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sonmvayina:
The idea that a human death is needed before forgiveness can happen?

Without shedding of blood there's no remission!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK!

Correct!

MaxInDHouse:
After all said and done you end up doing what you really wanted to do: abusive speeches!

Point out the abusive language in my post.

Hypocrite!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, the answer i gave is correct in the minds of millions across the globe

Then you should have limited your answer to them in their respective home or do I resemble any of them?

as they're making the best use of it and they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers with that answer! Isaiah 2:2-4

Good for them.

So if you know a better answer you can share it along with the result after it was PRACTICALLY APPLIED among adherents!

Delusional.

Did I ask you the question in the first place?

Ẹ̀lẹnu shọrọ̀

MaxInDHouse:
Your own answer might just be right for you so there's no need worrying over what others think on the topic.

As if I ask you in the first place

If you're not convinced that's no crime different sects with contradicting opinions!

You don't expect me to be convinced with that hogwash.

When you're ok provide the right answer!

MaxInDHouse:
Former Heavens: Human governments that has failed to make life sweet for their subjects with empty promises, they're like the heavens everyone is looking up to for a better living conditions.

Former Earth: Rebellious humans making it difficult for their leaders to provide a peaceful and loving neighbourhood.

New Heavens: God's own government made up of Jesus Christ and his 144,000 co-rulers, they will make this planet a Paradise for everyone living in it.

New Earth: One big and happy family of peace loving people redeemed through the sacrificial death of Christ Jesus, they will make up a peaceful world under the leadership of Jesus and his 144,000 brothers.

Gradually Jesus Christ and his angels are setting apart the New Earth as millions of peace obedient people (SHEEP) are separating themselves from rebellious ones (GOATS) to become part of God's organized people! Matthew 13:30 compare to 25:40, 46

Jehovah is gradually creating the New Heavens with BORN AGAIN Christian brothers of Christ Jesus while Jehovah called His worshipers by another group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" {Isaiah 65:15} New Earth is surfacing globally! Isaiah 65:17

Just see delusion everywhere

When you're alright, provide the accurate answer!

sonmvayina:
So is yaweh is he same as Allah?

You know the answer already.

Why does he need somebody to commit suicide before forgiveness...

Where did you read that from?

The God of the Jews never had that idea...

That's nice

Where did Christians get this idea from..

The idea that...?

LordReed:
They are not acting, they are reacting.

Which shows they received what their reacting to.

There is no intelligence to their reactions, they simply following chemical trails and reacting according to the chemical nature of their structures.

But the instructions are coded in there.

Neither the ovum or the sperm know anything they are simply work according to how they are put together.

Who out them together?

The ovum releases a chemical as soon as it enters the fallopian tube and protein receptor on the sperm are triggered by the chemical causing the sperm to follow the trail based on the concentration of chemicals in its environment.

Very nice!

Which means the sperm has ability to decode and that instructions are within its own cell.

It addresses your point completely since you seem to be arguing against the chemical nature of DNA and its interactions.

It didn't and I didn't argue against the chemical nature.

You started with an analogy of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Don't forget!

So chemical nature of DNA has instructions within themselves to carry out all the activities which many agree to be PROGRAMMED.

Which is a chemical reaction. The molecules making up the DNA bind with molecules from another set of DNA. There is no code or instructions beyond what those reactions cause.

You agree that a code or instructions arose from that.

A human sperm will not fertile goat ovum naturally. No foetus will be formed.

So you haven't heard a goat given birth to abnormal foetus before with something like human head or face?

What caused it?

They are only called instructions and code to simplify their interaction when presenting to laymen

Not at all! That's exactly what it is. It's a code and instructions.

because, if you have Hydrogen and oxygen coming together to become water without input of an intelligent being and during the process the water supposed to fill a bucket and cup. These two elements know when to produce a new one to produce water and STOP producing a new one when the bucket was full and move to the position of the cup and did the same thing. Then you'll understand it's beyond just ordinary chemical reaction.

Apologies, I meant to write instructions not signals.

Smile.....

LordReed:
No, chemical structures do not send or receive instructions.

Definitely!

They totally do.

Sperm cells, bacteria and other microscopic organisms use varying concentrations of chemicals in their environment -- concentration gradients -- to approach or avoid something in a process called chemotaxis. Egg cells release an attractant chemical, which lures the sperm. The researchers studied this action in Ascidia -- sea squirts, brainless tubular creatures, which are only mobile as larvae.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181115104608.htm

This is very funny

You forgot that these cells are unconscious living cells? But see them acting intelligently.

How does the egg know that sperm cell is around before releasing the chemical?

Sure the egg releases a chemical but the sperm cell knows exactly where it's going and what to do. As this process takes place at the far end of the fallopian tube.

It's not the chemical released by the egg that taught the sperm cell how to swim or inform the sperm cells how to increase its speed.

DNA is short for D eoxyribo N ucleic Acid clearly indicating it is a chemical structure. And the the thing you are calling code is just how it reacts to other chemicals based on the arrangement of the protein molecules,

Read more:
The chemical DNA was first discovered in 1869, but its role in genetic inheritance was not demonstrated until 1943. In 1953 James Watson and Francis Crick, aided by the work of biophysicists Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins, determined that the structure of DNA is a double-helix polymer, a spiral consisting of two DNA strands wound around each other. The breakthrough led to significant advances in scientists’ understanding of DNA replication and hereditary control of cellular activities.

Each strand of a DNA molecule is composed of a long chain of monomer nucleotides. The nucleotides of DNA consist of a deoxyribose sugar molecule to which is attached a phosphate group and one of four nitrogenous bases: two purines (adenine and guanine) and two pyrimidines (cytosine and thymine). The nucleotides are joined together by covalent bonds between the phosphate of one nucleotide and the sugar of the next, forming a phosphate-sugar backbone from which the nitrogenous bases protrude. One strand is held to another by hydrogen bonds between the bases; the sequencing of this bonding is specific—i.e., adenine bonds only with thymine, and cytosine only with guanine.

The configuration of the DNA molecule is highly stable, allowing it to act as a template for the replication of new DNA molecules, as well as for the production (transcription) of the related RNA (ribonucleic acid) molecule. A segment of DNA that codes for the cell’s synthesis of a specific protein is called a gene.

DNA replicates by separating into two single strands, each of which serves as a template for a new strand. The new strands are copied by the same principle of hydrogen-bond pairing between bases that exists in the double helix. Two new double-stranded molecules of DNA are produced, each containing one of the original strands and one new strand. This “semiconservative” replication is the key to the stable inheritance of genetic traits.
https://www.britannica.com/science/DNA

I don't need this long story, as this doesn't address my point.

The fusion of the 22 autosomes and X-Y chromosome where each chromosome knows exactly which one to align and fuse with is my point.

BTW the reason a human sperm will not interact with a goat's ovum

They fused (or going by word "interact" with each other.

If not a goat won't give birth to abnormal foetus when a man slept with it.

is because the DNA sequences are incompatible with one another thus they cannot react in the manner that will cause an embryo to form.

Yes! The instructions in their DNA are not compatible. Reason abnormal foetus will be delivered. But embryo will form.

The very DNA sequences is the instructions which tell each DNA how many times to replicate and when to stop replicating. All these instructions are programmed into the DNA.

So when a goat and human DNA come together the instructions will be distorted.

Remember, if this are just ordinary chemical reaction carried out by unconscious living cells there will always be a problem.

Maybe in a lab you can cause it to happen but it won't naturally.

You don't even need lab to know a human sperm cell can fertilised goat egg but the outcome will be very terrible.

They do not send or receive signals remember.

They do!

because you just agreed above that egg releases a chemical which the sperm cell will decode.

Is that not sending and receiving signal?

kkins25:
The male gamete breaks into the female gamete. So, technically speaking, since, the content of the male gametes fuses with that of the female gamete, lord-reed is not wrong.

So technically speaking, gametes don't fuse but the contents do.

This is a very complicated process and a difficult question. To say the other chromosome "locates" and aligns with its counterpart is the wrong presentation of this question.

very COMPLICATED PROCESS yet you said my presentation is wrong

unconscious living cells? explain

Ask reed himself, he first used that phrase.

sonmvayina:
So what is the story..

You know it, if not you won't talk about it

Don't you believe God sent jesus to die?

But you claimed it's SUICIDE

so your question should be: Do you believe God sent Jesus to commit suicide?

Sound like something Allah will do...

Well you said it!

LordReed:
I am not sure what you are trying to contest here. Is it that you don't think living cells are chemical structures

Chemical structure don't receive instructions or send either.

or that the gametes are "attracted" to one another because of chemicals

Yes! They don't ATTRACT to each other because of chemicals but follow the instructions sent to them.

or that DNA is a chemical structure that reacts with other chemical structures to produce the effects which we see.

DNA don't react with each other but fused and a new code is generated that caused effect we see.

I gave you example of human and goat.

If it's just ordinary chemical reaction, then when a human sperm come in contact with a goat, it should have produced perfect structure.

Which of these are you contesting?

What is the origin of the instructions cells received to build a structure?

LordReed:
Because they chemical based and by the nature of our physical universe these chemical reactions follow a pattern without the need for any conscious intervention.

Smile....
From cell to chemical

Meanwhile, it's beyond just that.

If you put hydrogen and oxygen together you will get water, you don't need to instruct the atoms on what to do.

If AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN puts Hydrogen and oxygen together under a SELECTIVE conditions (i.e in the laboratory). Don't forget that part.

Chimpanzee can't put Hydrogen and Oxygen together and in their habitation and get water.

Human sperm fertilising female goat egg won't come out in a reasonable structure even both are cells (or chemical reaction according to you).

You know why? because the instructions in their DNA to form goat or human are different.

Similarly the gametes will pair up because the underlying chemical reactions pave the way or are in effect, no instructions needed.

That means you don't know what you're talking about. The instructions needed are already stored in the DNA.

The 22 female autosomes perfectly aligned with the male 22 autosomes.

Then the X - Y chromosome which is responsible for sex will do the same without missing it.

After this alignment is when fusion takes place where a new code will form that will build what is us.

Try to watch some "conception to birth" videos to understand this miracle especially one by Alexander Tsiaras

You can start from this thread

LordReed:
You mean the fusion of the gametes?

Gametes don't fuse but the chromosomes do.

So how can each chromosome locate and align with exact other chromosome, if not because it was designed that way?

Aside from the decision to mate there is no other conscious decision being made.

I love this point, so if there's no conscious decision. How can this tiny tiny cells know exactly what to do in other to build what is us?

Yeah, all living cells do that.

Good which means this unconscious living cells know exactly what to do without any external input. How come?

LordReed:
I don't understand this question.

I mean the fusion that took place, who decided it?

Basic nutrients convert into energy.

By the foetus itself.

And as basic as they are they are considerable, ask any pregnant woman.

I know, but the foetus carries out the task.

kkins25:
You're wrong on all points. Principles of basic science have also been bastardized in ur weite up there.

His points are valid.

Or do you think both the sperm cell and egg aren't two invisible units?

jaephoenix:
Fallacy of the god of the gaps
You're really deficient in science.
Have you heard of DNA?

Nothing like deficient in science!

Besides, he made a good point.

DNA when considered in the process of conception is a strong argument for a creator not the other way round.

LordReed:
After a very considerable infusion of energy.

So who decided this VERY CONSIDERABLE infusion of energy?

I hope you don't think an embryo just grows without help and resources from the mother.

The only thing from the mother is the basic nutrients, the embryo comes prepared itself.

muyico:
JW didnt blived al dis?

That shows you Bible is not their standard.

sonmvayina:
I thought christian believe "god" sent jesus on s suicide mission ?

Thank God that it's your THOUGHT not the truth from the scripture.

Emir8:
Someone posted this question in a telegram group I'm part of.
Many people responded that whoever commits suicide is going to hell. However, I did a little research on it by asking Google. I was surprised to see in the articles written by foreign religious leaders that suicide doesn't take anyone to hell and they supported their views with a lot of verses from the Bible.

As a Nigerian, do you think suicide take anyone to hell?

The simple fact is that, who ever is in Christ can't commit suicide.

And only those who are of Christ will make heaven!

Janosky:
Emusan Carry your Mumu question to the Dustbin.
When will you receive SENSE?
Your comprehension skills is at nadir.

My question is mu-mu despite the fact that it was based on your own Bible verse reference.

Just say you can't answer my question and your lie was exposed.

Fact, children aren't God's enemies! Your religious leader lied against the scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just poised for blind arguments!

You asked question and he answered you correctly but as usual line.

If he poised for blind arguments then you are poised for complete outer darkness arguments

Janosky:
Continue WAILING
Attention seeking desperado.

Mr wailing

When will you take your brain back from KH?

But don't forget my question is still pending

Janosky:
Children of God's anger, all of Una ,carry una Mumu komot from this forum.
Is Psalm 58:3 ,Ephesians 2:3 & Genesis 7:20-23 in your Bible?

As usual never contribute anything meaningful to a thread.

Very empty upstair

Are children enemies of God? Jws Yes!

Will stillbirth/miscarriage babies be resurrected? Jws, we don't know, since Bible didn't come out straight on this.

Speaking from both side of the mouth

Kobojunkie:

Better best!!!

Kobojunkie:
Are you high or something?

That question should be thrown to you!

For simply lack simple comprehension

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! Those verses were presented in response to your claim that no contradictions exist between the Law of God in the Kingdom of God — Jesus Christ — and the views shared by Paul in his epistles.

Yes! I still maintain that no contradiction exist there.

The point Jesus was making is a straight forward one that even a primary pupil will understand.

Kobojunkie:
Rejecting the evidence and Truth right in front of you amounts to endorsing lies.
Again, Paul's claims...

But you provided the same verse which I responded to.

My point again!!!

Very funny...

Don't tell me you don't understand Paul's point and Christ message in those verses.

In the same chapter Christ says "“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’" ... "And you should not be called ‘Master.’"

But rounded up His statement by saying "People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great"

The point Jesus is making is self-explanatory there.

Kobojunkie:
Liar!
Again.... Paul's claims...
A.
B.
...versus Jesus Christ
A.

Can you point to my lie

Here again...

Very funny...

Don't tell me you don't understand Paul's point and Christ message in those verses.

In the same chapter Christ says "“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’" ... "And you should not be called ‘Master.’"

But rounded up His statement by saying "People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great"

The point Jesus is making is self-explanatory there.

Kobojunkie:
Paul's claims...
A.
B.
...versus Jesus Christ
A.

Very funny...

Don't tell me you don't understand Paul's point and Christ message in those verses.

In the same chapter Christ says "“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’" ... "And you should not be called ‘Master.’"

But rounded up His statement by saying "People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great"

The point Jesus is making is self-explanatory there.

Jokanem:
Why is a person born again?

Jesus said: “Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.” (John 3:3)

So being born again prepares a person to rule with Christ in God’s Kingdom.

But this contradict your definition above.

Besides, Jesus said "Unless ANYONE..."

So how come "... cannot see the Kingdom of God" later change to "prepare a person to rule with Christ in God's kingdom"?

Also, the kingdom of God will still be on earth, so how come non-born again persons will still enter God's kingdom?

Jesus was thus born again by holy spirit as a son of God with the hope of returning to life in heaven. (Mark 1:​9-​11) God fulfilled this hope by resurrecting Jesus as a spirit creature.​—Acts 13:33.

But Jesus returned to life ON EARTH and not in heaven.

Others who are born again are also baptized in water before they receive the holy spirit.(Acts 2:​38, 41) They then have the sure hope of life in heaven, which God will fulfill in the resurrection.​—1 Corinthians 15:42-​49.

But Watchtower claimed those who will rule with Christ has started resurrecting since 1914

That second group of Christians have the opportunity to live forever in Paradise on earth.​—Psalm 37:29; Matthew 6:​9, 10; Revelation 21:​1-5.

However, God chooses those who will be born again, or anointed with holy spirit.

If God is the one who chooses those who are born again, them Jesus statement of "Unless ANYONE is born again" is of no use.

Jesus would have openly told the man.

According to the Bible, being born again “depends, not on a person’s desire or on his effort, but on God.” (Romans 9:​16)

According to your explanation, being born again is to be baptized with water and Holy spirit.

Yet all believers are baptized by water and are born from God. 1 John 3:9

So definitely, all believers are born again.

The expression “born again” can also be rendered “born from above,” confirming that the selection of those who are born again comes “from above,” or from God.​—John 3:3.

This confirms that you don't read your Bible, all believers are BORN FROM GOD. 1 John 3:9, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 John 2:29, 1 John 5:1