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SisterSister:
[b] My dear, please re-read what I shared previously?

We, human beings, are one person. Mind, body, spirit = one person

Pls show prove of these.

God is not a person, God is spirit. The trinity is 3 in 1, but not 3 persons in 1 person. God the Father, Son/Word of God, Holy Spirit = One God

Is jesus a person or not?
Is the holy spirit a person or not?
Is the father a person or not? .
If you say they are persons, then we have 3 persons!

[color=#990000] "For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE". (1 John 5:7)

False translation inserted by those who are trying to make the scripture support the false doctrine.

Will you be willing to do something? Will you read the book of John in the Bible, even if you have read it before? If I may suggest the King James Version and another version like New Living or which ever one you have available, so that you can compare the two as you read.

just pointed out the translation of a verse that I have issues with.

When you have finished reading the whole book of John, will you please return to this thread and share with us what you can? [/color]
[/b]

We can share what we have read when we have examined some issues of mistranslations found in the version you suggested.

Always remember what jesus told mary, I have not yet ascended to my god and ur god.

Empredboy:
listen to what you just said again, you said you didn't say the Bible is so equipped then what other books do we support the Bible with to make it equipped? You said God to them to "make images" of his no 1enemy "serpent" and you are angry that we make images of our saviour Jesus? That double standard bro. Plz don't shift the Bible to please yourselves but understand it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Bro, I think you are trying to twist my words so as to either find fault with me or to try and confuse others. If you are sincere, pls quote what I said! Not what you think I said. Never said it is " so equipped, neither did I say "not equipped".

Bro, god did not tell them to make images of his number one enemy! Haba!
I'm not angry that you make images, and I've never discussed "images of jesus" with you on these thread. Stop trying to force things on me Bro.

You say I shift the bible, how? Have I said something that we can't find out when we read the scriptures?
I asked you guys, does the use of the image of mary have scriptural backing?
Are there similarities in the use of images as recorded in the scriptures and that of the use of the images of mary?
This questions still await answers.

johnw74:
All scripture I quote is copied and pasted from the bible,
but your false accusation is in line with your lyiing tongue.
You cannot get out of your lies by telling more lies.

The translations of 1 Tim 3:16 and john 5:7 that you quoted have been found to be false, and that falsehood had been perpetuated by your trinity forefathers in their attempt to make the scriptures support their false doctrine. Thank god most mordern translations re correcting it. But you refuse to accept correction.

dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

And I answered him on why I had not responded to the verses you quoted on these thread.

and you dolphin replied about those scriptures i posted:

Wrong understanding, if you had asked for further explanation, I would have told you that my response was based on why I had not responded to the verses you quoted on these thread. The "why" in anas question.

Anas09 spoke off this thread, saying why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning of this thread, and you replied: "I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer"
when I said you didn't and you should post the quotes to prove it, you then came up with, you were talking about a post of 4 months ago

a lie is needed to cover up a lie, then another and another, that's how liars became entrenched in lies


like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally
and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again


Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Anas : why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beggining of these thread?

Dolphinheart to anas: I did not answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning these thread because I had asked him questions about those verses and he did not respond.
Any sincere human would have understood the logic in me and anas discussion.

Never said I asked you questions on this thread, and I was answering anas on why I had not asked you questions on these thread.
Note: anas did not ask about me asking you questions on the verses you quoted(I did not even try to check the verses again) , anas wanted to know why I had not responded, and I told him that I had not responded to your verses cus I had asked questions on the verses you quoted.
If you where this confused about our conversation, you should have asked for clarification! . That's what sincere people do!.

Empredboy:
since you said that the Bible is so equipped and God commanded the people to 'do' then we can say that God commanded the pastors too to wear suit or agbada

I never said that the bible is "so equipped and you did not state what god commanded to "do".

Man has been wearing things to cover his unclothedness since the time of adam and has devised different materials and method of putting them together through time.
The scriptures does not stipulate a particular design or material but it says we must be modest, modest even in the eyes of fellow humans. So if humans take suit and agbada as a modest way of dressing expecially for official purposes. I think its appropriate for those doing gods work officially to dress in such manner.
The scriptures is a guide for us when Making day to day, personal decisions.

Ubenedictus:
sorry, but please allow me to ask this question.

Is ur church held responsible for d sins of each individual member esp sins ur church had clearly condemned?

The church is not held responsible for the sins of individual members even if it does not condemn such sins. The church is judged based on what it does with or the actions it takes before or after the individual members sin .

Now the question is, did the church as a body order the killings of people?
Did they condemn the atrocities mentioned?
What did they do to the member(s) who committed the sin .?
What happens to the church if it allows sin to creep in

Rev 2:1-5
1 “To the angel of the
church in Ephesus write......... I know that you cannot tolerate
wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have
persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and
remove your lampstand
from its place.

1 cor 5:6, 11-13
Your boasting is not good.
Don’t you know that a little
yeast leavens the whole batch
of dough?

11 But now I am writing to you
that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a
drunkard or swindler. Do not
even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of
mine to judge those outside
the church? Are you not to
judge those inside? 13 God
will judge those outside.
“Expel the wicked person from among you.”

1 Tim 5:20
But those elders who are
sinning you are to reprove
before everyone, so that the
others may take warning.

Has your church fufilled all these admonitions to absolve itself of blame? Condemning a sinful act is not the only thing the church should do Bro.
I'm killing and killing and you as a church are condemning my actions while refusing to do something about my membership and association .

Ubenedictus:
i think you've gat your timeline wrong. The use of images in the Christian church predates the compilation of the bible.

Does it predate the scriptures that where compiled . At least the scriptures have been written down in different scrolls before compilation, does your use of images predate that?
If the answer is yes, pls show evidence.

Secondly u seem to think the bible is d sole authority for what is done in d church, that is wrong, the bible is not a catalog of every Christian practice, the use of images doesn't have to be recorded in d bible before we know it is an apostolic practice.

Now you are just talking. We cannot use the scriptures to defend the use of the images of mary, we have to look at another source.

The worship place of some early Christian communities are still there till today and in each and every one of them there are image! The bible was not written to record everytin.

The question is, when was the image erected.? Does it predate when the scriptures where written?
The scriptures does not contain everything, but it is completely equiped for every good work. Does the use of marys image have scriptural backing ?

Ubenedictus:
i hope u are aware d pic u posted is not a catholic priest. It is easy to know a catholic priest by the vestments they wear.

I'm aware Bro, my statements is not meant only for catholics and its priests.
What about those pics in the two websites posted, are those catholics or not.

Ubenedictus:
if i understand the above correctly, it means u've gat no argument, u are not saying no images but instead 'let us examine d passage', or are u simply trying to avoid taking a position so u can continue shifting d goal post?

Bro, we are discussing , we will use the scripture to help us take a position, if you feel that the use of images in the scripture goes along with use of the image of mary, qoute the scripture and let us examine it. I've not erected a goal post , talkless of shifting it.

PastorAIO:
There are some very interesting implication here. Sorry if this detracts a bit from the direction of the thread but ...

There is obviously a distinction between the letter of the law, following what God set down by law Vs a later inspiration from God.

God writes in the law not to make images, but inspires prophets to later make images.

Bro, god did not say "not to make images" , he said " do not make images for yourself
The gods word translation translated that part this way : Never make your own carved idols

This makes me think also of the law: Thou shalt not kill. This law is later contravened by instructions to kill Canaanites amalekites and other various random peoples.

that law was against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.
For a better understanding , research the hebrew word used in those verses to represent the "kill" as used by you.
Do you not know why some mordern translations now use "murder" instead of "kill"?

This brings up the issue of morality and whether morality is sourced from God or from our innate moral disposition. What if we have a certain moral disposition but we hear from God to act in a way which contradicts our moral beliefs. Which way will be the right way?

Jeremiah 10:23 says : O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
God did not create us to be
independent from him, to choose right and wrong for ourselves.
What may seem good to us may, in fact, be very harmful.
For prov 14:12 says : There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Therefore man cannot determine morality.
So who determines morality? Jehovah , our creature does.
Has his moral values and sense of justice changed or has been adjusted ? The answer is no! Jehovah does not change, he has and will deal with every soul the same way. He judges each individual not on what we see the person doing, but on much more than that.

Empredboy:
that means that God told pastors to wear suit or agbada. Abi?

I do not understand your question Bro.

@ Johnw74

You are trapped in your lies dolphin, Anas talked about
verses i posted in this thread:

I did not lie, I did ask you questions based on the verses you quoted. And I showed proof. If things dnt go the way you view them does not mean the other person is lying. I never said I questioned you on these thread cus I never . I said I had asked you questions on the scripture you quoted, and showed you that I had indeed asked you questions on the verses you quoted.
That trap that you are thinking of is the one that's holding you from seing that you have been quoting some false scripture all along.

Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have
touched it, why?
The bold I'm my main concern that's why I responded with

[quote]I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer.

I've shown you proof that I indeed have asked you questions on the scriptures you quoted. Anas has already made it plain that I did not respond to the verses on these thread and the reason are that I've tried to treat the verses before, but you where unable to give suitable response. I had ask you questions on the verses you quoted.
And I added this

Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are
interested.

This adds to the fact that the location of the questions is not the primary thing under disscusion, but why I had not responded to those verses.
With this, anyone without prejudice can understand me easily, and if not fully, would have asked me to give further clarification . But you on the other hand is so quick to find fault as if that will absolve you of ur false doctrine and use of wrong scriptural verses, scriptural verses you have refused to talk about up till now!

Anas09 spoke off this thread, saying why didn't anyone answer johnw74 on the scriptures he quoted from the beginning of this thread, and you replied: "I did ask him some questions on the
scriptures he quoted, but he
refuses to answer"
when I said you didn't and you
should post the quotes to prove it, you then came up with, you were talking about a post of 4 months ago
a lie is needed to cover up a lie,
then another and another, that's how liars became entrenched in lies like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You urself has explained how I did not lie.
Summary :Someone asked why I did not talk about some verses on this thread, I told I did not talk about some verses on this thread cus previously I had asked questions on these verses and I did not get a suitable response, the response does not go along with the question asked and therefore there is no need to talk about the verses again. Note again, I never said the questions I asked where on these thread. I never mentioned "thread" , but I did show you that I had asked you questions about the verses you quoted . Wrong quotes that you still refuse to explain or correct.

Empredboy:
it's seems God has not been talking since after the Bible was compiled. Since we should look up to the Bible

That, I cannot say. But what do I know, I know that the scriptures is completely equipt for every good work. It is suitable for setting things straight!

Empredboy:
you are very funny. OK since you use the phrase (God said) in all the verses to say all those images were under God's command. What is the assurance that God told the Catholic Church to do it. (this is a case of unwritten law) just as 'our' people wakes up one day and say God has called them to be a pastor or GO. What about some GOs who build their church camps and say that is where God ask them to build their church. Can they too prove it that it was truly God's command, just as you too want Catholic to prove why they have those images since God didn't officially say it in your own way??

I did not say " god say" , the scriptures made us to understand that god gave the instructions.

God is not a god of disorderliness, neither does he do things anyhow.
There was an order in the instruction.
1. The person or persons to do it where mentioned, not just anyone.
2. The instructions, though giving by divine means where recorded down, so that future generations will know the source of the instructions.
3. Jehovah guided the use of such images so that it will not lure them to do something contrary to what he had in mind. For example, the images in the temple is only seen by one person once in a year. The image of the serpent was later destroyed when it was seen that it was used contrary to instruction.
When the isrealites lost the temple, god made sure that non of these images where later used. 4. God physically showed to the isrealite beyond natural dought that he approved of such images, he showed it physically for the ark, the serpent and temple during its dedication.

This the GO's don't have, I personally don't believe anyone professing personal inspiration from God without a physical manifestation of such inspiration.
Look at the building of the ark by Noah.
Look at the building of the temple.
Look at the pillar built by a prophet during the baal worship.
Look at bethel by isreal.

God said christians should gather together, he did not set a precise location.

I've not been discussing my own way. I've been discussing bible way. And if ur assumption where to be taken, you have to first accept that the use of such images for mary does not follow bible way.

Empredboy:
read (1
Chr. 28:18–19). (Ex. 25:18–20). (Num.
21:8–9).does that mean that God is confused since he said don't make yet he asked them again to make.

1 chr 28:18-19
18. for the altar of incense refined gold by weight; and gold for the pattern of the chariot of the cherubims,
that spread out their wings, and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD.
19 All this, said David, the
LORD made me understand in
writing by his hand upon me,
even all the works of this
pattern.

ex 25 :18-20
18 Make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat.
19 Make one cherub at one
end and one cherub at the
other end. At its two ends,
make the cherubim of one
piece with the mercy seat.
20 The cherubim are to have
wings spread out above,
covering p the mercy seat with
their wings, and are to face
one another. The faces of the
cherubim should be toward
the mercy seat.

num 21: 8-9
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass,
that every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it, shall
live. 9 And Moses made a
serpent of brass, and put it
upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass,
he lived.

First , the instruction was not " don't make", it was " do not make for yourself " or " you shall not make for yourself" or as gods word translation puts it : Never make your own carved idols or statues that represent any creature in the sky, on the earth, or in the water. -ex 20:4

Not making for myself means I should not make by myself and for myself or my own image with the hope of using it in the worship of god. I should not decide to make such images.
That god gave the isrealites a definite direction to make some images and no harm comes to them, after the people/person instructed to make them did so, and that isrealites making images without divine direction and got purnished should further tell you what god meant by " do not make for urselves".

U read about these images, that even read that when there was an attempt to use some of these images for veneration or worship, god did not allow it.

So the question is , does the use of mary's image follow or have similarity with any of these images mentioned in the scripture?

Ubenedictus:
before i do so, kindly tell me ur point cos u seem to be shifting d goal post every now and then.

Are u saying it is sinful to make any image for religious use, or that it it sinful to make such images without express divine command.

If i dont know ur position then i'll nt know how to respond.

You claim the use of the image of mary has scritural support, I just want you to show me which image was used in the scriptures, and we will compare its use with that of the use of the image of mary.
If truly there were images that was made by man in the scriptures,and its use is similar to that of the use of mary's image, pls let us see it.

Ubenedictus:
stop lying dear. Nobody killed galileo and the church didnt support hitler in his war.

Yep, you are right, nobody killed galileo, he died under house arrest by the church.

Yep, the church did not support hitler, the members did! .

Kamxin:
These people that orchestrated the war, did they publicly declared themselves Catholic, even Hitler, did you see him in Catholic church?.

Pictures dnt lie Bro, at least not during those days. Wish I could post the pictures here .

alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/photogallery.html

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Remember, these Germans are the ones that fought the Catholic church through Martin Luther, and have more protestants than Catholic. So the question goes back to you. Did the protestant denominations condemned hitler and his associates or is world wars not part of protestant reformation?

Irrelevant question, finding the Protestant guilty does not make the catholic innocent!. Both where guilty of participating in the war, whichever side they are on.

Both members were known to participate and kill each other in wars after the second word war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

Secondly, during during Spanish inquisition, protestant reformation the state is more powerful than the church, so the church cannot stop them, even modern slave trade, when the Catholic church was the most powerful, it brought salve trade to an end, only for it to restart with protestant reformation.

So the Jews were safe, when the Catholic church is powerful than when protestants were powerful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

Go and read it , or do you want me to quote some parts out?

Kamxin:
You have your work cut out by PastorAIO, I wonder why it is hard for you to throw Google questions to Google.

Good for you to know that he is responding to questions you are afraid to answer. Do you agree to everything he has said ?

1. Any book that someone sits down to write, he is inspired by someone or something to write it.

So which books where inspired by god that was not compiled by the catholic church, and why was it not compiled.

2. They were not added because the holy spirit led the Catholic church not to do so(John 16:13). Is your church led by the holy spirit? If you say yes why?.

And others added and ommited some in their compilation cus the holy spirit led them to do so!
Can you see how ur claim can be claimed by others too!?
Yes, they excibit its fruitage.

But why are you asking , do you accept what the Catholic church have given you hook, line and sinker or do you reject it(bible)?

What has the catholic church giving me?

PastorAIO:
A couple of things. My purpose was to put an end to the back and forth bickering between you and kamxin. That purpose has been served.

Bro, I appreciate ur effort , but I believe you should have left us to finish our discussion, the discussion is more than the compilation
Of the scriptures, it is more about how the compilation of the scriptures made the church believe they can also make an image of mary for any religious purpose without reference to the scriptures they said they compiled.

Secondly, the very form of your questions suggests that you are not aware of my position on issues like this.

My questions where more directed to him than to you, but since you answered the questions that he is afraid to answer, I decided to ask you the next questions. Personally I do feel he is not in support of ur response, but he wunt tell you that.

1. I have no idea what you mean by this special inspiration that the bible is supposed to have. I believe that the entirety of history and all that it contains would proceed according to the will of an omnipotent being. That includes the words on the newspapers I read in the morning. I can be spoken to from any angle. I can see a flower and receive a 'rhema' from it. Our inability to see the work of God in everything around us is due to our spiritual blindness and not because God concentrated all he has to say into a book.

So my answer to your first question would be Yes. Yes, as with all else they are inspired.

There are some words you used here that I might need clarification on, but it might derail the thread.
He knows about the "special inspiration " I'm talking about. For now, I would not comment on your view of inspiration unless he supports it .

2. You would have to ask the catholics that. Everyone has their agenda in picking texts. The Ethiopian Orthodox church use Jubilees, for instance, but the Catholics don't. Martin Luther King removed the book of James from the bible because it didn't fit into his agenda. To understand why books are added or removed from the bible you have to understand the doctrines of the Church that is using said bible.

That is why I asked him, as I have the view that he is catholic, what criteria did they use in compiling the bible if he views that there are other books that are inspired!
Can you see the dilemma?, if he claims that his church is perfect because they selected some books out of a whole lot of books,and compiled it without giving reasons and criteria for the selection, what stops another church from claiming perfection by doing there own different selection!

PastorAIO:
Brothers, I hope I can put your jousting with Kamxin to rest with this little list:



1-The book of Jubilees
2-Epistle of Barnabas
3-Shepherd of Hermas
4-Paul's Epistle to the Laodiceans
5- 1 Clement
6- 2 Clement
7 Preaching of Peter
8 Apocalypse of Peter
9 Gospel According to the Egyptians
10 Gospel According to the Hebrews

There are churches that still include the book of Jubilees in their bible. Mainly The Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

My question to you is
1. Are these books inspired.?
2. Why where they not added to the one the catholic said they compiled?

Sorry no vex, just wanted to tell you that ur use of family shows trinity to be false!

johnw74:
dolphin, Anas talked about verses i posted in this thread:

And I'm talking about verses you quoted on other threads in which I had asked you questions about.

and you dolphin replied:

My reply says I've asked you questions on the verses you quoted, I never said it was on these thread, the location of the thread does not change the fact that you quoted verses and I asked you questions on it.

and now you bring up a post of 4 months ago, and say that's what you were talking about

those months have gone by and you have still not answered the questions.

like i have said to you many times, when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally
and you glory in lying, doing it time and time again

Everyone already knows ur usual runaway lines. I've brought the questions to this thread, you are yet to answer it .

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The devil too can quote scripture and make himself look good. But by their fruits you shall know them. Tell us ur church and we will see if you have good fruitage.

Emusan:
Very simple! The Three make up the ONLY ONE just as a husband, wife and child(children) make up ONLY ONE Family yet they are all distinct persons.

Is it cleared?

The husband is not family, he is a member of the family .
The wife is not family, she is a member of that family.
The child is not family, he/she is a member of that family.
Each has a role and position that is different from the other.
They are not equal.
They are all humans, but have different authority in the family.
The family is not neccesarily made up by 3 individuals, it starts from 2 to as many as possible individuals.
the use of family does not support trinity!.

Kamxin:
Did you search Google as I instructed you? If you did you should be the one listing the books here.

You dnt have the authority to instruct me Bro.
If you believe some where picked, list one or two that where not picked. Prove ur statement to be right. U dnt tell ur accuser to go and look for evidence to acquit you for you.

Can you get get a book written 300 years ago and prove whom the author is talk more of if the holy spirit inspired it or not. Can you prove if the words of Nigerian politicians were edited or not before being published in the national dailies.

Are you saying the church did not know that the book they compiled are inspired? Or that some of the authors of the book where not inspired cus we dnt know who wrote some of the book.?

Kamxin:
Perfect to produce the bible means perfect in doctrine and not perfect in sports and politics, Perfect in religion and perfect in NairaBET are not something

The bible was compiled by the power of god. He used imperfect people to write, keep it safe and compile it, it does not mean those who did these are perfect as individual or as a body. The authors are not perfect yet the supposed compiler are claiming perfection.
Ur doctrine did not teach you how to handle politics abi?neither did the book you perfectly compiled.
You claim to compile a book, yet you did not read it to follow what it says.

Do you say that the Catholic church supported hitler to kill Catholics, that statement is a paradox. Please quote any pope writing that support your accusations.

Is the pope the church, the church consist of members, did the pope condemn and expelled all members that killed and participated in the war? Both for hitler and otherwise ?

Mind you the Jews were safer when the Catholic church is more powerful especially before protestants came to existence.

Yea yea. We read about the Spanish inquisition.

Kamxin:
There are many written by Paul, Peter, multiple apostles etc Google can help you see few of them as most is destroyed already during Roman Empire prosecution.

I dnt want many, just mention a few . Some of the dropped scrolls you know.

Not all books are divinely inspired, e.g writing down all the route that will take Paul from Athens to Rome, or how best to preserve written script. That why some are picked through the guidance of the holy spirit which Jesus promised He would send to His church and which would be with the church till He return.

if a book is not inspired, it wunt be in the scriptures, does not matter what the church says or do.
So even if the catholic church said they compiled the scriptures, any lay man could have achieved that cus all the scriptures are inspired. If it is not inspired , it wunt be there or picked.
So therefore, what did the catholic church do that is awe inspiring to call them perfect. Did they drop an uninspired book? Or did they not compile all inspired book. ?

stixz:
Can u send me the download link for beast of no natuon??

Downloaded from movievilla.in

Emusan:
@dolphinheart

I've read it now?

If that question is for me, the answer is no.

Like I said the booklet has a lot to do with the issue at hand, that's why I want you to read it because by the time I start making reference to it, it won't be strange to you.

If you feel the booklet helps you, use it. As long as it helps you to explain ur view of trinity or it counters my own post on my view of trinity.

My view on Trinity is the general view held by all true Christian in the world.[quote]My view on trinity is based on the one held by the scriptures.
The term "all true christians" has different meaning to different people.

[quote]There's ONLY ONE TRUE GOD which scripture reveals in the person of The Father, The Son and The Holy spirit.

There is only one true god, which jesus reveals to be person of the father!

So I'll reply your post when you're ready.

I just need Yes or No!

Less I forget, mention the scripture you're going to use for me I will use any of this KJV, NIV, NASB, YLT, NLT, CJB, ESV, NKJV, ERV, EXB, GW, ISV, PHILIP, TLB, NIRV, NLV, OJB

I will not mention any scripture, ones I use them and you feel the verse I quoted is a wrong translation, feel free to raise ur objections .

Kamxin:
The answer is simple.
Since the Catholic church is perfect to compile a perfect bible, they are also perfect to compile the uses of Mary's image.
I drop my pen.

Yep, they where also perfect to support hitler during the war, perfect to do what they did in south America, perfect to support the crusade, perfect to kill galelio(?) .
How was mary compiled ?

Kamxin:
The books of John, Peter and even all the epistles of Paul are all scroll, It is the Catholic church that picked some of them and called it bible.

They were called scroll because modern paper materials have not been put to use then.

So which scroll did they not pick and why? As you said they "picked some".

Ubenedictus:
the use of images is found from the correct interpretation of scriptures.

Now use those scriptures, mention those images and let's see if there is similarities between its use and that of the use of marys image.

@ Ubenedictus(m)

yeah, during the making of the temple the bible records that several images were added which were never commanded by God, they include bulls, flowers and several winged creatures which God never commanded yet after the building of the temple God rested therehe didn't reject it, he didn't scream idolatry as you guys scream today. if God as was against those images that he didn't command, why then
did he not reject the temple that contained them?

BROS, us the scriptures, use it to list these images, let's look at them, and let's see if its similar to the use of the image of mary. My request is simple enough. Show us the images with the use of the scriptures!

you are grasping at straws, the people made those images for them selves under God's instruction and when they built the temple they made several more without Gods instruction

Use the scriptures to show us which image you are talking about and we will look at the similarity between them and marys image

haahahahah, so what about the images made in the temple
without the express permission of God?[/quote]I was talking about the images earlier mentioned in which they were said to bow down to.
If you have new images you want to talk about pls show us using the scriptures.

simple after God gave
commands that images should
be made even the isrealites
understood that God was not
against all images but only
against idols so when the
temple was built they put there
several images.
let me ask you, do you know
what happened after the ark
was lost? there was no ark in
thetemple when Jesus was
alive, Do you know that yet
people including Jesus went
there to pray, do you know what
was there? a drawing made on
a cloth.... that was it, there was
no ark yet Jesus went to a
temple and called it a house of
God a house of prayer when all
that was there was a mere
image on a cloth. even Jesus
must be laughing at you, the
jews will be laughing at you
because it seems those ancient
rabbis understood the bible
better than you do, it seems
Jesus understood it much
better.
how is ur day going?

Bro, I dnt know what happened to the ark, do you?

How do you know that there was no ark in the temple when jesus was alive?
And how do you know what was in the most holy when the ark was not there?
It was called house of god cus god approved, annointed that house,not because the ark was in it!.
My day went well, thank you.