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brocab:
TWO PERSONS ARE NOT MENTION HERE.
As we can see both seem to have one of the same equalities.
You still don't get it do you?

John 1:5 "God is light, In Him there is no darkness at all.
John 8:12 "Jesus is the light of the world. whoever follows Me will not walk in darkness.

As it shows, not one of you really take any notes that's has been written word for word of bible scriptures on this forum about Christ-that's about right-you don't even try to understand the truth.
No-one can help you understand-how the Lord had revealed such wisdom-given us a discernment about the word of God, without you having any understanding, I feel like I am trying to lead the blind-you have no knowledge how the Spirit of God reveals His secrets, concerning the bible.
You need to ask the Spirit of God to reveal such secrets of information to you. Going to your elders is a waste of time..

Praise the lord for ever more.

malvisguy212:
if you follow the argument, you will understand my point, Jesus indicate Him and the father are ONE, and during the baptism, the Father affirm 'IN YOU I am well pleased' what does this mean? It mean Christ is a man who was possessed by God. The fact that christ eat, sleep,wash his face, proved he is a man. And in John 17 Jesus pray like a man to God in his human nature. Even God call the son 'God'

Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne,
O God, will last for ever and ever; a
scepter of justice will be the scepter of
your kingdom.

malvisguy212:
Scholar8200 God bless you.

Let me say a little. The Bible is full of scriptures that, when quoted without any consideration of others verses , a
person can misuse in all sorts of way. Jesus statement was made in opposition to the world's false god (as in God is"the only true God" ) you believe Jesus is the son of God, does that make Him a false God? NO. It was in the overall context of John’s
gospel account,which is filled with
statements testifying of Jesus’ deity, that
the apostle recorded Jesus’ prayer to His
Father the night of His betrayal (John 17).
But how can Jesus’ statement about His Father being “the only true God” be harmonized with statements by Jesus, the apostle John, John the Baptizer,
Thomas, etc. affirming the deity of
Christ? We believe that when a person
understands that Jesus’ statement was
made in opposition to the world’s FALSE
gods, and not Himself, the reference to
the Father being “the only true God”
harmonizes perfectly with the many
scriptures that attest to the deity of Christ. Infact the book of John is were christ is proclaimed God more than the rest gospel.

Furthermore, if Jesus’ reference to the
Father being “the only true God”
somehow excludes Jesus from being
deity, then (to be consistent) Jesus also
must be disqualified from being man’s
Savior. God said: “Besides me there
is no savior” (Isaiah 43:11) YET, Paul and Peter referred to Jesus as our “Savior” several times in their inspired writings (Ephesians 5:23; Philippians 3:20).

Bottomline, when you made an accusations, considered other verses.

Scholar8200:
(Pls if my input is not needed just let me know)

Was Jesus the Name of the Pre-Incarnated Christ? NO

When and why was He to be so Named? When HE was to be incarnated (i.e to be found in fashion as a Man Matthew 1:21 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:[bfor he shall save his people from their sins.[/b])

Therefore being found in fashion as a Man, do we see Him insisting on His being worshipped as God and trying to 'prove' to people that He was God? NO

Why?
7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross
Philipians 2:7-9

For One in this case, what would He call the Father? Like every other man, GOD!

Now while He didnt use His power as God, there were instances when HIS speech showed Who HE was.

brocab:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

John 1:14-17 "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
His glory is as of the only begotten of the father, the word is the only begotten , not the father.
[quote]John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:13 "He was clothed with the rope dipped in blood, and His name is called The word of God.

John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time, The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father. He has declared Him.

1 John 1:5 "God is light in Him there is no darkness at all.

Denying Christ as you do" you are worshipping a God you don't even know. Isn't that class as idol worship.

Jolliano:
LOL. I already answered all the questions you wrote.

There is no other Gospel written by actual disciples and apostles. What you have are rubbish books written by Gnostics and attached with an apostolic name e.g The Gospel of Peter and The Gospel of Thomas.

They were not trying to compile an encyclopedia so they did not need to include all books. If they had done so,they would have never finished the bible because everyone more than ten people would write new books which they would also have to add and so, they use a limit to choose those books.

Ubenedictus:
i think u mean to say, "if it conflicts with my interpretation of scriptures". An open book on a temple hardly read and interpretes itself.

PastorAIO:
Oral means by word of mouth. abi? Now I believe that you are saying you accept that the church has traditions but not oral traditions. Well Jolliano has addressed that adequately here:

Is that enough for you or must you hear one such oral tradition spelt out before you accept what the bible says about the church having oral traditions.

I'm not talking about the inspiration of the books. I'm stating that the very bible that you're talking about is a part of the church tradition.

Not you specifically but I've heard it said a lot here and elsewhere. I was being presumptuous, Sorry. Perhaps you can set me straight by stating your position clearly. Simply say: I, Dolphinheart, do not believe that Catholics disregard the bible.

Thank you. Now think about this carefully. Read what you've said once again. And then ask yourself the question that you've been asking in your last couple of post. 'Is there an instance of Oral tradition that Catholics teach'? You see that you don't need to go round and round in circles. As the catholics here have pointed out, if they tell you, you will say it is occult. Are you not demonstrating exactly what they predicted of you. Even since the start of this thread?

You are free to interpret the bible any which way you choose. You asked for an oral tradition.

What tradition necessary for salvation was eventually written down, and what happened to the poor souls who practiced christianity before it was written down?

I don't know what is the relevance of killing people with contrary view to state church, but I'm glad that you're not condemning illiterate christians because they cannot read bible.

Jolliano:
1. yes, some of them were inspired. They were not added because the Church decided to choose only books from Peter, the Apostles, Paul and the four Gospels.

2. Is it not part of what they heard (Oral tradition) that they wrote down as Scripture? Where was it stated that they wrote down all they taught? Just a straight answer please.

3. Please show me from the Scriptures how the Church is not perfect.

4. Show me from the scriptures which books are to be regarded as scripture. Dont point to table of content o. Because Moses who wrote the first book did not write table of content.

5. According to Jesus, in order to offer God an offering/worship/e.t.c. , you must be at peace with your brother. This peace is therefore necessary for salvation. Where did Jesus say that he peace will come from? Read for yourself.

"Mat 18:15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
Mat 18:16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
Mat 18:17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican"

Jesus did not say take your brother and do bible study and you will find peace. SO this Peace which is necessary to worship God, which makes it necessary for salvation is not found in Scriptures.

6. By the way, i thought you guys said the world supposed to end in 1914, then, 1925 , then e.t.c. Why are we still here? Where did you see it in the bible?

lacum:
you want to know d oral traditions not in d NT but when they give them to you, you link them to one occultic history or a pagan tradition.

PastorAIO:
you're missing the point. The bible itself is part of tradition that has been handed down from generations upon generations.

There are many books in this world but the bible was compiled, copied and given special TLC by the church and handed down along with the sacraments and other oral traditions.

You contradict yourselves when you say that catholics only know what they know because 'scriptures told them'. Only a minute ago all I was hearing was how Catholics never read the bible and disregard the bible. So it is either they got their knowledge from the bible or they didn't.

You have to decide which one it is that you believe, because there are still many christians in this world who are illiterate and I hope you are not condemning them because they cannot read the bible.

Jolliano:
Yes. Luke and Mark were not direct disciples of Christ so they could not know what exactly happened and was said at The last supper unless some one told them.

It was later that they were recorded down in written form.

Jolliano:
1. You are overlooking the difference in many protestant teachings all formed from reading the bible and claiming the right to personal interpretation. E.g. Females should not wear trousers/Females should not wear trousers.

Jesus is God/ Jesus is not God.

2. Jesus as the Word in John 1:1 is not the same as the bible (word of God). Abi was it through the bible that all things were made?

3. To be saved requires worshipping the TRUE GOD (THE MOST HOLY TRINITY).

God asked us to worship him in truth and in Spirit.(John 4:24) The truth is revealed by the Spirit. The bible does not contain the fullness of the truth(God's Revelation) but points to the Church which is The Pillar and Foundation of Truth.

And here are some examples:
a. The reference to "He shall be called a Nazarene" cannot be found in the Old Testament, yet it was "spoken by the prophets" (Matt. 2:23). Therefore, this prophecy, which is considered to be "God's word," was passed down orally rather than through Scripture.

b. In Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus teaches that the scribes and Pharisees have a legitimate, binding authority based "on Moses' seat," but this phrase or idea cannot be found anywhere in the Old Testament. It is found in the (originally oral) Mishnah, which teaches a sort of "teaching succession" from Moses on down.

c. In 1 Corinthians 10:4, Paul refers to a rock that "followed" the Jews through the Sinai wilderness. The Old Testament says nothing about such miraculous movement. But rabbinic tradition does.

d. "As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses" (2 Tim. 3:. These two men cannot be found in the related Old Testament passage (cf. Ex. 7:8ff.) or anywhere else in the Old Testament.

4. Baptism is necessary for salvation/Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Both claim to inspired by the Holy Spirit (although the first one is correct).
The Eucharist is the Body And Blood of Jesus and is necessary for Eternal Life(John 6)/ The Eucharist is just a symbol. (Although we know the first is correct).

Aizenosa:
Pls kindly show me this in John's gospel because it said He was there Mark 9: 2-13 also in 2 Peter 1: 16-18

Jolliano:
Oh. Pagan worship. So when Christ offered himself as a bloody sacrifice, He did not know what He was doing?
When he celebrated Passover, he didn't know abi?

Jolliano:
1. The interpretation of Scripture is not in scripture.

2. The list of books which actually make up the scriptures is not found in the scriptures.

3. The Word of God(JESUS) is not the same as the word of God(BIBLE). Jesus is centrally and mainly needed for salvation not the bible. And Jesus is present to us through his Mystical Body(Which according to the bible is the Church He built) and not through the bible.

Again, when Paul wrote that Letter, many new testament books had not been written. Paul wrote that letter to defend the use of the Old Testament(Books of Judaism) in teaching because Jesus used it also.

Understand that there was no New Testament when he wrote that letter.

There are no other translations apart from Jehovah witness translation

Please refer me to the
manuscript you are referring to.
Again, I have studied most of
them and we have access to
most of them

You keep missing my point. If you are a CEO of a company and your brother is a CEO both of you will be given the respect and privileges of a CEO. My point is that Jesus was God in the flesh. It's clear from scripture Colossians 2:9 = For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

My bad - what did you say?

What did Thomas mean when he said " My Lord and My
God". Thomas called Jesus
God with a capital G - why did
thomas do this?

Here are the verses I am referring to:
1. Revelation 21:5-7: 5 He
who was seated on the
throne said, “I am making
everything new!” Then he
said, “Write this down, for
these words are trustworthy
and true.” 6 He said to me: “It
is done. I am the Alpha and
the Omega, the Beginning
and the End. To the thirsty I
will give water without cost
from the spring of the water
of life. 7 Those who are
victorious will inherit all this,
and I will be their God and
they will be my children.
Here we see the identification
that Alpha and Omega is
Jehovah God right?

2. Revelation 22:13 = I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the end, the
first and the last.
Here we see Jehovah as being
called the first and the last - is
that correct?

3. Revelation 1:17 = When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last.
Here we see Jehovah called
the first and the last again. So
far, do you agree that it is
Jehovah that is being
referenced?

Aizenosa:
Same also persons who they quote their names while praying, we are all images.

Ubenedictus:
which ones are in colour?

Ubenedictus:
ok dear, let me go your way.
1kings 6 and 7 we see so many temple images that don't have express divine command. It seems d artist used his artistic imagination and made image of bull, other animals, some plants and even cherubim (not d ones wit d ark), it seems d guy made some images just like that. What is ur position on that since u say they cant make image witout express command. I see u have limited ur attack to mary's image.

Image is image, if u are gonna give a pass 4 Jesus image then u have no case.

Ubenedictus:
2 th 2:15, 3:6

if u are aware dat ur bible doesnt contain all revealed truth then why are u teaching sola scriptura?

this is an xample of an appetizer work, d apostle wasn't even interested in putting much on paper instead he tell dem dat he is coming to teach with word. 2 jn 1:12.

Ubenedictus:
2 tim 3:15
And how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in
Christ Jesus.

This is what d bible said, it was talking abt d scriptures timothy knw from infancy i.e the old testament.
So let me ask u d same question
is the scriptures timothy knew from infancy suffient for u? Or simply profitable as d bible says.

So now let me answer ur question. When Jesus left d earth he didnt just leave us a book, infact he never mentions a tin abt writting a book! Fewer than half of d apostle wrote books in d new testament. What Jesus did say to peter is "upon this rock i will build my church...and the gates of hades will not prevail against it".
So for salvation, i not only have scripture, but the divinely established church to teach and interprete it.

Aizenosa:
U quite forget that John wrote that all isn't in his gospel and yet his gospel is the most comprehensive

Ubenedictus:
if d bolded is true why did paul mandate dat his oral traditions be transmitting thru word of mouth from generation to d next?

Ubenedictus:
actually, latin was the common language at the time, not because of any 'romance', by that time the empire had been moved from rome to constatinople (where greek was still spoken), the change in language had nothing to do wit d government of d day, d government was out of rome.

Ubenedictus:
there is a point u seem ignorant of, at that time the new testamement was still been written! They were just letters then! The scripture that passage is talking about is d one it says timothy knows from Childhood, it seems u didnt read d whole passage. It is talking abt the Old Testament alone! That was d only available known scripture. If u apply ur funny logic that means d old testament contains everything needed by a Christian.
The bible doesn't say so!

What the bible says is pretty different! It says it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It says it is profitable for all those thing, it doesn't say it is sufficient! The gathering of d faithful is also profitable but not necesary sufficient.

The bible doesnt say all u need for salvation is written. It says d scripture (in d right context d old testament) is profitable for salvation.

Jolliano:
"John did not retell the Gospel, he wrote his own version...."

You are contradicting yourself. Retellin a story means to tell a story again and that is what John did in His Gospel. He while retelling the Gospel decided to add some things which were not in the other ones. And everyone accepts it.

Same was done with Esther and you reject it. That is a double standard approach.

ramzylipi:
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sirthisthickkal:
Daniel craig is a very good actor but not a very good James Bond, I prefer the former ones like Pierce brosnan, Roger moore.

armadeo:
I kinda liked Antman. Particularly that Mexican looking dude.

He made the movie to me with his caffeinated attitude.

Ubenedictus:
where did u get this from?

Where did d bible say it contains all that is needed for salvation.

My bible kips pointing to other sources

it neva claims to contain d fullnes of truth.

Infact many letter were written as appetizer for when d apostles come. They were neva written to contain all!