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Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 8:12pm On Dec 08, 2013

Mark Miwerds: Will we give all ten points with their references all at once at the beginning? and then present the 1st point again with it's Discuss?

or just one point at a time, the Discuss, the Rebuttal, etc.?

Never mind. I see one at a time.

I just saw this. Please refer to the rules thread for further understanding but let me explain somethings:

If by 8:30pm, Image and co have not made their presentation, then you and Candour are to present M1.

That Post is to be titled Presenting M1 in bold.

Then you could go further to subtitle it Abram's Tithe was not His Own Property in bold.

Then you will make your presentation.

We do not have any rule for length of presentations, but we encourage our participants to make clear, readable, well anontated presenations; they could break it into a number of posts, if the presentation is too long, to encourage reading.

When you are through with you presentation, you should state: ended, in bold.

Then Image123 and co are to offer a rebuttal to this post. Which is to be done in less than 12 hours from the time of your presentation. They will title there rebuttal Rebutting M1 and give it any subtitle they want.

When they are done. You are to respond to their rebuttal: Response to Rebuttal M1

And they will respond to your response: Response to Response M1

All of the last two post with 12 hours difference at most.

Then they will make their own presentation at most 24 hours from that last post

Do you understand the picture, sir.

I encourage you look up the rules for presentation again.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 7:51pm On Dec 08, 2013

@Participants

To curtail further waste of time, the only discipline that I think is appropriate for now, is to ask Miwerds/Candour to Present M1 at about an hour from now.

But this is going to be at 8.30pm, Nigerian time; which should be 1:30pm at Miwerds' Missipi (if I am not wrong).

Let us give Image and co about an hour more. If they do not present R1, then Miwerds can present M1.

This will give the anti-tithers the opportunity to start off the discuss.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 7:33pm On Dec 08, 2013

Ajibam and I are working on an appropriate discipline for those who fall behind schedule. We will get back at you on our decision.

This being the first of its kind, hiccups are likely to occur. So the delay. I request that we show some patience with Image and Co.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:29pm On Dec 08, 2013

Candour: Hi DrummaBoy, No need to apologise for Ajibam doing the job you begged of him. I would even like a situation where posts made by participants hidden too if they are not relevant to the discuss at hand.

We've had enough time to banter. Now we want to discuss so let all of us be in the mood to discuss

Thank you

Thanks Candour.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:23pm On Dec 08, 2013

Hello Guys

I want to apologize for all of your comments that have just been hidden in the discussion thread proper.

Apparently you guys broke the rules and Ajibam just enforced them.

I would like to see a situation were the discussions that naturally should have been on the discussion thread go on here. The only people barred from posting here are the participants.

So let us have your views but unfortunately, they will only be limited to this thread. When the discuss is over, we shall have all the to discuss on that other thread.

Thank you for your understanding.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 7:17pm On Dec 08, 2013

Thank you very much Mark Miwerds.

We are yet to see Image and co on either of the thread on this discuss.

I am asking anyone who knows their contact to tell them that the discuss has started.

We await Image123 and Rhymeyjohn.

Thank you Ajibam for your presence and work.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 7:05pm On Dec 08, 2013*

[size=16pt]Attention Audience!!![/size]

We would like to thank and appreciate you all for your patience with us on this thread and for not posting indiscriminately; abiding by our rules. Following the tithe discuss, we will be allowing both tithers and those who do not tithe to present their views also; knowing fully well that there are some of us who are veteran tithe supporters and some who are anti-tithers. A full day of 24 hours shall first be given to only tithers to air their position on tithing. Posters in this section will still be asked to observe the rules for posting on this thread which our participants have abided by: no insults; no jibes; etc. Then a full day shall be given to those who do not tithe to air their views next. In this section, we would prefer that posters do not refute each other posts but rather concentrate on stating a summary of their views on tithing and why they think people should tithe or not tithe. No limit shall be given to this post; except that it should not be more than one post and it should finish with “end”. Then the moderators themselves shall state their own position on tithing.

After this, the flood gate shall be opened to “outsiders”. We trust that the nairaland management shall be kind enough to put the thread on front page after the whole conclusion of the matter “in-house”. Then everyone will be free to post, without limitation, without the rules.

Until that time audience are still advised not to post while the discussion is going on or your post will be hidden.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 6:56pm On Dec 08, 2013

[size=16pt]Attention All Participants:[/size]

You are hereby refered to this thread to begin the discuss:

https://www.nairaland.com/1548047/theological-discuss-tithing-rhymeyjohn-image123

Thank you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 6:48pm On Dec 08, 2013*

Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 6:48pm On Dec 08, 2013*

[size=16pt]THE AUDIENCE[/size]

To facilitate a smooth and thorough discussion we shall be laying down some guidelines and rules for our “audience”. We wanted a situation where only the discussants and the moderators shall be able to post on the thread but we have not been able to achieve that. Thus, to curtail unneccesary posting and a derailing of this thread we ask that our viewers or audience abide by these rules.The central moderator, Ajibam, shall be available to enforce the rules; which in some extreme cases will require that he hides some comments:

1. The audience are enjoined not to post on the thread at all. If they must post, it must be a relevant point to the discussion at hand. The moderators shall judge whether this post is necessary or not. If it is an unneccesary post, the moderators shall be hiding the post. We understand that we do not see it all; and it is possible that some of our audience have made an observation that has skipped our eyes, if you make reference to a matter like that; we consider that post valid and it shall remain. If not, we call on our audience to refrain from posting irrationally on this thread.

2. This thread is not open to any other debates on tithes. There are hundreds of tithe thread that can be utilized for that, including the one that birth this.

3. The discussion is meant to last some times. We are allowing 50hours maximum to cover discussion on each point a discussant is presenting. With a likelihood of 20 points to cover; we envision that this discussion will cover a maximum of about 1000 hours, which is about 2 months. So we call on our audience to forbear with us; for it is a slow, steady but sure way of reaching a goal, which is understanding the biblical tithes.

4. The audience will have opportunity to ask our discussants questions only after the discussion is concluded. Any question or comment directed at discussants shall be hidden. If an audience must say anything on this thread it must be directed at the moderator.

5. Following the discussion we trust that the Nairaland authorities shall place the thread on front page to allow people access to the information on it. And the floor will be open to any other comment.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 6:48pm On Dec 08, 2013*

[size=16pt]Rules, Regulations and Format of Presentation for the Participants:[/size]

1. During the discussion there shall be no insults, name calling, maligning, critic of churches or ministers, or any intentional bid to make an opponent look bad. The discuss shall be done with the utmost respect of each person involved - conveying the Christian spirit of love. If anyone feels insulted, he shall be reporting the matter to the moderator; who holds the right to call the other person to order. If this is repeated by the same individual who does not take to correction, the discuss shall be suspended to allow for a replacement of that person.

When someone has been proven to have insulted another, he will be required to make an unreserved apology to the other party. The term of replacing a participants will be when he refuses to make this apology.

2. So as to avoid time wastage, posters will be required to state when they will be making their presentations; and if there arise some unforseen circumstance, they should inform the house about it.

3. Let us keep the aim of the discuss at heart: it is not to win an argument but to present the facts that are behind our position on "tithing" or "not tithing".

4. Both sides in one post shall be presenting 10 points each on thier position on tithing. Each point shall be named after the lead discussants on each side. Thus for Rhymeyjohn, his points shall be listed: R1, R2, R3,...., R10. Miwerds, his points will be M1, M2, M3,...., M10. Here is an example for the post by Rhymey

Example:

R1: Tithe is an Eternal Principle (Heb 20:20; Mark 24:2; ....)

R2: Tithe is compulsory (John 25:1; Ezekiel 60:70;....)

Then Miwerds shall make his own presentation in one post M1,...; along with their scriptural positions.

This is neccesary so that we do not repeat points already discussed. Also, if in the procees of discussing point R2, point R7 had been trashed out, by the time you get to point R7, the two groups could agree to skip it.

When a group makes a presentation and the four steps of response is exhausted, the other group will make their own presentation. So for this discuss, I suggest that Ryhmejohn presents his R1 first; to be followed by Miwerds M1; and the discuss will continue in that manner.

5. Presentation will be in this format

a. Presenting a point, say R1 by Ryhmey, titled Presenting R1. When you are done with your presentation, you should state "end"

b. A rebuttal of R1 by Miwerd/Candour titled Rebutting R1.

c. Then a Response to Rebuttal by Rhymey, titled Response to Rebuttal R1.

d. Then a response to response by Miwerds/Candour titled Response to Response R1.

This way each post on the discuss has a name and can be refered to easily later if there is a need to do so. Also, after a point has been trashed out in this four steps outlined above, it should not be revisited again. Not that the point cannot be mentioned in a latter discuss, but that this particular discuss will be considered finished at this point and there will be no need to refer to it again. This is to discourage un-ending hammering of a point. Therefore participants are expected to do a thorough work in the two opportunities they have to present on a point.

6. Time must be permitted for each group to make their presentations. If anyone is handicapped and cannot make his/her presentation as quickly as possible, he/she may refer to the other to help him do it or tell the house when he intends to come and make the presentation.

7. Anybody among the two can make a presentation, however, he/she is expected to title his presentation properly.

8. This discuss is not intended to last a few days; it will probably take some months; so participants are expected to make the required sacrifice.

9. All points to be presented must be backed up by the Holy Bible, the one accepted by most non-Catholic churches.

10. The moderators shall be DrummaBoy and Ajibam. If any of the participants is uncomfortable with our manner of handling things, a change can be agreed upon. Please note that only participants can make suggestions for rules to be changed.

11. Participants hold the right to drop out of the discuss if they want to: due to fatigue or some or unforeseen circumstances. He/she is however advised to nominate a replacement of himself/herself.

12. While participants are not stopped from engaging the "audience", we would like to discourage this; so they can concentrate on the matters being discussed at hand. If such "engagement" does occur, we advice that it should not be to spite another participant or you will be penalized. Opportunity shall be given to the audience to ask questions but only after the discuss is concluded.

13. Participants are requested not to post on any tithe thread that is currently running on the religion section of this forum in the duration that this discuss will hold.

14. To curb excessive waste of time, we hereby request that when the discuss begin and participants are requested to make their presentations, the very first presentation should not take more than 24 hours to be done (with correction and editing). Subsequent responses to that presentation (that is the next three steps) should not take more than 12 hours to be done. If these rules are not adhered to the moderators will have to come up with a commensurate act of penalizing the participants.

Christianity Etc › A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 6:47pm On Dec 08, 2013*

[size=16pt]WELCOME ADDRESS[/size]

I want to welcome everyone to the first ever e-discussion on the subject of tithing. This discussion was borne from my own personal desire to see tithes discussion transcends debates and enter into a more beneficial and intellectual discuss. The idea was first muted on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1540233/inviting-tithers-theological-discuss-miwerds and by the time the thread was reaching its 10th page we had a number of people who had graciously lent themselves to discuss the tithe matter. Mark Miwerds and Candour shall be discussing on why Christians should not tithe today. On the other side Image123 and Rhymeyjohn shall be explaining to us why it is needful for Christians to tithe today.

The two groups are well prepared and shall be making their presentations in a matter of moment. We have made it clear that this is not a debate but a discussion, so that there shall be no winner nor looser. We trust God that the gain of this discuss will be people visiting this thread in the years to come to gain understanding on the whole matter of tithing. So that he that wishes to tithe still will continue to do so; and he that doesn’t will not feel condemened but will base his practice on sound scriptural positions as will be discussed.

The thread shall open for our participants as they present the points they will be discussing in one post with their scriptural references. On that post I request that our participants make a brief introduction of the subject to be discussed and extend a hand of sportsmanship to their “opponents” with the desire for cordiality and love that must form the foundation on which the discuss shall stand. This post, remember, is to be brief.

We trust God that as you sit back and enjoy the discuss, you will solidly be blessed.

Thank you for joining us.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 6:25pm On Dec 08, 2013

[size=20pt]We are about to start...[/size]

First, I must thank everyone who has shown interest in the success of this project. I understand that some people had their fears as regard what our motives were behind this whole discussion at first. My hope is that their fears have been wholly allayed by now by the sincerity of our actions so far.

I will be opening a new thread for the discuss proper at 6.30pm, as has been suggested by most of the participants, and will be placing the link here for us to go there. This is neccesary because this thread which was originally opened for the discuss has been "corrupted" in a sense. We desire that in the days to come people can go to the discuss thread proper and meet a discussion and not bickering like this thread has turned to. So please forbear with us as we move.

Also, the discussion thread will have rules for our "audience" or viewers. I am trusting God that we shall be getting the services of a central moderator who will be regulating postings on the discussion thread proper. Only six people are expected to post on that thread: they are the four participants and the two moderators. The rest of us can only view. Now, the facility on nairaland does not permit only a number of people to post, as far as I know, you may still be able to post but if you do and your post is irrelevant to the matter at hand, it will be hidden by the moderators. And we would request you should not be angry. In the discussion thread, a post shall be made available for audience to see the conditions that will permit a post to remain on the discussion thread. At most, most posts will be hidden.

The participants are requested to make themselves available via the internet. The participants are expected to present their points and label them appropriately according to the rules. BTW, pariticipants should be abreast with those rules by now. Image123 and Rhymeyjohn shall be presenting their R1 point first and that will be discussed thoroughly before we move over to Miwerds and Candour's M1 point.

I personally request that those who sincerely desire that the truth of God's word is revealed, should pray that this project/discussion will be successful. That Jesus will use the participants to make his mind clear once and for all on this very contentious matter of tithing as we have today.

Thank you all for your support; for visiting and viewing this thread; and for supporting me.

I am hoping that following this discussion I will retire from Nairaland discuss and face the work which the Lord is placing in my hand in the city of Ibadan, Nigeria. I am also using this opportunity to extend an invitation to anyone who will be in Ibadan any time next year and would want to be fellowship with us or partake of the work, to send me an email @ electronic_mails_4me@yahoo.com. You may also read my thoughts on my blog on: www.yesufu..com.

Thank you and God bless you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 6:06pm On Dec 08, 2013

Goshen360: You are 10:23 right now. Your login time will be 12 noon on the central standard time, 12noon with you will be 7pm Nigeria time on the GMT.

Thank you Goshen.

That would have been very difficult for me to answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should He Pay 10% Of His Tithe Or Less? by DrummaBoy(m): 1:20pm On Dec 08, 2013

cold: What i still can't factor into this tithe debate is..if salvation is free,why does God insist on10% of your income? Defies logic

Exactly. This is the premise I argued that me the wrath of the organized church I belong to.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 1:09pm On Dec 08, 2013

DrummaBoy: COMING SOON... THE MOTHER OF ALL DISCUSSES ON TITHES...FEATURING RHYMEJOHN, IMAGE123, MARK MIWERDS AND CANDOUR... COME ONE, COME ALL... COME AND UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD TITHE OR WHY YOU SHOULD NOT... TIME: 7:00PM TODAY... MODERTORS: AJIBAM, DRUMMABOY... VENUE: NAIRALAND RELIGION SECTION... COMING SOON!!!

SIX HOURS TO GO... PARTICIPANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO BE ON THEIR MARKS... LOL!

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 10:37am On Dec 08, 2013

COMING SOON... THE MOTHER OF ALL DISCUSSES ON TITHES...FEATURING RHYMEJOHN, IMAGE123, MARK MIWERDS AND CANDOUR... COME ONE, COME ALL... COME AND UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD TITHE OR WHY YOU SHOULD NOT... TIME: 7:00PM TODAY... MODERTORS: AJIBAM, DRUMMABOY... VENUE: NAIRALAND RELIGION SECTION... COMING SOON!!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:49pm On Dec 07, 2013

Rhymeyjohn: @Drummaboy, i think i understand the rules. you can call me to order if i miss. I wish the thread can be open tomorrow afternoon latest, so we can begin. God Bless

Good. We have you on board.

Image123 indicated that he sent you a PM; you should check your email to find out what he is saying. Both of you are to make this submission as one man and not as two individuals. The advantage of having two people on a team is for another to cross check the notes you have both written together.

So get in touch with him.

I am still trying to get the moderators to help with order on the thread; the minute I can do that, we start. We should begin latest evening tomorrow.

But pls contact Image123.

Thanks.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:17pm On Dec 07, 2013

Mark Miwerds: I will remain.

Just threw the offer out there. Goshen does seem fired up about this discussion, and I know he is very knowledgeable in the Word.

Thank you sir.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:14pm On Dec 07, 2013

Joagbaje: I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever. It's just an opportunity for insults . You're not dealing with people who want to hear or see your point of view . You're dealing with people who take pleasure in mockery . Even if you present all the convincing evidence are they humble enough to admit? . @Image don't get your righteous soul injured .
Mo ti so fún e

Permit me to respond to this post.

There is every reason for a tither to come and defend his position doctrinally here so that other may learn.

I am convinced that either party will not convince themselves. They must be persuaded of their doctrine to be able to come and state them here. The discuss is really for those who want a solid base on what they believe. There are people who want to quit tithing, they can come here and look up the two sides; if they are still convinced about stopping to tithe, they will have something to base their faith on; and their decision will not just be out of head knowledge but in faith so that it would not be sin. There are people who want to know why they should tithe beyond the curse of Malachi. This discuss will help them too.

Unfortunately you have decided to term those who do not tithe un-spiritual people. That is ok. But the only way you can convince anyone not to partake of this thread is if you also convince them never to open a tithe thread or comment on any other tithe thread ever again on Nairaland. If that is practically impossible then it will be hypocritical to ask them not to be involved in this discuss. Asking grown men not to do something they decided of their own will to do is the height of binding people up; where is the liberty that Christ preached?

So, Jo', you may not want to be involved in the discuss; fine. But do not deny others their liberty.

I thank Image123 who decided to go on with the discuss despite the unfortunate advice given above.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:06pm On Dec 07, 2013

Mark Miwerds: If Goshen would like to take my place, I would gladly step back and learn from his teachings.

No I didn't mean first choice in that manner. I think you will do perfectly well. Please I request you remain.

Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 6:36pm On Dec 07, 2013

Goshen360: @ D'boy,

I can't understand why you people can't match me with Image123. Abi how una dey do this kind ojoro thing sef? I don dey sideline since dey warm up o. Anyway, make I continue dey warm up, by the time I enter field, na to dey do some dangerous pass wey go beat defenders...

You remain our first choice now. But I had to factor in your busy schedule and that is why I suggested Candour to Mark. No wahala, time still dey for you to hammer!

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 6:34pm On Dec 07, 2013

christemmbassey: If I must pay TITHE to have life, good health, wealth, peace, wife, children, job, house, car etc. THEN CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING! I love Rm8:32. A blessed wkend to ya all. @Drummaboy, kudos,Grace and Peace be multiplied unto you. Amen.

Thank you Christembassey.

I trust Calabar is cool, sir.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 4:46pm On Dec 07, 2013

Image123: i'm always ready. However, i thought it not out of place that we wait fdor Rhymejohn who is the only one who expressed interest in this discussion. i'm ready when you are but in that case, i will only be presenting five points. If Rhymewj comes he might have some spot to add to. Tell us when 24hours start counting for first presentation. i suggest we use a new thread BTW.

Ok. Let us give Rhymeyjhn till noon tomorrow. If he doesnt shiw up we start without him. I understand that since each group will have equal go on each point, it doesnt matter they amount U bring into the discourse. Mark has 10; U can still come up with more b4 d discuss end. I am puttin finishin touches with the moderator; we will see to the new thread. Let keep 7pm tomorrow Sunday as a tentative date to start.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 2:04pm On Dec 07, 2013

frosbel: ^^^

Image123 and co have FLED

lol!!!

I am sure he won't do that.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 1:57pm On Dec 07, 2013

@Image123

I need to know how far you have gone with contacting Rhymey. We may be kicking off the discuss very soon. Are we on the same page, sir?

@Participants

I encourage you begin to put finishing touches to your presentations.

By now, it is expected you have gotten in touch with your allies and come up with your ten points each for the discuss with their scriptural references. These ten points shall be presented in one post for all to see, before the discuss kicks off. Image and Rhymey shall name their points R1, R2,...., R3; while Miwerd and Candour shall name theirs M1, M2,...., M3, accordingly.

Image and co shall be presenting first. Their first presentation shall be titled Presenting R1; then Mark and co shall offer a rebuttal titled Rebutting R1; Then Image and co shall counter that with Response to rebuttal R1; Then Mark and co shall end this discuss with Response to Response R1. The first presentation shall be done by Image 123 and co at a stipulated time the Moderators shall state. Then the remaining three responses shall come in a space of 12 hours (max) from each other.

Following this Miwerd/Candour shall present M1 and the above sequence will be followed. And the discuss will go on back and forth that way till it ends.

I will encourage we study the rules carefully. And present objections now or forever hold our peace (lol).

I have been able to get the assistance of Ajibam as a Co-moderator for this discuss. He will be coming in any time soon. Let us behave ourselves and make him feel at home. He will be on ground to enforce some rules, including rules for the audience themselves that shall be conveyed to them in due time.

Thank you all for your patience and your visiting this thread that promises to be the mother of all tithe discusses. We do not promises that tithe debates will end after this one, but we believe that people who seek understanding will have a thread to visit. So that he that wishes to continue to tithe; should tithe still and he that does not feel compelled to tithe will enjoy the liberty that the Word of God promises him, should not feel condemned for not tithing.

Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 11:45am On Dec 07, 2013

Image123: i never hear from my ally oh. i think the 12hour ultimatum is short. Please make it 24hours. i'll do the best to respond early but i sincerely cannot guarantee the 12hour limit everytime. i think i'm ready,lol.

As for ur ally, I will advice U seek for a replacement. If he comes along the way U can still incooperate him into ur presentation. That is miwerds does not disagree. As for the rule, pls let us keep it that way. That was d set back to d deepsight thread on trinity and we should not repeat the mistake. If U need more time for a presentation, U can request for it and we should grant it. I am finalizing issus with the central moderators. The minute I get their cooperation we will start. In the main time get Rhmey or a replacement.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:49am On Dec 07, 2013

shdemidemi: Wowwww...

Great job you are doing here @drummaboy

Though, I personally stay away from tithe discussions, this one promises to be different due to the clear vision and focus of the 'self appointed' mod. As he fondly addresses himself on this thread.

I am sure this gesture of proper organisation and zest to educate people isn't limited to this forum. It will surely reflect in every area of your life.

I really appreciate the work you put in, MAY THE LORD CONTINUALLY BE YOUR STRENGTH.

MY regards to CANDOUR, MARK MIWERDS, IMAGE123 and RHYMEJOHN. I look forward to learn more about this issue of tithing from your viewpoints and at the end of it all, only the name of God shall be glorified.

Thank you very much Demi. That was really encouraging.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:47am On Dec 07, 2013

Announcement to all participants:

One more item of rule (no. 14) has been added to the rules and regulations. You are requested to be abreast with these rules before the discuss commences. Pls refer any question on them to me. We may not be able to change these rules when the discussion starts proper O. So make your reservation clear now on them.

Proposed rules:

https://www.nairaland.com/1540233/inviting-tithers-theological-discuss-miwerds/4#20014734

Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:39am On Dec 07, 2013

Image123: Rhymej, my pally made my "ally" . Sorry, it seems i'm the "ally" fa. Anyway, i sent you a message oh, check your mail.

Image123 we are still waiting to hear from you and your ally and to know how far you have gone with preparation.

I am still asking you guys to study the rules and mode of presentation so that we do not have difficulty during the presentation.

One item of rule is added now to curb excessive waste of time. Pls check the rules on pages 4 once more.

Let me hear from you, ASAP.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 9:03pm On Dec 06, 2013

Mark Miwerds: It is time for me to sleep some. Be back in a few hours. God bless.

Hopefully we should have made some progress before you wake up.

Sleep tight.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:53pm On Dec 06, 2013

Rhymeyjohn: @Drummaboy, am in. Lets begin, on a different thread, one on which no passerby can bag into and give bashing comments to any side. I want it to be five presentations at once, not ten. The thread shouldn't be on the frontpage for the period of the discussion.
@Image, Prepare your points too, and be ready to defend mine.
God bless

There is an order of presentation that is on the rules and regulations post I put up last time. Please read it and understand how you should make your presentations.

If you insist on five points, I will allow you to present yours first and then Image123 can make it up with another five, but different points.

Pls read the regulations again with emphasis on the bolded:

4. Both sides in one post shall be presenting 10 points each on thier position on tithing. Each point shall be named after the lead discussants on each side. Thus for Rhymeyjohn, his points shall be listed: R1, R2, R3,...., R10. Miwerds, his points will be M1, M2, M3,...., M10. Here is an example for the post by Rhymey

Example:

R1: Tithe is an Eternal Principle (Heb 20:20; Mark 24:2; ....)

R2: Tithe is compulsory (John 25:1; Ezekiel 60:70;....)

Then Miwerds shall make his own presentation in one post M1,...; along with their scriptural positions.

This is neccesary so that we do not repeat points already discussed. Also, if in the procees of discussing point R2, point R7 had been trashed out, by the time you get to point R7, the two groups could agree to skip it.

When a group makes a presentation and the four steps of response is exhausted, the other group will make their own presentation. So for this discuss, I suggest that Ryhmejohn presents his R1 first; to be followed by Miwerds M1; and the discuss will continue in that manner.

5. Presentation will be in this format

a. Presenting a point, say R1 by Ryhmey, titled Presenting R1. When you are done with your presentation, you should state "end"

b. A rebuttal of R1 by Miwerd/Candour titled Rebutting R1.

c. Then a Response to Rebuttal by Rhymey, titled Response to Rebuttal R1.

d. Then a response to response by Miwerds/Candour titled Response to Response R1.

This way each post on the discuss has a name and can be refered to easily later if there is a need to do so. Also, after a point has been trashed out in this four steps outlined above, it should not be revisited again. Not that the point cannot be mentioned in a latter discuss, but that this particular discuss will be considered finished at this point and there will be no need to refer to it again. This is to discourage un-ending hammering of a point. Therefore participants are expected to do a thorough work in the two opportunities they have to present on a point.

6. Time must be permitted for each group to make their presentations. If anyone is handicapped and cannot make his/her presentation as quickly as possible, he/she may refer to the other to help him do it or tell the house when he intends to come and make the presentation.

7. Anybody among the two can make a presentation, however, he/she is expected to title his presentation properly.

8. This discuss is not intended to last a few days; it will probably take some months; so participants are expected to make the required sacrifice.

Rhymey let me know whether you understand these mode of presentations and if you do not, what are your questions?

There is no hurry to start; let us be sure we are on the same page first, I hope you understand me?

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