₦airaland Forum

TonyeBarcanista:
Efe, you owe nobody explanation on the Ijaw/Itsekiri/Urhobo issue.

The OP just want to cause e-war among the tribes; that is his purpose of creating the thread.

The question is, what is HIS INTEREST in this subject when he is neither Ijaw nor Itsekiri nor Urhobo nor even a Deltan (and definitely he isn't from the South south geopolitical zone)?

I saw a lot of crap and misinformation but I won't bother responding because they came from a misinformed and ill-conceived mind.

Our duty is to educate others about the current situation of things in warri , he meant no harm.

most majority tribe derive joy when minorities clash, warri crisis taught ijaw/urhobo/itsekiri a lot of sense. we might engage in word battle on the front page of news paper but never are we going to kill ourselves.

Never!!!!"

njukoo445:
are u tired of lossing here is your finall place add it up and get yours

Are you not tired of scamming people with your lies?

oya vamus

Eastfield1:
I understand the point you made.
but are the Ijaws & Itshekiri ready to accept You claim?
are u willing to accept their own claim.?
Truckpusher.
Robbstark.
aljharem

what claim are you refering to?, everybody knows urhobo land takes a huge part of warri city and urhobo no doubt acknowledge the fact that Itsekiri refers to their kingdom as warri.

so the issue of who owns who have been settled.

some of your point have no bearing as to why itsekiri and urhobos don't buy into the biafra idea..

Let me address some issues raised on your article .

First of all the itsekiris were never at the mercy of ijaw, the crisis cost both itsekiri, ijaw and urhobo a lot and since that crisis no tribe dare bring the issue of war.

And secondly the issue of warri city and warri kingdom.

Warri city: warri city is owned by urhobo/isoko , itsekiri and ijaw with 80% of the city been in urhobo land.

Warri Kingdom: Warri kingdom refers to Itsekiri domain, the itsekiris refers to their land as iwerre or warri, so when the itsekiris say Olu of warri they mean Lord of all itsekiri land. while urhobo ONLY make use of warri when refering to urhobo towns in warri city. don't mix them up.

a little contributions from some of my brothers will make you understand warri a little bit

cc:
onuwaje
asaimagho
frathermathy

was expecting to see Lagos port on the list.
lolz... junk overrated seaport.

slawomir:
some men can't even control their sexual urge at the sight of a beautiful and curvy lady
lust towards the opposite sex is one among the four things that destroy a man easily. the remaining three are greed, pride and anger. my grandfather says the quickest way to die is to continue sleeping with people's wife.
do not call me names or saint. yes I also love sex as a man but I don't go crazy for it.
the body of a woman is overrated. the pleasure men derive from sex is not from the body of a woman. it is as a result of the movement of sperm in our body(pen*s)
that is why immediately a man ejaculate after sexual intercourse then the so called sexy and curvy woman beside him becomes like a wood. he will not feel anything for the woman until a little sperm is restored in the epididemis of his di*ck after some minutes before the sexual urge comes back.

thanks for this.

I really don't know why some men can't keep their eyes of married ladies.

Sagamaje:
Thanks bro

how long have you been married?

Sagamaje:
I am married but still masturbates because my wife is not the sex kind of person. At times I masturbates at night when I feel the urge. I haven't been with another woman since we got married. How can I stop masturbating?

talk to your wife, your are sexually active, nothing wrong here.. just tell her your plight.. make he see tins from your angle.. maybe if you have sex with her 4 times a week the need for masturbation will be no more.

Sanchez01:
So you're really going to tell a Deltan that Efiks and Ibibios have their origin in Israel? Please go and read journals.


Honestly, you are a joke. Tell me, how does an Igbo man look like? Could you be specific as to provide details on certain striking features possessed by the Igbos that is readily found in these folks? What is the difference between Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi and Ambode?


Mr, biko, pack your bags and do some travelling. The Yorubas do kolanuts just as Igbos. Does that make them Igbos as well? Have you been to a typical Yoruba traditional function before? I'm asking because I have.



Unfortunately, you didn't state a thing. Kolanut use in traditional setting is common in every part of the South today and that includes the South West, so please raise other points.

Did you mention 'travel'. Like seriously? Funny.

lolx.. worst shittt av read for a long tym.. he even said ibori looks like igbo, lol.. and Southern minority migrated from Israel.. lol wtf

men am seriously laughing my ass off, all in a bid to lay claim to unrelated minorities.

fratermathy:
See as he stylishly avoided talking about Urhobo/Isoko and went to pitch his tent with Ijaw instead.

The Urhobos/Isokos DO NOT trace their origin to Israel! That is an aberration! Urhobo doesn't derive from any Hebrew bullsh*t. Origin remains the same in all Urhobo polity: we are from Aka. Efiks/Ibibios DO NOT come from Israel or whatever. They have their origin in Southern Cameroun.

Secondly, the Efiks/Ibibios DON'T in any way look like Igbos. In fact, the Ijaws DON'T look like Igbos at all. How do the Igbos even look like to begin with?
GEJ looks like a typical Ijaw person, not Igbo. He even DRESSES the way Ijaws do. Have you ever seen him on red cap? Does he even wear anything that resembles Igbo?


James Ibori doesn't look Igbo too. He doesn't even talk like one to begin with. If you have ever seen an Urhobo speak, you will NEVER mistake him for Igbo to start with.

Presenting of Kolanuts is not unique to Igbo. It is present across AFRICAN ethnicities. Are they now all Igbos just because they present Kola?

There are NO SINGLE SOURCES (I dare you to provide any) that has ever assumed, implied or inferred that any Southern Minority group is Igbo! NONE whatsoever. So don't pull that stunt here unless you are willing to provide sources. In fact, a quarter of Southern Nigeria was under the BENIN EMPIRE ruled by the Oba of Benin and the people were never referred to as Bini people (which would have made more sense).

So your attempt to balkanise ethnicities into a phantom categorisation in order to suit your reductionist stupidity will NOT work here. Even core, die-hard Igbocentric people have NEVER EVER dared to call even the Efiks/Ibibios as Igbos, talk less of the Urhobos, Ijaws, Edos, Ogonis and Ekois.

There are some ideas that shouldn't be let out from the tribalistic part of your brain where "bright ideas" about other people's ethnicities come from. If you should say things like this in public, you may end up being a pariah (assuming the audience are not minorities, else you may be lynched).

you should ignore that one.. he even said itsekiri are related to igbo, see delusion.

look at how he his writing the history of minority to suit his ego, but if same is done to his tribe they'd come here and start wailing.

Zoolezoo:
in that case, all those urhobo settlements that are not in any of the Warri Local Governments can't be considered to be Warri as well.
All those other places I listed are all in Warri South, so they are rightfully Warri.

your logic is flawed.. I think you should visit warri yourself.

80% of warri is urhoboland, now other urhobo communities are fast becoming a city, places like effurun, osubi, ekpan, ebrumede. etc can't mention.

fratermathy:
Leave them. They see only what they want to see. The hate...

I don't see Yorubas running around trying to derail the thread or making a fuss over stupid things. But go through the thread from the very first page and you'll see them doing what they do best.

it's sadening, I really don't know what to call this, maybe insecurity.. some people feel they are the only people in this world, and they must dictate to every other tribe and if you say no to their request you are their number one enemy and you are also an agent of darkness.

I read through the post again trying to fault it, but couldn't find any thin wrong with it..

onuwaje:
ugberikoko (Ugborikoko) is in Uvwie

what do you say about the fact presented by fratermathy?

Also I would love to add to the little he said, 90% of industry / institution in warri are in Urhobo land, although the refinery is extend to itsekiri land, so it's 50/50.

am still looking for where to place ijaw in my ranking, In fact urhoboland is warri city and warri city is urhobo land.

Note I used Warri city, The other part of warri na itseke domain.

onuwaje:
YEA but ur map states its in Urhoboland which means it is owned by the Urhobos..


don't think people like me will just look and pass..


i didn't want to derail the thread that was why i just didn't step on it.


maybe when u create a thread on that issue we wud argue intellectually and factually

fratermathy create another thread let's argue intellectually.. I hope other itsekiris won't come and shout blue murder we I start presenting my fact?

Fearlez:
please shut up!!! If someone rewrites your history and lineage in a brass and ignorant manner in frontf the watching world, such a person should be horsewhipped in a public square for correction

I never insulted you, y the insult, channel your anger else where, I do you no wrong.

TheUmbra:

The same quack who defined the Niger Delta region to comprise just the Urhobos, Ijaws and Itsekiris!

What an emboldened nuisance!

you could have pointed out the error before attacking the op.

before you guys arrived we were all having a nice discussion and I pointed out some errors in his map which he accepted was wrong.

it's obvious you are not again this article ,but against his person.

I would advice fratermathy to limit his articles to Urhobo/isoko and itsekiri, to avoid been attacked by your likes.


Good day.

YorubaMuslims:
Itsekiris is Land-lock

I don't have time for baseless argument.
what ever rocks your boat.

whomee:
Yoruba boys can fine for Africa

this is not the right time to be tribalistic
and Akpewve is not a yoruba name but urhobo.

fratermathy:
Oniovo, the thing tire me too. Almost as if the effort is wasted. This is why I hardly write strictly for Nairaland. You have to beg to have your post taken to the frontpage. What possible reason could there be for not taking a post that promotes the minorities of Nigeria to the frontpage?

every time we do beg them to push meaningful tins to fp. they think they are doing us, just observe the fp topics and see the rubbish why important ones will be crying for attention.

you are not alone, even explorers post still face same issue. seun should know that not everybody are into boobs and celebrity rubish.

seun and lalasticlala you won't push this to fp

but if it's about boobs and Evans it will hit fp. encourage people to write more.. this is fp material.

I beg again.. do the needful.

cc: seun
lalasticlala
afam4ever
all mods.

aljharem:
O.k. I see. If that is the case (empires) then Lagos is part of benin, ondo and co.

Well the ijaws we have in ondo are migrates! !! . I for one know that,

Migrates? lol funny

Every ethnic group migrated from somewhere, itsekiri migrated from Yoruba, urhobo from edo, but that doesn't mean they don't own that land.

I have some ijaw who are ondo indigene. ijaw territory in edo and ondo is surrounded by itsekiri, ilaje and urhobo, how they intend carving those states out will be a big issue.

we will leave that for another day.

Zoolezoo:
Case closed.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4210/35039323270_04cf838b0b_b.jpg

this map is more like linguistic group. (Yoruboid)

No doubt yoruboid extend to SS and NC, but the map is also at fault, the ijaw group in ondo were Map under Yoruba.

what do you think?,

onuwaje:
a book first published 1963

pay close attention


it is nice to argue with people who read and source fr valid materials and not hear says




op and efewestern i salute u

cc macof

from your map it is safe to say itsekiri have been identified as a separate kingdom even before the Name Nigeria was formed.

also do you notice ilaje , some part of ijaw , urhobo and isoko were map under Edo?, meaning some part of Yoruba were consider edo territory,

The ilaje are more of itsekiri than Edo, the colonial masters need their head checked.

aljharem:
don't mind the mumu.

Btw are you Agbahro or uwie

am agbon, but I reside in uvwie and also understand the uvwie dialect of urhobo.

ignore that guy, he wanted to promote falsehood here.

nana228:
No, most of them did not keep their first pregnancy to draw public sympathy, they kept it because they were either not "wise" enough to have an abortion or they had a conscience thing going on. However, pregnancy and having a baby outside wedlock in a society like Nigeria changed them. It is a very difficult position, They saw that the hypocrisy was too much (same people that are anti abortion also shame unmarried moms), they are constantly shamed and it's better not to have another child outside wedlock.

Does it mean that most unmarried girls have not had series of abortions? They are just "wise" enough to have an abortion and not become single moms.

in summary

Doing abortion is the "Wise" thing to do?

hammer6:
See boundary expert.

This is y i laugh Urhobo boyz 4 nairaland.

U dont even know anything about western Ijaw territory.

Continue deceiving urself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itsekiri_people

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijaw_people

the itsekiri no doubt share boundary with Ijaw, but the map I quoted is not correct, Itsekiri is not landlocked like the picture portray, below is what itsekiri land looks like.

[img]https://ogafiblog.files./2017/01/map-niger-delta-021.jpg[/img]

They are bounded to the west by the Atlantic ocean, and to the south by ilaje

if you think am wrong you can please provide proof we are learning, I gat itsekiri native here who can verify your claim (0nu waje)

aljharem:
Even to ivory coast and gambia

my brother I tire.... am not itsekiri, but I don't support nonsense.. the map even lump ilaje and a huge part of itsekiri as Ijaw land, all in a bid to connect with the little ijaw enclave in ondo and edo.

the guy you quoted knows nothing about Niger Deltans.

Nicho118:
the agbarho dialect is the more accepted one.. though agbon and agbarho dialect are very alike.. u can't even see the difference

Okay I agree now, fratermathy is right after all, BTW what do you think about central ughelli dialect, don't you think it's easier to learn too?

onuwaje:
Yea u re correct

The Itsekiris are bordered by the Edo and Ilajes towards the north
Urhobo to the east and ijaws to the south


The atlantic bothers to the west


That map is not correct and i see it as an eye measurement map lol..


Nice write up from.the OP

reason I pointed the error out on time.. before they mistake itseke land for ijaw.. a stitch in time save 9.

hammer6:
How do u separate Itsekiri and Ijaw land?

Are u on drugs? There land is mixed with Ijaw still all the way in Ondo, Lagos upto Ghana.

you are not an ijaw man, you just one come here they cause wahala.

how is itsekiri land intertwined with ijaw land? , are you high?, itsekiri share boundary with ijaw same way she shares boundary with ilaje and urhobo.

itsekiri land belongs to itsekiri people.. don't come here and write rubbish. I don't support nonsense.

I faulted the earlier map because itsekiri land and ilaje land were map under izon, why I think was wrong.

fratermathy:
Agbon and Agbarho dialects are basically the same. No noticeable differences. Besides, Agbarho is the written variety of Urhobo.

There is a little difference, the way they tune their dialects is different from agbon. this is just my little observation..

and yes agbarho is the written standard,

where is seun and lalasticlala self.