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KingEbukasBlog:
I've told you why I dont want to use "persons" to refer to or describe the trinity . If you keep insisting , its your business

Bro, I did not ask about trinity, I asked about jesus and the father.
Is jesus a person?
Is the father a person ?
If they are persons , then u re obligated to use "person" when talking about them.
And if they are not, let us know!

I used it to explain how one can exist as three and play different roles and not that I used it to explain having the equality and same power/authority by the three

You are factionalizing ur explanation of trinity. Part of ur explanation proves equality to be wrong and I'm using your own explanation to prove to you that jesus does not share equality with the father, you own explanation o!.

KingEbukasBlog:
@dolphinheart --- this guy why do you keep asking me the same thing all over again . Honestly I cannot repeat myself again . You can simply walk into a church and keep asking the Pastor the same question in different ways .

Cheers

Cus you did not answer and some answers are full of holes.
Quote the question I asked you so that everyone can see that you refuse to answer or provide answers that the question did not ask you.

I quoted ur answers alonside the questions I asked, so that you, me, and everyone on these thread can see that ur answers are either false, wrong, does not have scriptural support, goes contrary to what the scripture says or are just plain lies.

malvisguy212:
John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

People find it had to believe that God himself come down to have a special relationship with his creatures, they find this had to believe. From the beginning, God walk with adam and eve, God had a special relationship with them, after the fall of man, this relationship size. But to reconcile us back to Himself, He came down has a incarnate just to relate with us.

Is jesus the same person as the father?
If not, the use of that verse to claim that god came to earth is wrong and full of holes.
You say god came down as an incanate, yet claim that that incanate has always been in existence. Did that incanate exist as the father before or as a seperate entity with its own will and mind?

KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus and Yahweh are separate beings but are one . The questions are not intelligent ,no not one bit . He keeps asking the same questions all over again . I told Dolphinheart that the trinity are separate entities/beings and he now asked if they(Jesus and Yahweh) are two different persons in heaven

You all are filled with misconceptions and even though the trinity concept has been elucidated , you guys are still obdurate about your opinion . I've used the government to explain , I used a scenario to explain, I quoted scriptures , yet nothing .

Its so exasperating discussing issues like this with atheists and non - Christians .

I keep on asking cus I did not ask uou about entitities/beings, I asked you about persons! If you don't believe that jesus and the father are persons, let us know.

The federal, state and local government explanation you use totally destroys ur view on equality and power. Dnt use that explanation again! .

FrancisTony:
Best I could do is providing bible verses that inferred the two nature He exhibited on earth and I have done that.
No need running in circles.

The verse you quoted does not say anything about nature, talkless of dual nature while jesus was on earth. Moreover , that verse was talking about 2 persons.

What's the essence of Holy spirit giving Matthew, Mark, Luke and John an inspiration to pen it down if He never intended to anyone from learning it?
Isn't (it) the same reason He was baptised?

Holy spirit gave them the inspiration to write it down, not to teach them how to pray, but for us to learn that jesus is fully obedient to his god, which is his father in heaven , even till death, and not the one you claim is in him.

God nature never fled.
It manifests differently.

But he was not not there to answer the question na.

Okay, I used that scenario though it doesn't fit in. Have you heard of hypnosis?
Mysteries concerning God is
related to such.
When someone is hypnotised,
(s)he loses memory and starts
behaving anyhow.
His God & human nature can't
co-exist since God isn't human
and can't perform all those
earthly rituals He did e.g eating,
sleeping et al.

So when his god nature wants to perform, it hypnotises his human nature!
BROS , mo ju idi fun yin!

malvisguy212:
yes, that's the point.He is fully human and fully God. The Godly nature did not override His human nature. There are things the human nature did not know ONLY his divine nature know, go back and read the gospel once again, whenever Jesus is being adress as human his response will be humanly and whenever he was being approach as God , his response will be in Godly, Jesus never deny being God or human

You fail to explain the place where it is said "he emptied himself" and "he became flesh.
Ur explanation means that god duped Satan, that Satan is right afterall that man cannot stay perfect, cus this jesus has a dual nature, and his god nature helped him in certain areas.
It is you that need to read the scriptures again. When the disciples approached him they asked him a godly question, cus he and the disciples know that his human nature cannot answer that question. Do you remember jesus answer to them? Maybe his godly nature has played away that time and his human nature now lied that even his godly nature does not know the answer. Thought you said his godly nature is all knowing .
By the way, what happened to his godly nature when he died?

KingEbukasBlog:
Entity/being and entity/being

God is not human so shouldn't be described as a person

Therefore ur belief is that god is one entity, existing as/in 3 entities.?
If I'm right, jesus is not god , but god is jesus as jesus cannot be god without the other two entities. , jesus is an entity of god, or part of the entity of god .
That jesus entity is distinct and unique and its characters cannot be perfomed or replaced by the other sub-entities.

@ kingEbukasBlog
After going through ur answer, I now understood why you did not quote the questions I asked you, I will quote it again for you and see if ur response answered the question asked.

1. The Father and Jesus are living as different entities/beings in Heaven

I asked you 1)does the father and Jesus exist as 2 different persons in heaven or as one person? .
Can you see that you have refused to answer the question?

A person is a being, such as a human, that has certain
capacities or attributes
constituting personhood .
(excerps from wikipedia)
So are your 3 beings not persons.?

Person:
1. A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson;
salesperson. See Usage Note
at chairman.
2. An individual of specified
character: a person of
importance.
3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
4. The living body of a human:
searched the prisoner's person.
5. Physique and general
appearance.
6. Law A human, corporation,
organization, partnership,
association, or other entity
deemed or construed to be
governed by a particular law.
7. Christianity Any of the three separate individualities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as distinguished from the essence of the Godhead that unites them.

Does the father and jesus not fufill the definition?
Is jesus a person or not?
Is the father a person or not?
If you feel the father and jesus are not persons, please tell us in plain English with a "yes" . And if you feel they are persons, then pls answer the question as it was asked.
You have not answered question 1.

2. God's nature -purity , love, holiness, righteousness ,
dexterity for creation , wisdom , can pass judgement ,
omnipotence ,omnipresence
etc .
2 Peter 1:4
4 Whereby are given unto us
exceeding great and precious
promises: that by these ye
might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

I asked you : (2)what is "god nature" and how do we understand ur views with
what is said in 2 peter1:4 and
the statement that "god is a
spirit".?

You refused to provide scriptures that supports ur view on god- nature. By ur definition of god nature, we can assume that any being that has these things is god right? So pls show us with the scriptures where these 3 beings possess these nature you posted.

Now if your view of god nature is true, then according to 1 peter 1:4 those who partake in the divine nature will also become god, able to create and be omnipresence right? If I'm wrong , then use ur explanation of god nature to explain 1 peter 1:4. If you do not do so, then ur whole explanation is false.(I did not ask you to quote but to explain that scripture in line with god nature.)
You refuse to add "god is a spirit".

3. Yes

If you cannot show me where the holy spirit said "I am", it means you are lying with ur scenario. You are using false words to explain ur view.
So claiming the the 3 said "I am to signify their godship is false!.

I asked the question 3) Does the use of the statement "I am" signify that that person is god?
You said yes.
2 samuel 2:20 :-Then Abner looked behind him, and said, Art thou Asahel? And he
answered, I am..

By ur answer, the person pursuing Abner is also your god,probably the 4th one right?
John 9:9 :-Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.
Is this person also god ?

If the two above are not god , then ur answer is false!.it is just an attempt to find a similarity between god and jesus' statements.
Before you reply on these, please to a research on the Greek and hebrew word that was translated as "i am" in those verses .

4. Any form . Even the Holy Spirit rested as a dove on
Jesus Luke 3:22
22 And the Holy Ghost
descended in a bodily shape
like a dove upon him, and a
voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

A. What is the form(s) that
these 3 entities exist in, and
Use scripture to show their
forms pls.

Any form? , the bible says, "jesus, although he was in gods form". Is that gods form any form? If its not any form, then what form is that,?
Can you list at least two forms of those gods form? After listing them, we shall see if any other being can assume such forms, if we find out that other beings can take up such forms, then by ur explanations, it means they are god.
Pls list two forms from any forms you know for the father, son and holy spirit, then we can know if the "form of god" is just the preserve of those 3 beings alone.
You did not use scripture to show the form(s) of the father and jesus.
Lastly , what is the present form of the 3 beings.

5. John 17:21
21 That they all may be one; as
thou, Father, art in me, and I in
thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
When you are in Christ , you
are a new creation , old things
are past away new things are to come

Can you see the bold, it did not say "you in christ" or "we in Christ" . It said "one in us".
If jesus and the father being "one" means they are both god and equal, that they shared the god nature, then being one in them means we(the christians that will fufill that prayer) will also have all the qualities that that one has, the god nature that they shared, the ability to be omnipresence and create, and be god. If these is wrong, then jesus being one with god to mean jesus is equal to god and is god is a totally false and biased analogy,that being one is totally different from being equal. cus those christians are expected to be one in them.
Can you see how ur explanation falls short of truth.

2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore, if anyone is in
Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away;
behold, all things have become
new.
You now become Christ-like -
living a holy life ,pure in
thoughts , righteous , joyful ,
filled with divine wisdom and
power , perform miracles -
having or imbibing this "God-
nature "

But they are not god, so being "one with god" does not mean that that person is god!.

Another verse to buttress the point I made
Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which is in
heaven is perfect.
Perfection is a nature of God
and if you are now in Christ you have to attain perfection since you are now of a new nature , the God-nature.

Are you in Christ, have you attained perfection ?
Matthew that wrote that verse, was he perfect he before he died? If being in Christ does not bring perfection while on earth, then you have a wrong understanding of Matt 5:48.
Moreover the verse did not say "one in us " or "one in god".

Have you see that sharing does not mean equality.

This question requires answers too :Does each of the trinity in man exist independently? If so, do they
have different minds and will?

JustTara:
I'm talking about the scrolls where the books of the Bible were chosen from.

Which scrolls sis, can you mention them ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Honestly I have to stop reiterating the explanation of an entity/being and a person . God is one existing as three . Its not my fault if you don't understand

You never explained about "person "
God is 1 existing as 3, 1 what?, person, entity , being?
Existing as 3 what?, persons, beings , entities?.

KingEbukasBlog:
@dolphinheart

You really need to go back to sec sch ... honestly

Seems I'm the one that needs to dust my books, misplacing tiers and system.

With that said, can you now answer my questions ? . They are there in the post , numbered.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is God,

Jesus is a god, and he is not the almighty god , cus he said that he has a god. That the father is greater than he is .

And He has always been God. There was NEVER a time that the bible indicate Jesus BECAME God ,for God is eternal He had always been in existence from the beginning,BUT the bible say He became MAN. So what does it mean that Jesus became man ?

This same god received inheritance, he was anointed, he received power and authority, he has companions, he has brothers, has a god, subject to that god .

The bible did not only say he became flesh, it adds that he emptied himself!
He was concieved bro.

It doesent mean Jesus STOP being
God, NO!! Rather Jesus add human nature to His divinity,Jesus did not give up any of his divinity in the incarnation,

maybe you did not read the part that he emptied himself , the scripture never said he "added"

“Remaining what he was, he became what he was not.” Christ “was NOT now God minus some elements of his deity, but God PLUS all that he had made his own by taking manhood to Himself ”Thus , Jesus did not give up any of his divine attributes at the incarnation. He remained in full possession of all of them. For if he were to ever give up any of his divine attributes, he would cease being God.

But he did not know end of the system of things when his disciples asked him. and he was fully god.

Jesus has TWO nature ,fully God and fully Man. The fact that Jesus is truly and fully human is clear from the fact that he has a human body (Luke 24:39), a human mind (Luke 2:52), and a human soul (Matthew 26:38).

Now show me how he was fully god.

Jesus does not just look like a man.He does not just have some aspects of what is essential for true humanity but not others.Rather, he possess full humanity. And the book of colossian indicate Jesus is fully God.

“For in him all the FULLNESS OF DEITY dwells in BODILY FORM” (Colossians 2:9).

that was after he has ascended to heaven, after he received all authority and power, after he was ressurected as a spirit . Despite that , he is still subject to the almighty god, his god, the only true god.

Emusan:
Wonderful, so you think I'm accusing you!
But the point I'm raising here is cleared, it means you only type and type without key in into what you said.

You said " it means you are not a man of your words". I dnt know what else to call that if its not an accusation.

Anyway I don't have time to search for that but if you're truly key in to whatever you type, you suppose to remember immediately I said it.

I'm imperfect Bro, I dnt remember!

Both! Simply because it's the same organization's doctrine you're following and even using their Bible version.

On these thread we are discussing the trinity. Ill discuss it with you using the scriptures as a guide. If you have issues with what the an organization says, take it up with them, they are not hiding.

So how English Bible versions do you accept their TOTAL TRANSLATION apart from NWT? And you're claiming to be using scripture as main guide.

It does not concern you which translation I use when we discuss trinity , what should concern you is if the scripture I quoted is right or wrong and if the translation fits the original language as best as possible.
And pls wait till I use a translation before you start bringing up issues with the translation I use. If I quote a translation and you feel that the text I quoted is wrong, you are free to tell me its wrong.

This is where the problem lies, how can you prove Trinity from NWT when it has corrupted the true meaning of it? According to the Greek scripture The Father is God, The Son is God and The Holyspirit is God that is the testimony of Greek scripture.

Tell me ur view about trinity and ill tell you mine, and we will use the scripture as guide . If we have misunderstandings on scripture translations, we can both give our reasons why the translationyou or i quoted best translates the original words and why it is currupted or not currupted.

According to the scriptures the son has a God!.

Like I always say I don't have problem with any organization but with the kingdom of darkness that hold the truth in lies.
You own is to prove me wrong here that you're not following the doctrine and using their Bible.

On this thread, my own is to discuss trinity .

I've given you the link so you can do that mind you, there's no comment by anybody against the booklet on that same page just the scan of the booklet.



They haven't but an author who can lie in his/her writing and withhold vital information from his/her reader, shouldn't be taken serious and shows the source of his/her inspiration because God can't lie or inspire lie.

Get in touch with the author and air ur complaints.

This is why you need to read the booklet and see for yourself how they lied about early Christian teachers and misinformed the readers on Trinity believe.

My view on trinity is based on the scriptures. Let's use it in our discussion .

It was as a result of people commentary on the booklet that made them to stop the publication and the removal from their online library.

If the booklet actually speaks the mind of God, why the removal and end of publication?

I brought the issue here because this thread is about Trinity.

I know you'll reply this post but I won't reply you until you tell me you've read it, so that we can start properly.

Good, now that you know why they stopped publishing the book , can we move on an discuss the doctrine of trinity?
Of course ill reply you, that knowledge is not hard to decipher .
We are not here to discuss the book, we are here to discuss trinity!.

Richirich713:
Have u read john 1:1 nd have u read the book of Revelation nd have u read paul epistles or in other words have u read the entire bible specifically the NT before u came to the conclusion that the bible doesn't teach that the Word is God.

"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good"(1 Thessalonians 5:21)

I've read them, it does not falsify , prove wrong or change what I read as posted by me.

JustTara:
Someone argued it's against the Bible, my point is the books in the Bible aren't the only religious books out there.

You re right, we also have the koran

FrancisTony:
Titus 2:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

I asked you to show scripture where it says jesus had two natures while he was on earth and you are quoting titus 2:13.Haba!

Just the way he taught the apostles how to pray.

Where his disciples there when he was praying to the father to let the cup pass away from him?

He was in His human nature during those time.

His god nature has fled. And when he was listing those who know the answer, his human nature forgot to add his god nature abi?

Holy Spirit descended on His human nature.
Both nature manifests differently.

where was his god nature when Holy spirit entered his human nature if not in his human nature?

The two nature doesn't appear the same time.
It's more like someone manifesting in both good and evil.
His good nature deserts him when Evil descends on him & vice versa.

If someone is good, he will know when doing evil. The goodness in him does not go anywhere.

KingEbukasBlog:
1 as 3 then . I hope this settles it ?

1 person as 3 persons ? 1 entity divide to 3 entities?

@ KingEbukasBlog

They exist as different entities or beings

(1)Simple question Bro, does the father and Jesus exist as 2 different persons in heaven or as one person? .

If you do not want to answer, let us know. I did not ask about entity .

Independent entity means they have their own mind too .

You dnt want to answer my questions abi?
(2)what is "god nature" and how do we understand ur views with what is said in 2 peter1:4 and the statement that "god is a spirit".?
Pls answer.

I explained what I meant by a scenario . You are really alien to the way I address issues ,maybe that's why you don't understand

Again, I tell you until you show me where it is said that the spirit said "I am", the scenario that you created is based on false words. One should not try to give a scenario using false assumptions.

To the question you refused to answer
(3) Does the use of the statement "I am" signify that that person is god?
Dnt evade my questions.

Ok

They are beings

Haba!, Are we not beings?, are the angels not beings? Are animals not beings., is being a being a form?
A. What is the form(s) that these 3 entities exist in, and Use scripture to show their forms pls.

1. John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

Good that you quoted that scripture. You attempted to show that jesus and the father shared one nature with that verse . Now let's read another verse.
John 17:21 :- I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will
believe you sent me.

At the fufillment of that prayer, will they (those that jesus was praying for) also share the one nature? if no, then your use of john 17:21 to show that the 3 share one nature( even though the holy spirit is not made mention their) is false.

Yes . They are equal .
Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make
man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have
dominion over the fish of the
sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
"Us" clearly showed that all
three have the same ability to
create or creation and are one

You are wrong, sharing does not equate equality.
Romans 8:17, 29-30 :-And since we are his children, we are his heirs. In fact, together with Christ we are heirs of God’s glory. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering.
29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so
that his Son would be the
firstborn n among many brothers and sisters.
30 And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he
gave them [b]his glory[b].
Does that sharing indicate equality with jesus? Absolutely no!

Gen 1:26 does not say anything about sharing or equality, neither does it tell that the "us" that god was talking to are 3 in number or that they have the power to create. "Let 'us' do something" does not indicate that each of the person in 'us' has the power to do that thing.

Have you read where the holy or jesus gave command that something should be created?

God is a being .

Then angels are what? Humans are what?

Pls what are the three forms and where can we find these forms in the scriptures.

The "man trinity" at some point will exist independently . Like when you die , who will face God's judgement - your body or
spirit or soul ?

Simple question I ask : Does each of the trinity in man exist independently? If so, do they have different minds and will?

You tried to answer half without use of the scriptures and evaded the other half.

They are one God . One
existing as three . Please try to
understand what it means that
one exists as three entities . Oh wait like the government of
Nigeria . We have the local ,
state and federal . They are one government but are three tiers .
They tiers of government play
different roles that does not
mean the local government is
its own government or the state or the federal .They are all one working as three tiers .

Bro, go read ur government text books again . Local , state, and federal dnt form the 3 tiers of government.
Note: you've changed ur stance, its now one (entity) existing as 3 entitities.

Example : You have a bad road in you area and you say "Oh please let the government do something about it " . Your local government is the most likely
act because it concerns a
remote or small area or
because it will take little
financing .
Genesis 1:2
2 And the earth was without
form, and void; and darkness
was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.
The verse below shows that
they are different entities who
play different roles but are One
. Just like our Government .-
local , state and federal - not
three governments
John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is
come, whom I will send unto
you from the Father, even the
Spirit of truth, which proceedeth
from the Father, he shall testify
of me:
The passage below completely
denies that claim
1. John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
Arianism tries to depict Jesus
as inferior , I also pointed this
out to pr0ton
They are three of the same
authority and power . Even
Christians make mistakes .
When we say "God" everyone
assumes its The Father we are
referring to and His Son, Jesus
Christ , is lower in authority
because He is A Son.

When you have corrected the government issue above, I will now show you how ur derived analogy is false .

johnw74:
u said you questioned me on this thread matter and i didn't respond
i said you lied and that you did not question me and that you should post the quotes to show you didn't lie
you didn't post the quotes because there are none, you lied yet again, and are still lying it's easy to post the quotes if there were any, but to you, lying is speaking naturally.

These post was made by me on Aug 27 , 10:42 PM on these thread(page 3) .

https://www.nairaland.com/2549459/god-god/3

The major issue when
discussing with individuals who believe that Jesus is God is the problem of understanding their own form/side/angle to the belief . Some belief that Jesus and the father are both one and same person . Some believe they are two different persons with the same authority and power. Some believe that one is a Jesus is a part of God ( just
like water taken out of the
ocean) .
The next issue is for them to
agree and fully explain their
own form of belief . You ask
them questions and they will
refuse to answer .
The most painfull part is that
they will support each other as
long as they both belief that
Jesus is God despite knowing
that they have totally different
approach and understanding of the topic.

You replied me, my next post to you was

Not thinking ahead, my view is based on posts and threads I've read .
I did not make anything up, some do believe Jesus is a part of God.
You and bingbagbo believe
Jesus is God.
You and him have different
views on how Jesus is God .
Have you ever told him that his
views on Jesus and the father
are same person is wrong?
Has he ever told you that ur
views are wrong since both of
you have different views on
how Jesus is God?
He has not directly asked me
any question. But you can if you wish to , but u must first explain ur view on any scripture you
quote first .

You replied me and even went on to quote a wrong translation of 1 Tim 3:16. And I replied with these post .

I have a feeling you will not answer my question ,
bimgbagbo Jesus is same as
the father(?), Is ur Jesus the
same as the father ?.
Do you agree to the scriptures
he showed you on who he
believe Jesus is?
I have not started this
discussion to go into who Jesus is(we will get to that shortly ), just wanted to discuss the different views on who Jesus is by you and bmgbagbo. You dnt believe in the same Jesus , or do you?
Do u You agree with his
Statements on who Jesus is? If
no why?
Strongly hope you will answer
my questions this time
Modified: pls answer my
questions so we can move into.
The issue you raised on 1 ti
3:16

This was ur reply

Talk about confusion
@red, your feelings are right, I
don't get into discussions with
jw, I sometimes show up their
wrongs, but you already know
this
I don't believe in trying to
change unbelievers, it's like
chatting with the devil.

Can you now see that I tried to ask you questions and you did not answer?
I even went on to ask u a question on john 5:7
If you are truthful, kindly let us look at the scriptures you quoted john 5:7 and 1Tim 3:16 and let's see if ur quotes are right or wrong and if trully they are what the disciples wrote or are insertions made by ur trinity forefathers.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its the same thing said differently .

Nooooooo!
3 in 1 and 1 in 3 are two different things.

His version is totally diferent from urs when we look at it from persons or entities.

FrancisTony:
Have you heard of Divinity of Christ?
He existed in two forms both human & divine.

Where in the scriptures can we find these.

While praying to God, He was manifesting in His human form to show example to mankind.

what example did he show to mankind?
That he being a god does not have the capacity of saving himself

His human form prayed to God.
His human form ate.
His human form slept.
His human form endured pains.
His human form cried.

But His form as God healed the sick, bestowed power & authorities to heal, perform miracles et al to/on mankind.

When the holy spirit came on jesus, did he now have 2 gods in his human form? .
What did jesus say about the power to heal.?
Why did his god form not know certain things when he was being questioned by his disciples?

chuna1985:
Jesus was praying to God because he was a mere man...
Paul said in d bible - Jesus is a man chosen by God.

Bur some say he is also 100% god.?

SonOfEl:
God is A (not two or three) Spirit as seen in John 4:24, he is the holy and eternal spirit that fathered and dwelt in a tabernacle he made for humanity's redemption (the man Christ) (Matthew 1:18, 2Corinthian 5:19). He filled his fullness into Christ (john 3:33-34, Colossians 2:9), that is he said " this is my beloved son, IN whom I am well pleased". God is the Holy Spirit, father of Jesus Christ ( Matthew 1:18). Jesus is called God because according to him if you see him, you have seen the father (meaning Gods fullness without measure dwells omnipresently INSIDE him also) (John 14:1- 10). Jesus is God becausing the the Father dwells fully in him, and also, he comes in his father's name- Jesus (meaning Jehovah-saviour) (John 5:43).

The Elohim Spirit being, manifests himself in 3 redemptive offices- Father (in creation), Son (in salvation), Holy Spirit (in empowerment and regeneration). I am a son, a husband, and a schoolteacher, it does not make me 3 persons in 1, rather, it makes me one person manifesting my 3fold obligations as a son, husband, and teacher. See 1Timothy 3:16.

"Let us make man in our own image" is God speaking to his ministering spirits I.e. ANGELS. Genesis 11and 2Chronicles 18:18-22 also shows God speaking to his angelic host as " let us". Angels DID NOT create man, But they ministered to God while he was creating man, Genesis 1:28 says "and God created man in HIS ( not THEIR) own image ( i.e. spirit being), male and female made HE ( not THEY) them. God ALONE created man, while angels ministered (attended) to his needs while he was creating man. God carries his angelic host along in whatever he does, they are his ministers (attendants).

In essence, God is ONE SPIRIT, ONE LORD, made manifest in three ways in his omnipresent ability, NOT THREE PERSONS COMING TOGETHER AS ONE GOD.

I recommend this book: SCRIPTURES MISUSED IN CHRISTENDOM. Volume 1: The Godhead, By CHIKA CHRISTIAN or call 08060411271, 07056368705 for a copy.

Another version again,@ KingEbukasBlog, do you agree with the bold above?.

KingEbukasBlog:
Don't flatter yourself , your questions are not clear enough

1. The first question means you dont understand how three different persons can exist as one . Entities mean existing independently . Meaning they can communicate with each other but hey they are one ! Because they share one God-nature . It is

Bro, one asks questions when one don't understand a theory or has issues that he or she want clarified
. Hence your repeating that I dnt understand something is crap. When I ask you questions, pls answer. I'm not trying to get myself flattered.

I asked you if the father and jesus exist as 2 different persons in heaven or as one person?. These question you keep refusing to answer.
If they exist independently, then they are not one person ! They are two independent entitities.
You try to merge them together with the use of the word "god - nature", what is "god nature" and how do we understand ur views with what is said in 2 peter1:4 and the statement that "god is a spirit".?
.

At this point, I believe we should start using the scriptures as the basis of our views.

2. I was trying to introduce flair responding to your question . I created a scenario,which was :

Who is God ?

The Father says I am

The Son says I am

The Holy Spirit says I am

How is this possible ?

Because we three are one

^^^ That is creating a scenario . I was trying to elicit an imagination from you in a bid to make you understand what the trinity is all about

The bold statements where made before I asked the question.
Anyway, these post above does not answer the questions.
The questions are on the use of the statement "i am" . Does the use of that statement signify that that person is god? If not, then the use of that word by any person is not a direct signification that that person is god, hence the scenario does not hold water.
Furthermore, I asked you to show where the holy spirit said "I am".
If by examination, the holy spirit is not found to say " I am
" , why did you say he said it? If it is found that the statement in bold above is false, then ur whole scenario created to support ur views on trinity is false!.

3. That's why I preferred the word "entity" , because they exist independently but they share one nature , [b]one divine essence[/] , one mind of purpose and of being but of different individual mind .

None of the three created the other and they are one existing in three forms .

Even man is trinity - the body, soul and spirit - but these exist within one whole . YOU ! But the God trinity exist as three different entities .

So was he talking to Himself ? NO

Pls answer the following questions
A. What is the form that the three exist in. Use scripture pls.
B. Can you add scriptural prove to indicate that they share one nature?
C. Does sharing indicate equality?
D. Do you agree that the god you are trying to portray exist in three forms at same time or at different points in time, pls what are these forms, and where do we find that in the scriptures.
E. You link man trinity and god trinity . Does each of the trinity in man exist independently? If so, do they have different minds and will?
F.

If they exist as three different entities, that means they exist as 3 different gods. Unless u say one is not able to assume the nature of god unless it merges with the other two entities . And if they combine with the other two entities to form one god. Then it means they are no longer distinct and different entities anylonger.
So its either we have 3 gods in one, or one god in 3 places, forms, entities. Whichever one you choose , I want you to use scripture as support.
Lastly, do these 3 entities have same authority or one is a subject of the other or others.

johnw74:
not you or any so called jw has shown me to be wrong
except in your own deluded minds, believing your changed and twisted scriptures

yes, everyone knows i say Jesus Christ is God the Word, and other Christians know also and agree with me
and yes, everyone knows i say jesus Christ was bodily resurrected etc etc etc, and other Christians know also and agree with me

however antichrists,
those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan
say Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel, even though God the Word, come Jesus Christ created all the angels

once there was nothing at all except God, and God the Word created all there is, Angels, the Earth, people and so on.

Everyone knows that if I ask you a question or two about what you have been saying, you wunt answer the questions but give ur usual reply.

@ kingEbukasBlog

1 . I asked you :
Is the father and Jesus two
different persons in heaven or
exist as one person?

You answered

1. They are different entities
existing as one entity

I did not ask you about entity or entitities, I asked about person(s)
......................................


I asked you :
So anybody that says "I am is
god abi? If not, then saying "i
Am" does not prove you are god.
By the way, I want you to point
out where the holy spirit said " I am".
You answered :

2. Your second question is not
clear enough ... elucidate

Bro, my question is clear enough!
.......................................

I asked you :
So when Jesus ascended to
heaven and god told him to sit at his right hand, was god talking to himself? Or was he conversing with the other person of the same person in another dimension?

You answered :

3. They are different entities that share one nature - the "God nature "
4. I was stating an example .

Bro, ur answers are off the mark!

KingEbukasBlog:
Outline these questions please .

Read the post I quoted you on, the questions re there. Its just a few lines up.

KingEbukasBlog:
Excellent response

Why ?

Because this showed that your inability to understand that three entities exist as one proved the truth

My inability to understand prompt Me to ask some questions in my post to you .

Now what do we call ur inability to answer the questions that test ur own version of trinity?

KingEbukasBlog:
In Heaven (a different dimension ):

God - Father
- Son
- Holy Spirit

Three of these entities are one person .

On earth (our dimension )

This is a new one again, another version .

Emeka and Uche are two different persons and cannot exist as one

Isn't this cogent enough ?

Is the father and jesus two different persons in heaven or exist as one person?

Or Better explanation :

Who is God?

The Father says I am

The Son says I am

The Holy Spirit says I am

How possible ?

So anybody that says "I am is god abi? If not, then saying "i
Am does not prove you are god.
By the way, I want you to point out where the holy spirit said " I am".

Because we three are one person. They are not three gods but One God existing as three entities ( in entirely different dimension) .

So when jesus ascended to heaven and god told him to sit at his right hand, was god talking to himself? Or was he conversing with the other person of the same person in another dimension?

You guys are always looking for human philosophy to explain your 3 in one or one in three god.

These ur post has issues with enormous dimensions

plappville:
Exactly, He declared this several times. But as usual. Man wants to add to God's word..

The angel told mary who she was going to give birth to, he will be called " gods son " I read and did not read "god the son" .

I recall that jesus specifically asked peter who he thinks he is, and peter answered him with "son of god ".
I read that jesus told mary , I have not yet ascended to my god and ur god. Some say jesus is god, but jesus says he has a god.

I have read about who jesus called "the only true god" and I did not see the holy spirit or jesus mentioned there.

CharlyG1:
.. Try to play Syphon Filter: Logan's shadow.. I could play that game 7 times without getting tired. its so much fun

Thanks

CharlyG1:
No.. I havn't, still busy with some other games

I have metal gear peace walker, not really played it yet