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history2902:
I think you really need to get educated. You are confusing "Benin Kingdom" with "Benin City". For your information, Edo state is only a small part of Benin Kingdom. Benin City is the capital of the Benin Kingdom (empire). That is why the Oba of Benin is actually called Omo n'Oba n'Edo. I explained all of this earlier, can you read ?

lol.. oniovo biko you win.
yes I can read, but make it not too lengthy .

history2902:
Can you point out the year the indians migrated to england ?
No you can't, but it is still a fact that those indians in england are migrants, right ?
My argument is very simple. Current Edo state was the heart of a country called Benin Empire/Kingdom whose capital was Benin City.
That country was a souvereign country with a standing army, its own flag and so on.
Now how is it logical to now claim that parts of the heart of that country are ijaw-land ?
The fact that some ijaws are resident in Edo-state doesn't in anyway make parts of Edo state to be ijaw-land.
The same way, you have igbo communities in the north, that doesn't make parts of the north to be igbo-land, does it ?
It seems you are merely trying to celebrate the lack of manners of some ijaw who reside in Edo state. Disrespecting your host is not a vertue.

During the creation of Edo state some itsekiris and ijaw communities were carved into Edo state, why some were carve into ondo.. now my issue here is why would you guys say those ijaw communities were migrant?

No doubt bini kingdom ruled Lagos, ondo, Delta at some point in time, but those are past glories, it still doesn't mean ijaw don't have indigenous community in those state.

I hope you get what am saying?

history2902:
Man, take a look at Benin (Edo) history before making stupid threats.
The funny thing is that we Edos welcomed you guys as our brothers and even supported GEJ.
But ofcourse thieves have no honour, they bite the hands which feed them.
Be carefull what you say, don't wake up a sleeping lion.

The issue here is that we have ijaw enclave in Edo and Ondo state, maybe you are confusing Edo state with Binin kingdom, of course not. ijaw don't have any land in Bini Kingdom, but there are ijaw communities in Edo state.

is that too hard to understand?

history2902:
@efewestern,

do you hear yourself speak ?
Do I really need to remind you that Benin (Edo land) was a country with a standing army untill it was defeated by the british ?
Given that fact, how logical is it to call parts of Edo state "ijaw land" ?
Should the indians living in england now carve out the places in which they live as "indian land"
Sincerly, admit it, you are the one who is not making sense.
Your people are indigenous to cross river. And they migrated to other kingdoms.
You can't rewrite history. You can only rewrite rumours.
Benin history is well documented over hundreds of years by european explorers who visited the region.

You need to understand the nature of the Ijaw people, we shouldn't support evil just because we are not member of a particular tribe, am not ijaw to start with, all am saying is that Don't deny the fact that we have ijaw communities in Edo and they don't answer to your Oba.

Please do a little research before arguing, can you point out the year ijaw migrated to Edo and Ondo?

history2902:
Tell me what history you are quoting.
How is it logical to claim without proof that the King of Itsekiri land (I think that is the Olu of Warri) is Edo, and then to claim that however his people are not ? What history are you quoting ?
It seems to me that you guys tried to rewrite the history of the Itsekiri but their King came out to confirm his loyalty to Omo n'Oba Edo and to his ancestors and then you tried to isolate the King from his people.
And look once again, the ijaws in Edo Kingdom are migrants !!!!
The ijaws living in france can't carve out a part of france and say it is part of ijaw land, why would they now carve a part of Edo Kingdom and call it part of ijawland. You people are crazy.

I don't want to argue further, take a trip to ijaw land in Edo and Ondo and tell them they are migrant. I just hate it when you feel you can Dictate to any one.

aljharem:
You have a point but crave out is a no no as far as yorubas are concerned. Ijaws in ondo migrated of recent and they will be chased out

You still don't get it do you?, I was pointing out a fact to you that we all migrated to our present day domain, you claimed ijaw migrated to ondo, yes I quite agree with you, itsekiri migrated to Delta, ilaje migrated to ondo. What matters is did they meet any tribe there?

and I would also love if you point out the year ijaw migrated to ondo, so we can start from there

history2902:
Dude, your lack of historical knowledge is frightening. For your information, before the british ruled over the land space currently referred to as nigeria, there were countires in the stead of nigeria. The status of "migrant" in a state A is to point out that your ancestors were not citizens of A before colonization. You certainly wouldn't expect ijaws living in france to carve out a part of france and claim it is part of "ijaw-land", would you ?
The same goes for Edo land and other lands. The ijaw are indigenous to cross river and that is all. Everybody needs to be educated in history, it would avoid all these meaningless fights.

Now here we go again, What year did ijaw migrated to ondo and Edo?, so ijaw land in Edo belongs to Your people? funny how we reason at times.

This is not a meaningless fight, you are trying to rewrite history that suits you.

history2902:
Once again which history are you quoting ? How does it even make sense that you would claim that "Itsekiri, awori, ilaje, akoko" are "yoruba" ?
For example the land of the Itsikeri doesn't even border the south-west. Historical documents show Lagos as being part of the Benin empire. The only thing all these ethnic groups have in common with the "yoruba" are Benin costums which those calling themselves "yoruba" took from the Benin Empire. Is it time yet for me to point out the fact that Edos have no difficulty understanding "yoruba" dialects, my mother doesn't have any difficulty speaking yoruba and she told me that yoruba is a mild corruption of Edo.

You mean itsekiri land don't border Ondo?, to think You still claim you know history still baffles me, you keep rewriting the history of other tribe here which is bad, I hope more itsekiri will see this and make necessary correction. up till date there are still some independent itsekiri communities that claim they migrated from ijebu, most migrated from ilaje they only adopted a BINI prince.

silentEXPLOSION:
When Albert Einstein met Charlie Chaplin in 1931, Einstein said, "what i admire most about your art, is its universality. You don't speak a word, yet everyone understands you".

"It's true", replied Charlie, "but your fame is even greater. The world admires you, when no one understands you".

nice

Papiikush:
I am tempted to call you a dummy but I realized sometimes love can make a man so blind he wouldn't be able to see a cliff he is about to walk off.

We have all been there...Juat walk away from the relationship already because your fiance is already giving another man head.

men it's not easy to trust such lady.. op use your tongue to count your teeth.

Konquest:
^^^^^^^
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@Efewestern
I'm just seeing this post.

Olorogun was introduced by the
Itsekiris [a subgroup of mainly
Yoruba and some Edo ancestries]
into Urhobo communities that were
part of the trading empire of the Niger
Delta merchant Prince Nana of Itsekiri
or Nana Olomu who had many Urhobo
wives.


Olorogun is derived from Olori Ogun
[Head of Warriors or General]. Chief
Felix Ibru did not introduce the
Olorogun title to his community, but
his community is one that has historical
and trading ties with Itsekiriland.


There is a strong intermarriage between
Itsekiris and Urhobos, so there is an
intermingling of cultures because that
part of Delta State is a melting pot
of cultures.


RMD's father is Urhobo while his
mother is Itsekiri. Prof. Itself Sagay
is Itsekiri with an Urhobo mother, same
too with the publisher of Vanguard,
Chief Sam Amuka-Pemu and a lot more.


Olori is used in Itsekiri language to
connote a head or leader. Olori also
refers to the Queen or wife of the Olu
of Warri just like it is pronounced in
Yorubaland for the wives of Obas.


DNA tests clearly show that Itsekiris
do have Yoruba ancestry.

Just go to Google and type Waphyguy,
It will bring up the YouTube video
of the DNAland DNA test that the
Nigerian of Urhobo ancestry did [he has
an Itsekiri mother]. The test shows that
he has Edoid/Esan and Yoruboid ancestry
and the test is VERY accurate!


This shows that their is a common
thread that connects Urhobos/Itsekiris/
Edos/Yorubas, etc, because they have
become cousins through intermarriage
especially at the core border areas.

Itsekiris, Ilajes, Ikales represent Eastern
Yoruboid groups. Please note also that
in the 1480s, Prince Ginuwa, the first
son of the reigning Oba of Benin left
with 70 of his men who represented
the sons of the Oba's 70 chiefs, on exile
and arrived at Ode-Itsekiri where he was
well received by Lenuwa an Itsekiri of
Ijebu descent and they eventually
settled in the midst of the Itsekiris
and Prince Ginuwa became the first
Olu in the 1480s. They also married
the Itsekiri women they met there, i.e.,
the 70 aides of Prince Ginuwa that
followed him into exile. Ginuwa's
mother was from Ife and was married
to the Oba of Benin so Chief Lenuwa
easily gave him recognition because
of Ginuwa's royal status.


I have studied the very exciting history
of the people of Delta State/Nigeria as
a whole since the 80s and I'm humbled
by the fact that we are closely related

thanks for your submission, but am just hearing this for the first time.. itsekiri don't make use of olorogun so how can we take it from them? yes I know the name has a strong root in Yoruba that's why I created this thread so we can get contributions from people like you.

about the DNA, hmmm lemme do a little research on that.

ophare
fratermathy
Sanchez01

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lol.. funny

lolz so having a relationship with a girl is now an achievement?
Joblessness at work.

lolz so having a relationship with a girl is now an achievement?
Joblessness at work.

fratermathy:
Thanks for speaking like a sane being. Urhobos always regard Aniomas as Igboids, plain and simple. What they call themselves is up to them and we cannot dictate that.

I am glad you want an Igboid Biafra. That is what we have all been saying since. We can be partners (if both sides are willing) in fighting for our own interests. What pains us is that some persons are going about propagating things that can break the little trust minorities have for Igbos.

this isn't a matter of trust.. everybody just want the best for their tribe, your interest shouldn't supersede others interests.

you just need to state why the urhobo nation won't be part of any unholy alliance.. our interest is best protected in Niger Delta as a republic or Nigeria where each region should control their resources.

this is what the urhobo nation need, this is what we will get.

Nobody has monopoly over us.

OrestesDante:
It's PGD bro! Master direct I can't say
By the way which school awards 2.2 for a 2.4 G.P?

was thinking same. glad you asked him

Uchihaitaci:
Did I say they wanted to be part ? I said I wouldn't mind because most ibos like itsekiris I do , and alot of my family do .

Now the thread is about urhobo claiming igbos want them as part of biafra which is say is very false cos on a real no one really likes urhobo

They are usually bitter , vindictive , fetish dudes from my and many peoples experience

I could be wrong but the ones I haven't fall into this stereotype

Itsekiris on the other hand are very civil, nice, warm people .

8 have never read anywhere ipob said in all bodies or articles that urhobo or itsekiris are part of biafra but I said if both tribes did offer I would strongly oppose admission of urhobo but itsekiris would be a dream come true I love them

Actually the itsekiri don't feel anything for igbo, they see igbo same way they see Hausa, The itsekiri man like urhobo treats strangers well, so don't be deceived but their warm welcoming.

PS: I thought you guys claimed you have nothing in common with Yoruba and edo, so what do you have in common with an itsekiri man?

Oh itsekiri are now cool?, interesting.

Olu317:
Let us not over drag this because Ishekiri is Yoruba offshoots. The reason people were not in tune with Yoruba tag at first is that, it was used to identify Odu'a descendants by the Malians traders , other traders of Arab descents and Berbers in the olden days. So, don't be too conservative to denying our other sibling in Ishekiri land access to Odua land. Beside, Ishekiri speaks 70.3% (Ijumu/Okun Yoruba), 71.5% (standard Yoruba), 72.0% (Ijesha), 74.0% ( Ekiti) of Yoruba language. Where do you place such people? You need to read their history, written by their people and you will understand ,where they identify with as far as Nigeria is concerned.

Believe me the itsekiris don't see themselves as Yoruba.. yes they speak similar language with you, bear similar names with you.. but hey that doesn't make them Yoruba. Itsekiri is itsekiri, Yoruba is Yoruba. and I think itsekiri are more connected with ondo (Ilaje) than those from Lagos.

Wow I love the comments here, glad you guys love and respect minorities, Good to know.

cc: onuwaje
frathermathy
Sanchez01
wirinet

Angelyna:
Hi Mr, firstly I think you don't love or trust your wife a bit,
actually you thought you did... A marriage of just 18months? I fear your home will have enough ups and downs. See go and write today's day down, you will be sorry you ever doubted your wife, if I were the wife, I swear I'll make life miserable for you after the confirmation of the paternity... Some of you men are still boys but you jump into marriage. Fine! You saw your wife chat with another guy but to me it doesn't call for doubting the paternity. Those people advising you to chase her out, they're still mama's boy so what advice can they give.... In short I'm vexing right now... Enough said sha... You guys still have a long way to go and more work to do

Mrs matured lady, hope you advice the op on what to do.

it's normal for him to react, why will someone call his wife sweet names, and you expect the man not to react. I don't expect any good advice from ladies, most of you are just the same.

Advice:

The op should just pretend nothing happen till they give birth to the child, after that he should as a matter of urgency do a paternity test without the knowledge of the wife. no time training another mans kid.

op be wise.

chuksanambra:
OP, listen to me very well, if you don't carry out a paternity test on the child when born, you may end up spending your youthful years training another man's child.

If this happens despite the technology around, you'll be the greatest fool of this century.

By the way, hope you guys noticed a pattern on this thread? The ladies are trying to convince him that the foetus is his and pushing him into accepting it.

Truly, these hoes aren't loyal!

believe me most ladies are heartless. why will a married woman keep a male as a "Best Friend " and the ediot got the balls to call another mans wife sweet names.

First of all the lady saw her period on the 16th , normally from on the 16-23rd is usually free, no matter Hw many sex they had she won't get pregnant . I don't know what to say but the op should just wait till the child is delivered then run a test.

lisbonabdulahi:
A big amen. Actually I have been trying my bit. As I speak, neighbours have called me fool, but I do care. For example, I bought a car and she is the one using it, I take public transport to work, to me it is the least I can do for love

Man up.. stop acting like a woman.. Am just angry reading this.

Op I'd advice you man up. stop been too caring, it makes you look like a woman.

Modsenemy:
Although it is very wrong for sm1 to lay hands on a mother

But we need to know ::

What did your mum do?
What type of person is she?

will you keep quiet there.. what nonsense. you don't try this with any of my family member not to talk of my mom.. I'd kill her instantly.. no matter what the woman did she don't deserve such treatment.

old mothers usually have some character that we must all tolerate.

warripekin:
I met this girl back in the day. Everything checked out right with her and I believed I had finally found my lost rib. It started with debt, she claimed she was owing a woman 150k and that the woman was on her neck ,so she pleaded with me to help her pay and without hesitation I wired the money to her. A week later she she posted different hair types on my wassap wall and their prices with the cheapest at 80k. when I asked her what the post meant she said she urgently needs to fix her hair and that she needs like 200k . I objected at first but she started this emotional blackmail thing by saying; Don't u want ur baby to look nice? so after much pressure I wired 180k to her to go get a new set of weavon. A week later,I noticed if I don't call her she won't call me or when she calls we may end up quarrelling. A day came she brought up this idea of starting up a small business so that she won't be asking me money all the time and when I inquired about the business she gave me a bill of 600k. I told her u don't expect me to wire 600k to u just like that. I asked her to explain what the business is all about and if I'm convinced I will give her the money. Then she came up with one story like that about gas supply and the profitability level. After much argument back and forth, I gave her the 600k. Barely a week later she came up with a story about how her ex saw her at the bus stop and collected her phone from her and that she should come to his house and collect her phone . From the direction she was going I knew she wanted me to buy a new phone for her and when I asked what phone do u need to buy she said iPhone 4. Then ipone4 was being sold at about 120k for a new one so without baiting an eye lead, I went into zenith bank and transferred 130k to her . Two weeks later, during easter we were meant to spend the easter together but somehow she just found one excuse to be away from me . when I call her, she wouldn't take my calls but send message later that she will call me which she would never do. A week after easter, she sent me text one night around 1130 pm that she lost her phone I bought like two weeks earlier. In the morning of the following day she called more than twenty times before I finally picked her calls and she was crying on phone ,apologising to me . I asked her to come see me at my office and within 30 minutes she was already troubling my secretary. When we met, I took her to shoprite where I got her a brown new iPhone 5 that was just launched in Nigeria. Well to cut the long short, after I blew over 1.5 million naira on her within a span of 3 months she told me to my face she doesn't love me . I said ok and let her go.

lolz.. gat to quote this... men you were really in love. #mumumatta.. you come go be warri boy again

saaedlee:
I had just 300k in my account;home and abroad. One Sunday, I went to pick my girl for church from their house only to see her carrying water in her head, stood there n made calls so a borehole can be drilled the next day. Ended up spending all the money (300k)the next day for the drilling, tank stand and tank. 2 days later, my car engine knocked n she broke up with me.

lol.. wtf.

SingleDad:
Bro, I am not giving her attention. For the fact i honoured her invitation, was after so many trials. She is married, and i don't wish to get strained.

from the little you put up there I think you still interested in her. bro don't, I repeat don't ever sleep with her, when she is with you just try discussing things about her husband.

if you wish to live long, then run away from her .

Kirigidi:
I'm an Okpe man and we are not trying to divide Urhobo. The URHOBO NATION still remain one and united. Any Okpe person having such divisive agenda is a minority voice. Okpe Agbameni! Urhobo o, Ovuovo!! Urhobomena, Ovuovo!!!

Oniovo biko vuer, no need writing long epistle.. Okpe is urhobo.

fratermathy:
Okpe leaders will never allow Okpe nation leave Urhobo, no matter how much their youths shout about it. The leaders are the one benefitting from the confederation.

Secondly; the average Okpe person will run to Urhobo when in trouble and then deny Urhobo when it is all over. Everything that Okpe is today was because of UPU. UPU helped Okpe in the Sapele land case, the position of Okpe as almost number 1 in Urhobo voice, the location of the defunct Urhobo province in Orerokpe, the creation of Okpe and Sapele LGAs, etc.

Many of them have forgotten so soon. Look at the Isokos that broke off now. Is their isolation in Delta South helping them? Okpeland is far more developed than Isokoland. What has their division of Urhobo nation yielded for them?


In any case, Urhobo ovuovo!!! Urhobos know themselves.

CC: Opharhe

you should stop taking those nitwits serious. Okpe is going no where, every inch belongs to urhobo, how they intend going their separate ways still baffles me.

Okpe is surrounded by uvwie, Agbon, and ughelli, they are at the center of urhobo .. leave those people yaping rubbish. the orodje can't say such.

Okpe is Urhobo.

funshint:
That's how they'll be forming good boy...Home destroyer! Thank your lucky stars I bet u u're really lucky.
That's how I had to cut all contacts with a married woman like that....devil operates in different ways. Hope u've learnt your lesson if not expect a bigger one. From your write up and response it shows you're rude. You really deserve what you got. It's a big insult to the husband for u to do any biz with the wife without an express consent by him. You too will become an husband one day, think about it!

Same thing I was telling my girl. I told her once any of my friend got married I just end all ties with her, and she said that's childish. I might still be your friend but I won't be that close to you. just want to respect your hubby.

Young03:
Why u find person wife go in house
?


Ah ah

he no beat u well

lolz.. some people are just funny..

maybe they think a married lady is just another single lady, believe you me this guy have something with the said woman.

If na me na Otapiapia I go take cut you

candidbabe:
I am covered by the precious blood of Jesus Christ which was shed on the cross of calvary. This thread is not for me. I jump and pass

lolz.. funny shit I just read..

Amarabae:
chief, why do you sound angry? I am neither an ijaw or itsekiri lady.
We learn everyday, you have made your point and I have heard you.
I know that there are ijaws and itsekiri communities in ondo, whose community the oil are located in is the issue here.

madam sorry if I sound angry.. but just wanted to address some issues and how most people attribute everything to ijaw, even the ijaw man won't claim what he don't own.

the LITTLE OIL in ondo is in Ilaje communities, you can search for oil Exploration in ilaje and see things yourself.

Amarabae:
I think that The ijaw land in Ondo have quite some Oil.

and this is coming from someone I thought was enlightened.

First of all only few communities produces oil in ondo, and that's ilaje, ijaw in ondo produces no oil whatsoever. I don't know why you guys hide under the name of ijaw to propagate lies, that was how one said rubbish about itsekiri land.

OR IS ILAJE TRIBE NOW IJAW? .. na wa..

dreamwords:
Western ijaws in Ondo have oil. But afonja people have no drop of oil

please shut up a already, ijaw In ondo don't produce oil, only one LGA that produces oil in ondo and that's ilaje.

most oil field in ilaje is been disputed with itsekiri, and most are offshore ,you don't come online and start deceiving others and yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaje

Lies upon lies. you keep deceiving nobody but yourself.