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I dont know her also.

Father Lord, I pray that you will touch Bisi Olofinyo by letting divine health be manifest in her life in Jesus' name. Above that Lord, let your divine will be done in her life; this I pray in Jesus name.

pilgrim.1:
@cold,

Please don't be disturbed or over-react by the silly things you read from these fellows.

We have argued endlessly about the same things you highlighted: some of the threads have been deleted; others locked; and yet others marked out as no-go areas. So, there's nothing new about these debates.

One can understand why the few muslims you see in the Christian childboard are only showing that they are not satisfied with their Islamic/Muslim childboard - which is a very, very good sign. . . because we can show them the truth they deny, shower love upon them, and constantly invite them to reason and enjoy the fellowship that they so miss in their own section. If they were satisfied with Islam, they would not be here. So let them come over and keep coming to prove their disatisfaction in their own quarters.
Cheers.

Exactly

I stand in agreement with FifiO, pilgrim1 and Kola Oloye with regards to Bisi Olofinyo in the mighty name of Jesus

How is Pastor Amslem and Sister Connie these days? Is he still a deliverance minister?
He used to be in charge of deliverance in church in those days

When a man is trying desperately to prove things and make others see things from his point of view, he is either wrong or he has misplaced priorities.

This thread is not about arguing things.

It seems some people are so miserable that they spend their time chasing what others believe. If you have a proper focus and direction in life, you wont be running after people who are going in other directions.

I attended a church recently (Free Church of Scotland), it's a pentecostal church but there was no preaching/praying about offerings and there was no time set aside for offerings. There was a box outside into which anyone could at anytime before, during or after the service put any offering if they felt giving offering/tithes.

I was very impressed with that system.

The sermon was about living for Christ and appreciating God's creation

I dont shout when I pray because I dont feel I have the need to. I have been known to pray loud before but I dont think prayer is about whether or not we shout.

I pray a lot of times while sitting and working without necessarily uttering out my prayers.

huxley,

I have decided not to read through your write up because I take your first line as one with which you chose to insult me. It could be that that is not your intention but it does read very insulting to me.

You'll be better off getting a life

olabowale:
But humans have existed , successfully, from the union of two people, Adam and his mate Eve! Thats wa avery very long time before Jesus can on the scene of mankind! In the time of Noah, as an example, many were perished and only those who survided along with Noah repopulated the earth! What role did Jesus place in the destruction of the many and the salvation of the very few that were saved under Noah? Zero!

And in the destructon of Pharaoh, did Jesus play any role? Was Jesus known at that time? No! And in that safe passage of Moses and the children of Israel through the sea, did Jesus entered into the equation? Again, no!

But even Jesus him was reported to have escape to Egypt at some point before the Bible reported that he was finally murdered! How is it possible that he is a giver of life, when he can not even preserve his own? You this guy, you need to reconstitute your thinking!

The above is nothing but an absolute display of ignorance concerning the person and personality of Jesus.

Science is not supposed to have an answer and then work towards the answer. I am not a scientist but I believe that is not the ideal way for science to go. Science should be about finding answers through investigations, not investigating in order to arrive at a pre-determined outcome.

This is like a policeman who has already determined guilt of a culprit and then finding anything that may help to butress his conclusion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7604293.stm

Scientists have hailed a successful switch-on for an enormous experiment which will recreate the conditions a few moments after the Big Bang.

They have now fired two beams of particles called protons around the 27km-long tunnel which houses the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

The £5bn machine on the Swiss-French border is designed to smash protons together with cataclysmic force.

Scientists hope it will shed light on fundamental questions in physics.

The first - clockwise - beam completed its first circuit of the underground tunnel at just before 0930 BST. The second - anti-clockwise - beam successfully circled the ring after 1400 BST.

So far, all the beams have been stopped, or "dumped", after just a few circuits.

On Thursday, engineers hoped to inject clockwise and anti-clockwise protons again, but this time they plan to "close the orbit", letting the beams run continuously for a few seconds each.

The BBC understands that low-energy collisions could happen in the next few days. This will allow engineers to calibrate instruments, but will not produce data of scientific interest.

"There it is," project leader Lyn Evans said when the beam completed its lap. There were cheers in the control room when engineers heard of the successful test.

He added later: "We had a very smooth start-up."
The LHC is arguably the most complicated and ambitious experiment ever built; the project has been hit by cost overruns, equipment trouble and construction problems. The switch-on itself is two years late.

The collider is operated by the European Organization for Nuclear Research - better known by its French acronym Cern.

The vast circular tunnel - or "ring" - which runs under the French-Swiss border contains more than 1,000 cylindrical magnets arranged end-to-end.

The magnets are there to steer the beam around this vast circuit.

Eventually, two proton beams will be steered in opposite directions around the LHC at close to the speed of light, completing about 11,000 laps each second.

At allotted points around the tunnel, the beams will cross paths, smashing together near four massive "detectors" that monitor the collisions for interesting events.

Scientists are hoping that new sub-atomic particles will emerge, revealing fundamental insights into the nature of the cosmos.

Major effort

"We will be able to see deeper into matter than ever before," said Dr Tara Shears, a particle physicist at the University of Liverpool.

"We will be looking at what the Universe was made of billionths of a second after the Big Bang. That is amazing, that really is fantastic."

The LHC should answer one very simple question: What is mass? LHC DETECTORS

"We know the answer will be found at the LHC," said Jim Virdee, a particle physicist at Imperial College London.

The favoured model involves a particle called the Higgs boson - dubbed the "God Particle". According to the theory, particles acquire their mass through interactions with an all-pervading field carried by the Higgs.

The latest astronomical observations suggest ordinary matter - such as the galaxies, gas, stars and planets - makes up just 4% of the Universe.

The rest is dark matter (23%) and dark energy (73%). Physicists think the LHC could provide clues about the nature of this mysterious "stuff".

But Professor Virdee told BBC News: "Nature can surprise us, we have to be ready to detect anything it throws at us."

Full beam ahead

Engineers injected the first low-intensity proton beams into the LHC in August. But they did not go all the way around the ring.

Technicians had to be on the lookout for potential problems.

Steve Myers, head of the accelerator and beam department, said: "There are on the order of 2,000 magnetic circuits in the machine. This means there are 2,000 power supplies which generate the current which flows in the coils of the magnets."

If there was a fault with any of these, he said, it would have stopped the beams. They were also wary of obstacles in the beam pipe which could prevent the protons from completing their first circuit.

Mr Myers has experience of the latter problem. While working on the LHC's predecessor, a machine called the Large-Electron Positron Collider, engineers found two beer bottles wedged into the beam pipe - a deliberate, one-off act of sabotage.

The culprits - who were drinking a particular brand that advertising once claimed would "refresh the parts other beers cannot reach" - were never found.

In order to get both beams to circulate continuously, engineers will "close the orbit". The beams themselves are made up of several "packets" - each about a metre long - containing billions of protons.

The protons would disperse if left to their own devices, so engineers use electrical forces to "grab" them, keeping the particles tightly huddled in packets.

Once the beams are captured, the same system of electrical forces is used to give the particles an energetic kick, accelerating them to greater and greater speeds.

Long haul

The idea of the Large Hadron Collider emerged in the early 1980s. The project was eventually approved in 1996 at a cost of 2.6bn Swiss Francs, which amounts to about £1.3bn at present exchange rates.

However, Cern underestimated equipment and engineering costs when it set out its original budget, plunging the lab into a cash crisis.

Cern had to borrow hundreds of millions of euros in bank loans to get the LHC completed. The current price is nearly four times that originally envisaged.

During winter, the LHC will be shut down, allowing equipment to be fine-tuned for collisions at full energy.

"What's so exciting is that we haven't had a large new facility starting up for years," explained Dr Shears.

"Our experiments are so huge, so complex and so expensive that they don't come along very often. When they do, we get all the physics out of them that we can."

Engineers celebrated the success with champagne, but a certain brand of beer was not on the menu.

@ What then does it mean to be saved if you'll end up in hell?

Please read the bible.

You cannot work for salvation. You believe and confess to get to heaven. Check the story of the robbers who were killed when Jesus was crucified. God imputed righteuosness upon Abraham because he had faith. His faith was counted for righteousness.

I did not vote before but I have voted NO because there is absolute no proof that the man is fake. Even if we dont agree with what he's doing, that does not necessarily make him a phoney pastor

Why do these clowns always think that they can make people believe whatever they come up with in their unrenewed minds?

It's a terrible case

I think Pastor Poju is a man after God's heart

This should be based on how the person has conducted him/herself on the board. Besides, it doesn't necessarily have to be a permanent thing so as to provide checks and balances.

Kobojunkie:
I agree. What I mean is I would rather see people who have actually DONE SOMETHING come in to tell me of how patriotic they have been by their actions and the visible changes results. Not continue to have people try to tell me how everyone else is unpatriotic for speaking out against the problems in the country, yet they have nothing to show of why they feel they are suddenly judge of what or who is to be deemed patriotic and who does not qualify.

A problem in Nigeria is that the situation is so bad that small changes rarely yield much because of the way the system continues to exist. You go in to donate money or fix a road today; tomorrow it is bad the way it was before the fix, why? Because the system, and the people work against those who work to change things in that country. You go in to donate computers to school today, tomorrow they are gone. Are you being patriotic then, when you know the machines will be gone with the wind by the next day, but choose to continue donating computers instead of instead changing plans to tackle the main problem which is security? Are you more patriotic if you choose to continue rebuilding roads that each year, come rainy season, will be reduced to portholes and death traps due to lack of good drainage systems? There is patriotism and there is stupidity ooo…

That is exactly where the problem is.

If we keep talking about government without examine ourselves as individuals, we are just chasing shadows. This is because those who get into government are chosen from among us and if we are bad those we chose will be bad.

I have seen a lot of so-called young, new generation politicians and all they do is to help themselves to public funds because it is what society expects them to do. Society needs to change attitudes and then we can demand that those who lead us have the right attitude as well.

The patriotism thing is not something that can be measured so it's best not to look in terms of patriotism but in terms of action and attitudes

@BigB, what
Nigerians will be displaying absolute idiocy if we were to have a man like Babandigger as leader again. A man who proved his horrific leadership attributes by leading us down a path from which we are yet to recover is the man you claim to be right man? Please tell me you're just joking.

When a man falls into a gutter one day, it will be a mistake but if he falls into the very same gutter the next day, he has to be considered either blind or stupid.

@skyblue, no problems. I'll try and make myself clearer in future

Kobojunkie:
If you truly believe what you have posted above, then why do you blame the situation with the less fortunate on the economy, and not the actions of the looters in the country? I mean a normal situation, would mean the gap is not as wide but since you state above that an abnormal state exists, and you follow it with the word “looters”, that there should point you to the fact that the economy itself is not to blame but the fact that we have “Looters” in the loop. And these looters happen to exist because of the state of government in the country. Remove the looters and the economy is highly likely to fall to normal state. How do you remove the looters? Deal with the factor that continues to allow their existence in the loop. And what factor will that be? Government.

Corruption exists at all levels because we continue to exist in a next to lawless society. If a nation is built on lawlessness, patriotic citizens are those who continue to exploit that situation. You change the rules, and then we talk of patriotism, else, it is all mouth service that makes no sense at the end of the day.

My point all along, in plain English, has been that the problem with Nigeria is not just a small group of people but vast numbers of people called Nigerians. The so-called government is people by Nigerians. If the present crop of leaders were all to vanish from the surface of the earth, Nigeria will still not change in the main. We'll just get a different set of looters becoming what you call, GOVERNMENT.

Problem is with Nigerians; Nigerians make up the Nigerian government. It is Nigerians who hail those who have corruptly enriched themselves. It is Nigerians who encourage (and sometimes coerce) their friends and relatives to loot when they have attained a public office. To put blame on successive government is to deny the truth that we have an inherent problem with our psyche.

Why do we have Nigerians hailing frausters? Why do Nigerian masses always defend known fraudsters? How many youngsters in Nigeria now see 419 as a legitimate business?

Have we made any sacrifices with regards to ensuring that we have the right people occupying political office?

Sky Blue:
Now this is what i don't get, if according to your postulation those who hold the interest of their ethnic groups way above the interest of the country are in the minority then you are saying "patriotic Nigerians" are in the majority, right? So what sort of patriotism do Nigerians practise that only goes as far as speaking without any genuine or substantial actions or culture of such being displayed? If you agree that genuine patriotism leads one to act patriotic then shouldn't Nigeria be in a different situation as opposed to the precipice it seems to continually face? Just read today about the rumours of an alleged coup that is flying around everywhere. So this patriotism, when is it going to start bearing fruit as opposed to the so called "patriots" being hearers but not doers?

Let's not get anything twisted.
You said I concluded that Nigerians are patriotic - I did not.
Now you claim you are trying to postulate that I inferred that patriotic Nigerians are in the majority - I did not make any such postulation

The experienced ones in this field have given you enough advice.

Sky Blue:
well, considering that this issue of tribalism isn't some insignificant annoying fly but quite a noticeable obstacle, how did you then come to the conclusion that "Nigerians are patriotic" ?

I dont know if I have concluded that Nigerians are patriotic but I know that some Nigerians are proud to be Nigerians, including me. Besides, my belief is that the tribalistic ones are not in the majority

Kobojunkie:
Actually, the Nigerian economy has been recorded to be in good shape for over a decade now. Only that the good never seems to trickle down to the man on the street. I am not certain it has anything to do with the state of the economy but the state of government in that country. With the high cost of oil, we are supposed to be reaping benefits but to this day, because of problems with government, the increase is still not visible. I am sorry but we have been evading this problem for as long as I have been a Nigerian. We need to deal with the problem of government once and for all. Despite tribal differences, that is the only way to a solution for all.

Going around saying " I AM A PATRIOTIC NIGERIANS" is not, I repeat, is not going to solve our problem. Not until we start acting in the right way, are we going to see visible changes.

One of the main indices for measure the shape of an economy is the condition of the nationals and the average income per head. If you tell me that the Nigerian economy is in good shape, it means we should not complain.

The Nigerian economy is actually in an abnormal state where there is a wide gulf between the looters and the unfortunate.
The last part in bold is the part I absolutely agree with

Sky Blue:
I don't get that statement. I hope you aren't equating this special "love" that Nigerians seem to have for the country outside Nigeria which surprisingly, internally does not seem to be able to move past ethnic or tribal affiliations. So those who keep on reducing everything to tribalism as has been seen so many times but go outside nigeria and shout "up naija" and show their "national pride", are they patriotic because they practise such outside the country where no one will know the difference between an igbo, yoruba or Nigerian man? Where we all have to be Nigerians? Is that the kind of patriotism you speak of as something worthy of note?

ha ha. We are looking at different aspects of this. Tribalists have personal problems and they need to be counselled. . . that's my opinion

Kobojunkie:
You mean the reason why millions of Nigerians have been suffering hardship for decades now is simply because of the state of the Nigerian economy? Are you sure of this?

Of this, I am sure. I have been in this world long enough to know. I know what Nigeria was like when I was younger in the Gowon days etc

Kobojunkie:
What makes you think that we are not making changes? I mean are we somehow supposed to continue turning a blind eye to crux of the problem in that country for how much longer? How can you expect change when you we do not rally to deal with the MAIN problem? How can success be attained if we somehow feel the way to solve the problem is continue to brush it under the carpet without realizing that the best and only solution, is the one we have yet to try, which is facing the problem head on and finding a lasting solution for the good of all?

Are you saying that Nigeria has/is changing for good at the moment? Are you saying if I go to the ministry of works right now, I wont have to grease palms to do legitimate things?

Kobojunkie:
But more than likely the man who is in office demanding bribes before fetching files is only able to do that because he sees that those over him do it and allow it. Can you seriously tell me you can walk into a police office somewhere in America and be asked to pay “bribe” before the clerk gets a file for you? I mean how long do you think that clerk will last as a clerk at that police office after such?

Is that man in the office and his colleagues/bosses not Nigerians? Are they making sacrifices to help the nation by being that way?

Kobojunkie:
All well and good but until we stand up and deal with the real problems, we are all preaching to the choir here. If you really want to be patriotic, start dealing with the government. If you do not, you are as unpatriotic as the next man or accept that all are patriots no matter what.
It makes no use trying to re-define patriotism because you have issues with people complaining about government in Nigeria. Government is the problem and until one of you actually steps up to deal directly with the problem, no amount of mouth service is going to make anyone a patriot.

I dont have a grouse with anyone criticising the government. However think about how many years we have been criticising successive governments in Nigeria and where has it got us? The problem is with us as a people and that is why no matter the government we have, the result always seems to be the same. We are getting a reflection of ourselves in our successive governments

bawomolo:
does that include ritual killings, slavery and circumcision. it seems Africans refuse to accept change. the dance itself is not a big deal, the enormous cost of the dance in a country that depends on aid is mind boggling. no one is going to sanction the swazi king for the reed dance and his exorbitant birthday celebration. the people that would face the consequence are citizens of a country with an high rate of unemployment and HIV.

Why must Africans accept every kind of change? That's akin to "follow follow" without using our brains. We dont have to accept everything that is practiced by the white man in the name of change. Has the white man ever seen anything good enough in African practices to change to such?

bawomolo:
you definitely haven't read some feminist papers or social conservative articles

I wont read feminist papers. They are not mainstream