₦airaland Forum

Cristalz:
Hey, I got Chamo FC this GW.

Chei . . . three free points.

chinesedoll:
ROFLMAO

Hehehe . . . I like the way you jasi

That's Lord of Ajasa I think.

@NLers
Thanks for flying the flag people. . .
These slangs are part of modern Nigerian culture and music is probably the only way people outside get to hear them.
Be proud, even when sum people call them 'street drivel' . . . those views are not in any way representative of diasporians.

Genuflect:
eldee, me I don refrain to dey exchange words with El Razur when it comes to all these 'Naija Music Industry' yearns. Each to his own jor

Dude . . . you expect me to let him come here an chat B.S about sumn I'm proud of??
The fact that we all know it's bollocks doesn't mean we have to let him get away with it.

Mudley313:
n u say u prefer pidgin n dont even know the word ginger, a regular pidgin slang used way b4 musicians adopted it. u need to pay the city of warri a visit to update on your pidgin vocab if pidgin na really wetin u prefer, as u so proclaim

Warri slangs are beautiful . . . I lived in Benin and Lagos, but Warri and PH guys took it to the next level.

tavarez:
emmm i caught this thread Late but Eldee Ginger your Swagger Simply Means one thing, It means GET HIGH,SMOKE SOMETHING,DRINK UP,"Ginger" Like to Hype ,Enhance,Modify wen dey say Ginger You Swagger ,he means take some thing thatll Hype up your Steps .,Or modify your walk cuz A Lot of Boys in Lagos take Swagger To mean the way u Walk or the way u move  like " Don Jazzy Get Swagger Joo" that kinda thing,

This is the one I was talking about . . . the modify your walk one.
But I didn't want him to start saying I should use calculus to prove how swagger relates to walk.

So because I left the matter you then decided that you had the right to keep spewing drivel??

ElRazur:
How can it be hypocritical when in my original post that appears to have touched your nerve made mention of "what it do"?   Please don't make this a "Us and them" issue. Shall we deal with the issue at hand.

Yeah, Be an Elrazur . . . mix matters just to confuse everyone.
You said you didn't see a link between 'ginger' and 'increase' . . . I said it was hypocritical for you to not to say the same about 'crack' or 'lame' . . . words I've hear you use.

ElRazur:
That is your prerogative, your problem not mine. Next time, perhaps approaching a debate with a more neutral stance is better? I am yet to ridicule anyone like you are saying, but pointing out how a phrase is almost meaningless. But if it rocks your boat, be my guest.
So you agree it is a borrowed word? That is not so hard to say you see.

Neutral stance?? You are yet to ridicule??
'Street-word drivel from imbeciles trying to be cool?' Is that how they say 'hi' where you come from??
I warned you not to let you sentiments get the better part of you . . . see what you made yourself look like.

ElRazur:
So you agree it is a borrowed word? That is not so hard to say you see.

I expect anyone reading my post to have an IQ of at least 70.
When I say it's adapted or Nigerian-ish, I expect you know what that meant.
I'll just assume that you're doing this to be irritating . . . I don't want to put you on the same level as Ofoka.

ElRazur:
Really? Seriously really? Perhaps a true measure is right here - we are having this debate!

Hmmn . . . I'll use a UK-resident that thinks Nigerian slangs are street drivel as my sample space??
You are a very smart man . . . Imperial or UCL??

ElRazur:
It can get tiring bickering back and fourth. You brought MJ into it. I do not get your point any more.

MJ was a trap . . . you fell in smoothly.
I heard you say 'but that's American English' . . . and I just laughed, along with everyone else reading this thread.
In your opinion 'beat it' makes perfect sense, but sumn from Warri/Benin should be outlawed.
You are a joke.

ElRazur:
I recognise those and know what they mean. However, the original phrase is almost meaningless. And while they are generated from cross-language translation I really do not see how "Ginger your swagger" can be said to be in the same league as this. A point you appear to be missing.

'Liver' and 'ginger' in the informal-Nigerian context serve similar purposes.
They are both adapted words. . .same with 'rake/rant', 'aggro/desire for intimacy', 'send/care'  in urban-UK we have 'creps/trainers', 'jam/hang out' . . .adapted words don't have to make sense to you. . . as long as they serve the role of in-house communication between members of the same social group.

Everyone in Warri and Benin knows what that means . . . it's managed to spread round Nigeria, just because sum faceless negro on the internet thinks it's street-drivel doesn't mean poo.

ElRazur:
That is just one funny post. Here, let me show you. I grew up in Nigeria but then I do not understand the meaning of "Ginger your swagger" or how it arrived at the translation you gave. What does that say about the very phrase you are defending?   It goes back to my stance, it is almost meaningless.

I don't care bout how 'ginger' came to mean 'increase' . . . you were trying to defend 'beat it', which is completely meaningless in it's composition too.
But you didn't accuse it of 'damaging English language'.
If it's not clear already . . . you have no point.

ElRazur:
For the record, "what it do" is easier to work out the meaning than "ginger your swagger".

And you felt the need to tell me this because . . .??

ElRazur:
You suck to be honest. Again you making things up in your head and assuming them as my own stance makes you suck.  
Who is making the rules here? From my post, I haven't made any rules or force my view on anyone. If anything, you are the one who seem to come across as to how people should post and what they can say around here etc. Jeez, you suck.

I suck?? that's your argument . . . 'You suck'??
Dude . . . I didn't care about this thread till you came here to say 'street drivel from imbeciles'.
I was supposed to let you seat in your living room and spew fuckery about words that are part of everyday Nigerian culture.

ElRazur:
Before you get in a fit again, here is a little reminder - The phrase is almost meaningless and how you arrived at the translation is just not adding up [Not saying your translation is wrong, but how it was put together to arrive at that is just not clicking]

As I said . . . I don't care bout how 'ginger' became 'increase' just like you don't care bout how 'crack' or 'beat it' were modified.
But just because you don't understand it doesn't mean crap . . . I don't care if you grew up in Okitipupa, you have no right to insult me for modification of English for catchy and effective communication in Nigeria.

ElRazur:
No, will call you Mandy and spank your arse. I hope that makes you feel better.

Damn . . . that's actually not funny

ElRazur:
Last time I checked, it was a public forum.
What do you call a justifiable reason? Gosh, are you me? All these self-ordained missions sucks to be honest. But I guess you work at Dyson and Henry, so it should be expected.

So you've decided to hold on to 'subjectivity' now?? This just keep getting better.
If you're gonna spew fuckery, make sure it's not a topic Eldee is interested in. . .simples.
You know what . . . report to moderator if you feel choked.
Oh yeah, that's me.

ElRazur:
Do you have the latest Dyson hoover, because this quote of yours sucks real hard. How have I attacked Nigerian youths [Something I am part of] I suppose this is your letting your "do as I say because I am Mandy" is getting the better of you? Omo take a chill pill, back away from the pc for a little while. My only criticism so far have been the use of phrase that is almost meaningless, and not any of those things you are claiming. Nah wah o.

You keep repeating yourself when it's obvious that you have a problem with modern Nigerian artists.
Diss them for poor stage control, cool . . . diss them for wack beats, cool . . . diss them for having ugly chics in videos, I don't care . . . but to spew bollocks about use of Nigerian words in videos?? I'm not gonna let you do that.

ElRazur:
"Meaning is almost lost", is not the same as "meaning lost" If the play of word is about showing what can be done to show wit etc, then this particular phrase failed hence why I said the "meaning is almost lost". A good word play is Adis Abeba and I diss a baba that was famously used in a diss song. Now the meaning was never lost on anyone in that.

Oh my dayzzz!!! This is pure 1mol conc desperation.
Is this how low you've gone just to defend the B.S you dropped??
I remember when I quoted this Modenine line on a thread about dissing and you dismissed it as B.S. . .and now it's what you're holding on too??

I consider my job here done . . .

bgees:
Somalia is at war, and all of a sudden K'naan is a gangsta?

It's harder to survive in Mogadishu than Brooklyn . . . FACT!!!
And he said 'mess with my people, it's suicide' . . . that's true for Somalis anywhere.

Besides half the rappers in the US never did nuffin.

Genuflect:
That K'naan verse, I'm speechless. Why you think say Wale dey shout Hold up, Hold up for the end of the song. Lol. Dude couldn't believe his ears. If I was Wale, I woulda featured K'naan on another track on that album

Hehehe . . . Wale even got murked by Lady Gaga

Genuflect:
Ooohh!! I forgot Gucci Mane was on the album. Lol. But you can't deny that Bun B, K'naan and J. Cole outshone him. Or at least their verses were better

They all killed him maynne . . . I was looking forward to a J.Cole battle but he tore him apart.

K'naan is crazy . . . his Somalian swag will kill anyone's track.

You know if you was harder than me, then you'd be lead
And if you had more street cred, then you'd be dead
And I'm Somali so I guess I'm just trying to eat bread
Fucking with my people, well that's called the Heath Ledge(suicide)

They should ban K'naan and J. Cole from people's tracks.
Or maybe they should just sign . . . 'I hereby agree not to murk this track' agreements.

This is just a funny video by sum guy I thought was worth sharing
He is in no way related to Jay-Z or Roc Nation.

I actually do think he's paid by Youtube to do this. . . seeing the way his video tops about three 'Related Videos' lists.

[flash=450,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFeSpPl1Y94&hl=en_GB&fs=1&[/flash]

Genuflect:
Almost, if not all guests on that Attention Deficit album murdered Wale. Just saying

You said that . . . I refuse to comment

J.Cole talks about murdering Wale on his own ish.
http://www.jcolemusic.com/news/j-cole-speaks-shade45



[flash=450,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iQm5APS-Ro&hl=en_GB&fs=1&[/flash]

@topic

'Fine tile'

How can Jazz be growing in Nigeria??
Wasn't Fela one of the best Jazz players around??
Record companies compared him to Miles Davies and the likes.

I don't know too much about Jazz but I'm half-sure that Highlife too was Jazz in it's purest form.

Genuflect:
Naeto C - Yes Boss or YB

I like that one too . . .he's so cool with it too.

ElRazur:
Good for you. My point remains, I am yet to see a link, surely that is not a crime?

Yeah . . . and I'm saying you pointing this out and not that of the Americans is extremely hypocritical.
When we do it . . . it's bad, when they do it . . . it makes the Oxford Advanced learners dictionary with an '[sl]' by the side.

ElRazur:
Really? Again, may be I should post what you want. God forbid [again] I have my own way of posting?  You damn right, I am doing because it is me. Perhaps you should take a step back a little and quit trying to tell me or suggest what I can and can not?

If what you're doing is just a direct effort to ridicule youths of my country who have done no wrong whatsoever, then I do have a right to comment.

ElRazur:
No Ginger is a borrowed word and not urban Nigerian English.

It is a word from English that has long being adapted into pidgin English/informal Nigerian English.
It's been there before Terry G . . . it'll still be used after Terry G.

ElRazur:
Play of words or not, the meaning is not coming across well - something that should not be so in play of words. While I appreciate you may not see anything wrong with it. I just feel it is almost a meaningless phrase, and in the same class as "What it do nigger" et al.

Believe me, it hits perfectly well with most Nigerians. . . wanna hold a poll??
The fact that it doesn't mean anything to you doesn't mean shit . . . 'Beat it' before MJ didn't mean anything to the average Nigerian.
'My liver fail me', 'face me I face you', 'Tear you slap' and many phrases like that mean nothing to non-nigerians.

'What it do' is meaningless to you . . . why?? You didn't grow up in Brooklyn.
People adapt language to share a sense of belonging with their social groups, it serves the purpose perfectly.

ElRazur:
So you are saying there is no rule, but try and then when I point out things I disagree with, you flare up? Kai, I have to ginger my swagger at this rate.

Nah, there are rules . . . but those rules are decided by the majority not you sitting on the internet and trying to tell Nigerians how to speak their own language.
Besides, you base your rules on the dictionary, which is the exact system they oppose.

ElRazur:
I didn't realise you are the defenders of all things Nigerian English. We learn something new everyday. How about you quit trying to tell me what I can and cannot?  

Call me Voltron
As I said, quit being overly critical of these guys without any justifiable reason and I won't disturb you.

ElRazur:
While it may be pidgin, the composition is poor and it makes the meaning almost lost. Surely, it is a poor take on word play, composition etc hence why there is this debate [s]plus the fact that my posts makes you Hot[/s].

As I said before, I'm defending Nigerian youths and their freedom to communicate in whatever language they like.
I don't come here to tell you not to use txtglish do I??

Meaning is lost?? Tell that to the guys that use it in everyday speech.

Aiite . . . let's end this thread once and for all.

You will not get a Grammy for doing a hiphop/R'n'B/pop album . . . except if it gets popular in the US and prolly the UK. . . not my fault deal with it.
If you're not pushing sales of more then 200,000 on the Billboard, forget it.

Now even at that, if you're not launched properly in the US . . . I mean with the whole nine yards, forget it.
So you have to be on the David Lettermans and tour heavily in the US. The chances of them giving the them to people that are not really based in America are as slim as the chances of Sauron getting laid this year.

Now the other route, is to release and album that will be classified as World Music.
Now this has to be as distant from Pop as possible and you need to have a heavy presence of local influences.
All you instruments and sounds must be pointing towards an exotic source.

Still you need to tour the world, and attack the US heavily.
This is harder because you have to actually be critically acclaimed.

I see someone like KSA or Femi Kuti winning it . . . Asa might, but she's a lil bit pop and not big in America.
Her album failed in the aspect of production. . . they almost drowned her voice with guitar sounds.

rapjunkie:
at least u tried . . . . . . . thats all i gat to say. . . 

Hehehe . . . no hating.
It's not my fault that you were not deemed suitable for a respectful hollarization on a piece of musical genius.

@topic
I like 'Baraje'

ElRazur:
Actually, that was a post aimed at Ibkaye's question.

I am yet to see the link between Ginger and the word emphasize et al.

Same way I'm yet to see a link between 'w*nk' and 'masturbation' or 'crack' and 'cocaine'
Different areas adapt English words to suit them . . . it's not a crime.

It's just a word that's been used in Nigeria, before Terry G knew he was going into music.
Language is dynamic . . . especially in informal circles like peer-group discussions, music videos and university hostels.

ElRazur:
Critical? Erm okay, I will post less or post exactly what you want.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be critical, I'm saying you shouldn't trade reason for an attempt to criticize.
You're not doing it for me, you're doing it for you.

ElRazur:
Beat it [/b]was pretty much an American English phrase if memory serves me right [Or could it be from the English saying "beating round the bush"?] . On top of that, it was very easy to understand what it means, say compare to something like[i] Add baby spice ginger to your swagger[/i].

'Ginger' is urban Nigerian English too. . . same way 'Harmattan' is Ghanaian.

'Add baby spice ginger to your swagger' is just a play on words. . . I don't see anything wrong with that.

ElRazur:
While some phrase I have no issues with. Phrases like "what it do" are nothing but bastardizing English and my point is that it sucks to see people picking it up and making use of it. I also stated that I will prefer a more Nigerian oriented pidgin approach than what these meaningless phrases we hear about.

At the end of the day, it's [b]informal English. . .
We own this one, this is where the lecturers don't control . . . it's a blank dictionary, a pragmatic way to communicate.
Why don't you go join the anti-txtglish campaigners and leave Nigerian English alone.
'Ginger your swagga' is pidgin . . . BTW

MsTom:
If Sade, seal or Femi who were nominated could not win the grammy, I doubt if any of the present musicians can.

He was nominated twice. Can you imagine that?

Sade has won three Grammy awards.
Seal has won three too . . .

Krayola:
@javalove. I sent u a request on fb earlier todaay. Abi no be u be "idealist"?

Javalove is a celeb . . . you have to fill three application forms with a passport photograph with with background.
Post in an envelope with a £10 cheque to his address.

Then he'll consider adding you.

Yield:
Thanks. Trying it out with this video. Yaay!

Cool . . . proud of you.
What better song is there to launch with than Struggling??

The realest thing to me is, since I was a foetus
The only break I ever got was at recess

The whole crew had crazy names
We even had a cripple we used to call[b] lazy legs[/b]

ElRazur:
Add ginger to your swagger?

It's actually 'ginger your swagger'

Ginger is just a Nigerian-ish slang for 'emphasize', 'heighten' or 'increase'
So it's more like telling everyone to show-off.

@Topic
It has to be . . .D'banj's 'file . . . don't touch it'

I like Naeto-C's 'Kini big deal' and Tubaba's 'No long thing' too

ElRazur:
You mean do I like Street-word drivel from imbeciles trying to be cool? No. That goes for all American artist who is damaging English language.

I mean, what in the name of Jesus is "What it do"? I am disappointed to see people picking up on this crap and using it as the "in thing". Nah wah o.

I prefer my Nigerian Pidgin than all these crap these people try the unthinking masses to say to be honest.

C'mon stop being overly critical of these guys . . . they're doing what the fans want.
The slangs actually help in putting urban Nigerian culture into music. . . most times it's just words that are already on the streets.

They're putting in catchphrases that are from the streets, same way MJ had 'beat it' . . . I don't hear you saying he committed murder.

ElRazur:
Time to spray pound sterling for this guy now.

Wait . . . let me change my money into £1 coins first

Chei . . . finally person do holla me for song
I wanna send a shout out to my mummy, my daddy, my uncle Uncle Ajanlenujukiniunlo, my Aunty Awonotalemilemilemisugbonwontielerimimu aka Aunty Rosalinda and my teacher in Primary 1, 2, 4 and 5 . . . I wanna winsh them merry Easter and I want them to jamming to this new jamzzz.
Nice one jare . . . we no send them.

Thanks man, you sent a shout out to Ofoka and Flowshow

Who said good music doesn't cut through ethnic/racial barriers??
Well you musta missed the Remix of the Remix with David Bisbal . . . a Spanish chart-topper.

The fusion of the Latin feel with the African vibe comes out perfect.
No faults!!!

[flash=450,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPZDEx-8-Q&hl=en_GB&fs=1&[/flash]

Genuflect:
Omo, thanx for using 4shared jor. Like say you dey read my mind. By the way, somebody just tweeted the notjustok link to the Waving Flag (Naija Mix) ft. Banky W & MI
http://www.notjustok.com/2010/03/19/premiere-knnan-ft-banky-w-m-i-wavin-flag-official-naija-version/

You ROC!!!

Chei . . . I have one big massive Nigerian flag here.
I'm having a nigga-moment screaming loud and waving the flag. . .
I liked the fact that the M.I verse was short . . . I hereby declare Banky the Model Artist of our Generation.

He truly loves Nigeria, not just the celebrity . . . Maga No Need Pay, Umbrella (Naija Mix), ACN song, and now this??
He's belief in the need for National pride just blows me away, raising the spirits of Nigerian youths might be hard, but he's fighting tooth and nail to do it.

You need to see him on Facebook doing what would only be fit for the Politics section here.
I respect him . . . and M.I too.

blackalien:
Still bumping to K'naan's TROUBADOR album. The dude is sick!

I really like the Troubador album, top drawer.

Hehehe . . .but that's old.
Get with the times, K'naan's already done a Fela mixtape.

Genuflect:
I know K'naan but Banky and eLDee was tweeting about Waving Flag (Remix) so I thought it was the same one you were talking about. Anyway, still chilling for the download link

That'll be perfect, a Nigerian feel to the song?? That's nice.
Hope they release it before we're out this time

Here's the download link for the World Cup Version. . . used 4shared jst cus you always talk bout not being able to download from rapidshare.

http://www.4shared.com/file/244719249/c94f5d33/Waving_Flag__Celebration_Mix_.html

Yield:
Eldee, how do you post videos, btw? Did a search and looked in the Help section, but couldn't find how. Thanks. :-)

This link gives a step-by-step illustration.
Tell me if you get stuck.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-162414.32.html#msg3901393

coolguyz:
e reach fight ? okay na. . . . a season after? your blood don cool down nw? long hissssssssssss, pele ooo u wey sabi footie well well. . . alan greenspan of Soccer !

Nah . . .I'll cool down when you stop making stupid correlations.
By your logic Gallas should have moved to Chelsea after Chelsea beat us.
Nasri shoulda moved to Man Utd after they beat us. . . shiorr.

Genuflect:
This is the one Banky and MI are on and produced by eLDee, right? Any download link?

Nah, this is K'naan . . . a Somalian guy.

I've not got a download link, I'd tell you if I get it converted to mp3.

What kind of joke is this??
Mikel V Song?? The same Mikel??

What's he good at exactly?? Defensively Song trashes him.
Play with a defense that attacks all the time like Arsenal and you'll know how good song is.

Going forward, Song is still better.

Mikel is nowhere near Song on any level.
I'd say Mikel V Denilson

Moved To Nairaland Section.