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MaxInDHouse:
It's teachings that led to hatred nobody hate any group of worshipers because we are all humans.
So if you call the teaching of any group "FALSE" know that the teaching of your own church is also false to others therefore if your church is not hated for it's teaching then know that you have no unique teaching that makes you stand out!

So Deeper life teaching was unique that's why people hate them.

I thought it's only jws people hate for their teachings.

sonmvayina:
That's what I am asking..

Whose idea is it?

The God Almighty!

phorget:
Jeez! why the zigzag road? Cant they come up with a straight road?

I've seen people replying to your post but yet never answered you.

The reason why straight road can't be considered in such situation are many but I'll just highlight the most important ones.

1. Safety of road users: This has to deal with the road itself because a dangerous road won't be used by people. In road design, the slope of road shouldn't more than 5%. Which means for every 100m, the difference in the highest point and the lowest point shouldn't more than 5m high. In this particular road, doing straight road will see more than 20% slope which I'm very sure no engineer in the world can design a vehicle braking system that can catch up with it.

2. Cost: In road design, there's always what we called "Cut and Fill" and engineers always ensure that there's a minimum cut and fill to limit cost and to achieve at most 5% slope. In this particular road if straight road should be considered, the level of cut and fill will be too much and astronomically increased the project cost.

I think these two points can help!

Besides, not every where cut and fill can be applied, reason you see bridges and tunnels being constructed along roads. All these are still for the same reason to achieve at most 5% slope

FxMasterz:
Yes, you're right. Each church has its own distinguishing anomalies but the traits I discussed up there are peculiar to Deeper Life. There are canal people everywhere and in most cases, canal church members are always more than the spiritually minded. Deeper Life by default indirectly glorifies canality because for a long time, they upheld righteousness by works, and downplayed grace. That's why there's a high level of canality among them.

Even the congregations that capitalised on grace, their members still see that as avenue to since because they're under grace.

So my point is, Christ is for believers in him and not names of denominations.

MaxInDHouse:
Kumuyi wanted them to be separated from all other sects claiming denominations under the umbrella of Christendom like Jehovah's Witnesses

It's good as you recognise jws as part of Christendom

but he has no unique teaching to make them different

Yet you once accused Kumuyi of stealing jws works for teaching, watchtower has no unique teaching

so he told them they're the only BORN AGAIN Christian group that's why Deeperlifers often feel all other religions are going to hell.

Just Pastor Russell claimed him and 143,999 are BORN again while the rest will face the bombardment of Armageddon on earth.

It's just of recent that he started inviting people from other religions to come and MINISTER in his church but before then he taught his church members that those people aren't BORN AGAIN.

Watchtower did the same by claiming it's new light don't forget.

I laughed really hard the first time is saw a lady
with make-up and earrings in a billboard that Kumuyi the Deeperlifer man organized a program, the white lady is one of the invited ministers to officiate then musicians were also invited that's when it occurred to me that Mr Deeperlifer meant what he said that he's going to change some of his teachings.
But trust Nigerians nah some of those he's been deceiving for years began complaining about the sudden change!

But you didn't laugh so hard when realised that Watchtower once propagated Jesus as God and Herald of Jesus Christ.

The sect is just the same as all others

Since you can call Deeper life a sect, then do you agree that Watchtower is also a sect?

because they preach, sing and pray the same way others do

But I thought Kumuyi is using Watchtower template

it's only that Mr Kumuyi decided to lock them up in a box for years making them feel they're special in some ways!

Same thing jws is doing.

Lock you people's brain in a box and makes you think no denominations is in your class.

Pot calling kettle black...

FxMasterz:
Most Deeper Life people are very pretentious. They have only outward holiness but they usually fail when they're put to the test.

They don't love. They hardly give. If you ever live with them, they're always fighting you over one thing or the other. Their hypocrisy is immeasurable. There are a few who distinguish themselves but mostly, they're generally unfriendly people. Even among themselves in Church, they're full of scuffles. They never help themselves. Malice and backbiting are the order of the day. Always looking for the sins of others, meanwhile, you're also not living righteously. I am talking from experience. Their holiness is by self struggles, it's not the expression of an inner life. They're not easy to live with. They're very canal people.

All you wrote can be found in any gathering of people claiming to be follower of Christ!

That's why salvation which is the most paramount thing is limited to believing in the sacrificial work of Christ.

"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20:30-31

PROUDIGBO:
True, but there are still many constraints preventing south-east and south-southern states from flying as high as they can!

The only constraints here are the useless and greedy politicians!

helinues:
Gov Jackson Adeleke should be allowed to continue

So justice should not serve or what do you mean?

sonmvayina:
The idea that a human death is needed before forgiveness can happen?

Without shedding of blood there's no remission!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK!

Correct!

MaxInDHouse:
After all said and done you end up doing what you really wanted to do: abusive speeches!

Point out the abusive language in my post.

Hypocrite!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, the answer i gave is correct in the minds of millions across the globe

Then you should have limited your answer to them in their respective home or do I resemble any of them?

as they're making the best use of it and they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers with that answer! Isaiah 2:2-4

Good for them.

So if you know a better answer you can share it along with the result after it was PRACTICALLY APPLIED among adherents!

Delusional.

Did I ask you the question in the first place?

Ẹ̀lẹnu shọrọ̀

MaxInDHouse:
Your own answer might just be right for you so there's no need worrying over what others think on the topic.

As if I ask you in the first place

If you're not convinced that's no crime different sects with contradicting opinions!

You don't expect me to be convinced with that hogwash.

When you're ok provide the right answer!

MaxInDHouse:
Former Heavens: Human governments that has failed to make life sweet for their subjects with empty promises, they're like the heavens everyone is looking up to for a better living conditions.

Former Earth: Rebellious humans making it difficult for their leaders to provide a peaceful and loving neighbourhood.

New Heavens: God's own government made up of Jesus Christ and his 144,000 co-rulers, they will make this planet a Paradise for everyone living in it.

New Earth: One big and happy family of peace loving people redeemed through the sacrificial death of Christ Jesus, they will make up a peaceful world under the leadership of Jesus and his 144,000 brothers.

Gradually Jesus Christ and his angels are setting apart the New Earth as millions of peace obedient people (SHEEP) are separating themselves from rebellious ones (GOATS) to become part of God's organized people! Matthew 13:30 compare to 25:40, 46

Jehovah is gradually creating the New Heavens with BORN AGAIN Christian brothers of Christ Jesus while Jehovah called His worshipers by another group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" {Isaiah 65:15} New Earth is surfacing globally! Isaiah 65:17

Just see delusion everywhere

When you're alright, provide the accurate answer!

sonmvayina:
So is yaweh is he same as Allah?

You know the answer already.

Why does he need somebody to commit suicide before forgiveness...

Where did you read that from?

The God of the Jews never had that idea...

That's nice

Where did Christians get this idea from..

The idea that...?

LordReed:
They are not acting, they are reacting.

Which shows they received what their reacting to.

There is no intelligence to their reactions, they simply following chemical trails and reacting according to the chemical nature of their structures.

But the instructions are coded in there.

Neither the ovum or the sperm know anything they are simply work according to how they are put together.

Who out them together?

The ovum releases a chemical as soon as it enters the fallopian tube and protein receptor on the sperm are triggered by the chemical causing the sperm to follow the trail based on the concentration of chemicals in its environment.

Very nice!

Which means the sperm has ability to decode and that instructions are within its own cell.

It addresses your point completely since you seem to be arguing against the chemical nature of DNA and its interactions.

It didn't and I didn't argue against the chemical nature.

You started with an analogy of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Don't forget!

So chemical nature of DNA has instructions within themselves to carry out all the activities which many agree to be PROGRAMMED.

Which is a chemical reaction. The molecules making up the DNA bind with molecules from another set of DNA. There is no code or instructions beyond what those reactions cause.

You agree that a code or instructions arose from that.

A human sperm will not fertile goat ovum naturally. No foetus will be formed.

So you haven't heard a goat given birth to abnormal foetus before with something like human head or face?

What caused it?

They are only called instructions and code to simplify their interaction when presenting to laymen

Not at all! That's exactly what it is. It's a code and instructions.

because, if you have Hydrogen and oxygen coming together to become water without input of an intelligent being and during the process the water supposed to fill a bucket and cup. These two elements know when to produce a new one to produce water and STOP producing a new one when the bucket was full and move to the position of the cup and did the same thing. Then you'll understand it's beyond just ordinary chemical reaction.

Apologies, I meant to write instructions not signals.

Smile.....

LordReed:
No, chemical structures do not send or receive instructions.

Definitely!

They totally do.

Sperm cells, bacteria and other microscopic organisms use varying concentrations of chemicals in their environment -- concentration gradients -- to approach or avoid something in a process called chemotaxis. Egg cells release an attractant chemical, which lures the sperm. The researchers studied this action in Ascidia -- sea squirts, brainless tubular creatures, which are only mobile as larvae.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181115104608.htm

This is very funny

You forgot that these cells are unconscious living cells? But see them acting intelligently.

How does the egg know that sperm cell is around before releasing the chemical?

Sure the egg releases a chemical but the sperm cell knows exactly where it's going and what to do. As this process takes place at the far end of the fallopian tube.

It's not the chemical released by the egg that taught the sperm cell how to swim or inform the sperm cells how to increase its speed.

DNA is short for D eoxyribo N ucleic Acid clearly indicating it is a chemical structure. And the the thing you are calling code is just how it reacts to other chemicals based on the arrangement of the protein molecules,

Read more:
The chemical DNA was first discovered in 1869, but its role in genetic inheritance was not demonstrated until 1943. In 1953 James Watson and Francis Crick, aided by the work of biophysicists Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins, determined that the structure of DNA is a double-helix polymer, a spiral consisting of two DNA strands wound around each other. The breakthrough led to significant advances in scientists’ understanding of DNA replication and hereditary control of cellular activities.

Each strand of a DNA molecule is composed of a long chain of monomer nucleotides. The nucleotides of DNA consist of a deoxyribose sugar molecule to which is attached a phosphate group and one of four nitrogenous bases: two purines (adenine and guanine) and two pyrimidines (cytosine and thymine). The nucleotides are joined together by covalent bonds between the phosphate of one nucleotide and the sugar of the next, forming a phosphate-sugar backbone from which the nitrogenous bases protrude. One strand is held to another by hydrogen bonds between the bases; the sequencing of this bonding is specific—i.e., adenine bonds only with thymine, and cytosine only with guanine.

The configuration of the DNA molecule is highly stable, allowing it to act as a template for the replication of new DNA molecules, as well as for the production (transcription) of the related RNA (ribonucleic acid) molecule. A segment of DNA that codes for the cell’s synthesis of a specific protein is called a gene.

DNA replicates by separating into two single strands, each of which serves as a template for a new strand. The new strands are copied by the same principle of hydrogen-bond pairing between bases that exists in the double helix. Two new double-stranded molecules of DNA are produced, each containing one of the original strands and one new strand. This “semiconservative” replication is the key to the stable inheritance of genetic traits.
https://www.britannica.com/science/DNA

I don't need this long story, as this doesn't address my point.

The fusion of the 22 autosomes and X-Y chromosome where each chromosome knows exactly which one to align and fuse with is my point.

BTW the reason a human sperm will not interact with a goat's ovum

They fused (or going by word "interact" with each other.

If not a goat won't give birth to abnormal foetus when a man slept with it.

is because the DNA sequences are incompatible with one another thus they cannot react in the manner that will cause an embryo to form.

Yes! The instructions in their DNA are not compatible. Reason abnormal foetus will be delivered. But embryo will form.

The very DNA sequences is the instructions which tell each DNA how many times to replicate and when to stop replicating. All these instructions are programmed into the DNA.

So when a goat and human DNA come together the instructions will be distorted.

Remember, if this are just ordinary chemical reaction carried out by unconscious living cells there will always be a problem.

Maybe in a lab you can cause it to happen but it won't naturally.

You don't even need lab to know a human sperm cell can fertilised goat egg but the outcome will be very terrible.

They do not send or receive signals remember.

They do!

because you just agreed above that egg releases a chemical which the sperm cell will decode.

Is that not sending and receiving signal?

kkins25:
The male gamete breaks into the female gamete. So, technically speaking, since, the content of the male gametes fuses with that of the female gamete, lord-reed is not wrong.

So technically speaking, gametes don't fuse but the contents do.

This is a very complicated process and a difficult question. To say the other chromosome "locates" and aligns with its counterpart is the wrong presentation of this question.

very COMPLICATED PROCESS yet you said my presentation is wrong

unconscious living cells? explain

Ask reed himself, he first used that phrase.

sonmvayina:
So what is the story..

You know it, if not you won't talk about it

Don't you believe God sent jesus to die?

But you claimed it's SUICIDE

so your question should be: Do you believe God sent Jesus to commit suicide?

Sound like something Allah will do...

Well you said it!

LordReed:
I am not sure what you are trying to contest here. Is it that you don't think living cells are chemical structures

Chemical structure don't receive instructions or send either.

or that the gametes are "attracted" to one another because of chemicals

Yes! They don't ATTRACT to each other because of chemicals but follow the instructions sent to them.

or that DNA is a chemical structure that reacts with other chemical structures to produce the effects which we see.

DNA don't react with each other but fused and a new code is generated that caused effect we see.

I gave you example of human and goat.

If it's just ordinary chemical reaction, then when a human sperm come in contact with a goat, it should have produced perfect structure.

Which of these are you contesting?

What is the origin of the instructions cells received to build a structure?

LordReed:
Because they chemical based and by the nature of our physical universe these chemical reactions follow a pattern without the need for any conscious intervention.

Smile....
From cell to chemical

Meanwhile, it's beyond just that.

If you put hydrogen and oxygen together you will get water, you don't need to instruct the atoms on what to do.

If AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN puts Hydrogen and oxygen together under a SELECTIVE conditions (i.e in the laboratory). Don't forget that part.

Chimpanzee can't put Hydrogen and Oxygen together and in their habitation and get water.

Human sperm fertilising female goat egg won't come out in a reasonable structure even both are cells (or chemical reaction according to you).

You know why? because the instructions in their DNA to form goat or human are different.

Similarly the gametes will pair up because the underlying chemical reactions pave the way or are in effect, no instructions needed.

That means you don't know what you're talking about. The instructions needed are already stored in the DNA.

The 22 female autosomes perfectly aligned with the male 22 autosomes.

Then the X - Y chromosome which is responsible for sex will do the same without missing it.

After this alignment is when fusion takes place where a new code will form that will build what is us.

Try to watch some "conception to birth" videos to understand this miracle especially one by Alexander Tsiaras

You can start from this thread

LordReed:
You mean the fusion of the gametes?

Gametes don't fuse but the chromosomes do.

So how can each chromosome locate and align with exact other chromosome, if not because it was designed that way?

Aside from the decision to mate there is no other conscious decision being made.

I love this point, so if there's no conscious decision. How can this tiny tiny cells know exactly what to do in other to build what is us?

Yeah, all living cells do that.

Good which means this unconscious living cells know exactly what to do without any external input. How come?

LordReed:
I don't understand this question.

I mean the fusion that took place, who decided it?

Basic nutrients convert into energy.

By the foetus itself.

And as basic as they are they are considerable, ask any pregnant woman.

I know, but the foetus carries out the task.

kkins25:
You're wrong on all points. Principles of basic science have also been bastardized in ur weite up there.

His points are valid.

Or do you think both the sperm cell and egg aren't two invisible units?

jaephoenix:
Fallacy of the god of the gaps
You're really deficient in science.
Have you heard of DNA?

Nothing like deficient in science!

Besides, he made a good point.

DNA when considered in the process of conception is a strong argument for a creator not the other way round.

LordReed:
After a very considerable infusion of energy.

So who decided this VERY CONSIDERABLE infusion of energy?

I hope you don't think an embryo just grows without help and resources from the mother.

The only thing from the mother is the basic nutrients, the embryo comes prepared itself.

muyico:
JW didnt blived al dis?

That shows you Bible is not their standard.

sonmvayina:
I thought christian believe "god" sent jesus on s suicide mission ?

Thank God that it's your THOUGHT not the truth from the scripture.

Emir8:
Someone posted this question in a telegram group I'm part of.
Many people responded that whoever commits suicide is going to hell. However, I did a little research on it by asking Google. I was surprised to see in the articles written by foreign religious leaders that suicide doesn't take anyone to hell and they supported their views with a lot of verses from the Bible.

As a Nigerian, do you think suicide take anyone to hell?

The simple fact is that, who ever is in Christ can't commit suicide.

And only those who are of Christ will make heaven!

Janosky:
Emusan Carry your Mumu question to the Dustbin.
When will you receive SENSE?
Your comprehension skills is at nadir.

My question is mu-mu despite the fact that it was based on your own Bible verse reference.

Just say you can't answer my question and your lie was exposed.

Fact, children aren't God's enemies! Your religious leader lied against the scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just poised for blind arguments!

You asked question and he answered you correctly but as usual line.

If he poised for blind arguments then you are poised for complete outer darkness arguments

Janosky:
Continue WAILING
Attention seeking desperado.

Mr wailing

When will you take your brain back from KH?

But don't forget my question is still pending