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Goshen360: 1. Response to the highlight in RED. You said, there's nothing like the gospel of Grace.

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. Act 20:24

The gospel of Grace of God is what Paul, the Apostle RECEIVED of Christ Himself. How then did Grace of God became a gospel? It's very simple. In the OT, it was Christ CONCEALED and HIDDEN. In the NT, it is Christ REVEALED.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. For the law was given by Moses, but[b] grace and truth[/b] came by Jesus Christ. John 1:14 & 17

Now, let's follow the precept. Paul said he received a gospel from Christ and called it gospel of Grace. How did he call it 'gospel of grace'? if not the Lord Himself that gave it to him as he said he 'received' it from the Lord.

John 1:17 said grace and truth CAME by Christ. BUT, Law was GIVEN by Moses. It can GIVE you a gift without you seeing me or knowing me. I can send you something without COMING to you. BUT when I COME, I come in my fullness and I come for a relationship - so you can KNOW me beyond giving you something.

This is the an analogy. When the Law was GIVEN, the people did not know God as a way of RELATIONSHIP. But when Christ came, he said, I am the TRUTH. John said Grace and truth. If Christ is the TRUTH, it also means he is GRACE in person who have appeared to us from the Father. When we hear gospel of Grace, it is not a teaching, it is a revelation of Christ because Christ is GRACE OF GOD wrapped in TRUTH. Jesus also said, you will KNOW the TRUTH (me, Christ) and the TRUTH (Christ) will set you free. This Grace, preached is the gospel of CHRIST preached. It is not being preached as a compliment to the Law that came by Moses.

2. The ONLY gospel I know preached from Gen to Rev is the message of God's kingdom which can be simply put as: "repent for d kingdom of God is at hand"

The ONLY one gospel is the Gospel of Grace given BY CHRIST Himself TO THE CHURCH AFTER HIS RESURRECTION, starting with the Apostles.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:6

Another gospel means there's ONLY ONE - the gospel of grace of CHRIST. He says, removed FROM grace of Christ unto ANOTHER GOSPEL. This means, grace of Christ is a gospel we are not to be removed from UNTO ANOTHER GOSPEL.

Lemme hear your view, if necessary and we can continue.

christemmbassey: @Drummaboy, i'v bn restraining maself from call u well let me just tell u here, ".....be strong in d grace that is in Christ Jesus", 2tim2:1-2. I'll still call u anyways. Bless u.

Tgirl4real: Very well sir.

You are free to post it.


@ Drummaboy,

If we are preoccupied with pleasing God, we shouldn't be bothered about those preaching tithe. Don't you think so? After all, we should leave God to judge the works.

If you know the danger of believing a false gospel, you wouldn't say that.

Enigma: Actually, although the poster did have a thing with usernames, I think that post was made out of a genuine realisation/acceptance of some of the points of those challenging the teaching of tithing. That post did me a bit of a favour because I had seen that information on the Web much earlier and "then it was no more". So, I was very pleased when it was unearthed!.

For the benefit of posters here not following the link, here is a taster of the info from the post.

(Taken from websites of RCCG SA and RCCG Netherlands)

(all emphases added --- not original)

Rhymeyjohn: Frosbel and his team of 'anti tithers' are just hypocrites who use emotions to cover truth. Ever since he stopped tithing, how many poor people has he help out of poverty? one of them 'drummaboy' exposed their hypocrisy when he said "those of us who say we don't tithe, do we give up to 10% of our income (for Gods purpose)? I don't know of others, but for me, I will be truthful, I don't... for now. https://www.nairaland.com/1294816/defence-tithes/1. you would think those who scream regularly, feed the poor, clothe the naked should do more, rather they are hypocritical heretics. A biblical pettern of them is Judas; John 12:5-6
Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
KJV

alexleo: Before setting out to preach what is contrary to your church's teaching you should expect such unpleasant actions from them. From your post, its like your wife wasn't fully in support of your mission. I wouldn't know, but if that was the case, then it means you may not have carried out the mission in the right way and as such, you are also guilty in some way. My prayer is this- If what you are preaching is approved of God, may it prosper but if its not approved of God may it be crushed and not prosper. Amen.

Bidam: If really it's true drummaboy was sacked as a church worker because of the tithe( i pray he is lying anyway maybe to generate sympathy and disciples ) then it's rather a pathetic pity that the kind of mushroom churches we have these days are just private enterprises.

No one taught me to tithe,it's a revelation i had in the light of scriptures,believers should be encouraged and persuaded in scriptural truths and not bullied in God's vineyard.I would advise drummaboy to find a church where he could grow in the knowledge of the truth of God's word.If you tithe let it be between you and God not the pastor,if you don't tithe no wahala.Every one that comes to God is not a cast away.It is such a shame i am hearing this issue from drummaboy.

Thank you (DrummaBoy) for your discuss on this Subject, kindly check your Facebook mail for another personal message.

I am Pastor Sylvester Akinsete and had just released a 177page book titled ‘ERRORS ON THE PULPIT’, TITHING: A MINISTRY OF DEATH AND ALIENATION FROM CHRIST, on the subject matter. This book was publicly presented in Nigeria at LTV on the 12th of September 2013 and now on sale. I was frightened to know that not many people realised that the Cross of Calvary is the only power of God to save (1 Corinthians 1:18). Many callers could not distinguish between the Old & New Covenants. Many believed Malachi was part of the New Testament. Majority did not know that there is a great difference between blessing and salvation. They had the premonition that once God is blessing them, it is a sign that they are saved (Luke 16:19-31). My fear is how much purported men of God are depriving their congregations the grace of God by taking them back under the curse of the law (Galatians 3:10-11) These pastors and teachers are only prying the scriptures for gain to satisfy their hedonistic and affluent jet set lifestyles. The gospel is only about Salvation and nothing more, hence Paul told the Corinthians, enough of the false gospel that had been preached to them by false teachers (2 Corinthians 11:4) He gave a grave warning for preaching other Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9) than those being preached by the Apostles (1 Corinthians 15:3-5)

Mark Miwerds: Something to think about...

Is it right for Pastors to use Malachi 3:8-10 in order to make you feel like a "God robber" because you fail to tithe your money to the Church you attend?

When they preach on Abram's tithe, do they tell you he was a "God robber" too? If not, perhaps they should.

ashieduplus: @ Enigma, Candour and co.
I rily thank God I found this thread. Only now does the gospel of Jesus Christ make. sense to me. I believe that Jesus has paid everything and we cannot add any of our works to His sacrifice... Dats all..

nora544: Jews Do Not Tithe Today

Thankfully, Jewish theologians know better than their Christian counterparts. They are well aware that only Levites have the right to receive tithe of the people. After all, the Jewish leaders have the Old Testament as their Scripture and that’s what it commands. And since there is no Temple in existence (and consequently no ordained Levites or Priests serving in a Temple), then a major factor in fulfilling the laws of tithing does not exist in our modern world.

In regard to this, it may be profitable to relate an event that happened to me over thirty–five years ago when I was just starting to study theology in college. A letter had been given to me for answering. It was from a woman who heard that modern Jews were not tithing. She wanted to know whether the information was true, and if so, why the Jews seemingly violated the plain laws of the Bible which spoke of tithing as a law to be obeyed?

Having read the letter, I began to share her concern. To resolve the matter I telephoned three rabbis in the Los Angeles area for their explanation. Much to my dismay, all three independently of each other informed me that no religious Jew should tithe today. I was startled at their replies. This appeared to be evidence that the Jews were so lax with their biblical interpretation that they were abandoning even the simple words of their own Scripture about the laws of tithing.

By the time I spoke with the last rabbi, my youthful indignation was beginning to emerge. But that rabbi then wisely began to show me my ignorance (not his) in the whole matter. First, he admitted that none of his congregation paid one penny of tithe that was demanded in the Old Testament. He then said: "If any member of my synagogue paid tithe in the scriptural manner, he would be disobeying the law of God—he would be sinning against God."

I was staggered by his answer. He went on to inform me that since the Bible demands that the tithe be paid to Levites, he said it would be wrong to pay it to anyone else. And further, because there is presently no official Levitical order of Priests ministering at a Temple in Jerusalem, this makes it illegal at this period to pay any biblical tithe. He went on to say, however, that the moment a Temple is rebuilt, with its altar in operation and with the priesthood officiating at that altar (and the Levites there to assist them), then every Jew who lives in the tithing zones mentioned in the Bible will be required to tithe according to the biblical commands.

This teaching was a revelation to me (as it may be to some of our readers), but the rabbi gave the proper biblical answers. To pay the biblical tithe at this time, without Levites and Priests in their regular ordained offices and doing service in the Temple, would be "sin" both to the giver and the receiver. The rabbi told me: "If we are to obey the law, we cannot pay tithe unless we pay it to the ones ordained by God to accept that tithe."

The rabbi explained that though he was the chief rabbi of his synagogue, he was not a Levite. He said he was descended from the tribe of Judah and was thereby not eligible to receive tithe. The same disqualification applied even to Christ Jesus while he was on earth since he was also reckoned as having come from the tribe of Judah. This same restriction was applicable to the activities of the apostle Peter (because he was as well from Judah) and it applied to the apostle Paul (because he was from the tribe of Benjamin). Neither Christ nor those apostles were Levites so they were all disqualified from receiving any part of the biblical tithe. It is just that simple.

And listen, if Christ, Peter and Paul did not use the biblical tithe for any of their work in teaching the Gospel, Christian ministers today should not use the biblical tithe either. The Jewish religious authorities are wise enough to read what the Word of God states about the tithe and, thankfully, they abide by it. But our Gentile preachers and priests care very little what the biblical texts actually state and go merrily on their way by devising their own laws of tithing which are different from those of the Bible.

The rabbi then gave me some information on the method that many Jews use today to secure adequate funds with which to operate their religious organizations. He went on to say that the activities of his synagogue were financially supported through the adoption of the "patron system" by its members. That is, families would buy seats in the synagogue for various prices each year. The rabbi mentioned that many of his congregation actually paid more than a tenth of their income to get better seats in the synagogue. This method for raising funds is perfectly proper (from the biblical point of view) if Jews wish to use it. This is because the money is paid to the synagogue and not to an ordained Levitical priesthood.

The final rabbi was correctly interpreting the teaching of the Holy Scripture. While many Christian ministers today teach that Christians may be in danger of missing salvation itself if they do not pay tithe to the church, Jewish rabbis know better than to say such a thing. They realize that it is biblically improper (actually, it is a blatant disobedience to the laws of the Bible) for anyone to pay or to receive the biblical tithe today. And any minister or ecclesiastical leader who uses the biblical tithe (or any one who pays to a minister the biblical tithe) is a sinner in the eyes of God.

Goshen360: I fast G3522 twice G1364 in the week, G4521 I give tithes G586 of all G3956 that G3745 I possess. G2932 - Luke 18:12

The word, 'possess' in the Greek is the Greek numbering style (for word study) # G2932. It is the word, ktaomai, a verb (an action word) and it means, to acquire, get, or procure a thing for one's self, to possess, to marry a wife.

For reference to Online Concordance, find it here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2932&t=KJV

It never meant or included 'income' as some will have us believe. Of all that I possess - YOUR WIFE or HUSBAND inclusive, do you tithe your wife or husband. Ah, I forgot, another one said, "he tithe his prayer, time, studying the word etc". I'm very sure he tithe his bathing too.

And the word tithe in that verse is the Greek word, apodekatoō, also a verb and it means, to give, pay a tithe of anything; to exact receive a tenth from anyone.

Therefore, put these two word meanings back into the context or verse and it reads thus:

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes give, pay a tithe of anything; exact receive a tenth from anyone of all that I possess acquire, get, or procure for myself, possess, a wife.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=18&v=12&t=KJV&ss=0#s=991012

Glory to God!!!

Goshen360: I didn't see it ooo. Email me directly naw.

christemmbassey: Mathew 23:13-23 woe unto you joe and image123, hypopocrites, for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men.........14woe unto you joe and image123, hypocrites, for ye DEVOUR WIDOW HOUSES and for pretence make long prayer.......15. Woe unto you joe and image123, hypocrites, for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of HELL than yourselves. 16. Woe unto you, yeblind guides, ..... 17. Ye fools and blind,...., 23 Woe unto you,joeagbaje and Bidam, image123, hypocrites, "woe unto you, Joeagbaje and Image123, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of N and $ and £ and have omitted the weightier matter of the law.....24. Ye blind guides, which strain out a gnat and swallow a CAMEL. 25. Woe unto you, joe, image, Bidam, Ola, Alwaystrue, hypocrites, for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the plater, but WITHIN THEY ARE FULL OF EXTORTION AND EXCESSES.... .. I like this latest translation o, Goshen what do u think? .

Pastor Kun: Barawo kindly show us scriptures that states that anyone who earns income should tithe.

Kevin Ashikeni: Ok, let's go there one more time..
www.lighthouseprophecy.com/prophecy/ExposingTheTitheLie.html

JIL: With all due respect, I don't need someone like you to furnish me with information regarding tithes and offering. I have the word of God and the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.

Why is it that only the tithing ordinance among all the 613 laws of the old testament that people like you are keen to keep harping on?

I won't waste my time to begin to quote scriptures for you. It is an exercise in futility to argue with someone who benefits from this.

Where is it stated in the new testament that tithing is a spiritual principle that God has given as a means of meeting the financial needs of the church? Check the new testament and you would discover that it deals with almost every subject pertaining to good Christian living but there is no where believers where directed to pay tithes.

The gospel truth is that proponents of modern tithing don't trust God enough to supply the financial needs of the church without the need to coerce people to tithe.


Did the early church tithe? Was the early church financed through tithing? When was the tithing ordinance added as a Christian principle?

Search diligently for the answers to the above questions and you will discover the truth staring at you in the face.

Please don't play on the intelligence of some and the fears of others by making a sweeping statement without backing it up with scriptures.

I am not in the habit of calling others rogues or thieves but from the look of things I may be inclined to start with you.

JIL: With all due respect, I don't need someone like you to furnish me with information regarding tithes and offering. I have the word of God and the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.

Why is it that only the tithing ordinance among all the 613 laws of the old testament that people like you are keen to keep harping on?

I won't waste my time to begin to quote scriptures for you. It is an exercise in futility to argue with someone who benefits from this.

Where is it stated in the new testament that tithing is a spiritual principle that God has given as a means of meeting the financial needs of the church? Check the new testament and you would discover that it deals with almost every subject pertaining to good Christian living but there is no where believers where directed to pay tithes.

The gospel truth is that proponents of modern tithing don't trust God enough to supply the financial needs of the church without the need to coerce people to tithe.


Did the early church tithe? Was the early church financed through tithing? When was the tithing ordinance added as a Christian principle?

Search diligently for the answers to the above questions and you will discover the truth staring at you in the face.

Please don't play on the intelligence of some and the fears of others by making a sweeping statement without backing it up with scriptures.

I am not in the habit of calling others rogues or thieves but from the look of things I may be inclined to start with you.

frosbel: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver" - 2 Corinthians 9:7

"Tell the Israelites to bring me an offering. You are to receive the offering for me from each man whose heart prompts him to give." - Exodus 25:2

" For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have." - 2 Corinthians 8:12

" But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do will be spontaneous and not forced." - Philemon 1:14

^^^

I doubt if false teachers and their followers will interpret the beautiful scriptures above correctly , perhaps they might twist them to their own destruction.

It is a known fact that people give more and cheerfully so when there is no coercion involved.

God wants sincererity , if we give 1% fine, 100% fine, even 0.0001% is okay, if it is done cheerfully , this is what God prefers.

In fact God will accept 1% from a non-grudging heart than 100% from a grudging heart.

Now, if we quickly read 2 Corinthians 8:12 as quoted above, Paul explicitly explains to the Corinthians to give according to what they have and not what they do not have.

Yet , charlatans and their followers force widows, orphans and the poor to tithe 10% of their meager income plus offerings on top, when it is well known that this is to the detriment of their feeding and shelter.

Shame on them.

Joagbaje: All these will soon end in tithing .

Goshen360: @ DrummerBoy,

Keep the good work, I ENDORSE it any day, anytime according to the Grace given unto me.

christemmbassey: my dear broda, our duty here is nt for d tithe collectors (pro tithe) but for d sincere and innocent believers who have been in bondage by these hirelings. So pls we need clear headed, sincere and honest believer like u for this war against the enemies within. I don't how u normally feel when a believer is delivered from the tithe profanity, for me, i feel liberated over and over again. Remain blessed.

christemmbassey: d only sensible thing u've said on this thread. Yes he needs prayer never to go back to the BONDAGE OF TITHE. God bless.

Pastor Kun: I am not into church business oh!