₦airaland Forum

Ibime:
I am not discounting that there is truth in his assertion. . . . however, I am questioning the motive behind it. . . . he seems to be blaming peoples perception of his skin colour as the reason behind his failure. . . . the fact remains that John Barnes got the best job that anyone could hope to get (except Pep) upon retiring. . . . he immediately took Celtic into the doldrums, finally getting fired after losing 3-1 at home to Inverness. . . . on top of that, his performances on his Channel 5 show, where hes always sweating and fumbling his words would make any club owner question whether he's suitable for management.

What you're doing is throwing the bathwater away with the baby.
It took John Barnes 9 years to come back from management after one flop. (He won his first 11 matches)
This was despite the fact that he had many of his friends like Terry Venables and Sir Bobby Robson.

''But should the fact I wasn't successful at Celtic mean I couldn't be successful in League Two?" - John Barnes.

He mentioned some important points we should examine

1. In the 70s, black players were forced into positions were intelligence where quick thinking wasn't required.

In the 1970s you didn't have black goalkeepers or centre-halves – or not many. If you were a black player you had to play on the wing where you're fast and didn't have to think too much. These are all the misconceptions people had.

2. It's easier getting a job as a manager when you're white.

First black football League manager 1960 . . . it took 33 years for another black manager to get a League job. Where there not black managers??

3. White managers get second chances

'There are lots of bad white managers – but they usually get second chances'

4. It will soon end . . . and intelligent players like Theo Walcott will become great managers

Krayola2:
Frank Rijkaard is black isn't he?

Maybe Clubs just think Barnes lacks intelligence. From the nonsense he's spewing I agree with them.

What you just posted doesn't hold any water. . .
It's just like saying something like . . . 'Because Obama's President, there's no racism in America'

Ibime:
Dont be silly. Most of these coaches dont have 2 GCSEs to rub together. I wonder how many qualifications SAF has?

What was John Barnes doing when people like Jean Tigana came to take his place at the top table? John Barnes was busy leading Celtic to ignominious defeats against the likes of Inverness Caledonian Thistle.

I love the dude John Barnes. Infact my nickname has always been John Barnes cos I resemble the guy, but he is chatting shit.

How can you say he's chatting shit?? He gave evidence of how stereotypes have and will still affect decisions in football.

So you actually believe that educational achievements should be a yardstick for measuring intelligence?? Come on. . .

[center]Clubs still think black managers lack intelligence,' says Barnes[/center]

John Barnes, the footballer who braved the torrent of abuse which epitomised Britain's racial intolerance of black players in the 1980s, has declared that a generation of black managers is being lost to the sport because of a belief that they lack the intellectual ability of their white counterparts.


Barnes, who comes face to face with one of only two other black managers, Paul Ince, when his Tranmere Rovers side face Ince's MK Dons tonight, has struggled for nine years to regain a position in British management after his brief and ultimately unsuccessful spell at Celtic ended in 2000. He has put that struggle down to the sport's failure to give a black manager the same second chance as a white one. Though Ince found work again, seven months after his brief Blackburn tenure ended, he has reverted to the League One side which he left for the top flight.

"Until we are considered to be intellectually equal, we will never be equal," Barnes said. "In the 1970s you didn't have black goalkeepers or centre-halves – or not many. If you were a black player you had to play on the wing where you're fast and didn't have to think too much. These are all the misconceptions people had.


"Then all those myths were dispelled and you had players like [Portsmouth's] David James and Sol Campbell coming through and this whole stereotype about black players playing in certain position or not being very good in the winter has slowly been dispelled. Now you have black coaches in the academies but until you say 'this man has the same intellectual ability whether he is black or he is white' there is still that same question mark.

"In the '70s there was a generation of black goalkeepers and centre-halves lost to the game of football. The 1990s and the early 21st century, to 2020, will be the decade when potential black managers will be lost to the game of football. So when Theo Walcott is a 45-year-old black manager he will speak to black players who will say, 'We can't believe you have to go through that, we don't have to go through that.' My contemporaries and I are the management equivalent of those black centre halves."

Barnes (left), who joined Liverpool from Watford in 1987, endured racist abuse as a player, once famously backheeling a banana that had been thrown at him. He was unwilling to be interviewed for Out of his Skin, the John Barnes Phenomenon, Dave Hill's seminal book, published in 1989, which explored his treatment. But while his ability on the field of play – he helped Liverpool to their last league title 20 seasons ago – gave Barnes the last word against those who heaped vitriol upon him, a dozen attempts to get jobs in management since Celtic sacked him (after the club's Scottish Cup defeat by Inverness Caledonian Thistle) have failed to elicit a single interview and none of the Premier League clubs he has approached, supported by recommendations from Graham Taylor, Sir Bobby Robson and Terry Venables, have responded to him. White managers would have had been given another chance, Barnes said.

"There's nothing you can do because you can't tell a chairman to give you a job," said the former England international, who was hired by Tranmere, having managed his native Jamaican national side through a run of 11 games unbeaten.

Barnes' desire to return to management at any professional level has seen him take up the reins at the Birkenhead club. Tranmere have been put up for sale by their owner, Peter Johnson, and have seen five of last season's regular first XI leave the club as the wage bill has been slashed by a third.

League Two Macclesfield Town's Keith Alexander is the only other black manager in the Football League. The former Luton Town player Ricky Hill was named their manager in July 2000 but sacked 11 months later and has never returned to British management. Keith Curle lasted five years between Mansfield, Town, Chester City and Torquay United and is now a coach at Crystal Palace.

tkb417:
Eldee
just be attentive to details
ahn ahn, we used to be in this biz 2geda

First thing that came to my mind was Madonna

mukina2:
get with the program

Abeg jare . . . it's getting too much
The press is already on our scrotum after just one win . . . that's not strange, but come on  . . . even here on Nairaland??
This thread should be the breath of fresh air.

'Yes We Can' only comes in April, we're not even top of the flipping table now.

mukina2:
na wa o

now i get the siggy things

i just checked 's own

una nor dey tire

I checked . . . but I've not seen any 45 year old

Dis Guy:
But is 20k that much for VC? why are businessmen so greedy?

I wonder!!!
These people make more than that every week.

@topic
The only thing you get from dissing better battle rappers is cred, M.I has that already
Now does he need to reply?? Nah

But this was an easy target . . . M.I is just BULLYING this minor.
That's the same thing Ruggedman did with Eedris, Tupac even did it with Jigga and Nas.

Why's 'YES WE CAN' in our thread's header??
I don't get it . . . we need to chill with this thing.

HNIC:
@Poster
Just wonderinghow will they enforce this ban

They just need to send policemen to about 20 popular viewing centres this Saturday.
It's the Nigerian way.

myspace:
DSTV has the EPL rights for years but we never heard this nonsense. I wish DSTV will just win the rights again and put these clowns where the belong.

It's the same everywhere . . . in the UK, I was surprised to learn that even Fitness gyms had to pay to show EPL matches
They don't get these rights for free you know?? Why should one man sit there and just make money off them??

@Ibime
Do you have any idea why Vela's value is increasing??
Afterall, he has next to no chance of making the team.

And erm . . . does the wildcard mean I can get just anyone for free??

tkb417:
stupid boi, lets see who wins the contest

ol boi
im scared for ma position after todays game
7 of ma players are not in action.
chei!!!

i must do everything to win this thing even if i have to be changing my captain every week
nyways, it looks like sauron , mukina and tubabie are destined for the drop this season
haha!

Oh shit!!! Arshavin is my captain and I forgot to change him for Gameweek 2!!!
Damn, that woulda helped me double Lampards point to 20 . . . chei!!!

I just hope I can break into the Top Ten this week . . .

Hehehe . . . I does this
I'm out of the relegation zone now, all I have to do is hope Torres plays well today
David will lose his topspot today, half his team's not playing

tkb417:
ooohh
the deadline for gameweek 2 has passed
shit!

why didnt i buy Lampard sef?
i forgot the goat willl play plenty penalties

Hehehe . . . I will catch up with you
Na me you dey call relegation zone that time abi??
Let's see if my Koumas will not catch up with you today.

Ikengawo:
LOL! at "lubricating my system" i don't know who teaches Nigerians english but DAMN! lol

Come on . . . there's nothing wrong with him using metaphors to get his point across
He used phrases like 'alchoholic drought', his command of the language is not bad at all.

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

THE INCREDIBLE BLUNDER
The rap game is similar to a chess game.in chess you have to keep your eyes open and time your moves.a simple mistake can cost you dearly & greediness can be disastrous.every piece on the board is important but you must be able to gauge their respective importance as the game proceeds,the little pawn you overlook might eventually became a queen,the sluggish knight might become your waterloo & the limited bishop might trap you.the reason why iam saying this is just to get a message across to MI.ever since mi dropped "somebody is about to die" i have not been able to shake the feeling that it is his career that is about to die.here is my letter to mi,

Dear mr incredible,
How are you doing and how is choc city,i hope you are enjoying your new found fame?the question is how long do you want it to last,because it clearly looks like you do not cherish your new status as naija's finest.don't let people decieve you.you are not the best(at least not yet).what you should be doing right now is trying to move out of your comfort zone and take your game to the next level.while the hip hop heads might be feeling you,the average Nigerian music lover is not.you don't have a certified hit yet(on a kini big deal level) and your album wasn't even a classic.
Dissing iceberg slim was the height of stupidity,more like putting the cart before the horse.if you were dissing eldee,ruggedman,modenine,2shotz or naeto c that would have been different,at least these are people who have fanbases that can be hijacked.iceberg slim has no fan,he is a nobody.you were supposed to ignore him.just because you are lyrically sound and talented and you are better than most of your peers(when rhyming in english) doesn't give you the liberty to go at anybody anyhow.this nigga is way beneath you.you had the rap album of the year,your career is on track and chocolate city is blowing up,why do you want to Bleep it up right now?iceberg has nothing to lose while you have everything to lose.what is wrong with you?
You might think you are better than everybody else but that is far from the truth.i have listened to your album and your mixtape and i know that you can be defeated in a battle(easily).for every great artiste in the world there is always a better one waiting in the shadows(terry da rapman What you should have done was let iceprince go at him(that's why you have weed carriers),you could have ghostwritten the reply and stayed behind the scene,that way you might even blow up iceprince.i have been in this game for so long that i can recognize a mistake when i see one.

-what if iceberg gets the backing of mode9,terry da rapman,illbliss,sauce kid,cyrus da virus & vector?even with kel on your side,you will get run over.(naija's version of ja rule vs 50 cent,eminem,dr dre,dmx,busta rhymes,obie trice,g-unit,d-12)

-what if iceberg gets signed to mo hits,kennis music or storm records?

-what if the media blows it out of proportion?

jude,my advice for you is to back off before it gets ugly,stop making a mountain out of a molehill cos when shit hits the fan,all these rappers claiming to be your friends will not come to your aid.a word is enough for the wise.

Why does he need to take legal actions??
What's wrong with a smear campaign?? Artistes like Eedris will die to have a smear campaign started against them.

In Dave Chapelle's words 'You can't get unfamous. You can get infamous, but you can't get unfamous'

I tried it just to see if it works . . . voila, it does
But there's no way I'm switching to Championship Manager, I'm an FM addict

This is just a way to pull a smart one on SEGA's Football Manager
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[quote author=*Hauwa* link=topic=310885.msg4369043#msg4369043 date=1250536792]i agree with TOH, every weekend take her away for a get away weekend where u both have privacy, dine out, visit parks etc.

for ur brother, strictly set a time for him, give him 3-6month to get a job and his own place. soon he will be acting like he has a right to live there and eat free food which is one nig factor (he does not . . . since you are now married)

bless you david, nigerian men and their family scare me big time.[/quote]He's living in the UK equivalent of a council flat . . . the weekend getaway is out of the question
Dine out?? This dude wants to get some . . . and I'm not talking bout food here

You need to agree with me that in the value system of the average working class Nigerian man, the belief in the need of an extended family network is prolly above everything else.
My suggestion gives him a chance to kill two birds with one stone

Sagamite:
It is good to see a young person based abroad so proud of Nigeria and looking for the positive of Nigeria despite the consistent negative media the West like to portray of anything African.

But young woman, if you were old enough to know how good we were in Athletics in the past, you will not be celebrating out performance now in any Athletics event.

Back in the day, it was a forgone conclusion that you will see at least one Nigerian in the final, most times (I emphasis MOST) it is even two in any of the sprint races.

Nigerians were setting Meet Records in 100m, 200m and 400m (Men, Women and even hurdles).

Now we have to celebrate if one Nigerian gets into the semi-final, when the likes of Fasuba should be at least competing for 4th place.

And let's not forget how many times we've lost podium places to drug cheats

It's obvious . . . it's Bolt's era now
All we need to do now is go back to the drawing board and push some talented 17 year olds . . .

ThiefOfHearts:
which kind errand lasts for 2 weeks lol

Erm . . . say 'help me go to the village and give mama these clothes, and I'll send you money to come back in two weeks'
You need to gain more Nollywood experience

@topic
Everytime you really need to do it 'well well', send your brother on an errand, somewhere he has to stay for like two weeks
Do your thing and make sure the pleasure's enough to last a month. . . simples.

@tkb
It is on . . .
Chei, see wetin Torres don cause, see me and Dayokanu come dey drag relegation zone
When nor be Bayern team I dey use

@Ibime
I just got the concept, why get a DMF when he'll never score??
But you do know DMFs always make the team.

This one na bigtime mess up
No one in my team scored!!!

Does anyone know if or not I lose points for transfers??

@Mukina
Could you please unlock our thread for us now??
What else do you want?? Are you waiting for Wenger to score??

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=309643.msg4357660#msg4357660 date=1250360459]Hehehehehehe. . . . . .Like Man Utd, huh?[/quote]Exactly . . . let Asharvin be our own Ronaldo
I'll be satisfied with Van P and Dudu scoring 9 each

No striker has scored . . .
This is exactly what we need, not a 25 goal a season striker

davidylan:
5-0!!!!!!!!

I like this type of doom!

More doom for Arsenal!!!

dayokanu:
Instead of Arsenal to conserve the goals for rainy days they are scoring like no tomorrow. 5-0

Do you know the number of games Man Utd won by 1-0 last year

Now 5 goals that would have won 3-4 games have been scored in a single game.

Conservation No wonder Arsene Wenger has not won any trophy in Europe

Yeah . . .same way Bayern coserved goals against Wolfsburg last season??

dayokanu:
Doom is already here

I love this type of doom.
Shebi na just 4-0 doom??

Let's hope this doom comes 30 more times this season

[quote author=too_soon link=topic=309643.msg4357436#msg4357436 date=1250357946]La Liga is useless too, if the score line of a 90 mins match ended like this, Real Madrid Vs Barcelona 2-6[/quote]What of the Bundesliga where Wolfsburg trashed a top four team 5-1??
Infact, the only good league i this world is the NigerianPremier league. . . or can Eyimba trash Kano Pillars??

Isn't Fab4 about to sign for Milan on Monday??
Why's he scoring here today??

davidylan:
We must be watching a diff game, he has not been criminally giving the ball away. I think we shld get away from all this cliches and pre-conceived opinions on certain players we dont like. Denilson hasnt been MOTM yet but he has been quietly effective.

Everton isnt giving us space to play so dont expect sexy passing football.

Some people don't even watch the match . . . they already know what they'll type every ten minutes
It's a pre-written script for them . . . they just spew as time goes.