reason why you should not benefit, provided, of course, you don’t claim dual residency”.

I call this a Zikist agenda, because Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe’s National Council of Nigerian Citizens, NCNC, right from its days under the leadership of Dr Herbert Macaulay, had dreamed of an independent Nigeria where the citizens would “forget their differences” and build a nation where everyone would be proud to belong; a model of patriotic dynamism out of Africa and a toast of the Black world. He had as associates outside the NCNC another political party in the North named the Northern Elements Progressive Union, NEPU, led by Malam Aminu Kano and his followers.

The NCNC was a truly national party, where Igbos produced elected officers in Lagos and parts of the old Western Region, and people from the Mid West and Yorubas won election in Port Harcourt. A Fulani man, Alhaji Umaru Altine, a staunch member of the Zikist Movement who went to jail in defence of zero tolerance to British colonialism, was elected the first Mayor Enugu.



Zik’s fellow travelers

But Zik’s fellow travellers in the fight against British rule did not share his dreams. When Obafemi Awolowo returned from England, his vision was to become part of a national political movement, but only if he would be allowed to control the Western Region cell of it. He eventually founded the Action Group, which had the primary mission of taking over the West and launching out to other parts. In the North, Alhaji Ahmadu Bello and his group were deeply concerned of what Zik would do with Islam and the North if he assumed leadership at independence. They hijacked the Northern Peoples Congress, NPC, an unabashed regional party. With the West and the North now in the hands of regionalists, the NCNC and its nationalist vision were thwarted and reduced to the regional fringes. Awolowo popularised the agitation for creation of states for the Minorities.

It was from these stimuli that the struggle by local elites to take control of the political space within their areas became popular. As soon as the nationalists were pushed out of political relevance, the regionalists in the Nigerian Army started as from 1967 to split Nigeria into states and local governments to give local elites the platforms for the freeloading on Nigeria’s oil wealth (the National Cake).



Born of the demon

Thus was born the demon of “state of origin”, which created the indigene/settler dichotomy among Nigerian citizens. This is the singular detractor to our national integration because a Nigerian can live all his life in a part of the country other than his place of ethnic roots and yet live like a foreigner in his own country. He will pay taxes, yet his children will not benefit from state government free education and bursary awards, which are reserved for “indigenes”. He can register and vote, but cannot be voted for. He and his family will be counted as part of the local population of his state of residency, and yet when the federal allocation that comes as a result of the population density arrives he and his family are discriminated against.

In spite of his contributions to the development of the state, he and his family are frequently harassed, displaced and often killed by mobs incited by local politicians against enterprising “settlers”.

Mark’s intentions are noble. Without giving Nigerians a sense of belonging wherever they live the country will never become a nation. It will never be united. Nigerians have been raised on a diet of ethnic and sectional dichotomies for more than 70 years. States and local governments have been established to institutionalise national disunity. We all are now tribalists and sectionalists at heart. It is in our blood. Even if Mark gets the support of his colleagues to push through the reform, it might merely exacerbate the hostility of “indigenes” against “settlers”, and local politicians might respond with more incitement to violence.

However, we commend the Senate President for standing by this nationalist agenda and hope he will not be discouraged by the odds.

Off to New York City

AS you read this piece, I will be in New York City, USA, my self-chosen primary staging post for coverage of the American presidential and other elections tied thereto.

I will move around quite a bit, touching base in Washington for sure.

I will endeavour to look out for story angles that are relevant to us in Nigeria in our practice of the presidential system. STAY WITH THE BEST!

aribisala0: Awon ni o je ki ojo ro. Ti o ba tun ro awon na lo je ki gbogbo eko ko flood. Awon na ni won paa Yar'adua ati Michael Jackson!

awon omo Igbo ati complex wan yii sa. Won tun ti debi lati wa da discussion yii ru.

naijababe: Carve another state out of already tiny Ogun State? Thinking with their ars/es as usual

Aren't they just? Everyone wants to have a state and it's just ridiculous! In this age when the Remo people don't even see themselves as Ijebu? I think this is solely the agenda of the Awujale ojare and David Mark is egging them on and deceiving them only for his own selfish purpose. We all know that David Mark is gearing toward 2015, hence his stupid comments of late to appease different quaters. Firstly, it was that state of origin needs to be done away with; he knew this would appeal to the okoros. Now, he's trying to sweeten the Yorubas up with the idea of getting an extra state. What a 'loada' rubbish!

ikeyman00: @@@@desola


yes u are correct there; they brought the hate just for being blessed! thanks and hope we now move on from here

thanks sis?

Okay, you are blessed and that is why you're hated.

NOw, keep it moving...

This is just ridiculous!!!

I would like to know if the Akarigbo of remoland is part of this silliness. In the times when we are meant to be looking toward regionalism, some are looking to fragment us even further? Yes, so you get money to spend all to yourselves rather than sharing it with Abeokuta but we should be looking more into longevity and preservation than all this rubbish Nigeria is throwing at us. Why integrate into Nigeria, further?

ikeyman00: ^^^^ yes we already know that

nice to appreciate the tax payers which u embellish to hate some of them

Perhaps because that 'some' brought the hate upon themselves.

Listen, this thread is not about you and yours but about the ingenuity of the LASG - can we keep to the topic?

More money for Lagos! Lagos is doing all it takes to drive in the revenue. A good way to show that with good initiatives, a country does not have to rely so heavily on the derivatives from oil.

This is assuming that the bikes would be provided by LASG and riders would have to pay to use them, of course.

Andro Blaze: So what they did was self praise while what Awolowo did was genocide eh?

Anway you are choosing to miss the point and as usual steer us away from the topic. Over and over again on this forum one particular tribe is accused of all of the historical woes that has befallen another tribe when it is there for everyone to see in black and white.

1.Who started making sectional superiorty comments in public??

2.Whose leaders insisted that Nigeria must include the Northern region who were so fundamentally different because they were so far behind the other two (and even Northern leaders saw no hope in Nigeria for themselves until they were sweet talked and made foolish promises that have come to haunt the rest of us in Nigeria who don't happen to be Hausa/Fulani)??

3.Why was this insisted on- could it have been because this particular tribe had gone so far from their home that they found themselves lording it and being a privileged class over that largely illiterate region?

4.Also- after coexisting peaceably with Yorubas and other minorities in the North for almost a 100 years, why was the first Northern (and Nigerian) genocide commited by Northerners against the Easterner ?

5.Why did these Eastners still insist on a Nigeria despite this happening pre-indepndence (go back to question 3 for the answer)?

6. What tribe was the first to publicly accuse the other of tribalism all because they didn't let the Zik of Africa (indeed Africa) rule over a region he did not exclusively call home? Were their no literate leaders of that same region who could
lead their people themselves? Why did Eyo Ita not remain premier in the east then if this tribe was truly as detriablised as they claimed?

7. Who shared power with the North after independence creating the template for the modern Nigerian "born to rule mentality"??

8. What tribe openly canvassed and got the breaking up of another region to increase their sphere of influence??

9. Who later decided that they couldn't stand being subservient to the North in the center and wanted to renegotiate terms??

10. When they failed politically who committed the first military coup to renegotiate those terms?? Was he Yoruba- despite the fact that the Yoruba had lost out politically since 1960?

11. Whose leaders died? Whose leaders all lived? Who is Ifeajuna's (the man behind the coup) cousin? Who was conveniently out of the country when this took place?

12. Which tribe benefitted from the coup, whose son and army of advisers led?? Which tribe forced Nigeria into a Unitary system, knowing they dominated the civil service in 2 out of 3 regions??

13. Which tribe voluntarily engages in a war and then singlehandely blames one tribe for not feeding them and their impoverishement?? Despite the fact that in the whole of Nigeria, only their did they feel safe during the war, get their property back and not even one Igbo hair was reported harmed as vengance or any mob action recorded their.

14. Then what old fool rehashes all of this, puts the blame on Yorubas for their starving dead, impovershiment, defeat, political irrelevance etc. (while choosing to absolve his first cousin of any blame) propagating disdain/pity in so many like me who loved his dignifed Igboness before.

You people always say we should be honest, but why don't you try it for once.

so very well articulated and provoked my thoughts. I am very happy that Yorubas are finally waking up and turning away from their live and let live attitude toward Nigeria and finally taking stock. Most impressive is seeing our generation showing keen interest in the history of Nigeria and the antecedents that led us into this current quagmire. I am fairly content that the Yorubas know their place in the history of this country and that our future is in good hands because a good number of us appear to be versed in the politics of Nigeria thereby knowing how to protect ourselves and our interests.

cjrane: Hehehe,
Before 1957, a Hausa man had been a Mayor in Enugu. Yoruba men had many positions and businesses in the eastern region.Everyone knows that in 1957, Eyo ITa was the Premier of the East and Nnamdi Azikiwe defeated Awolowo to become the Premier of western region. Awolowo then played his trumph card of tribalism to force the then "detribalised Yorubas" that had voted for Zik to cross carpet overnight. That singular act resounded across Nigeria that you cannot become a premier in a region other than your tribal area. A situation which has continued until date. It is tragic that Awolowo killed the chance of Nigeria ever being a true country out of his inordinate ambition to become premier in the western region.

"de-tribalised", did you say? You kid yourself.

Yes!! Amosun is waking up! My dream is coming true! If Lagos and Ogun can do it, the whole of the west will be transformed in no time!

Up Oodua!

Yeske!

Pharoh: Hope it was not allocated for free? That means the federal government of Nigeria can allocate land to another African country for food production in the name of West African regional integration. Every country in west African are sovereign states and that same sovereignty applies to states within Nigeria as they are presently the federating units of the country. This move is very strange in my opinion and what becomes of this when we eventually move from state of origin to state of residence?.

This regional integration is seen from the eyes of the southwest being Yoruba populated but if we eventually move to state of residence then it is not right for a state to allocate land to another state for food production. This regional integration is becoming something else and i don't know anywhere in the world where this kind of integration happens.

Hahahahhaha....excuse me laugh o....

Okoro man has started salivating and counting his blessings even before the legislation of state of residence and the abolishment of state of origin. Hahaha...this is super funny! In your dreams, you don see this spastic comment of David Mark being passed into law, abi?

I have told all of una say: The fear of Tinubu is the beginning of wisdom. Una never hear am! Dey there dey wail while the westside keeps progressing, shogbo.

Hahaha...you people better not kill somebody with lafta o.

Fani Kayode elejo wewe.

I dated Bianca, My father was this; I was close to that. O ga ju! When we don tongue lash you for here finish on your disrespect for the great Awo awa daddy, you come dey back track now. Oshisko.