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Arguing on NL Music Section . . . I've been screaming at my TV for two hours, now I'm not allowed to sleep

Bamsyle:
I can swear I've seen one of your posts on this issue before . . . where you said 2pac exaggerated his gangsta life . . . and for that he's overrated . . . I disagreed . . . now you admit it's only what others think of you that makes you overrated . . . which could be worse - peops claiming he deserved the award or Kanye himself claiming so It's about time . . .  

If Tupac exaggerated the gangsta life, and no one cared, then that's he's not overrated
But when someone comes to tell me B.S like, 'he lives everything he spits' . . . that's where his name escapes into this thread.
Nas said on a song that he doesn't want to be placed above Kool-G Rap an Big Daddy Kane on any Top-five list, when a list goes 1.Pac 2.B.IG 3.Nas, then Nas has been overrated on that list.

Bamsyle:
Why can't you read between the lines? . . . When I say "relate with", you think it's about "comprehending" what a rapper's saying I mean "simple, everyday issues" . . . 2pac does not try too hard to impress anyone with wordplays et al . . . he raps about everyday issues that you can easily identify with . . . don't make me post some of those metaphysical lines here . . .

You need to stop dropping these loop-hole quotes . . . you're a lawyer.
Rapping about everyday issues equals 'not trying to impress with wordplays'??
NL is not Freestyle Friday, you're allowed to read through and edit before posting. . . advice from a brother

Bamsyle:
Out of the myriads of songs by 2pac, it's this one you can remember . . . simple reason why you lot just can't understand him.

It's the one I know you can't relate with

Bamsyle:
All dead rappers are overrated I respect your views El but this comment is most bizarre . . . Big L, Big Pun, Proof, ODB, Freaky Tah, Jam Master Jay, Mista C, Mac Dre, Eazy-E are all overrated How many peops even know Scott LaRock, Doc Doom, Big Hawk, Big Moe, Soulja Slim, Stack Bundles, Stretch, Trouble T-Roy, Yaki Kadafi Are you still the Eldee I thought I knew

Dude . . . for heaven's sake, did you have to dig up Home Office records??
Anyways, the extra hype a rapper gets is relative to his his status before death . . . it' common sense bruv.

Bamsyle:
Paraphrased - Eldee, could you please stop smokin' lala??  

Nah, maybe you'll understand when you stop taking things too serious
Them dey pay you for all this boneface??

debosky:
Gallas' injury is devastating.

Djourou will have to step up.

First thing he did when he came in was to almost give them a corner
I even saw the result of his poor communication with Fabianski

I think Toure will need to step up instead

debosky:
Now on to the injuries. . . I hope Gallas and Peroxide aren't too damaged, we need them back real soon.

Gallas has a ligament damage . . . that's a serious injury

Ade's post match interview:

'We played well, and at the end, we take one point back to Emirates'

Dude, it's an away goal we took, not one point
When his mates were going to school, he was practicing overhead kicks in the backyard

We got it!!!

Porto 2 : Man Utd 2

debosky:
Wenger bringing on Eboue for Walcott. . . . not very surprising, given that we've used up 2 subs already.

Ade is going to be worked to the max today.

Villareal brings on another striker - we need to keep things tight and leave with a draw at the minimum.

True that . . . also considring the fact that Walcott is fresh from injury

Haba . . . Le Prof
Eboue??

Who dey home sef??

Damn . . . the auto-correct thing is stricter

We need one more goal . . . let's steal it

@HNIC

Nah . . . you can't say 'fu ck you haters'
Say 'Bleep ALL YOU HATERS!!!'

ade!!!!!

Criz

The goal's coming very, very soon . . .Villareal burnt too much energy without scoring a second one
I think Bartender will help link Ade

We've been totally outplayed
Before they scored, all they did was bully our midfield, then they scored and bullied the whole team
Nasri's creativity is locked down, Walcott's doing his own part but we need a moment of brillance from him since we're not going to see one from Ade if things continue like this.

Denilson?? missing

Nah . . . we can't close them down
We just need to steal the midfield from Senna . . . he's bullying all three of 'em like no man's biz

Alex Song . . . that's not how you tackle when Senna's about to take a shot

Theo's our best man so far . . .

Ifedisky posted the perfect line-up
At least that's what Wenger thinks . . . exact copy

Bamsyle:
Eldee, you're straight clowning I swear . . .

If we begin to post wack lyrics from Kanye West, NL would suffer multiple seizures . . .

You're grinning at the asinine comments coming from a tramp like Ibime Someone who came here to say Kanye West is wack and you couldn't reply him When you even read his siggy you'll know he's the kinda person you should pay no mind . . . 

I know you argue more intelligently than this . . . better you close that mouth of yours now and face him on that . . . till then I declare you persona non grata . . . 

Hehehe . . . are you Alibaba in disguise??

I've told you . . . I'm a fan of good hiphop, Kanye just happens to be doing good music.
I put his strong points forward, Ibime didn't attack any of 'em points so I have no problem with him
A-40 tried to question Kanye's creativity, that's why I went all out on him . . . you attacked consistency, I went on to prove how flawed your argument was . . . Ibime's thinks Kanye's wack because he speaks plain English . . . that's exactly what I like about him, so no qualms.

When Ibime comes out to say Kanye's not creative or Nas is a crap lyricist . . . then we'll have to open a new topic for him to prove that Ph.D he carries about has his name on it

dejiariyo:
Ok, it appears that our transient society based upon what have you done for me lately has decide to question the noteriety associated with Tu-Pac. Saying that he was over-rated and I guess they were also attempting to imply that he was not a genius or a creative power during his time. Well lets take a look at other misunderstood white icons that society tends to look over their travesties and embellish their contributions to epic proportions. Edgar Allan Poe was an alcoholic, Albert Einstein operated in a childhood state until the age of 25! Oppenheimer was a questionable member of German loyalist? I could continue on and discuss others from earlier eras such as the bi-sexual Julius Cesar or the adulterous whoremongering Alexander the Great. No, I will not take the muck road instead I will only ask that we examine Tu-Pacs' impact on the rap genre in another 2 decades and lets see how future generations view him as overrated or do they see him as a prolific speaker of his time?

Hehehe . . . this is the funniest argument an NLer ever dropped

dejiariyo:
Wayne has a broad
vocabulary, and tells no stories, yet he's the best we have today? Tupac was able to tell a story with a new rhyme scheme, and included a great vocabulary,

Could you please stop embarrassing yourself here
What new rhyme scheme did Tupac bring?? Oh . . . he invented the couplet??
Please stick to your 'head like cocoyam' analysis and save your face.

Bamsyle:
Quit this straight clowning and get a grip yo . . . Jay-Z boycotted but can you quote him for saying anythang

Dude stop dragging this side-argument . . . when you're overrated, it what others think of you
What Kanye thinks of himself is not your business . . . at least not on this topic

Bamsyle: he was real . . . he rapped about issues we can all relate with

I take this as a personal insult to my inteligence . . . your arguments have never been this baseless
Tel me which rappers don't talk about things we can relate with?? I know a guy that felt personally insulted by Hov's 'All the other guys say is gimme' line on Show Me What You Got
Tell me you don't relate with Kanye's 'I'll do anything to say I got it, damn them new loafers hurt my pocket' line on Touch The Sky
What I'm trying to point out is, the reason why they're artistes is because they've got an audience to relate with . . . so it ain't nuffin special.
_{Besides I seriously don't know how you relate with Against All Odds}
I won't come out to say Tupac was wack . . . nah, he wasn't, he's legendary, but was he a little overrated?? All dead rappers are!!!

[size=1pt]Eldee, could you please stop having this much fun[/size]

Ibime:
All my niggas can you heeeeeeeeeeeaaar meeeeeeee/
I think niggas is tryna kiiiiiiiill meeeeeeeeeeee/
Picture me pissed, hollow points when they driiiiiiill me/


What kind of primary school raps are these?


Bombaclaaart!

Chei!!! Hehehehe

See as Ibime wan close thread oohhh!!!
Reminds me of one Modenine thread . . . one badman just posted 'Long neck like guinea-fowl . . . head like cocoyam'
Till today, that thread is on end of discussion

Bamsyle:
C'mon you can't equate what someone says on a rap song with what he says in real life . . . bragging is to Rap Music what green is to the Naija flag . . . how can you compare what someone says on records with what he storms the venue of a Music Award Show to say

Jay-Z boycotted the Grammys over the same issue . . . my case rests

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=256465.msg3698196#msg3698196 date=1239063505]@eldee
Dude you got a couple of lines on that verse wrong period! i don't do azlyrics.com its strictly ohhla.com (original hip hop lyrics archive) for me i pulled out a line that if Nas had spat you would leave Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka scampering for a dictionary with the superlatives you would use to describe that line which clearly shows your bias for Kanye

Now don't get me wrong i like Kanye and prefer him to Fiddy and most of the rappers out there but some of the words you have embellished on him are getting me nauseous as Bamsyle has rightly pointed out he has dumbed down and lets not forget for a rapper who has made 60-70% of his hits with samples (he was even subtly dissed to his face with it on an old Nick Cannon "Wild and out" show) its not out of place to say he's over-rated infact i won't be wrong if i called him America's answer to Olu and Tolu Maintain[/quote]Now you're doing a Jackal over one word?? Jocking/Checking . . . release 'em straws bruv
What superlative have I used on him?? Most creative?? He shows improvement?? He's brave?? Dude . . .

He made his hit's with samples . . . so that's why he should hang on the cross upside-down??
It's called SIGNATURE STYLE!!! If sampling has given us great songs like Ether, Mo MoneyMo Problems, even Jay-Z's latest single . . .
Sampling is what he does . . . if he keeps dropping hits, then it's okay with me, and the Grammys too

Personally, I think he's an overrated rapper too . . . but a much too underrated artiste

chiogo:
I sure as hell know Nairaland members won't change my opinion about something I strongly believe in. psh!!

You see, in Dre's words. . . that's the difference between me and you
If your opinion makes sense, with good arguments to prove it, there's nothing wrong with me accepting where and where I've been wrong
That's how I learn . . . this whole thing bout glueing to your onions is childish _{erm okay maybe not on anything that has to do with Arsenal}

Lastly, let me end this Pac issue . . . all dead rappers are maybe a little overrated maybe a tiny bit, even Proof was hailed as the next to Eminem only after he died
If I wanted to become a rapper today, I'd just release ten albums, get into a big fight and make sure I die fighting . . . Infact, I go big pass M.I

Okay, finally lastly . . . one rapper whose influence cannot be denied
Name a rapper I aint influenced - NAS

ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING

chamotex:
Muki, its in the Sun Newspaper!!! Tatafo

SHET MEEEN!!! The Sun Newspaper!!! and that's your proof??

javalove:
so where is modenine on the list, ?

it seems for posters to get attention this days, modenine has to be in their subject,

na wa ooo

WOW!!! That's soooo strange . . . could it be because they think Javalove will be there to reply even before reading the original post??
Nah . . .

Bamsyle:
First off, I ain't proving hip hop head here . . . and there's hardly any genre of music I don't know about - even if Rap's like 90% of the time . . . so don't gimme that "he's doing music I ain't comfortable with" stuff . . . I know what I'm talkin' about . . . Kanye is not wack . . . that's like saying Eminem is wack . . . but he has dumbed down . . . I've never been into his lyrics . . . but but the tempo has fallen . . . I don't dig his "808s and Heartbreak" - the auto-tune thingy ain't doing it for me . . . and still I ain't preaching no hip hop head sermon . . .

Dumbing down= Vocorder ??

Step out of that zone bruv . . . Mr 'I love his spirit, his delivery, his style, his wordplay . . . plus he's a great performer and he's creative . . . but nah, I can't just place me fingers on it'
I think I'll just go with 'Innocent until prven guilty'.

Bamsyle:
And hey, talking 'bout being overrated, dude does have an attitude . . . what with his comments on the Grammy Awards and MTV Europe Music Awards in 06? I ain't a hater though . . .

Tupac thinks he's Black Jesus, Busta thinks he's 'God of the Street', Jay-Z thinks he's the Jewish Jesus, Eminem thinks he's 'a bit of Pac and Big and a sprinkle of Big L' and yet Kanye's overrated because he thinks he should beat Justin to the Best Male Performer award??
Hmmn . . .Bamsyle

_{As a subOlorioko on this section, I hereby issue a decree: No more epistles, OTHERWISE BAN!!!}

tkb417:
Sauron
Macheda on the bench
is welbeck on the bench
heheheheh
Macheda is marching to stardom. all he needs to do is score another goal tmr and his value will skrocket to 15milla

Hmmmn this your mathematics sef. . . 2 goals = 15 milla??
Are you Abrahimovic in disguise??

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=258567.msg3696439#msg3696439 date=1239036876]I want to see him against any English side before i make up ma mind.[/quote]Hehehe . . . Yeah right
Crespo made a hobby out of making Man Utd defender look daft . . .till he came to Chelsea
What of Pizarro . . . and Martins, we see him rolling on the ground more often not

mukina2:
Ribery will only come to England if the club in concern is Arsenal

It's true, our wowo-handsome balance is tilting too much toward the Fabregas-Walcott end
We need to balance things out, Asharvin is not enough

mukina2:
Micheal Owen was worshipped but he left, Beckham was worshipped he left

Don't compare him to these EPL stars . . . Beckham eats his words faster than he changes hairstyles
Ribery's a man of his word, see theway he promised his old club a full season . . . and he made sure he saw out that year before he went to Bayern

tkb417:
u no serious
but for real, Asharvin is a superb buy.

we need to cancel that lil edge by getting Ribery

Ribery cannot leave Bayern
I'm watching UCL Weekly . . . and he's being interviewed
He's talking about how he feels so at home in Germany, pundits describe him as 'Bayern's best buy in 20 years'
He's worshipped there

How can you say Kanye is wack??
Erm . . . excuse me for not being narrow-minded . . .
I've told you guys before, if being a hiphop head means refusing artiste that can rap in plain anglais, then I no be emcee, abi na by force??
I wonder why you'll expect me to ignore musical creativity to conform with what some thugs in NY want me to believe

Ibime:
How can you even compare Kanye to Game lyrically? [b]Kanye that Memphis Bleek, Oschino and Spark[/b]s were laughing at when he announced that he wanted to be a rapper

Whose laughing now??

tkb417:
hehehehehe
my Boss just came to look at ma screen cos of the way i laffed

ure funny. But check Ribery doing his thingy from the left and sometimes from the mid
it was ill be catastrophic for opponents. we need to re-jig cos the Arses got it right with the signing of Asharvin
we need Ribery

Hehehe . . . I'm havng eyegasms already

ThiefOfHearts:
To you he isnt He's fine with me

Believe it or not, that's what 'hiphop heads' do, they confine you into this tiny space, tell you what to do
Then after three albums, they tell you you've lost it . . .

See artistes that came out banging like DMX, they've become where are they now stars

@Bamsyle
Kanye is not consistent . . . nah, HE IMPROVES WITH EVERY EFFORT!!!
Does he know how to make a crap song?? C'mon
Diamonds From Sierra-Leone, Jesus Walks, We Major, Gold Digger, Homecoming, Stronger, Big Brova, Can't Tell Me Nothing . . . you can't call that consistency, you call that exponential growth in musical creativity.

Don't even let's go to the commercial aspect . . . you'll be shocked
This Way, Stronger, American Boy, Heartless, Wouldn't Get Far, Good Life . . . these are songs that cut across musical devices. Ipod must-haves, cuts through ethnicity, class and gender

And please don't call Love Lockdown and Amazing 'dumbing down' . . . call it 'diverting into a musical genre I'm not comfortable with'
Erm . . . he didn't do it cause of his mum?? How do you explain 'a lot of things have been happening in my life recently'??
You're waiting for him to get his grove back . . . listen to Go Hard, he has a message for you hiphop heads in the last bar.

Bout Biggie . . . it's not my fault that he had a shortlived career, but what I know is, he won't have been able to put out that level thrice
Illmatic is rated the best rap album of all time, maybe sumone should have shot Nas then too . . . how can you prove that it won't be Pac and Nas on our G.O.A.T lists