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caleboxylic:
Nothing like South south , South east, southwest or North Central in this case.
The only restructuring acceptable to igbo nation is one done along the ethnic line. If you are urhobo, you are free to merge with isoko, itsekiri, izon , or others if they agree. Igbo are free to merge with other ethnic groups around them if they buy the idea too. Nobody should be forced to belong where he doesn't want bc it will bring another agitation in the future.

Finally, this restructuring must be done with an option for a referendum if any group should seek for that in the future or is dead on arrival.
That's my humble opinion.

yes sure, if they so wishes, urhobos are comfortable with their present neighbors , what they are seeking for is resource control, that's what all minority wants.

Kazim88:
It's OK, Biafra is not off topic...

I understood Urhobo and Itsekiri disgust... They had expected the Biafrans to consult them before adding them to the struggle. and that's the way it should.
But
Ijaw identified immediately with the struggle, same as Akwa Ibom, Cross Rivers, Rivers.... Immediately even Anioma which were not part of the 1967 biafra identified..
and trust me you can't differentiate between this ethnic groups

The issue was that the Urhobo, just like the North don't like the Igbos... even the former military governor of Mid-western came out and slam the Igbos (Not IPOB).

But obviously Biafra is the only steadfast struggle.... even after the quit notice was confirmed, people saw Kanu as a prophet, even after the audio of genocide...
Everyone is now seeing the North as Vile, and disgusting... creating more hate and demonizm against the North.

Like I said IPOB have region marked out they are fighting and deing for, willing to lose 44 million naira worth property for, would not give Nigeria peace for, could even insult the president for, even disgrace their tribesman for ...
Only those kind of struggle pull through....


Out of coincidence the North really want them to go, no matter the consequence...

urhobo hate igbo?, were did you hear that from? as for the itsekiri I don't think they will ever buy into the biafra idea, it's just like saying anioma should be included In oduduwa republic, I guess it will be an insult to them, same applies to itsekiri, they don't have any thing in common with igbo and so it will be difficult to align with them, they either form Niger Delta republic with us or go with Yoruba, that's the way the average itsekiri man reason. my issue with most of you is that you term those who don't buy into your idea as enemy.

Urhobo on the other hand don't buy into the biafra idea because they don't want what happened in Nigeria to happen there, so it's either we go for restructuring or each tribe chant their own song, not igbo telling them which country to belong, it's somehow an insult to us.

PDJT:
Nope.
-USSR was "nominally" a union of multiple equal national Soviet republics, run from Moscow as a Federation, just like Nigeria is run from Arewa.

- It's government and economy were highly centralized. ..just like Nigeria today.

-The country was a one-party federation, which is what Nigeria has always been literally, as the party in Abuja runs everything with little or no opposition.

-Please where is the difference?

hmm.. no difference then.

But USSR constitution supports referendum right?

Kazim88:
The south west politicians are not serious about restructuring....
Nobody is serious about it... No one is willing to die or kill for it... it's just lip service....

Even those using breakup to threaten the North for restructuring are not serious.

If the North rejects restructuring today and says Yoruba should vote to stay or leave... you would be shocked that 80% would stay...

Biafrans are willing to die, even kill for their biafra.... Who is willing to die for restructuring

The North are willing to kill for the status quo... willing to kill to retain the presidency... who is fighting for restructuring...

don't want to go off topic, but the issue of biafra would have been nice to some minority if it's been approach diplomatically.

I have my worries and I want the best for my people, same with every urhobo guy you see defending the urhobo nation, we just want the best for our people, now achieving biafra will be impossible without support from other tribe or group, I understand the igbos are been marginalized a lot, same with every minority tribe, we all have somethings in common but the bully alone made me distance myself from any biafra topics.

PDJT:
-I'm following this thread judiciously.

-Please could you state what makes USSR peculiar that it can't be compare to Nigeria?
I. Is it the dangerous deceptive "Unity in Diversity? They had it!
II. Grand corruption? They had it! In fact, Milton Friedman (Late) once said; If you make Soviet Politicians in charge of Sahara desert, there will be scarcity of sand. They were that corrupt. OR
III. Is it the Unity through barrel of gun as seen in Nigeria? They had it, plenty.

-Human societies are literally the same but most failed to see this. But I will give you a chance to answer by question above. Thanks.

USSR were somehow In a confederation state before the issue of secession came.

in case of size USSR is far larger than Nigeria

Each region in USSR were not dependent on other region, as the case may be in Nigeria, reason you see some region fighting to keep the country united.

so again there are two different cases.

Kazim88:
Those Aboki you see on the street are "commoners" , they from birth pledge their allegiance to the Nobles... (Feudalism)

That's how the North is trying to run Nigeria.
The erroneously see Southern political leaders as Elite and nobles why the rest as commoners (that is the core reason of all the agitations, the south are free thinking republicans, we have no nobles
... enrich the political class those not appease the mass) t

that's why upon all the affliction in the North they can't and will never agitated unless to agitate in the interest of their elite...



But it is certainly geting to that point where the people (south) would rise up against those politicians and the Senate would be forced man up and do the needfull

I also think sw are not serious with the issue of restructuring, as for the northern elite a time will come where they will have no option than to beg for restructuring I hope it won't be too late then.

freshest4live:
Death penalty is not the issue. The Electoral process that allows you spend billions just to become a Governor is useless and must be reformed. If l spend 3 billion naira just to win a LGA election, because it was an investment, l would definitely do my best to recover all while in power and even make gains, hence you have no right to send EFCC after me.

so what's your suggestion?

EasternLeopard:
This one needs proper education


Who makes law.? National Assembly or APC


Restructuring has been rejected what next Efewestern


Efewestern I am waiting for your response


What next since the North has rejected Restructuring at the National Assembly

I don't think so, Kanu is still putting pressure on FG, people are getting tired of this current structure, sooner or later we will discuss a permanent way forward and that will lead to restructuring or everybody goes their way.

to an average urhobo man, secession is the last thing on our mind now, but if they insist on the status quo, we have no option than to align with any group, provided our interest will be protected.

Kazim88:
Suggestion is perfect....
The challenge is an average Northerner is indoctrinated from child to see the a southerner as a Enemy or opposition whom they must be wary off... who they must subdue and rule.

As it is... their root believe is that the South is trying to steal what belong to them... The right to suppress all tribe..

It would take another life time to explain to them that we are one, that they is no North or South, that we bound as one... we must succeed, we must score ...no matter the scorer.. That no one was born to rule over the other, that for everybody to give their best for us to win, everyone must be sure that they is equity and fairness, that they is no tribalism or nepotism... That we are bound by common destiny.

It would also take Angels to teach them too... until then we must accept them, as it is.

And work with what we have.

to be sincere with you I haven't met with any northerners excerpt the aboki in my area who I don't relate to because they don't understand English or pigin very well.

now if what you wrote is true about them, then it's impossible to educate them and it's also waste of time and energy .

THE WAY FORWARD

we should put pressure on our senates from southern part of Nigeria and also those from NC, I believe they too are tired of the current structure of Nigeria.

with this we can secure 3/4 of the Senate vote. what do you think?

EasternLeopard:
To you it is near impossible to divide Nigeria


Is Nigeria stronger than the defunct Soviet Union.?

No sir, but you can't compare Soviet union with Nigeria.
Restructuring is the only way out.

Kazim88:
You think it's about me... or receiving.. am not a northerner .

wait.. You are absolutely correct about the benefits of restructuring... It is the only way to develop Nigeria to compete with other developing countries.. as it we are not even worthy to be call a developing country.

We would be something like British.. which have England, Scotland, Wales... under one country. Although it requires hard work, but Atleast it would create more job since every region would sit up and create value.

That said. but you must understand the North, They are conservatives, feudalist..
they always prefer the status quo.

Emir of Kano has the blue print to save the North from poverty but they would never allow him... they almost dethrone him.

unlike the south that have been adapting to new ways in other to survive and develop.


Now my point.... Let's agree that restructuring is good, What moral justification do you have to force that "good" on people... After they have with clear eyes choosing to opt for the bad option because they are not ready for the better??

Thanks for your matured response.

sorry if I forced my idea of restructuring on others, well let me limit it to my tribe.

Let's be truthful to ourselves, it's near impossible to divide this country, you know it, but we can opt for better option which is restructuring, with this nobody losses anything, my point here is that we should educate the northerners about the benefit of a well restructured Nigeria instead of mocking them, that gat potentials too you know, the average Hausa man is ignorant, only stick to his radio to listen to BBC Hausa, most don't browse and they lack proper information, campaign should be launched in a way that each northerners knows the benefit of restructuring, with this The NASS and Senate gat no option that to restructure Nigeria.

fratermathy:
Yes. They need to know of their own potentials and wealth so that the deep rooted fear that they would be disadvantaged if there is a restructuring would be eliminated.

However, the hate speeches they see everyday may not help matters at all.

Yes exactly, I don't think anybody is poor, we can work things out, but first we should educate them about their potentials as for the hate speeches no Urhobo /itsekiri/ijaw/isoko etc son insult others, those beating the drum of war should know where and where their madness starts and end.

I read the kaduna stuff, smh

fratermathy:
Well said Oniovo. I agree with most of what you wrote. Although I am beginning to lose faith on Nigeria.

the issue here is that so many bigot online, it's almost difficult to reason with people here, the country won't move forward if we continue like this.

The north needs to know that restructuring won't harm them, a program can be initiated by the federal government to help states that can't cope, the north has a lot of mineral resources, Is it food? we need to point out these fact to them so they know they are not disadvantaged in a well restructured Nigeria. I also suggest death penalty to any corrupt government official.

it's difficult to comment on this forum because of the kids here, they always insult people who don't subscribe to their view.

now back to the op, you have been misinformed, restructuring will benefit everybody, not that you won't receive assistant from FG, but the present structure is not working, just imagine your state focusing on agriculture with support from the central government? And with restructuring we will be able to grow our economy and depend less on oil.

No state in Nigeria is poor, we just have leaders with no vision, if we continue with the status quo no state will want to work, because of over dependence on FG , what we re saying is that let's restructure Nigeria in a way so it benefits everyone, I mean south south, north, east and west.

30%-40% tax goes to the federal, with this nobody will be crying of marginalization, from the tax the Central Government might decide to help state with low income and also execute some federal project.

I believe Nigeria shall be great, let's join hand together and demand for what is right, let's restructure the country.

thanks.

iamrealdeji:
Pastor's house,na him go fine pass,my people dey live for poor surrounding,pastor's dress na hin go clean pass,it hard for my people for dem to buy soap,pastor na him dey give respect pass and dey go dey do bad bad bad bad things.
suffer suffer for world,enjoy for heaven,Christians go dey shout........,Muslims go dey yap allahu Akbar,open your eyes o every one,pastor na miliki,imam na gbaladun,pope na enjoyment,Pastor dey for London,Imam dey for mecca,arch bishop dey for Rome,dey go carry all the money and dey go start to yab themselves......... Fela is a prophet indeed my guy. everything he detailed in those lyrics I wrote above and his songs are really happening now,20 years after his death. RIP to Fela,Africa's greatest ever. no musician can be like him again

please the name of the song.. I need it

mrskillz:
In other words you feel superior to and better than someone but you want him to fight along with you in your struggle. So that when you win the fight together you can dominate. Its either u think the person is plain stupid or you are the one displaying unquenchable stupidity

asin.. to think a tribe in Nigeria feel they are better than others is annoying, people are not dumb, I'd rather stay in a country with my fellow itsekiri and ijaw neighbors than a country where they think they are better than me.

I feel for any minority that fall for this scam, I read where he said they consulted urhobo nation, I laugh in swahali, no inch of urhobo land will go with people who feel that re better than us. we are better in a well restructured Nigeria or Niger Delta republic.

Sanchez01:
True. The church rejected my grandfather's but it didn't prevent his children from partying for three days.

The church tool over almost everything and didn't take their leave until he was finally laid to rest. I fear the ancestor's cult, really.

after they buried him, didn't your family continue with the remaining 3days rituals?, if they didn't then the ancestors cult was not done.

I know little about ancestors cult thou

dollytino4real:
anything outside Christian should thrown away. urhobo ovo ovo

so you mean we should forget our root because you re a Christian? like seriously?

Sanchez01:
This post reminds me of the passing of my maternal grandfather in 2006. He was a pure soul who passed on at 120 and was never bedridden for once.

The Anglican church rejected the ancestors cult for him because he was a priest almost all his life.

Besides, is the first breath not called 'enwen esosuo' as opposed to the 'enwen ovo'?

yes must church do reject it, The ancestor cult is seen as an evil sacrifice to them, and it take up to 7 days to complete the rite.

glad people like mathy still promotes the believe of the urhobo people, but don't be surprise most urhobo will ignore this thread because to them if it ain't Christ then it's evil.

seun and lalasticlala do the needful.

fratermathy:
@TonyeBarcanista and Ekinematics:

The only thing that really amazes me about this thread is that it is only non-Ikwerres who are killing themselves here that Ikwerres are Igbo. I believe the Ikwerres should have the final say on this issue.

In Delta, we have the Itsekiri who are undeniably Yoruboid. However, for reasons best known to them, they claim to be Itsekiri and Itsekiri only (even though they acknowledge their Yoruba heritage and their language is deemed a Yoruboid one). The Yorubas don't go around claiming Itsekiri because they respect the opinion of the people. If the Itsekiris should turn around tomorrow and say they are Yorubas, they would be warmly welcomed into Oodua Nation with open arms.

The same thing applies to the Ikwerre. What are the Ikwerre people saying that they are? What is the general consensus on Ikwerre identity based on statements, facts and figures? That is what everyone should listen for and respect. Igbos can create thousands of threads and shout that Ikwerres are Igbos but ONLY the Ikwerre opinion on this is binding and respected.

Last I checked, Ikwerres said they were NOT Igbos! Whatever semblances they bear with Igbo doesn't matter anymore. Their wishes should be respected by all and sundry.

The itsekiri/Yoruba case is one nice example, the ondo dialect is 80% same with itsekiri , ilaje share same culture with itsekiri, same tradition, but itsekiri prefer a new identity which the yorubas accepted , another is urhobo / isoko you won't see urhobo claiming isoko even if we share everything together, we respect their identity. sometimes I do ask people what exactly is the difference between urhobo and isoko?, I understand your language, u bear my name, we share same tradition and believe, but hey they preferred to be identified as isoko, and am okay with that.

Speaking same language and bearing same names doesn't make one a member of your tribe.

Not all ayo are Yoruba
not all Waje are Yoruba
not all Wunmi are Yoruba
not all shola are yoruba
not all Olu are yoruba
not all Efe re urhobo
not all ochuko/otchuko re urhobo
not all Ovie re urhobo

I can go on and on, no need arguing over this issue, if a group says they don't belong to your tribe why forcing them? I really don't get it.

nextprince:
Nothing surprising here.

This head warmer though.

shut up.. the place is no way related to igbo or even have any link with igbo, how you guys drag igbo into every discussion still baffles me.

We need to educate you a little about who detans are.

lol.. na strong waffi mad man he be, he teeth complete, no fear he just one test your liver, you b ofrukpe according to your story.

lol.. lalasticlala come and see story.

dhope001:
Blessed Memory how I wish he knew Christ before his death

those that knew Christ then, how did they better the life of those around them.

life sometimes is not all about Christianity or Islam.

peteregwu:
And people hail him and call him a legend. they have celebrated him and carried series of concert on his behalf. but is it not foolishness to celebrate someone like this? What legacy did he leave for those looking up to him.....Is it to smoke gandi and wear pants everywhere in public? Rubbish!

Do you know who is Fela, please when mentioning the name add respect to it, he stood for justice, truth, that's what the society needs, we have pastors who pretends to be holy but fela is 100000000 times better than them.

oga behave.. people like me so much respect fela. although I don't like his smoking habit

pazienza:
Ofoni are not Urhobos any more than Orogun is Igbo, they are Tirakiri Ijaws with Urhobo maternal links, just as Orogun are Urhobos with Igbo (Ukwuani) maternal links.

Orogun is not igbo stop it please, only few part were influenced by ukwuani dialect which is no way closer to igbo, it's more edoid.

other part of orogun have nothing, I repeat nothing in common with igbo, here you are claiming ukwuani are igbos but on the other hand ofoni are not urhobo, hypocrite.

Why not stick with your igbo matter and leave urhobo out of your delusion, you know nothing about urhobo.

cc:
fratermathy and Sanchez01 .

Sanchez01:
Efe, sorry to burst your bubble; Lagos can't go broke for anything in the world. We are talking about the heart of Nigeria here. This is the problem of the back man, we have this problem because our mind is fixed on importing.

The port at Onne is still there, that of Warri is non functional but I pray they don't fix it anytime soon because the stupìd, ill trained elements we have in Delta state would threaten the FG via the port as what is obtainable with refineries.

True, the success of Lagos is solely not that of a tribe but the bigger truth is that Lagos is the way it is today is because of the SW folks who have judiciously utilised what they and paved way fro baby Ogun to become the industrial hub of the country.

I understand you clearly, but the point am trying to make is that if other port is been attended to, Lagos will be decongested thereby leading to loss of revenue and low VAT.

As for ogun, nothing special about it, just an overflow of Lagos , you can as well tell me y oyo is not as developed as ogun since you claimed SW folks are good at paving way for industrial evolution.

ERockson:
The whole SE can not boast of 2% of the total VAT. I wonder which area they actually contribute to national growth in that region.

what you see in Lagos is not what Yoruba contribute alone, igbo and other tribe made Lagos a huge success.

FG knows what they are doing, they should create port in Warri and PH and see how Lagos becomes broke. instead of mocking SE why not think of way to improve the academic activities of the region I. e by suggesting a port that will be close to the region and see how fast they develop.

MONITZ:
Nd re they much there to warrant being classified as an extension of the Urhobo nation? Thanks for the clarification of my first question anyways...

Yes over 30,000 , ofoni is not the not urhobo village there, we have up to 5 or 6.

most re having issues with there identity as few tend to forget about their root(Urhobo)

TonyeBarcanista:
Exactly why I refused to further engage the dude that first quoted me. I saw it as a bait for Ijaw-Urhobo ebrawl...


We are all minorities but together we are majority group

.

I know how to pick my fight, I won't start any beef with you, ijaw are not my problem, sometimes I do defend ijaw and other minorities on this forum especially when some ondo folks try to underrate the ijo in ondo.

So don't take it like I want to start a fight.

yes we are all minorities and together we are the majority.

MONITZ:
@Fratermathy, ur list is incomplete, how abt Agbarho, Orerokpe, Udu ,Edjeba, Ekpan and Kiagbodo ?These areas re also densely populated by the Urhobo nation too.

I believe that if not for the unwritten agreement among the political gladiators in Delta State, only the Urhobo nation can go the whole hog of deciding who becomes the governor. I know they can also be found in Edo, Ekiti, Ondo, and Plateau states as migrants. Heard there re still indigenous Urhobos in Bayelsa,can anyone with an idea confirm this? Fratgermathy, Efewestern, Sanchez over to u guys..

we have Ofoni people in bayelsa, they are urhobo and also there are isoko community there too..