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I can see Eldee's name is trending like erm . . . #M.I 2.
I still don't have time to read posts . . . but I'll say sumn on the FAQs on this thread.

Y'all talk about Africanness is a country where every rap album has rappers spitting in sum next American accent . . . in a country where people complain because you use 'My belle oh my headi ooh' as your hook, in a country where one of the biggest rappers said 'how can you claim to be a good rapper if you don't rap in English' . . . keep deceiving yourselves. So is it Anoti or Beef, I know which is more African.

Why did he take this direction?? Because there is an audience bigger than the Talk About It audience that's being ignored in Naij . . . Dbanj shouldn't have more fans than Modenine when Modenine puts in more effort . . . I've explained this before, hiphop cannot survive without pop influences.

Am I accepting it just because it's M.I?? Of course . . . he's proven himself on two albums and one mixtape, I don't need proof that M.I is lyrical. If you think M.I isn't good at rapping, go take Bar Beach do jacuzzi . . . I've seen what he can do, but now he's gone from Jeezy to 2shot and that's a landmark in Naija hiphop whether you like it or not.

And BTW, I'm surprised no one has said 'Eldee prefers M.I 2 to TAI'

duduspace:
And what do yu see that suggests he can't? 
with what he's achieved at 19, the sky is Hazard's limit, still its yur choice what yu choose to believe about where the boy will end up the keyword here is potential.
If I said he will be sold off for a sum as high as CR7 then yu can question the statement, except yu're telling me there is no difference between potential and achievement.
A bit of a pity the man who claims to have discovered the english language has jumped on the bandwagon of sensationalism.

You really don't understand the meaning of potential do you??

Superman alone will come into X-Men comics as a villain.

@Colonel Slimshay

Abeg which kind perspective be that na . . . which reason you wan give for that kain misyarn??
No player has £80mil potential at 19, not even Ronaldo. . . . just because he has an opinion doesn't mean it can't be B.S.

@

duduspace:
3. Has potentially incredible sell on value a la CR7  

so this statement means, he will have CR7's exact resale price? eldee, this is nitpicking, nuff said.
Anyway, for avoidance of doubt, that is not what I meant and I've clarified that.

No, you're saying all things being equal, developing at the expected pace, he'll end up a  £60-80mil player . . . which is complete B.S.
And save yourself the task of justifying your statement, you'll just cause more hassle for yourself.

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=567426.msg7376034#msg7376034 date=1292869750]Was it Dudu that said anything about Vela's technical ability viz a viz Messi or Ritchy?[/quote]True that . . . Duduspace just gets the blame for most opaks on this thread because im like to dey form Voltron.
When you see sumn like that, you stay off it, not try to justify it . . .

Duduspace came and started saying, 'erm, he's got the pace and the . . . ' I was like STFU.

Ibime:
DBR never drop?

Eldee, how about a quick mini-tourney over the Christmas period.

DBR didn't drop, I got Wordsmith though.

If guys are not agreeing to do a cypher that's just one verse with no competition, a tourney will be asking for too much.

@Hax
It's obvious u know next to nothing outside Shad and The Roots . . . the Nigerian music scene is foreign to you, Bleep that, music is foreign to you . . .that's obvious.
Now, I'll ask three yes/no questions . . .

1. Has M.I proved that he's a great rapper with M.I, Talk About It, Illegal Music and the many collabos he was on??
2. What is the most popular beef song in Nigerian hiphop music??
3. Is M.I 2 good music??

duduspace:
Can you quote my original statement that was jumped upon and read it in the context it was written? I'm waiting.

I don't care man . . . you post before you think, no offense.

That's exactly what just happened again here, CR7's resale price?? Even Rooney that's been a star since he was 16 never had anyone say that kind of B.S.

duduspace:
Like what exactly eldee? what I said or what some folks thought I was saying?

Aren't you the one that likened Vela to Messi??

It's not hard, yo drop em one a week . . . you already used up the one for this week.

@dduspace

Come on . . . you've dropped so many gaffes here, don't even go there.

hax:
yes, i admit i'm kinda old-school when it comes to the hard beats, so i'll let that slide. but the album is full of WACK bragging punchlines innit? if he went all conscious and i was hating i would have understood that statement, but it doesn't make any sense, since he was bragging, and he wasn't even doing it right. compare it to the conscious sh-it on the track 'talk about it'. even the hook wasn't TOO out of place on that track.

As I said before, your idea of music is punchlines, hardbeats and 'deep' stuff. . . there's nothing wrong with your view, it's just different from mine.
I prefer 'Talk About It' and 'Illegal Music' but I do see a reason he'll do songs like 'My Belle oh', 'Number One' and 'Wild Wild West' and I'll be surprised if you understood, your view is myopic, and I'm tired of repeating myself.

hax:
yup. you're confined in YOUR myopic views on music. where jay-z ignoring his street/drug raps and b.o.b rapping 20-second verses and MI2 singing about beef and ponmo is cool.

Hehehe . . . I'm confined but I listen to the 'drug raps' and the Wutang Meets Indie while still having time to listen to pop music.
We should find a new definition for 'confined', and also change the definition of good music to mean 'hard beats' while you're at it

no one makes a diss track and sings about beef/ham/goat meat/shaki in it. it's just wrong.

Hehehe . . .that's what they said about Eminem's funny tracks. Oh yeah, you also think Eminem is wack, my bad.

i didn't like it. but i didn't hate it either. i knew he would still make something as good as MBDTF, so i quickly forgave him.

Oh so you forgave him?? Wow, isn't that just nice?? All is well with the world.

hax:
did i say that anywhere? i was just wondering why you cared so much.
sometimes i wonder why you listen to hiphop at all in the first place if you like corny pop production, corny punchlines, and corny hooks about beef and ponmo. look at the albums you've been hyping over the past few months.

BP3. i think i remember you saying it was better than American Gangster sef.
B.o.B's cra-ppy adventures
now MI2

pop. poppy feel-good trash.

When you understand that music goes beyond 'hard beats' and bragging pnchlines, then I can have a conversation about music with you, right now you're just another one of the blind hiphop heads that think Talib Kweli is MJ.

Listen to yourself . . .''he didn't use a 'hard' beat.'' . . . 'corny hook about beef and ponmo' . . . forgive me for not being confined to your myopic views on music.
Now because someone uses a Nigerian joke that's being there since forever on a hook, he's committed treason . . . I guess he's wrong for not using 'ham and stuffing' instead.

hax:
seriously? if he's going to use phrases nigerian's use everyday, he's better off SINGING them instead of rapping them because they aren't deep enough to hold anyone's attention for a whole ALBUM. which is why you probably let the beats drown out the wack punchlines and nod your head thinking 'hmmm. . . it's MI, it's nice, it trended on twitter, and 300 billion people bought it, it must be sick.'

smh

Oh . . .so now you're giving advice on how to make good music.
But didn't you guys throw your toys out of the pram when Kanye sang on 808's??

It's official . . . the hiphop head should be cut off . . . .from music.

hax:
yes. by selling out. nobody complained that TAI was too 'hood' or 'hardcore'. it was just right. but he STILL had to water it down and make MI2.
and why the fxck should i care that 30 million other people bought it if i didn't like it? why do you care about sales so much. Talk about it was a much more cohesive album, had better production and had better lyrics. MI2 was a rapper seling out to make money, and it hurt the music in the process.

Oh, so you agree that more Nigerians bought this one??
It doesn't hurt the music, it hurt the music, it hurts the hiphop . . . and I don't care bout what you like either, we've never agreed on an artiste, why should we start now??

hax:
and @eldee, if it's nigerian to spit wack punchlines like 'in their mouth like toothpaste'. . . it's no wonder people try to swim to the USA.

If you're not comfortable with a Nigerian album with a rapper using phrases that everyday Nigerians use, get a visa, they lifted the quota yesterday.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7364106#msg7364106 date=1292710593]if that is the case, kindly furnish me with the album sales of mode-9's last two albums, ruggedman and 9ice. please show me a billboard that actually says they sold xyz albums in week 1, week 2 and so on and forth. otherwise, this is just another lie plucked out of the ozone layer.[/quote]Aiite let me put it like this, notjustok sold Dbanj, Eldee, Unstoppable, Da Grin and all those albums and came out to say, with all the albums they've marketed, M.I 2 has sold most.
Yeah, the sites are lying because they love M.I but hate Dagrin, I see where you're coming from.

he's silly to have valued his album so cheaply. how much is 20 million naira? ruggedman's album is $10 per pop on itunes and m.i. sold the distribution of his album for pea-nuts.

As usual you don't know what you're saying, the deal is for the hard copies in Nigeria and West Africa . . . the internet sales are not covered, the rest of Africa is not covered, it's like you've got this campaign to make Eldee wrong, but come on Sauron, you know me too well . . . weak stuff from your 'grapevine' cannot stand next to my word.

prove to me m.i.2 has sold more than talk about it. i hope you are not using youtube hits to determine album sales.

It has sold more, at least online . . .I'm sure of that cus M.I said it.

'Ask 2face, it's like toothpaste
Without your gist in their mouth it's like toothpaste
Just because say you no tie shoelace
They carry your gist around like suitcase

Ask Timaya ask Wande
They follow you bumper on Sunday
But do they yimu-yimu on Monday
If your fin boy too much they say you turn gay

If you must chop, then dey must chop
Everybody knows directions to your bus stop'

Are you being serious?? How can you say Nigerian's won't relate with this??
He went from Lil Wayne to Pidgin. . . and you say it's not more Nigerian than Talk About It??

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363965#msg7363965 date=1292709226]publicity stunts. m.i. sold his soul to one alaba merchant because he got scared of the piracy in nigeria. from the snippets i got from a reliable source, the album is yet to move 10,000 units everywhere so all those online sales records might not really paint the full picture. firstly, this might actually be the first time online record sales have been monitored in nigeria so the first artiste will naturally break a record.[/quote]Stop saying what you don't know, every big album since 2008 has been sold online and monitored. . . the people that said this are the sites themselves.
Besides it also trended on Twitter . . . M.I rigged that too??

What stupid businessman will put 20mil on an album if he's not sure it will sell?? You do know he has to make a profit right??

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363965#msg7363965 date=1292709226]if the above statement is true then arsene wenger isn't a failure but we all know he is. of course, what criteria are we using here to determine whether m.i. has achieved his goal? what is his goal? has he sold a platinum yet or what goal are we talking about here? so if m.i. releases a gospel album next time, you will say he has set his own goal and achieved it all over again. abeg, this does not wash with me. m.i. failed.[/quote]I'm done bruv.
I can't argue with you about sales, you obviously don't know what you're saying if you think M.I 2 didn't sell more than Talk About It.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-445800.1280.html#msg7355081

slimshay:
Dudu will you show some effing pride. Parade oshi wo. . . .we will waya dem home and away, doctor haff said it. So it is so.

Wo . . . wa sere, iti aff happen already sef.
We musto trash them.

AjanleKoko:
Okay I get it.
Fantasy footie, right?
Can't think of any other explanation, cos even if the game is played in your dreams, you know what we're gonna do

Hehehe . . . you're still talking??
Just tell Valdez to start training on how to pick the ball from the net. . .he needs to perfect that technique before the match.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363936#msg7363936 date=1292708904]that's a defeatist way of going about things.[/quote]I've made my opinions on the album known . . .

'I see it's gang up against Eldee day on the Music Section.
I do understand where y'all are coming from, this is not an album for the hiphop fan, and M.I stated his intentions clearly.
Is it as good as TAI?? I don't think so . . . subjective. I said that many times?? Is it a different direction?? Yes . . . I noted that earlier too.

Now does M.I anything to prove to hiphop fans?? No . . . 'if you like my old ish buy my old album'.
He's succeeded in bringing the average Nigerian to hiphop, now he's taking hiphop to them. . . 'Number One' is probably your dad's favourite song, so is 'My belle oh', and 'One Naira' is banging on your sister's I-pod. . . even the 'best' lines on the album were the funny ones.

You can't call a man a failure for setting his own goal and achieving it. . . this has done much more for hiphop music in Nigeria than any other album out there, yep, tell them I said it.

Now you say I'm not being objective, but you're the one ignoring the fact that Afro-pop is a genre in it's own right, and has different criteria from hiphop. You're the one ignoring the fact that good music can exist without TAI metaphors, you're the one ignoring the fact that this is one of the most focussed albums in terms of direction, you're the one ignoring the fact that this guy talked to the Jos residents and Niger Deltans in a way they'll actually want to listen.

The only other people that have attempted this are the Eldees and Sound Sultans . . . but we all know not of them has had this huge impact.
So you guys can talk all you want, I'm happy to see a 'truly Nigerian' Nigerian rapper using a Nigerian concept and making a huge statement to Nigerians.'

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363905#msg7363905 date=1292708618]that is not the point. his debut album got him his respect from the streets. why not stick to the main plan? are you now telling me m.i. would get more respect for this album than the first album? or are you telling me this new album will move more units than his debut? you gotta be having a laugh, mate![/quote]Yes, it gets more street cred . . . if the streets you're talking about isn't Oxford street.
Yes, it moved more units . . . ask the sites where it broke online sales records and the guys that paid 20 mill for the rights to market his album in Nigeria and West Africa.

lalaboi:
You just gotta accept the fact that sometimes, Realness nor dey pay!

The funniest thing is that he ticked both boxes, he addressed really difficult issues and put it in a way most people would relate.
Infact I don tire to dey preach, anybody wey no like the album make im go take ata rodo do smoothie.

GEJ

Just for finally connecting with the young people of Nigeria, not by using them as political thugs just listening to what they have to say. He might be weak politically, but he's still a breath of fresh air, even if it's only a gasp.

lalaboi:
When did naija turn a strictly HipHop country?

I taya ooh . . . my broda, even D'banj's hits are wack to these guys.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=569830.msg7359922#msg7359922 date=1292659424]I think it has to do with our very spiritual religious beliefs. But then I also notice that even in the US, blacks speak/sing about "haters" in almost the same breadth as we Nigerians talk about "enemies"[/quote]True that . . . my cousin's just turning five and she calls her mum a 'hater' for refusing to buy a particular brand of cereals.

It's socially constructed, the need to blame someone else for anything that happens, and it's partly natural human paranoia.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363774#msg7363774 date=1292707116]this woulda have been true 3 weeks ago but after hearing his new project, he is nowhere near the throne. i mean for a guy who spent most of his years in the continental usa, he should better. we both have ears. please explain the essence of the skits. granted, he was in a conversation with some kidnappers/bad guys. m.i. said he will triumph over them just to show that nigerians shouldn't give up their struggle to challenge our bad leaders. what is the correlation between m.i. and the bad guys and nigerians and their bad leaders? m.i's fans must be very dumb to accept that kind of discourse on an album. he should have made a documentary not chat poppycocks for one-third of an album making senseless conversation.[/quote]I can't comment on the skits . . . and if to you, the type of skits is what makes the difference between a talented artiste and a wack one, then I can't make any more comments.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363702#msg7363702 date=1292706416]you must have me mixed up with someone else. i am not sure i commented on jay-z's album or kanye. m.i. didn't deviate alittle. he completely turned 180 degrees with this nu joint and you gotta admit he miscued deviating after just one album. so what happens next? another deviation? in my opinion, m.i isn't really sure about what he wants to represent. he has no identity.[/quote]Hehehe . . . he had two albums and one mixtape . . . M.I, Talk About It and Illegal Music, loads of collabos and features, if that's not enough to change direction then what is??
He has no identity?? Meaning he has refused to stick with one style for decades like your favourite emcee.

Abegi . . . M.I is the most musically talented rapper in Nigeria, restricting himself to your type of music will be a waste.

honeric01:
^^^^^^

ok we don hear you

Hehehe . . . you don dey fear abi?? We'll increase it in March.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=557074.msg7363597#msg7363597 date=1292705671]eldee, you need to stop this your sugarcoatedness. every time a rapper has dropped a wack album, you are always quick to tell us the rapper has taken a new direction. you did that plenty of times with kanye west's love lockdown. an album that would make biggie and 2pac cringe in their graves. it's not new direction or new invention. it's wackness. m.i. miscued with this new album.and those skits were errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. that album is meant for kindergarten kids, not for your types. [/quote]Isn't there a trend in this, you guys have a type of music you consider good, any minor deviation is bad.
You did it with Jay-Z's Blueprint 3, all of Kanye's albums and now M.I. . . music is bigger than hiphop heads, the sooner you guys accept this the better.

honeric01:
Hehehehehe, just like i said, dream on bro lol, anyways 1: 5 to Barca already lol

Mark my word maynne . . . 3-0 to the Arsenal.

Haba . . . no one is joining me to threaten the Barca fans??

honeric01:
Hehehehe, nice try if this will make you sleep well till then

0:3 to Barca already, Espanyol, abeg make una just go rest joor

Hmmmn . . . I know you guys are scared already, good.
Because we're on a mission to destroy you like we did to Man City. . . I kuku get your Facebook, no just go try run.

I see it's gang up against Eldee day on the Music Section.
I do understand where y'all are coming from, this is not an album for the hiphop fan, and M.I stated his intentions clearly.
Is it as good as TAI?? I don't think so . . . subjective. I said that many times?? Is it a different direction?? Yes . . . I noted that earlier too.

Now does M.I anything to prove to hiphop fans?? No . . . 'if you like my old ish buy my old album'.
He's succeeded in bringing the average Nigerian to hiphop, now he's taking hiphop to them. . . 'Number One' is probably your dad's favourite song, so is 'My belle oh', and 'One Naira' is banging on your sister's I-pod. . . even the 'best' lines on the album were the funny ones.

You can't call a man a failure for setting his own goal and achieving it. . . this has done much more for hiphop music in Nigeria than any other album out there, yep, tell them I said it.

Now you say I'm not being objective, but you're the one ignoring the fact that Afro-pop is a genre in it's own right, and has different criteria from hiphop. You're the one ignoring the fact that good music can exist without TAI metaphors, you're the one ignoring the fact that this is one of the most focussed albums in terms of direction, you're the one ignoring the fact that this guy talked to the Jos residents and Niger Deltans in a way they'll actually want to listen.

The only other people that have attempted this are the Eldees and Sound Sultans . . . but we all know not of them has had this huge impact.
So you guys can talk all you want, I'm happy to see a 'truly Nigerian' Nigerian rapper using a Nigerian concept and making a huge statement to Nigerians.