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Kobojunkie:
1. I never set out to affirm the claim, mind you, as it mattered little to me whether they did or not. Again, when it comes to Jesus Christ, what matters is obedience to His teachings and commandments — that is what those who love Him do ALWAYS.

Did apostles congragate or not?

You want to deny what's inside the very Bible you hold.

2. I don't know of any law which bars Jesus Christ from offering up in a vision, messages to those in certain locations. What I do know however is the same Jesus Christ made clear that the Kingdom of God is not by location, so wherever you are is where His Kingdom and connection to you is. As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ warned His followers against paying heed to men who would come claiming that God or even the Messiah is to be found at a certain location or place.
God is not found in your church buildings or your locations.

But Jesus wrote letters to the seven churches and we know early believers congregated.

3. For the umpteenth time, those who love Jesus Christ are those who trust and obey His teachings and commandments. And Yes, the sheep are born-agains whom Jesus Christ assigned His followers to feed and care for(literally) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 40.

So the early apostles and believers don't trust and obey Jesus teaching and commandments.

Just say you know more than the very Jesus apostles who walked with Jesus.

4. But Jesus Christ never said "Trust and obey my disciples or followers." He was insistent that you trust and obey Him and only Him. So? I am not sure why you keep lifting the servant up as if to replace the master when Jesus Christ assured you that the servant is not greater than the master - John 13:16 & John 15:20.

But Jesus chooses them, He appeared to them after resurrection.

So you can't know more than the early apostles of Jesus Himself who walked with Him side by side.

And from the scripture, the shepherds are the believers.

achorladey:
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From the fingers and mouth of the same person who told us his Jehovah cursed the name Christian since it was bastardized and gave them a new one

Many problems for insanities peddling peddler

Can you imagine that?

Maybe Jehovah has purified the name again, you know they don't fail to see new light

MaxInDHouse:
@ crows2ravens i'm only interested in you so if you feel we should end the conversation let me know.

@crows2ravens I just want to inform you that this lying JWs said Holy Spirit told him that I Emusan is the same person with @Johnw47 & @OLAADEGBU here on Nairaland.

Just know that Holy Spirit of God who is the spirit of truth can't lie or inspired lies.

As I Emusan never operates 2 not to talk of 3 accounts since I joined Nairaland over 10 years ago.

So just know the spirit who lives in someone who can lie against the Holy Spirit of God.

MaxInDHouse:
The Catholic Church has nothing common with the first century Christian congregation!

But it's the same Catholic that formulated the name "Jehovah" you're using today

It was after the death of Jesus' apostles that Satan established the Roman Catholic Church using the apostates that left the faith due to the way the apostles protected the congregation not allowing members to venture into politics.

So Jesus failed to fulfill His promise of Matt 28:20 "and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

MindHacker9009:
Okay question number
1. Why did Jesus appear during the time of Roman occupation of Isreal when Rome took the Jews away as slaves?
2. Why is the capital of Christianity in Rome and not Isreal?
3. Why were the sites of Jesus Christ discovered 300 years after his ministry?
4. Why does the New Testament say: Slaves obey and fear your earthly master like they should fear Christ, when slaves are treated better in the Old Testament.
Should the New Testament not say that those keeping slaves are going to hell?

All the questions he asked you, you couldn't provide just one single answer only for you to use questions to answer questions

Na wa ooo

Kobojunkie:
1. First thing first, Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He commands — not even as He did. So, if you are asking me whether Jesus Christ called you to do as the disciples were written to have done, then I suggest you explain to yourself who your true master is.

At least you can't deny that the early apostles who actually the ones Jesus Himself picked congregated.

I love that.

2. Jesus Christ told you that the Kingdom of God — God's special Nation of Priests — is inside of you and all around you, so why are you going off looking for a place to find it at?

Jesus wrote letters to the seven churches in Revelation

If there's no congregation, how could Jesus do that?

3. The command "Feed my Sheep" was in reference to the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven Matthew 25 vs 31 - 40 which Jesus Christ promised to give to Peter and His other disciples.

"So guard yourselves and God’s people. Feed and shepherd God’s flock—his church, purchased with his own blood[h]—over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you as leaders." Acts 20:28

The sheep are actually people in Christ.

4. Again, you would have to ask Paul why he supposedly wrote what he did. I obey Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ made clear that He alone is a Teacher, Shepherd, Master/Head, Authority/Leader, and Helper to all who belong to Him. Jesus Christ is my Lord and so to Him alone I heed.

Paul received His writtens from Christ.

Or you don't believe Christ Himself chosen Paul?

5. An antichrist is simply one who rejects the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ all while using the same name of Jesus Christ to offer up alternative views/interpretations and ideas to counter that directly contravene Jesus Christ Himself. An Antichrist is an enemy on the inside kind of like the false teachers and false prophets, and their gullible followers.

But this is you in picture.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never said the number of casualties during wars will determine the sign of the end rather he gave us a composite sign:

There will be wars, food shortages, pestilences, false prophets spreading false religious beliefs everywhere, lawlessness that will make many become faithless (atheists), betrayal even among Jesus' true disciples and the preaching of the good news of God's Kingdom will be well organized throughout the earth as a group is zealously and industriously campaigning for God's Kingdom globally! Matthew 24:7-14

And all this started from 1914

So when we say 1914 there has never been a time on this planet that the composite sign is noticed globally as written in that Bible book!

This shows that 1914 was ignorantly chosen by your leaders and has nothing to do with scripture.

Are you saying Jesus failed to organize his group and equip them for the work his assigned to them?

Jesus didn't rather we see example of how Jesus treated every one claiming to belong to Him in Revelation and Jesus Himself said "the wheat and the tares should grow together" Mat 13:29-30

Because if all the religions today are talking about the end of badness surely they're seeing some signs and Jesus can't be unaware or feel unconcerned, surely he must be doing something right now since he said:

"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:20

But you agree Jesus was not with anybody and forgot this statement the period shortly after the death of early Christians till 1914 when He chooses your organisation leaders

Do you think Jesus has given up on what he prayed fervently and suffered to commission? John 17:20-23

You agreed He did.

If not are there true believers in Christ before Pastor Russell started Watchtower late 80's that later became JWs today?

Aemmyjah:
We are talking A, you are talking Z. What is the need of interacting with someone who has never contributed anything meaningful to this forum?
Keep wailing

Of course has anyone contributed anything meaningful aside your brothers on this forum?

Kobojunkie:
1. The religion of Christianity and its church businesses have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ of the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ never gave any man permission to congregate churches using His name in the manner of your churches, nor did He give any man permission to sit as teachers/shepherds/authority/leader/head/master, etc. over his sheep. In addition, Jesus Christ made clear that the doctrines and traditions of men upon which your churches are founded are lies that drive men away from the Truth of God, nullifying the power of God while rendering the worship of God in vain.

But the early apostles of Jesus Christ congregated, are you saying they are wrong?

2. The kingdom of God which Jesus Christ spoke of is not found in your churches. Rather He also described it as being inside of, and all around those who are born-again — those who have gained citizenship in it. And as Jesus Christ explained by way of the parable, while his invitation is to all sinners to enter into the Kingdom of God, not all those sinners who become born-again will turn out wheat(sheep), some of them are tares(goats) who will do the will of the enemy while using the name of God to do it. This is the only Church that matters as far as Jesus Christ. All other definitions or ideas of churches have nothing to do with God nor mean anything as far as God.

So where can we find this church today or it doesn't exist anymore?

3. Churches are rather filled to the brim with tares, in this case, I am afraid. No one who loves Jesus Christ — submits and obeys His teachings and commandments alone — would at the same time submit to or obey the leading of any man. Jesus Christ was clear that He alone takes full charge of those who belong to Him.

1. He told Peter three times "Feed my sheep"
2. Apostle Paul talks about different ministerial positions commission by the Holy Spirit.

4. Salvation is, I am afraid, up to the individual and not up to the will or opinion of a "we". Individuals need to decide for themselves whether their desire is for God or rather a group to belong to.

Afraid of what?

5. Yet again, an antichrist resolution.

What's different between your position and that of antichrist?

MaxInDHouse:
All human governments are the same!

Including your Governing Body don't forget that part

Aemmyjah:
It's needless using terms and dates that are unfamiliar to your listeners to avoid confusion, shock or misinterpretation. If we're advised to do so even when giving a talk on the platform or any assignment, how much more to those who don't understand this things at all

If you can decode that lie because Jesus Himself says "No one knows the time except the Father"

Jws: Jesus returned in 1914
Me: How did you know when Christ says No one knows?

Jws: From the scripture
Me: Can you quote the place.

Jws: Actually, it's the prophecy of Daniel
Me: So you mean Jesus didn't know about the prophecy before He declared that ONLY the Father knows?

JWs: Silent mode.
Me: Beside that, you said when Jesus returned in 1914 He searched around the world and couldn't find any worthy religion except some Bible students?

Jws: You're correct!
Me: So who was following Jesus upon and down to know about this?

Jws: I can't say, but it's true
Me: Waooo if you can't say, then how do you know it's true?

Jws: Silent mode...
Me: Also, who heard Jesus speaking when He pronounced the chosen of the Bible students as His ONLY group?

JWs: Nobody!
Me: Was it through revelation?

JWs: No!
Me: So Jesus chooses them without anybody heard Him speaking or receiving the revelation.

Jws: Emmmm..... it's just that the Bible students were convinced that they were chosen.
Me: Waooo so anybody can also claimed to be convinced either, right?

Jws: No! It must....(me cut in)
Me: It mustn't be anything. You stated at the beginning that Jesus returned in 1914 and chooses them, so how can Jesus choose people without hearing His voice or receiving it through revelation? It means they don't know who chooses them.

At this time both of us are mute!

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody can be saved without belonging to the church {Hebrews 10:24-26}

A statement from the pit of hell

Here is Heb 10:24-26 "Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. 25 And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near. 26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins."

Salvation is based on believing in Christ Jesus

but then you must distinguish between Jesus' one and only church and the rest of Satan's agents claiming denominations under one umbrella. Revelations 17:1, 15 compare to Isaiah 57:20;

But just didn't give you that assignment Instead Jesus says "Let the tares and wheat grow together" Mat 13:29-30

So Jesus has returned in the year 1914

No one knows the date even the son of his time of coming except the Father.

and the separation work started that same year as he sent his angels to go picking faithful people who are lost in Satan's deception and gather them into one religion {Matthew 13:30} as for those who just attend any religion carelessly yet claiming they're Christians when they can see that there is contradictions in what the churches are teaching

At least you can point to one or two contradictions in your organisation.

surely they love iniquity so Jesus will condemn them {Matthew 7:21-23} and their destruction will be due to the fact that they never make out time to find out why there is contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines under the same (mother) religion! Jeremiah 51:13

So anyone who doesn't belong to JWs loves iniquity when you also claimed that whatever can be found in the people teaching contradictory teachings can be found in the kingdom hall of yours

Aemmyjah:
You're talking nonsense

So I'm the one talking nonsense when actually it's your organisation that says the name Christianity is polluted reason why your god gave them a new name.

That's what happens when someone is following the tradition of men.

Aemmyjah:
We are the real Christians
Not counterfeit as we see all around

So you people are Christians now but when it suits you the name Christianity has been polluted and your god gave you a new name.

So you lay claim on the polluted name.

MaxInDHouse:
JWs the one and only Christian organization!

Jehovah's Witnesses: The one and only group practicing Christianity!

JWs aren't CHRISTIANS because the name "Christianity" has been polluted by the Christendom which is the reason why your god gave you a new name.

Why are you forcing the name on your organisation again after your god has given a new name?

Lying liar JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's obvious you're the same person you just switch over when i decided to ignore your main account!

Ah ah your holy spirit has confirmed it again

MaxInDHouse:
Well if you're not Johnw47

But you once claimed on this forum that your holy spirit told you that Emusan is the same as Johnw47. This one you're using "IF", your holy spirit don give new light?

please tell him to stop trailing me after all i have no business with him just as you have said!

What happened to pressing your ignore button.

Oh I forgot, you much sha find someone to argue with even if you swear with Jehovah, you must still go back to your vomit.

That's why i called him a mad churchgoer, church preachers don't follow a person up and down simply because his religion differ nah.

That's why I'm just reminding you now so that later you won't come back to start claiming Saint who has never use DEROGATORY REMARKS on this forum.

So why is he trailing me up and down the forum when my God and his God aren't same?

I guess you're twisting his God's words and he wants to expose your lies.

Just as you try to prove an Atheist, Muslims or anybody wrong when they say what you don't like about Jws.

MaxInDHouse:
What do you call someone who keeps trailing a preacher up and down with abusive speeches

Well I'm just pointing it out so that you won't come later to be claiming Saint.

but friendly with the one who said Jesus is a myth yet the idiot claims he's a believer in Christ?
Well you're not different if you're not even the same person!

When did Seun make you a decider of who to relate with on this forum?

You choose who you relate with so allow everyone to do as well.

Even your organisation leaders are friendly with UN & many bodies which they know they benefited from.

MaxInDHouse:
Mad churchgoer!
Henceforth i won't reply you idiot again!

Ah ah very soon you'll be acting like someone who doesn't abuse people online.

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Kobojunkie:
Actually, the brain can be switched on and off.

So switch yours on now because you forgot you've switch it off

Even the wise/intelligent(on) are capable of doing, or subscribing, to foolish(off) things.

Don't digress stay on the subject matter.

Kobojunkie:
You are desperate to twist my words into aligning with your delusion abi?

This is from your own mouth: "As I said, I have yet to see the Light from anyone out there so, a more sensible conclusion would be that the Gospel has yet to reach the ends of the earth."

If you haven't seen the light FROM ANYONE OUT THERE and you're the ONLY ONE WHO ACCEPT and OBEY Christ Gospel, doesn't that mean you're the only one in the whole world?

Use your brain!

Do you switch yours on always?

If the Gospel has yet to reach even the little village that I happen to find myself in, commonsense should inform you that that is enough to conclude that the statement "The Gospel has reached the ends of the world" is yet to be fulfilled.

That's not the point, the point is how many people out there doing the work to reach the remote part of the world?

Since you claim all the teachers of today are false one except only you.

AntiChristian:
They said Amen while standing just as we do!

My own interpretation?
Okay let's go Hebrew now! Nehemiah 8:6
way·yiq·qə·ḏū They bowed down...............action 1
way·yiš·ta·ḥă·wu And worshipped (To depress, prostrate).....action 2
Yah·weh the LORD
’ap·pa·yim with their faces..........................butressing action 2
’ā·rə·ṣāh to the ground................................butressing action 2
https://biblehub.com/nehemiah/8-6.htm

They bow but not hitting head on the ground and they did it once unlike you Muslims that hit head on the ground many times.

You are free to lie as you like!
Bye!

You're the liar here because bowing down is different from hitting head on the ground.

AntiChristian:
This is a lie from the Holly Spirit. Sujud or prostration is a form of worship where all Prophets did in worship to their creator!
Just because you see us and not them does not change the truth!

All prophets did but the Ezra you quoted says "...all the people said, “Amen, Amen!”

So you Muslims do say Amen, Amen after you hit head on the ground?

They bowed down above and they then put their faces on the ground (hitting head on the ground).

That's your own interpretation, they didn't and besides these people have different ways recorded of worshiping God. So stop saying nonsense.

Where is the picture of Jesus, Abraham, etc while he was on earth? More so, the tradition is lost in Christianity!

Since you don't have the picture, it means they didn't hit head on the ground but just bowing down their face.

Jesus lifted His head up while praying
Christians bow down their faces when praying but don't hit head on ground like Muslims.

So I don't know who lied to you that any tradition lost.

The liar is clear here! Ezra in Nehemiah above did arrange people with himself to bow and then put face on the ground!

Lying liar!

They bow down but didn't hit head on ground and say Amen, Amen something Muslims don't do after hitting head on ground get the difference.

Kobojunkie:
1. I have to ask for clarification

2. You are the one that assumes what I am doing here is preaching, when in fact, I am instead doing what Jesus Christ said I should do which is to use the understanding that I have in order that the Father may give me even more understanding - Matthew 13 vs 12 & Matthew 25 vs 29 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 28. All while making sure my lamp is not hidden under covers for it to shine as He wants to when He wants it to.
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That's all! I am an apprentice learning the TRUTH of God. My priority is seeking first the Kingdom of God(Holiness) and then God's righteousness so that all these things — the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God— shall be added to me. Your assumptions have nothing to do with me.

3. Nope!

4. If there are no lights from the true followers of Jesus Christ to be seen anywhere, don't you see how that definitively means the Gospel has not in fact reached the ends of the earth?

5. As I said, I have yet to see the Light from anyone out there so, a more sensible conclusion would be that the Gospel has yet to reach the ends of the earth.

You just agreed with me that you're the only one in the whole world that accept and obey the Gospel of Christ.

So when will you carry the Gospel to the outermost part of the earth as Jesus said?

AntiChristian:
Where is it written that Muslims hit their head on the ground?

This isn't even written but seeing it with our korokoro eyes. If you're not hitting your head on the ground, it won't have that black mark.

And what were Jesus, Moses, Abraham and other Prophet's head looking for on the ground?

Bowing down is different from hitting head on ground.

You can prove me wrong with pictures

How do you hit your head on the ground?

Merely looking at the forehead of a Muslim one can see how hitting head on the ground looks like reason why it's different from bowing down.

You bowing down without your forehead touches ground.

You guys sabi tell lies sha!

So far, you're the liar here!

Kobojunkie:
1. Seen them how? Where?

You're answering question with question.

Are you the only one preaching the gospel of Christ in the whole world?

2. Jesus Christ told you how to identify those who belong to Him and those who don't. He explained that "by their fruits, you shall know them".

Good! So have you known anyone through their fruit of that accepted and obeyed the Gospel as is written?

I know and see the false teachers and prophets because they are everywhere you look in the world we live in today.

But with same eyes, you don't know and see the true teachers

So if you don't know, how do you know how far the Gospel has reach?

But I have yet to actually spot any true followers of Jesus Christ in the just over 3 years, I have been doing my apprenticeship as a born-again.

Which means you're the only TRUE TEACHER in the whole world.

Clap for yourself!

Kobojunkie:
All i know I do is accept and obey the Gospel as is written. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the one who possesses me.

Are you saying you're the only one who accept and obey the Gospel as is written in the whole world? Because If not you should have seen people who are in the same shoes as yours.

After you even claimed you don't know yet you know the false teachers. How can you know the false teachers without knowing the true preachers?

Kobojunkie:
If you want to believe that , OK..

So with all your rant on this forum, you don't know whether the Gospel of Christ is being preached by you or not.

Nor can you point to a specific individual or congregation(s) that is/are doing so despite your vast knowledge in the God's law

Kobojunkie:
Who knows? I have yet to notice their light so I still can't say for sure where they are.

That means you're not preaching the Gospel of Christ or are you part of the false teachers?

Kobojunkie:
The Gospel has yet to be preached to all the ends of the world.

So who is preaching the gospel today that'll make it reach end of the world?