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 Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Rudedough To A Discussion On God by DrummaBoy(op): 10:20am On Dec 23, 2013 |
Thank you Rude for your post. Permit to call you Rude in this exhange not bc I wish to vilify your monicker but so I could write it in short. You can call me Drum too if you like. I will limit myself to the question you asked me. However, you have raised cogent issues in your post which I will not address for now until you ask me to. I will however give others the freedom to do so. Again, on the issue of what you read of God in the bible, I think it reflects some of the things frosbel talks about too. Frosbel teaches that there is no hell; and that the concept of a God eternally damning people is repulsive to men and has driven them away from religion. I think it makes sense; its just that I am still not convinced by frosbel teachings that there is no hell. The tradition I received teaches hell and basic teaching of the OT and NT teaches hell. But if frosbel is right and indeed there is no hell, then maybe religion has succeeded in painting God a vilian indeed - the kind of God you read about in the bible. For one thing, I am not a religious person. I hate religion and could very well pass as an atheist myself. But having met Jesus Christ, I realize that Jesus himself hates religion and that religion crucified him. Jesus could pass as an atheist himself. My point is that a true relationship with Christ transcends religion. And many atheist have that relationship but only need to define the person in that relationship to be truly fulfilled. I will return with the answer to your question. This is just an intro. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 9:59am On Dec 23, 2013 |
Thank you Miwerds for that testimony. I will suspend further questions for now, so that the thread is not taken up with Miwerds testimony alone. I will return to it later. While we await Image123's Presentation R5 (and there is no hurry Image about presenting, sir), I will still encourage testimonies, free speeches and any such likes to keep us entertained until the discussion continue. Contributions shall be from Participants and moderators alone; please viewers should still forbear with us. I also welcome Christmas posts also, in celebrating the season. Thank you gentlemen. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Rudedough To A Discussion On God by DrummaBoy(op): 7:13am On Dec 23, 2013 |
Thank you rudedough for coming here. I am not in a good position to respond to your question now. I will do so extensively later this evening. Coming soon... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 9:45pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
While we await Image's presentation of R5, permit me to ask Mark Miwerds questions on his being blind; his being a believer in Christ and His not tithing. Blind. Sir, how did you loose your sight? I hear that blind people have other senses well developed than those of us who see. My Pastor shared a story of his blind friend in school; how this individual always seem to be able to sense things, like detecting an approaching car, even when they could not hear or see it. Is this true sir and what are some experiences you have along these lines? Please this discuss are a kind of interlude. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Agree Tithing Is Biblical - So Where Does The Money Go? by DrummaBoy(m): 9:25pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
eagle,eye:Forgive me if I do not answer your question directly but try to relate to the matter at hand from a different perspective. The reason is simple: there is no question on tithe that has not been aswered on this thread. The problem is finding the answers. For now, let me share this thought on tithing: Tithing is a system of giving that is rooted in the Old Covenant God had with Israel. Today, Christians operate under a new covenant and are not required to tithe. Simple. The argument that we hear is that Abraham tithed, we are children of Abraham and we should tithe. The simple response to that is that we are Children of Abraham only as we imitate the faith Abraham had in God to be justified by faith. Abraham was not justified by law or by works and so we cannot say that tithing is something Abraham did to be justified. Rather he was justified by faith and we all that identify with this faith are children of Abraham and are justified likewise (read Galatians 3). Now the reason the likes of Pastor Kun mentioned tithing under the law above is because prior to the law, God never spoke about the tithe. If Abraham tithed, it was based on two things: 1. Observing a cultural practice of his time that required the giving of a tenth of a war spoils to kings and priests. 2. A prophetic action, like many of his actions were, to point us to the greatness of Melchizedek's priesthood, a priesthood like that of Christ. Hebrew 7. If Melchizedek priesthood is great and greater than Aaron, then Jesus' priesthood is great and greater than Aaron and the Jews should do away with Aaron and identify with Jesus (Another reason no one should tithe today as tithing is the system that sustains the Levithical/Aaronic order. If it is done away, tithing is done away likewise). The only place where God mentioned Tithes is under the law. He defines his tithes in Leviticus 27:30-33 and this definition shows that they are agricultural products that includes plants and husbandary that must be taken from the Jews land to be given to Levites. If the tithes you pay do not conform to these three things from that definition, you are not paying God's holy tithes rather you are giving something that stems from the doctrines and manipulations of men; and it will amount to the biggest fraud of all times. Three things informs a tithe being the real tithe: 1. They must be food: Agric products or Husbandary, and not salary or monetary increase. 2. They must be taken from the land God gave to Israel and not from a Nigerian farm. 3. They must be given to a Levite and not a Pastor. I really hope this helps you. Thanks. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Rudedough To A Discussion On God by DrummaBoy(op): 8:57pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
aManFromMars: Merry Xmas to you tooLol!!! Now that gave me a good laugh. I am sure their is nothing X-mas in that quote by Image said. Merry X-mas in advance to all Nairalanders, BTW!!!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Rudedough To A Discussion On God by DrummaBoy(op): 8:42pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
aManFromMars: Would be funny if drummaboy ends up losing his faith on this threadI had thought this sentiments will be expressed on the thread. But I wish to make it clear even from the onset that my belief in Jesus Christ is way beyond "reason" or "faith". I know the man - the man Christ, and my life mission is to make him known. I however believe in reason, as Christ is Wisdom himself and He makes perfect sense. I believe that in my interaction with men, I can bring them to understand the Lord; and that itself is the conversion we are talking about. And I believe in faith. Trusting without seeing. I see that when you understand, you still may not comprehend all that is about God; like most of us Theist. So, that little bit is what faith takes care of. We believe in God and his Holy Son Jesus Christ! Oops sorry O, I think I have started the chat even in the absence of my friend, rudedough. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 8:26pm On Dec 22, 2013*. Modified: 11:28am On Dec 23, 2013 |
trustman: Bidam,It is not too many times I read posts on NL that perfectly reflects my thoughts and doctrine. God bless you bro for this post. In addition, this back and forth with Bidam has been done by virtually every person that does not tithe on this forum. I have witnessed Candour, Goshen360, frosbel, Pastor Kun, myself and a host of others, come here and do the same but the man continues in his obstinacy. One thing I am almost sure of is that you will not convince Bidam at the end. I will not discourage your exchanges with him; you may be the one God will use to deliver him at the very last. Consider this: a woman, Labelle, who never comments on tithe thread and has been reading posts on this forum since inception was brought out of the coolers because of Bidam's sheer obstinacy to accept the truth. What can be worse? I wish you all the best, sir. For some of us, we are done with Bidman or is Bidam, whatever! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:09pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
^^^ Thread opened: https://www.nairaland.com/1565571/inviting-rudedough-discussion-god Looking forward to your response. |
| Christianity Etc › Inviting Rudedough To A Discussion On God by DrummaBoy(op): 8:07pm On Dec 22, 2013*. Modified: 8:54pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
This thread is a continuation of the discussion on this post: https://www.nairaland.com/1540233/inviting-tithers-theological-discuss-miwerds/18#20379281 So rudedough, I again want to thank for offering to come to this discuss with me (and others who may be interested). As much as I will ask questions, I want to make it clear that you have the liberty to ask your questions to. For our viewers, rudedough is atheist. I am a Christian. I am entering this discuss with him to understand his position better and probably be able to present the person of Jesus Christ to him. Hopefully he will see "reason" in my presentation and come to faith in Christ. If not, I am sure it will be a worthwhile discuss and many will benefit from it. BTW, rudedough and I share something in common: we both do not believe that Christians are to tithe today. So, back to you sir, rudedough: First question. Your presentations and posts on tithe thread reveals an individual who does not have a head knowledge of scriptures but a heart one also. Have you ever been a Christian/Believer in Christ? If yes, when did you decide to stop believing in God and turn to atheism and what informed this decision? Thank you sir and looking forward to your response. - DrummaBoy. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:57pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
rudedough:Thank you rudedough for taking up the challenge. I will open the thread now and refer you to it ASAP. The basis of the discussion may not change your perspective on Theism. I think it will be really just to understand it. In this tithe discuss your contribution biblically have been sound and I would love to know where that came from. I will also try to be open to your questions to me as much as the anonymous privilege of this forum can afford. At the heart of the discuss really is to bring you to faith in the Living Jesus. But I will not force anything on you; I will not condemn you; I respect atheist a great deal bc I think they are closer to God than many who merely profess religion with the lips. One thing i am sure to gain from the discuss is a better understanding of atheist and a probably a better way to minister to them as a Christian. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 7:18pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
rudedough: They're all lazy criminal minded Pastors. Even Apostle Paul had a job while preaching the gospel, who are these modern day Pastors to live off of other people's hard earned money?Rudedough, while the pro-tithers have it wrong on their doctrine, I think your being an atheist, a very biblically knowledgable one for that matter, should be attended to. Will you accept a discussion on a new thread inviting you to discuss your atheistic beliefs and scriptures? I will open it if you do not mind. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 5:13pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
Image123 said in his response to response M5 on the tithe discussion thread: It is the above scenario and position that amazes us, not your haranguing or disturbing. Christians should not exactly be amazed at being disturbed or troubled. What we advice is that you leave us with God to decide. It is not you that will tell us that what we want to give our Father is unacceptable. Till date, there remains NO SCRIPTURE presented that tells us not to tithe, whether of crop or currency. Don't worry, don't call us out, thank you very much. We are okay with our giving and we also have the Spirit of God. Find another ministry as it were.Considering the bolded, it seem to me that Image123 see pro-tithers are the persecuted ones. They seem to be the maligned ones on this thread. But it is not true in reality. If anyone is being denied the liberty of what they should believe in Christendom today, it is antitithers. I can understand why tithers cannot have much of a say on this forum; the fact remains that this is a discussion forum where people come to discuss issues, anonymously, and which must be based on sound intellectual and biblical positions. Truth is the practise of tithing does not stand on a sound intellectual and biblical base and is bound to fall on its face anywhere it is scrutinized rigorously. So Image and co feel they are the persecuted ones. In reality, anti-tithers are the persecuted ones. I read Mark Miwerds testimony of how he was excommunicated from church because he no longer tithes and teaches this on the internet. I have read of couples calling off wedding bc the wife, who is a tither cannot marry a man who believes he has liberty with what he should do with his money. I myself was recently sacked from being a church worker bc I made my anti-tithe postition clear to church people. I only recently learnt that many more people who do not tithe took the wiser position of not making it known to others. The truth is that in most local churches people who do not tithe are seen as devils. They are seen as people whose heaven will cave in on them. I was taken to the cleaners on this forum bc I testified that I visited Pastor Kun a leading antitither on this forum and I could not believe how blessed he appeared. With a flourishing personal business in Lagos' harsh economy; driving a 2006 benz; etc. Pro-tithers felt I had said the anathema by saying someone who does not tithe appear blessed. They did not remember that it their foremost doctrine that a devourer will devour anyoen who does not tithe. But here is a no tither who is blessed. I stopped tithing since March this year and my finances has only gotten better. Why all this lamentation: I am back to my main grouse here. That the pro-tithers are the ones that are truly guilty of denying God's people the freedom of using their finances as they feel led by God and not anti-tithers. This I hope Image123 and co will understand and not play the persecuted one on this forum. On the other hand, we that do not tithe are the ones that are facing a great deal of persecution. I still think that it is easier to obey a religious injuction that commands you to give a tenth of your salary everytime you receive than to ground yourself in the biblical understanding that you have perfect liberty to use your money for whatever you want to use it for. To give to church or to refrain. On a final note: I think any Pastor who feels threatened by the doctrine that Christians are not obligated to tithe and feels that such teachings will affect his church's finances can leave the pastoral work and go and find a job to do. Earn legitimate money and stop defrauding people of their hard earned finances. 8 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 3:02pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
Candour: Hi Image, don't worry jare. Its the Christmas season and my own schedule too has gone wacko. Instead of sending your post in bits, I'll advise you take your time and get it together to help us plan the response too. I'm sure everybody will understand.I concur with this provision. Season greetings to a everyone! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 5:39pm On Dec 20, 2013 |
ABDULADINO: Unlike you, i don't need to go to irrelevancies to prove a point.Here we go again with this challenge you have Bidam with cutting and sowing scriptures to make a point. This is the scripture you quoted in its true context: 35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 36 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left in thine house shall come and crouch to him for a piece of silver and a morsel of bread, and shall say, Put me, I pray thee, into one of the priests' offices, that I may eat a piece of bread - 1 Samuel 2Yes in the immediate context God was referring to Samuel in that scripture but in the wider context, especially taking into consideration the fact that this priest will walk before God forever, we must agree that this is one of the many times God spoke of the coming of the Priesthood of Jesus that will replace the weak and beggarly priesthood of Aaron. Samuel is better referred to as a Prophet and a judge in Israel, and certainly not a priest: 19 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground. 20 And all Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was established to be a prophet of the LORD. 21 And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the LORD - 1 Samuel 3 15 And Samuel judged Israel all the days of his life. 16 And he went from year to year in circuit to Bethel, and Gilgal, and Mizpeh, and judged Israel in all those places. 17 And his return was to Ramah; for there was his house; and there he judged Israel; and there he built an altar unto the LORD - 1 Samuel 7Samuel will never have referred to himself as a priest because everyone knew who a priest was - a descendant of Aaron. If Samuel had collected a tithe it would have come in line with his duty as someone dedicated to temple work as his mother did. Samuel knew where he came from and understood his calling in life; his mother may have dedicated him to temple work but when he was old enough, he left the temple, returned to his hometown Ramah and judged Israel from there. You can be sure he never collected anyone's tithe from that place. And as an addendum: people did not give the priest tithes. They gave their tithes to the Levites. It was the Levites who gave a tenth of the tithe to the priest, who in turn stored it in the treasure house. So back to the question I asked you before now: It also brings us to a general principle of scripture. God calls men to his service. Also God called the levites to the service of the Temple. These two groups of people are as different as the noon to night. God called Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joseph, Joshua, Samuel, Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc; and not one them is recorded in scripture to have been given a tithe save for the Levites and Priests. Now God is still calling men to ministry. In our time we have the very popular ones: Oyedepo, Adebgoye, Oyakhilome, etc; and tithes are being paid to them and their ministries. Are they Levites? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 11:28am On Dec 20, 2013 |
Bidam tells us that Samuel collected tithes. Where? How? I would really appreciate it if you can show us, pls. I know you may have mentioned it in the forgone discuss. I would like you to show us where you mentioned it, if you did too. Thanks. I say this because, it is not possible for Samuel to have collected tithes. Why? Simply because he was not a Levite. Rather he was a prophet that God raised up at a time in which religion had derailed in Israel and the Priests who were supposed to be used of God in this guise had gone with filthy lucre. It also brings us to a general principle of scripture. God calls men to his service. Also God called the levites to the service of the Temple. These two groups of people are as different as the noon to night. God called Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joseph, Joshua, Samuel, Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc; and not one them is recorded in scripture to have been given a tithe save for the Levites and Priests. Now God is still calling me to ministry. In our time we have the very popular ones: Oyedepo, Adebgoye, Oyakhilome, etc; and tithes are being paid to them and their ministries. Are they Levites? Simple question requiring a simple answer, thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 11:03am On Dec 20, 2013 |
Thank you Image123 for the presentation. We await Mark Miwerds and Candour for their Response to Rebuttal M5. |
| Christianity Etc › Boko Haram And The Nigerian Christian - An Article by DrummaBoy(op): 10:56am On Dec 20, 2013 |
BOKO HARAM AND THE NIGERIAN CHRISTIAN Two reports coming from Borno State gives us a fair idea of the dilemma that section of the Nigerian nation is experiencing at the moment. They are the attack on Baga village by soldiers from the Nigerian military in April 2013 and the carnage that occurred in a military base in December 2nd for which the Boko Haram sect has claimed responsibility. In the former case, the Nigerian security forces are accused of carrying out something close to genocide on a village that was suspected to be harboring Boko Harm terrorists. In the latter case these terrorists are seen to have carried out a very successful campaign against a Nigerian military formation that has caused the Nigerian military a great deal of embarrassment. In both incidences, we are at the mercy of the press to know the exact figures of the causalities and we are left to a great deal of speculation as to how these incidences occurred and what informed them. Whatever conclusions may be arrived from them and others like them, something is sure: Borno State is not at peace and the rest of Nigeria has every reason to be bothered about this. It is Borno today, it can be Oyo tomorrow. This essay is concerned about discussing the Boko Haram challenge and helping the average Nigerian Christian to have a balanced view of it so that we can work together as Nigerians to see the end of this insurgency. It must be stated from the onset that the Boko Haram sect is not Muslim. Yes, they may be said to be an Islamic sect but because of their resort to violence and murdering of innocent people – Muslims and Christians alike – their ideas are far from being Muslim. Rather they have invented a new religion that must be clearly seen as un-Islamic. It is important to state this because it is not uncommon to hear Christians refer to Muslims, in a bid to spite them, as Boko Haram. If a man holds the Islamic ideals but does not support or is not involved with men who kill others to make a political statement, that individual is not Boko Haram and Christians must understand this distinction. I have listened to messages that teach Christians that at the heart of the Islamic message is a love for violence – the Jihad. We are told that there are a number of verses in the Quran that calls faithful Muslims to kill those who do not accept their religious beliefs. My answer to such is that any warped mind can take any holy book and make it say whatever his demented thinking wants it to say. Even the bible can be interpreted to teach that Jesus supported violence. Consider these scriptures: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force – Matthew 11:12 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword – Matthew 10:35-36 These verses are the very words of Jesus and these are the kind of verses some Christian groups stood on as they embarked on the Crusades in the Middle Ages to restore Jerusalem to Christianity. History is replete with the horrors, murders and un-Christian things these men meted out in the name of Christianity. I am too sure no Christian is ready to call those people “brethren” today when we read of their escapades. This is the same challenge that the average Muslim is facing in the wake of the Boko Haram challenge that has gripped the Nigerian state. Nigerian Christians must understand that these Boko Haram are best referred to as Boko Animals – yes, brand new animals that have undergone some mutation from human beings. They have become animals not by any supernatural work of the Almighty but by their own resort to be brainwashed by some ideas that are far from Islamic. Concluded here: http://www.yesufu..com/2013/12/boko-haram-and-nigerian-christian.html 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 6:04pm On Dec 19, 2013 |
^^^ OK. Accepted. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 10:30am On Dec 19, 2013 |
Mark Miwerds and Candour On page 0, M4 is - Tithes under the Mosaic Law were in no way similar to Abram's tithe (compare Genesis 14:22-23; Leviticus 27:30-33) However M5 is M5 - Tithes under the Law were always food (Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 14:22-29: Malachi 3:7-11 While the above presentation is called: M4: THE LAW TITHE WAS AGRICULTURAL (LEV. 27:30-33) It seem to me that you have Presented M5 as M4. Is this a mistake or you plan to skip M4 as it may have been dealt with already in your discussions so far. If you do, please rename the Presentation as Presenting M5. I await your response. This does not stop Image123 and co from offering a rebuttal; when we are clear on what the name of the topic is, we can re-name the presentations as they are supposed to be. Thank you gentlemen. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 10:17am On Dec 19, 2013 |
Mark Miwerds ended his Response to Response R4 with: As to the “safest thing to do'' idea, what other practice can we approach with this mindset? Sabbath was even observed by God almighty himself so I guess that makes it a practice we should adopt to be on God's safe side. Then we can go on and pick every other good practice in the old testament like feast of weeks, feast of Pentecost etc. My brethren, if we have to approach God with this ''safest thing to do'' idea, we are no better than pagans and we would do well to stop lying to ourselves as being saved by faith in Christ.And I think it deserves a thousand likes! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:30pm On Dec 18, 2013 |
^^^ Well before you rejoice any further, Image123 has offered a rebuttal of that post by Candour. In it he mentioned: Image123:If I am not mistaken I believe that Image 123 has put tithing in the same league of "right" Christian practices as bible reading, devotion, prayer, fellowship or going to church, fasting, honoring one's parent, etc. Well I think this is not exactly correct. Tithing is a strict 10%. And as the pro-tithers define it, 10% of your increase, particularly, 10% of your salary (a definition that is alien to the bible); but it 10%. These other laudable Christian practices do not have a strict percentage or amount that must be done or offered before they are acceptable to God. My point from day one on these tithes debates has always been that the tithing follows a principle of giving. It is giving that is supposed to be in the list image made up there and not tithing. For if giving is acceptable as a Christian practice then the Christian can enjoy the freedom of giving whatever he wants, he can afford, he is led to, 10% or otherwise; just as he has the freedom to go to church or not to go; to pray for an hour, pray all night or pray for a minute; he could also fast for a day, two days or a month; the emphasis is a freedom to do as the Spirit of God propels him to do. No one has that freedom as far as tithing is concerned; it is either 10% or you are not tithing, as far as the definition of tithing from pro-tithers is concerned. So what is my point here: Tithing denies the Christian the freedom he is expected to enjoy in Christ. It is this freedom Paul showed us we must contend for in Galatians 5:1 and ensure that no one denies us that freedom. Tithing denies the believer freedom. I am sorry, Image123, tithing cannot be put in the same league of Christian practices as prayer, fellowship, fasting, giving to parents, etc. These other practices enjoy the freedom of the Spirit. Tithing does not! 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 7:45pm On Dec 18, 2013 |
Rhymeyjohn: Hello house, sorry for my continual silence. I am proposing to slightly alter my R6-R10. Image and i have agreed on this. The former one is:Mark Miwerds and Candour, I want to know if this is ok with you both. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 12:01pm On Dec 18, 2013 |
Bidam: stop hiding under a response and answer my question:Did bakker actually mention tithes and offerings as the error ? DrummaBoy: I saw this on Jim Bakker in Wikipedia and I think it is worth noting here:It is at this point I wish to advice you may need to retake your comprehension classes all over again, in case you missed them in Junior School. My last statement read in part: The text in bold and italics is the very error of tithe suporters on this forum. What is the very error of tithers on this forum; the fact that they advocate tithing; not really. But just as the text said:In his 1996 book, I Was Wrong, he admitted that the first time he actually read the Bible all the way through was while he was in prison, and that it made him realize he had taken certain passages out of context — passages which he had used as "proof texts" to back up his prosperity teachings. The very error of tithers on this forum is the fact that, like Bakker did, they have never really read the scriptures in its true context but will rather cut and sow scriptures to legitimize fraud. Now how much will you pay for this free Comprehension class? lol. My guy, Bidam, drop this fraud. Tithing has no case in this dispensation. Read the bible in context! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 9:02pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Bidam: Did bakker actually mention tithes and offerings as the error Keluong: @ BidamSo apt a response. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 8:45pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
petres_007: Choi! I must've missed a lot. I can't believe its Image123 who said these things in your quotes! Please provide links to posts you're quoting from if its not too much.First I must welcome you back from a long sabatical. Next, the said quote is from this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1548047/theological-discuss-tithing-rhymeyjohn-image123 It is an initiative here on nairaland where we set up a discussion between two tithers and two people who do not tithe. They are to discuss the tithe indepth so that readers could understand what the real biblical tithe is. We agreed on the rules to be followed and we started the discuss a bit over a week ago. You are welcome to view the discussion. On this post I have provided a link to all the discussion so far https://www.nairaland.com/1548047/theological-discuss-tithing-rhymeyjohn-image123#20085393; presently we are on number 7, and we have 13 more points to discuss. Come along and pls let other know about it so they may learn. Cheers. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 8:35pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Thank you Image123 for your presentations. Over to Mark/Candour for the appropriate response. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 6:26am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Thank you Mark for the prompt response. We await Image123 and co's response to response and Presentation of R4. I can see we are making steady progress. Thank you gentlemen. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 8:40pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
christemmbassey: OMG!That is right but this is where the party is really at https://www.nairaland.com/1548047/theological-discuss-tithing-rhymeyjohn-image123. Though limited to a few posters for now, but soon to be open to all. By the end of the day, God's people will know what to do with their money. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Tithe, You Are Obligated To Keep The Whole Law! by DrummaBoy(m): 7:37pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
I saw this on Jim Bakker in Wikipedia and I think it is worth noting here: Bakker has renounced his past teachings on prosperity theology, saying they were wrong. In his 1996 book, I Was Wrong, he admitted that the first time he actually read the Bible all the way through was while he was in prison, and that it made him realize he had taken certain passages out of context — passages which he had used as "proof texts" to back up his prosperity teachings. He wrote: The more I studied the Bible, however, I had to admit that the prosperity message did not line up with the tenor of Scripture. My heart was crushed to think that I led so many people astray. I was appalled that I could have been so wrong, and I was deeply grateful that God had not struck me dead as a false prophet! The text in bold and italics is the very error of tithe suporters on this forum. Is the tithe not the biggest fuel for the prosperity theology? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Theological Discuss On Tithing By Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds & Candour by DrummaBoy(op): 7:14pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Thank you Image for the rebuttal. The response to it should come in by 5am tommorrow. But I will bend the rules a bit; we all seem to know how the game goes in this discuss now, so rather than coming here and suggesting what time you are to post, I will give you the freedom to tell us when it will be OK for you to post. Just that I encourage it does not exceed the 12 hour limit we agreed on. If it does, do let us know. Thank you gentlemen. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Inviting Tithers To A Theological Discuss with Miwerds and Candour On Tithing by DrummaBoy(op): 10:26am On Dec 16, 2013 |
trustman:So very well said! [size=16pt]Gbam!![/size] |
? Stop reading tithes into every article you see abeg.It's high time you stop this folly of yours and grow up.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 (of 93 pages)