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MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa He destroyed that city not just humans that's what He meant @ Jeremiah 7:31.

Olodo....
Jer 7:13 is about sacrificing human on altar

But God used fire to do that.

He said tormenting humans (alive) in fire has not come into His heart.

So the people burnt to death won't be torment before they got burnt to ashes

The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed along with all their properties, farmlands and domestic animals. So thinking God will now sustain humans in torment after death has destroyed their bodies is unscriptural!

As usual you lack simple comprehension.

Your initial point is that God can't torment people forever with fire but if God can use fire to destroyed a whole city, why can't God torment people with it?

That's where you left your brain.

If Jesus say he never came to condemn the prophets then i can't believe that what he said there is literal since no prophet has ever taught that the dead can experience anything! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

To condemned is different from enlighten.

Jesus elaborates more on Moses teachings.
Jesus clarified issues with old prophets teachings.

So you don't know what you're saying.

Besides, Eccl 9:5-10 is against you but I know you'll still change mouth.

Eccl 9:5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."

1. The dead has no further reward but you believe after you died Jehovah will reward you.
2. Their names are forgotten but you believe those who died and will be resurrected their names are in Jehovah memory.

Which side are you?

Janosky:
John 3:16, Jesus Christ see's everlasting life for JWs and destruction for evildoers but Emusan see's perpetual torture.
Emusan sadist.
Kai !!!!

So John 3:16 is for jws

Emusan Were you inside with them to know they gnashing their teeth till today?

Jesus who knows more than you says you and your cohort will be inside furnace of fire with gnashing teeth

Emusan,I thought God gave you brain but there is no evidence you have one.

For me to be replying shows I have brain but you forgot yours with those lying 8 men.

Empty RANTS of a deluded WAILER ;

Take your pain reliever Janosense.

Janosky:
MUMU ,empty RANT.
Dundee, only your brain dey see chicken for Nairaland.

Brain dead Janosense at it again.

MaxInDHouse:
There's nowhere in the Old Testament that say those destroyed are somewhere being tormented after death

But my point is God used fire on people

So why do you think the same God can't torment people with fire?

so Jesus was teaching in parables.

Of course the only twisting of jws, if it's not parable it will be figurative

At death the body (bones) of the dead routine in the grave so they can't possibly gnash teeth (bone)

You know more than Jesus

Janosky:
Fire destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

The city/ people no more exist, burnt to ashes, they did not experience everlasting torture.
Emusan, can you now RECEIVE SENSE?

Mr no sense has started again.

But the same God rained down fire on Sodom and Gomarrah.

How hard is it for you nuthead to understand that?

Janosky:
When Emusan is thrown into the burning furnace, will Emusan gnash his teeth forever?

Of course Emusan can't be part of that because he is born of God, the people the place suitable for are people like you and your lie lie jws.

When king Nebuchadnezzar's servants where thrown into the burning furnace (meant for Abednego & friends) are those servants gnashing their teeth today?

Were you inside with them to know they didn't gnashing their teeth?

Emusan,What did fire do to those servants?

The fire dressed them as king.

Hellfire scam robbed your brain.

Remember, you're the one who donated your brain for the lying 8 old men.

MaxInDHouse:
God killed those in Noah's days with a flood, killed the firstborn in Egypt, killed Egyptian soldiers in the red sea, killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers.
None says He was TORMENTING the living but destroyed them!

So your Jer 7:31 doesn't apply here then.

because no where in Jer 7:31 that says God won't torment people with fire.

But here is a direct statement from Jesus about torment with fire.

Matthew 13:50 "and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Was Jesus talking about the living or non existence being?

MaxInDHouse:
You keep telling yourself a lie blindly instead of finding out what Jesus taught in his mother's language. It's like someone speaking to his own people using idioms and proverbs familiar to his listeners then a stranger tries to interpret only to end up giving a totally different picture of what the original speaker wanted to inculcate in the minds of his listeners.
Well continue dreaming about your torment after death at least the true God has declared that tormenting people in fire has never come up to His heart {Jeremiah 7:31} perhaps you can force it down His throat since that is what your own religion teaches!

"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind." Jer 7:31

But the same God rained down fire on Sodom and Gomarrah. You think the fire won't torment the people before destroying them

Definitely you don't understand the content of that Jer 7:31

Janosky:
Whereas your fellow Trinitarians OLAADEGBU, Emusan continue to give a totally different conflicting report they received from your holy ghost.


Their own Jesus was raised as a human being. Them go quote Matt Slick tire, their super Daddy.

You were asked a very vital question, as usual you couldn't answer but to be dancing around like headless chicken.


When will you receive sense?

Cybertroll:
Tell me, what's your proof God exists? Kindly do so without quoting the Bible or Quran.

Thank you!

OAM4J

Kobokunkie
MaxInDHouse
TenQ
DtruthSpeaker

Try to watch this video "Conception_to_birth_--_visualized___Alexander_Tsiaras"

After that let's discuss!

Kobojunkie:
You are still struggling as far as comprehension of what Jesus Christ is telling you.

But the evidence of person who lacks simple comprehension here is you.

Jesus Christ said divorce was not allowed in the beginning — when God made the world. However, after man rejected God's teaching i.e. man fell — Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 — God not only washed His hands off marriage, but divorce then became an option in marriage. Hence the reason why in His Law of Moses, God granted the people divorce. I hope this is still not over your head cause I am done with this.

You're the one claiming someone add to the law of God but where did God say he washed his hands off marriage?

Yet after all these God still says "He hates Divorce"

Jesus Christ never said in His Law and Gospel that divorce is a sin, for good reason.

But he teaches that you can only divorce on sexual sin outside this can you divorce?

We do not live in the time of the beginning when God first created the world, but rather we continue to live in the world after man's fall — when God washed His hands off marriage entirely— and it is equally for this reason that the same Jesus Christ proclaimed that marriage is of the world and not of the Kingdom of God meaning God's judgment against marriage from the beginning remains intact even for those in the Kingdom of God(Law).

Where in the scripture did God told you He washed His hands off marriage?

My question you're still dodging is, outside sexual sin, can you divorce?

And if one divorce without sexual sin, what has happened?

You shove your own words into God's mouth when you add your own laws to His Law where He has commanded that no man do so.

At least I'm not the one, who says God has washed his hands off marriage.

Jesus Christ wasn't being foolish by not listing divorce as a sin in God's New Law. No, He in fact meant that it isn't sin even in God's New Law. You suggesting that it should amounts to adding to God's Law and that is antiChrist.

Can you divorce outside sexual sin?

Why are you dodging this simple question if you know what you're saying?

God says "He hates Divorce" when Jesus came, did God later say He now likes divorce?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ said that in reference to the beginning, before the fall of man- Matthew 19 vs 1 - 8 makes that clear since it was also the time when God made the world and still His hand in marriage. The beginning is a reference to when God made the world.

Which means DIVORCE was not ALLOWED by God.

That's the point of Jesus, did divorce do outside sexual sin a sin?

2. Jesus Christ never said this which you claim. Rather what He said is that Moses allowed men to divorce because men refused to accept God's teaching. Which of God's teachings did men refuse to accept? Care to guess?

Look at the @color

If men ACCEPTED God's teaching, would they divorce? Which means DIVORCE isn't what God endorsed. Definitely, divorce is a sin done outside sexual sin.

3. God says He hates divorce but the same God is recorded to have allowed divorce in His Old Covenant — recall that God is the one who gave His Law to the people of Israel through Moses and not that Moses came up with those laws on His own—, and even proclaimed of how He, at one point, divorced Israel — Jeremiah 3. Try to read passages in context so you can better understand what God is in fact saying to you.

Jesus has already clarified reason why God ALLOWED and Jesus point was that IT WASN'T LIKE THAT FROM THE BEGINNING which means DIVORCE is a sin reason why GOD HATES IT.

4. Keep your yoke to yourself because it is to blame for why you feel it is OK to add to God's Law a definition to sin that God Himself never included. The rule is "Do not add, remove or change any of that stipulated in God's Law". Suggesting, by way of these musings of your mind, that divorce ought to be a sin when Jesus Christ Himself never did stipulate it as such amounts to shoving your own rules into God's own mouth, what religion is known for.

Smile..
Who is adding to God's law btw me and you?

You quoted scripture where Jesus clarified the issue of divorce but you still went ahead to twist it.

Lastly, the scripture boldly says "God hates Divorce" is what God hate a sin or not?

The yoke of religion on you.

Kobojunkie:
These musings of yours aside, Jesus Christ never said anywhere in His Gospel teachings that divorce, in and of itself, is sin, so what part of that are you having a hard time comprehending?

Jesus Christ never in fact says anywhere in His Gospel that those who divorce are guilty of sin or of adultery. Understand that and you will maybe come close to realizing the needlessness of what you are going on about.

But Jesus said:


1. Divorce was not ALLOWED from beginning in His gospel.

2. Those who divorce are allowed because they didn't follow the TEACHING OF GOD in His gospel.

Lastly, God says "He hates Divorce" will Jesus contradict God on divorce issue?

You haven't answered this question, why?

The yoke of religion is on you.

Kobojunkie:
Is it that you can't read or what? Again, In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18
Jesus Christ never said anywhere in His Gospel teachings that divorce, in and of itself, is sin, so what part of that are you having a hard time comprehending?

Smile....see boldness in arrogance.

Jesus said Divorce was not ALLOWED from beginning.

Jesus said those who divorce are allowed because they didn't follow the TEACHING OF GOD.

lastly, God says "He hates Divorce" will Jesus contradict God on divorce issue?

The yoke of religion is on you.

Kobojunkie:
This is what results when you let religion turn your ability to reason upside down.

Yet you that didn't let religion turn your reasoning ability upside down couldn't make use of it.

In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18


Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.

You're the very one who cited all these verses and you can still make the @bold statement, so pathetic.

From the scripture you cited, we can infer that:
1. People who ACCEPT God's teaching aren't supposed to divorce because “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching." Question: is it a sin to reject God's teaching or not?

2. Divorce should not happen EXCEPT for sexual sin. So what happened when divorce is based on what is not sexual sin?

3. God says "He hates Divorce" - Malachi 2:16

So does doing what God hate is a sin or not?

Janosky:
Ok.

Yeah!

No.
Emusan is wrong.
My point is Scriptural & correct because Jesus Christ is led by the same holy spirit which inspired Ecclesiastics 9:5,10.

We're on your point that Jesus liking Death to sleep, so does a sleeping person conscious or not?

John 11:11-14
Did Jesus say Lazarus was conscious and moving in the grave before Jesus raised him?
No.

But you claimed Jesus liking Death to sleep.

So why are you contradicting yourself?

John 11:23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”
Jesus Christ says Emusan is wrong.
A conscious person has no need to rise.
Only the dead (asleep in death like Lazarus) will rise.

But you claimed Jesus liking Death to sleep.

Definitely you don't understand that Jesus statement.

Do someone who asleep conscious or not?

John 11:23, Jesus Christ confirming Lazarus was not conscious in the grave.

But you claimed Jesus liking Death to sleep.

Or is someone who sleep not conscious?

Ecclesiastes 9:5,19 & John 11:23 are inspired by holy spirit.
This doctrine is holy scriptures confirmed.

I know you can jump like kangaroo but focus on your point here.

Jesus liking Death to sleep

So does a sleeping person conscious or not?

And there's no confusion with God, so Jesus can't liking death to sleep when he knows a sleeping person is conscious within him/herself.

Janosky:
John 11:11-14.
"Then he said, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up.”

12 The disciples said, “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!” 13 They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died.

14 So he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead."

Right scripture!

Jesus Christ views death as sleep.

But the person who is asleep still conscious.

If Jesus truly views death as sleep then your below point is empty.

Sleeping persons in Hades (the grave) can not speak to themselves.

But sleeping person is conscious and move body parts.

Jesus said a parable NOT a factual event.

But every Jesus parable has reality connection.

Therefore your doctrine is a fraud.

Have you checked your own doctrine?

Bubu4Sea:
Their founder like RCCG, winners, HouseOnRock, Dunamis, Ibeyomie are all freemasons

Can you provide your facts like the OP is doing?

Jokanem:
Misconception: Jesus taught infant baptism by saying that the Kingdom belongs to young children.​—Matthew 19:13-​15; Mark 10:13-​16.

Fact: Jesus was not discussing baptism when he said those words. Instead, he was showing that those who would qualify for the Kingdom of God must be childlike​—meek and teachable. ​—Matthew 18:4; Luke 18:16, 17.

If those who are qualified for the kingdom of God should be CHILD-LIKE, how come your religious leader still claimed children are enemies of God?

sonmvayina:
Are you admitting that the Christians made it up..

And that it is paganism/human sacrifice which God forbids?

But you claimed you have Bible

sonmvayina:
I have...

I did not see any where it said so...

Can you point me to it...

I am still learning..

Since you can't see it then it's ok!

sonmvayina:
Can you show me where he said so in the old testament...I am waiting.

Show me where he said he would be sending his son to be killed as a sacrifice for sin..

To appease him...

And after 3 days he would rise ..

You have complete Bible, try to read it!

FreedomfromtheT:
I don't know what makes jws think that pastor Kumuyi and Deeper Life members are taking shine from them.

They're jealous of him.

because Kumuyi left Watchtower (according to them, which I don't know if it's true) and now has more members than the Watchtower which has been in existence since 1914.

It means Kumuyi work is more fruitful than Watchtower John 15:5

FreedomfromtheT:
Don't mind him.
Is this not the same jws member that accused pastor Kumuyi on this thread of allegedly telling his members that they are the only ones going to heaven, that others are going to hell.
Is that not false accusation and hate speech?
Is it not due to the teachings of Deeper Life that people term them 'extremists'?

That's what is called hypocrisy!

Speaking from both sides of the mouth.

He has even accused Kumuyi of stealing Watchtower teaching.

MaxInDHouse:
It's teachings that led to hatred nobody hate any group of worshipers because we are all humans.
So if you call the teaching of any group "FALSE" know that the teaching of your own church is also false to others therefore if your church is not hated for it's teaching then know that you have no unique teaching that makes you stand out!

So Deeper life teaching was unique that's why people hate them.

I thought it's only jws people hate for their teachings.

sonmvayina:
That's what I am asking..

Whose idea is it?

The God Almighty!

phorget:
Jeez! why the zigzag road? Cant they come up with a straight road?

I've seen people replying to your post but yet never answered you.

The reason why straight road can't be considered in such situation are many but I'll just highlight the most important ones.

1. Safety of road users: This has to deal with the road itself because a dangerous road won't be used by people. In road design, the slope of road shouldn't more than 5%. Which means for every 100m, the difference in the highest point and the lowest point shouldn't more than 5m high. In this particular road, doing straight road will see more than 20% slope which I'm very sure no engineer in the world can design a vehicle braking system that can catch up with it.

2. Cost: In road design, there's always what we called "Cut and Fill" and engineers always ensure that there's a minimum cut and fill to limit cost and to achieve at most 5% slope. In this particular road if straight road should be considered, the level of cut and fill will be too much and astronomically increased the project cost.

I think these two points can help!

Besides, not every where cut and fill can be applied, reason you see bridges and tunnels being constructed along roads. All these are still for the same reason to achieve at most 5% slope

FxMasterz:
Yes, you're right. Each church has its own distinguishing anomalies but the traits I discussed up there are peculiar to Deeper Life. There are canal people everywhere and in most cases, canal church members are always more than the spiritually minded. Deeper Life by default indirectly glorifies canality because for a long time, they upheld righteousness by works, and downplayed grace. That's why there's a high level of canality among them.

Even the congregations that capitalised on grace, their members still see that as avenue to since because they're under grace.

So my point is, Christ is for believers in him and not names of denominations.

MaxInDHouse:
Kumuyi wanted them to be separated from all other sects claiming denominations under the umbrella of Christendom like Jehovah's Witnesses

It's good as you recognise jws as part of Christendom

but he has no unique teaching to make them different

Yet you once accused Kumuyi of stealing jws works for teaching, watchtower has no unique teaching

so he told them they're the only BORN AGAIN Christian group that's why Deeperlifers often feel all other religions are going to hell.

Just Pastor Russell claimed him and 143,999 are BORN again while the rest will face the bombardment of Armageddon on earth.

It's just of recent that he started inviting people from other religions to come and MINISTER in his church but before then he taught his church members that those people aren't BORN AGAIN.

Watchtower did the same by claiming it's new light don't forget.

I laughed really hard the first time is saw a lady
with make-up and earrings in a billboard that Kumuyi the Deeperlifer man organized a program, the white lady is one of the invited ministers to officiate then musicians were also invited that's when it occurred to me that Mr Deeperlifer meant what he said that he's going to change some of his teachings.
But trust Nigerians nah some of those he's been deceiving for years began complaining about the sudden change!

But you didn't laugh so hard when realised that Watchtower once propagated Jesus as God and Herald of Jesus Christ.

The sect is just the same as all others

Since you can call Deeper life a sect, then do you agree that Watchtower is also a sect?

because they preach, sing and pray the same way others do

But I thought Kumuyi is using Watchtower template

it's only that Mr Kumuyi decided to lock them up in a box for years making them feel they're special in some ways!

Same thing jws is doing.

Lock you people's brain in a box and makes you think no denominations is in your class.

Pot calling kettle black...

FxMasterz:
Most Deeper Life people are very pretentious. They have only outward holiness but they usually fail when they're put to the test.

They don't love. They hardly give. If you ever live with them, they're always fighting you over one thing or the other. Their hypocrisy is immeasurable. There are a few who distinguish themselves but mostly, they're generally unfriendly people. Even among themselves in Church, they're full of scuffles. They never help themselves. Malice and backbiting are the order of the day. Always looking for the sins of others, meanwhile, you're also not living righteously. I am talking from experience. Their holiness is by self struggles, it's not the expression of an inner life. They're not easy to live with. They're very canal people.

All you wrote can be found in any gathering of people claiming to be follower of Christ!

That's why salvation which is the most paramount thing is limited to believing in the sacrificial work of Christ.

"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20:30-31

PROUDIGBO:
True, but there are still many constraints preventing south-east and south-southern states from flying as high as they can!

The only constraints here are the useless and greedy politicians!

helinues:
Gov Jackson Adeleke should be allowed to continue

So justice should not serve or what do you mean?