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Krayola:
haha. It's funny how I used to beg our driver to let me roll tires when I was a kid . But no be pant I dey wear sha haha That s.hit used to be fun abeg.

Hehehe . . . abeg drop a verse on behalf on we Ajebutta people.
These pako pple think they're all that.

Imagine Chamo feeling like tapping current was the life.

@DBR

I just checked my mail and saw the M.I songs you sent.
Thanks maynne, I'm sorry if it looked ungrateful, but I swear I didn't see it.

I even saw the mail bout your ban . . . I would have helped if I saw it on time.
Hope say you no vex, you're my guy.

zigbo:
Jay's got a point tho.remakes jst kills d classic, although ilike the new version still,

That's the thing, it doesn't need to be as good as the other one . . . it's more of a tribute to it.
Besides, it with MJ's death, the best thing we could have done for the Haitians was to carry on his legacy of giving and all out dedication to the people in need.

Jay-Z has a point, but his point is heavily influenced by his personal sentiments.

FL Gators:
My gosh, I loff it, I really do.
Slow, peaceful, hmm hmm, loff it.

Eldee, what are you talking about? Why wont it make a song, artist like Clipse, Alicia Keys, and Brandy will def rock this.

No, it might not work for rap, but def for a Jazzy song.

Jazzy song . . . I don't really know bout that.
But contemporary R'n'b and Hiphop . . . nah.

It's not about the beat, it's about the arrangement, we don't hear anything for fifty seconds, then all off a sudden errfin comes in.
Just a lil spreading of sounds, and that'll make a great song regardless of how crap the artiste is.

ElRazur:
Oh by the way, can anyone upload a vocal of them singing or anything, I want to see if I can build a beat round it. I haven't done that before and it should be a good challenge.

Can't wait to see this
I think it'll turn out really good . . .

@A-40

Damn . . . you're the first non-Ajepako story we've seen on this thread.
This is sumn Ajebutas like you and I can relate to . . . people like Ibime grew up running about in panties rolling car tyres

It's nice to listen to as a beat but I don't see how this could make a good song.
Singing on this track will be like a competition between the producer and the artiste.

The space left bland is the beginning and we know that's the place where rappers like to be slow to allow listeners feel the beat.
The middle towards the end almost gets too crowded which I suspect you put in to prevent us from getting bored.
In practice however, crowding a beat with so many sounds might come out bad.


Overall . . . I think you need to be more coordinated or probably stingy with the spread the sounds.

DBR:
Can u pls quote anywhere i said Fan is a synonym of fanatic?
Go over a post dude.
See~the simple Q is this eldee[i]gy[/i],
irrespective of usage and all~~
is FAN an abrreviation of FANATIC or not, very simple o.
answer it, and im done!
oNe

You said that in plain English . . . 'If u say u r a fan of sth, whether u realise it or not u sayin u r Fanatic bout wat u sayin u a fan of!'

Is 'fan' an abbreviation of 'fanatic'?? Not the same way 'Ugo' is an abbreviation of 'Ugochukwu'
They mean two different things in the case of fan/fanatic . . . but are interchangeable in Ugo/Ugochukwu.

chamotex:
Pacquiao cant rap now

Ill pass ill . . . ten Rapmans cannot out-ill Pacman

chamotex:
Terry Da Rapman -

If u went to the Phillipines, u wont see a man iller (Manilla)

He obviously hasn't heard of Manny Pac-man

DBR:
Now H.J[i]izzle[/i], u lost me wit this ^^^^^.
If i got it a lil twisted, u just megally mangled it
Break it down slowly, or lemme do that, ok

Is the emphasy on the the adjective "an"?
that droppings is basic vowel/consonant influenced naauww.

Whether U 1st become a fan b4 u become an addict or be an addict which makes u a fan,
that is a different thang! It's not what is on d burner.

The basic thing is FAN is an abrreviation of FANATIC,
im just sayin being a fan is being fanatic and butressed it by the synonyms of FAN
which had ADDICT and ENTHUSIASM, which are wat being FANATIC is all 'bout. Kapish.

Forget the creative licence street vocab when we droppin barz, i kno small book o
We cool?
oNe

Come on . . . I'm not talking about poetic licence, I'm talking basic everyday usage.
Nah . . . 'fan' and 'fanatic' are distant synonyms just the same way 'anger' and 'exasperation', 'respect and adoration' are.
That line is purrfect in the everyday use of the word. . . a fan in everyday use of the word is less obsessive than a fanatic, and a fanatic is less obsessive than an addict.

When you say sumn like 'I was angry', it does not carry the same emphatic weight as 'I reacted in exasperation'.

The thesarus gives so many words which bear any resemblance to the main word. One of the synonyms of 'tall' in my dictionary is 'giant' . . . does that mean the same thing??

DBR:
Fans is an abbreviation of fanatics nauuwww
It's like sayin u gon turn Ugo to ugochukwu and im like duhhhhh!!
Plus, the other part is coke(cocain) to an addict and not coc
Wat u guys are doin aint fair ooo.
oNe

Nah, you can't exactly say that . . . the modern usage of the word 'fanatic' is different from 'fan'.
You never hear anyone saying, I'm a big 'fanatic' of Nas . . . but you hear them say 'He's a star warz fanatic'

Fanatic is more like an obsessive follower, that's what Rugged was trying to convey.
But I still think the line was weak

I think Terry tha Rapman is probably the most underrated rapper in Nigeria.
He needs to do a Drake and murder Modenine on his own ish.
It doesn't help that he keeps drumming it in our ears that he wants to be next best to Modenine.
He's the one rapper on this thread that has come tight 100% of the posts here.

Genuflect:
Stay fly 'Never Land' like Michael - Lucci

That is dope.

Aiite, I think we need to bring back the worst lines thread, because people want to post lines but can't tell where exactly to place them.

I was kinda dissapointed too.
Da vVinci Mode was a conceptual 'opening of the floodgates' . . . Modenine didn't translate his creative standpoint to the designer.

I was looking for sumn more Da Vinci, a painting pf Modenine at the very least.

Just look at what the movie directors did with this.
https://www.worldsikhnews.com/2%20July%202008/Image/Da_Vinci_Code.jpg

Won't it have been cool to see two alter-egos of Modenine replace the actors??

Or a back cover with a more modern version of this
https://www.starstore.com/acatalog/PP30544_DaVinci_Virtruvi-01.jpg

Overall, I think it's going to be a great album, this will redefine Modenine as y'all know him

FBS:
I laugh in Photoshop.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=400313.msg5583951#msg5583951 date=1267104695]If you like laugh in Maya & Autocad[/quote]

FBS:
I laugh in IBM!

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=400313.msg5584052#msg5584052 date=1267105338]Iinstead of you to laugh in Lenovo[/quote]

FBS:
OK sorry, I laugh in Apple!

You guys ROC!!!!

michelin89:
I call am catch. . .I don't have to treat it like a human!

Yeah I agree with you, Bingo doesn't care about looks

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=375313.msg5581137#msg5581137 date=1267061077]no wonder! and i kept blaming my calabar neighbors[/quote]LMFAO!!!! . . .

michelin89:
Shhhhhhh Dee!!!! Wetin cosign you?

And FYI, there aren't dogs around here.

Hehehe . . . just making an observation.
So what animal did you 'glue' this time??

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=375313.msg5581113#msg5581113 date=1267060719]nice one [/quote]Intel has it that pets are not safe around Miss Michellin.

michelin89:
It's stuck like glue!

You do realise you just used 'it' to refer to your new 'catch', don't you??
Sumn tells me you just trapped you neighbour's dog and you've come to boast on NL.

[quote author=na2day? link=topic=375313.msg5580882#msg5580882 date=1267056794]talk abt pot calling kettle black [/quote]More like coal calling the kettle black

ibkaye:
Lol, Miley Cyrus huh? I like a few of her songs too

Yeah right . . . you probably have her posters on your wall next to that life-size poster of moi.

chic2pimp:

Chris Martin's voice is sick

I watched em perform with Jay-Z this summer. . . Fix You is the best ballad ever.

ibkaye:
LOL @ Jonas Brothers, I like their song, 'Burning Up'

AC/DC? Not as crazy about them though I do like a few of their tracks

C'mon, they're so gay pop music, the should merge with Westlife.

I'm sure you're a closet fan of Miley Cyrus too

MrCrackles:
IBK are you mad?
Must you lift every name on my website

Hehehe . . .

@Ib
You really know your rock music jare.
I saw a thread like this the other day and people were mentioning Linkin Park and Jonas Brothers

BTW
Where's AC/DC on that list??

tubabie:
Dont stress, am up to the task when called out. . . . . . MEND FC called and got what he asked for . . . .

Don't worry, you own this gameweek.
I don't mind losing to you if you beat Ibime. . . I've made five transfers in the past week.
From Lampard's HIV to Tevez' family affairs, I've lost too many points in transfers.

So that's six points behind the league leaders . . . not half bad.

If you've not stepped in yet, you most definitely don't know what you're missing.
Warcraft State of Mind has given us a chance to see top draw rapskillation at it's best.

It's all about streetcred and respect . . . netcees repping their area codes.
Watch out for reflective posts like DBR's ND State of Mind and reminiscence in Mailmalc's Benin verse.

Everyone there is redefining Warcraft . . . it's different from what you've come to know and love.
It is Warcraft State of Mind.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-398532.96.html

Genuflect:
The name of the song is 'Stranded'

Sarcasm my bruva . . .sarcasm

I don't get it . . . why did Tubabie trash MEND FC??

Now looking at the EPL table, I thought Tubabie FC was going to be a major walkover.
I'm playing her next week so I actually thought I was going to beat her with at least ten points.
Made all my transfers already, no going back.

@ElRazur

Are you really going to play a Ghandi on us now??
Check your posts and see who first resorted to insults.

I won't be petty and hold on to minor things like that. . . I've gained useful info from you on this thread and I know most people have too.
But to start sulking because I said dropped a few side-comments (while still going back to the heart of my argument) isn't cool at all.

You should learn a thing or two from Ofoka . . . he prolly has more fun than anyone else on NL.
Whether you like it or not . . . you automatically become my friend after arguing with me, na by force

@topic

I know we've got many problems with Nigerian hiphop, but it's still amazing how the only people commenting have little or no experience in this subject area.
I'm waiting for guys like Tosinadeda, DBR, Sauron, Kaydee, Rapjunkie, Genuflect and Javalove to come attempt to see how we can improve our relatively young industry.
It's a shame that most of these guys are posting based on views that are based on generally wrong misconceptions that people have of Nigerian music.
I'm sure a Rapjunkie or a Javalove is in a better position to discuss this than anyone that thinks Cuzo is rated highly in Nigerian hiphop

ElRazur:
Pfft. Typical debate around here - If you can't beat the point, Get dismissive and when that do not work, throw insult! When all else fail claim ultimate superiority while totally ignoring the matter at hand. Awesome.

Hehehe . . . this is coming from someone that's clutching straws and posting the Google dictionary meanings of words in a debate on hiphop??

Get dismissive?? I have torn apart your posts paragraph by paragraph, while still drawing it back to the main object of discourse (Nigerian hiphop, something you obviously know nothing about) . . . any observer can see that.

ElRazur:
Here is to friends to Eldee and Ofokaofoki.    No need to result to childish way. Grown up and all that. We can always be civil and get point across as grown up.  

I have to give it to you . . . this has been my easiest Nairaland argument
It's all good

ElRazur:
6.
narrow-minded or illiberal; provincial: insular attitudes toward foreigners.

Yet the educated eldee said "You used Timbaland and Kanye, aren't they the most insular producers in America??"

When this was pointed out, he ended up saying something totally different.  .   . Erm. I think am done to be honest.

Nice one Eldee, nice knowing you.

Birds of a feather . . . No wonder you roll with imbecilic cretin like Ofoka.
In a discussion about hiphop beats . . . I said sumn as simple as 'Kanye and Timbaland are insluar.
I still have to break it down to you that Kanye's beats remain the same and are not influenced by other beats??

I don't blame you . . . I pity the people that spent money sending people like you and Ofokasibe to school.
That could have been money used for better things.

So tell me, are you going to look for another straw to clutch or sit down and accept that your dad wasted money sending you to school??
You're a joke!!!

ElRazur:
Again, it sucks that you cannot read an absorb. Refer back to my original post on the issue. My focus is on the aspect of rapper that was touted as one of the best, my comparison was more on production side of things. Again read and absorbs. It helps a lot.

See above.

In that exact post, you were talking about a rapper's themes and lyrical direction and not production. . . hence the use of the phrase 'wanna-be gangsta'.
Cuzo (or whatever his name is) is not rated with the Top 20 in Nigeria . . . ask guys like DBR and Javalove that know sumn about Nigerian hiphop.
I'm happy that at least you're trying to squeeze your way out of the argument . . . at least it's less irritating than watching you play dumb.

ElRazur:
Nigeria Hiphop is inferior to that of the US, any one with half a brain knows that. It is clear, be it production-wise, lyrically speaking etc. American hip hop is superior. Period.

Now you sound like Mamagee and the rest of them.
If you're going to say sumn that conclusive, then at least bring up better points to back it up not cowdung like 'Nigerian producers don't have unique styles'

ElRazur:
When corned you get dismissive again isn't! Man, how do you do it? In a debate, evidences are brought in to support and present a case. I suppose that concept is very alien to you. So far, you are yet to show anything to back up your drivel really.

Again, refer back to my point of how you need to have the ear to appreciate it. It is not a surprise you come across as another average listener. Quite rightly so too.

Your evidence is a couple of youtube videos, my evidence is my diverse music collection. I name the popular tracks I think you can easily get access to, but if you want me to spoonfeed you, I drop links to every song I've mentioned.

Yep . . . all I know about beats is mixing B.S on Antares VST and Mixcraft.
I see music the way the average listener would . . . in law it's called the reasonable man test.

If I can't locate a 'signature style' that's exclusive to a producer and cannot be reproduced then it doesn't exist or very irrelevant at the most in the eyes of the artistes, critics and the general public.

ElRazur:
To your types perhaps it doesn't. Go and work in a studio and let the sound engineer or producer sell the same beat with same sound but different arrangement to you and another artist. Let us see how far before that is noted. No? Suddenly, it start to make sense as to how unique sound can be an advantage. As for quality, how do you think the 808 kick came about? Just in case you are too average to know what an 808 kick is, it is a type of kick developed by Roland in the 80s. I do not need to tell you how it added to the quality of sound we listen to these days.

This is pure drivel . . . if one producer sells two artistes entirely different sounds to two different artistes, there won't be any problem at all.
That's the only way DJ Premier can manage to do two albums as distinct as Chritina's Back To Basics and Nas' Illmatic
That's the only way OJB can manage to produce both Thy Album Come and Face2Face.

Spare me your 808 kick lecture . . . right now is the 808 kick unique to anyone??
That's the question we should be asking . . . not your desperate attempt to show us what you learnt from you Wiki Tutorials.

ElRazur:
You claim having unique sound do not affect hiphop. Yet the following are different and unique due to their unique styles and sound of hiphop - West coast, New Jack swing [popular in the 90s], East coast, Dirty South etc. Funny how these sounds have contributed to hip hop. But you wouldn't know. You sir an average who is too ignorant too know.

Again . . . what's unique about the genres you mentioned.
If they were unique to certain producers they won't be named after regions.

America faced 2-4 years of Southern music dominance pre-HHID . . . what producer owned the signature sound??
Wasn't it the fact that 75% of American producers started making Crunk beats that led to HHID??
For someone who claims to know so much about sound, you know next to nothing about music itself.

ElRazur:
No. Go back and read your own post. You word usage was poor, at least be man enough to admit that. Kanye and Timba have different styles. It is your prerogative, your problem and not mine if you fail to tell them apart.

My word usage was poor?? Don't worry, next time, I'll spell out contextual applications of words.
At least it'll save you from using google dictionaries to analyse posts.

ElRazur:
You really are a borderline slowpoke. You used the wrong word then proceed to be dismissive when corrected. Your usage of insular in the context in which it was used was wrong. No?  Jesus flipping Christ, if your word usage is wrong and you can't even get it right, why should I bother to have a debate with you? Remember you are just another average head around here.

How can my use of 'insular' be wrong when I say it shows that their beats are relatively different from the others??
You are an unrepentant ignoramus. . . get back at me when you stop using Google dictionaries.

ElRazur:
The above sounds more like an opinion to me and not a statement of fact. But then, you are an average listener [again] who may not be able to tell. Over all, you can always tell the work of certain producers - especially those with unique sound over those who aint. How hard is it to understand that?

Opinion?? I'll give you time . . . Listen to Back To Basics and Illmatic and tell me what you think.

Oh sh[i]i[/i]t!!! So now you understand that producers in America are not as 'unique' as you claim??
Tell me, what did it?? Is it the fact that I used DJ Premier and not Timberland??

ElRazur:
Are you even trying to move the goal post? Non-shocker.

I'm not trying to move any goalpost, I'm going back to your first post where you implied that the reason Nigerian producers come across as inferior is because they have no individual signature beats.
Using your logic, the lack of individual 'uniqueness' in a beat reduces the standard of Nigerian hiphop.
Anyone reading this thread already knows how crap your argument is, I just had to remind everyone once again.

ElRazur:
What a load of drivel. Dre beat is unique and his beats are good [In fact, excellent]. You see, there goes your silly claim.

Where in that post did I question the quality of Dre's beats?? Calling you a retard is offensive to people with learning disbilities.
Your argument is Total Flexibility=Crap . . . as I said, I think that's B.S

ElRazur:
Providing proof is an alien concept to you. Get use to it, I am not one of your average you see. What exact truth? That you have dodged the point, use wrong words, post loads of drivel over what? That Nigeria hiphop is inferior to the US, or at best poorly executed? Or is it the fact that no Nigeria producer is yet to have a defining sound or beat? Shame on you for the drivel you posted to be honest.

Providing proof that is irrelevant to the argument is what I consider idiotic.
Most Nigerian produces don't have a recurring signature style does not take anything away from them, it's far better for the industry.

You talk about the big picture in one breath. . . and you're portraying idiosyncratic traits of a simpleton in the next.

ElRazur:
Finally attempting to say I am a college drop out or something along those lines, when you clearly do not know what insular means or the right usage of the word is just at best idiotic.

If you actually finished high school, you are a disgrace to the educational system as a whole.
I actually thought you were playing dumb before . . . how do I explain to anyone that degree holder is too stpid to know that 'insular' means 'not easily influenced by external influences'??

hax:
I think you mean they were all produced by Dre, apart from Beautiful which was by Eminem. It's the other way round.

You just lost a lot of points for saying 'Beautiful' sounded similar to Dre's beats. lol

I used Relapse as my working sample. Apart from Old Time's Sake . . . Beautiful sounds like any other song on that album

hax:
And a few more if you REALLY meant this. Listen to 'The Watcher 2' and 'Higher' and 'Heat' and 'In Da Club' and tell me they aren't quite unique. Or as at when they first dropped they weren't. Go on.

You are the voice of reason here.
That's exactly what he should have said. . . it's always like that, one person drops a beat, it works, everyone does different deviations of the same thing.
They'll say it like it happens only in Nigeria, but it's everywhere.
The stereotypical 'Dre style' has been relatively successfully duplicated . . . to the extent that only a trained ear can distinguish.

hax:
Be nice to the guy. lol
It's not easy to tell a producer by just the beat. Or he gets criticized for 'doing the same thing'. Only a few signature ones. It's not only Kanye that samples old soul beats, it's not only Timbaland that used those pounding drums, it's not only Premo who scratches and uses vocal samples as hooks, everyone's jacking their styles now and alot of new producers have based their styles on the likes of Kanye and Dre.
I'd switch Jay Elect and Pharrell.
There's RZA, there's Dre, there's Premo, and of recent, Blu too. They're pretty unique.

This is my exact point. . . I thought I was speaking Spanish when I said it.
Being unique is not about being the first to do sumn . . . it's also about making sure no one else does it.
Since that's not possible, how can we then say the American industry has unique producers. That's blasphemy.

hax:
Flexible doesn't mean you have to ignore your signature sound.

I think flexibility is about not having sounds that are 90-100% different.

hax:
And yes, the Nigerian hip hop scene isn't too great, really.
Everyone and their mother is either rapping about money and they're all winding and grinding in the club.
And the word 'swagger' is overused these days.

Now you're talking about the mainstream, same with the American mainstream.
Listen to albums and you'll be surprised, try Illegal Music mixtape or Modenine's albums, even Thy Album Come, the album tracks are quite different from what you hear on TV.

Most of the problems y'all have listed are problems with hiphop as a whole not Nigerian hiphop.

ElRazur:
You clearly cannot see the bigger picture. A problem is a problem, it do not matter whether it is a common issue or not. The bottomline is that it is a problem. No? Dude, instead of getting dismissive, how about show what you know for crying out loud.

You're comparing the Nigerian industry to the American music industry.
I'm saying the problem cuts across . . . so that point you raised is baseless.

You said a certain rapper is a wannabe gangsta . . . I'm saying half the rappers in America are wannabe thugs too.
How does that make Nigerian hiphop inferior to that of the States??

ElRazur:
Can you read an absorb? Do you even see understand my point. I gave an example of how it can be identified  and the best you come up with is some weak post. Pathetic.  If you really understand the aspect of production, then you will understand why dre track have characteristic keyboard and piano sound AND why Timbaland have different parts that sound as filler but work as one. Lifting my words out of context to make a silly point, is lame, weak and at best shows how much you know.  

Bringing Youtube B.S does little to support your case.
Analysis or whatever, I'm the consumer along with other people that buy CDs or download illegally . . . I don't need to dissect beats to appreciate music, you are what you sound to the average hiphop listener.

To the average listener, it's quite difficult to tell that both Jay-Z's On To The Next One and Cassidy's Hotel were produced by one person.
Not having unique sounds does not affect the quality of Nigerian hiphop . . . same way it does not affect that of the Americans.

ElRazur:
Wiki says a lot of stuff and your point is? Making assumptions now? Awesome. You are getting better.

Talk about dismissive tactics!!!
Stop sidestepping and answer the simple question . . . how is Beautiful (Eminem produced) different from all the other songs on Relapse??

ElRazur:
Do you even read what you are saying? First you disagree that American producers do not have a unique sound and in the same breathe agree that Kanye and co have a unique sound. Make your mind up.

I'm saying, relatively, Kanye and Timbaland have the distinct sounds, but you overemphasize it.
The same way a hiphop head can't differentiate between Eldee's beats and Jesse Jagz beats is the same way it's difficult to differentiate between Swizz Beats and Just Blaze on most tracks.
The ability to produce songs and leave no traces of your last work is the next level of creativity. Especially for producers that do about 100 songs a year.

ElRazur:
Really? Perhaps the definition of Insular will help you out. Here:  "If you say that someone is insular, you are being critical of them because they are unwilling to meet new people or to consider new ideas." [Taken from http://www.google.co.uk/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&hl=en&q=insular ]

Perhaps know the meaning of words next time? Just a thought.

Stop playing dumb with me . . . when say insular in the music section in a discussion about beats, even an idiot knows I'm not talking about collaborating with Coldplay.
Do I need to explain to you that when I say his style is relatively insular I mean readily influenced by the rest of the beats around??
I take it I'm not arguing with a high school dropout here and I find it repulsive that you're choosing to portray that image.

ElRazur:
I agree. See above. Been flexible do not mean you change your unique sound.  Ask Dre. He's been in it for 20years plus and he is still doing the same unique sound and approach.

As I said before, being an artist is different from being a producer.
Being flexible means you eliminate 90% of your last beat, only a professionally trained ear should be able to know who did what.
DJ Premier works with Christina Aguilera's Back To Basic's and Nas' Illmatic . . . untraceable to most music critics.

I like the fact that I can listen to an M.I album and four songs produced by one person all have extremely distinct beats.
I'm sure most lovers of good music care more about how good a beat is and not how similar it should be to the previous track.
A good beat is a good beat . . . your 'unique sound' theory is completely laughable

I know you'll come with another set of Youtube videos . . . but I know you know the exact truth.