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MaxInDHouse:
In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God

From the above it's clear something is wrong due to John's use of WAS throughout

Instead of saying something is WRONG, you could have explained in details the usage of the verb WAS but I know your brain capacity isn't high for that.

which means the word worked with God but as he is penning down those words the word isn't God rather the word WAS God at some point in time.

If you have done little research on the usage of the verb WAS, you'd have saved yourself from this embarrassment.

[s]Moses WAS God at a point in time too Exodus 7:1 therefore if Moses worked with God in delivering Israel out of Egypt and WAS God while in Egypt it doesn't mean that Moses IS God rather he served as God at a point in time.[/s]

Irrelevant!

So the correct interpretation of that verse would be:

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS God and the word WAS a god/ divine/ godlike

Just look at the nonsense you spew in above

At least you can see how John patterned his statement with that of Adam and Eve.

You have shifted from your initial point of BOTH GOD when I gave you Bible expository

The use of capital for both God and the one with God makes no practical sense because all other verses afterwards shows that the word is God's messenger.

Thank you!

Another delusion, there's no CAPITAL LETTER in Greek

MaxInDHouse:
I don't appreciate pointless stories!

Imagine, Bible expository is a Pointless stories to you

If you know the answer just answer the question directly:

Period!

The answer has been given!

MaxInDHouse:
No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten son who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. John 1:18

This is the correct scripture.

So how come "no man has seen God" and "only begotten son who is at the side of God (Father)"

The side of Father! Stop injecting your own delusion

Lastly, the Word WAS GOD!

Janosky:
JWs actually support the use of medicines,drugs recommended by medical professionals but we are against recreational use of addictive, harmful substances in order to get "high",in order words,drug misuse and abuse of drugs.

@underlined - so it must be a PROFESSIONAL but you entrusted your own interpretation of the Bible to UNPROFESSIONAL people at Bethel

MaxInDHouse:
"In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

@ verse 18 of the same chapter we read:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"

So is the word GOD or someone beside GOD?

The word is God!

John pictures that with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden.

Let me give you small Bible study on that.

Firstly, The first COUPLE lived alone in the Garden. The two are to be viewed as ONE
>>>Gen 2:24 - In the garden, two persons, the man and the woman, "became one flesh"
>>>Gen 5:1-2
"God created man" (singular)
"He made him" (singular)
"Named them man" (singular)
Yet it says:
"He created THEM male and female" (plural)
"He blessed THEM" (plural)
"and Named THEM" (plural)
"They were created" (plural)
NOTE: The name EVE wasn't given to the woman not until after the fall, so both Male and the female were collectively called MAN.

Secondly, Gen 1:26-27
"Let us make man" (singular)
"God created man" (singular)
"He created him" (singular)
In contrast the same text also says:
"....let them rule" (plural)
"Male and female he created THEM" (plural)

Lastly, Jesus refers to the first couple and after stating "they were one flesh" adds "they are no longer two"

In line of this, would it be wise to say: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was A MAN?

Intellectual mind knows this is a wrong rendition because it will put the woman as A MALE which will be confused as the FIRST MALE.

So the best way to understand that even though both the male and the female were both collectively called "MAN" "them" e.t.c is to render it as: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was MAN

Here intellectual mind knows that the woman was addressed as MAN per her NATURE.

So John 1:1 shows two separate persons with one NATURE (God).

Do you understand?

Bible study 101

MaxInDHouse:
Of course God's Kingdom was established in the heavens in the year 1914 we have all the vivid proof of that already so there's no dispute over it!

Don't worry you're coming back to your vomit at least "YEAR 1914" is a specific DATE.

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Show this forum a specific date where JWs said "THE WORLD WILL END" in any of their publications!

I've don't that many times.

Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not?

God's Kingdom was established in heaven in the year 1914 nobody not even your pastors can deny all the evidences JWs have!

Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not that's what I'm interested in?

MaxInDHouse:
Here

You mentioned the "YEAR 1914"

Is that A SPECIFIC DATE or not?


Besides, check the screenshot below

MaxInDHouse:
Where is it mentioned that "the world will end" as all of you have been accusing this group?

Just like I do say, you don't have single shame!

If you didn't see where it was stated that "...BY AT END OF 1914"

The group said the likes of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected in 1925...

God's Kingdom was established in Heaven in the year 1914

When was this started?

You see after, boldly typing rubbish asking WHERE WAS IT MENTIONED WITH A SPECIFIC DATE, now you've mentioned the specific DATE yourself

[s]Jesus (Archangel Michael) with his angels waged a war against Satan and his angels {Reve 12:7-12} and ever since then the effects of this established righteousness in the heavens has been felt globally! Matt 24:3-12[/s]

Irrelevant!!!

You've giving us the actual SPECIFIC DATE you've been denying since

So we are to endure now to the end {Matt 24:13-14} when Jesus will advance towards the earth to establish his kingdom just as he asked us to pray! Matt 6:9-10

That's your cup of tea

But no specific date was mentioned regarding the END of the WORLD!

But you just mentioned SPECIFIC DATE above!

Oh sorry, YEAR 1914 isn't a date to the self acclaimed intelligence officer

MaxInDHouse:
“Repent, for the Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.” Matt 4:17

That's what Jesus said some 2,000 years ago so Jehovah's Witnesses are doing exactly the same thing!

Compare that to what Watchtower says below, do the two statements close?

Mikee19:
By repeatedly setting years and months for fulfillment of Bible prophecy, that not even one then comes to pass. Yea that's exactly what Jesus did

You can see how he was kept lying in other thread.

That's how you'll know who is working for

MaxInDHouse:
Please just one publication where you will highlight the specific date as stated that the world will end for example
"the world will end on the 14 of June 2022"

I don't think this is hard to do than posting so much articles with no specific date as you have accused this organization!

Of course only you will look at the attached screenshot and say Watchtower never MENTIONED SPECIFIC DATE

The second pic speaks a lot about the organization that produces you

MaxInDHouse:
If i don't care you know i will simply ignore you!

You could have done that than this pretentious attitude of yours

MaxInDHouse:
Back to what never happened!

Please present just one publication of JWs that explicitly state a date when the world will end e.g 14-6-2022

I've done that previously, why are you still playing blind to it

Maybe the next thing to claim now is that enemies of your organization are behind those publications

MaxInDHouse:
I told you Emusan.
"Don't quote anyone"
Just present whatever you have in mind!

Look at him pretending as if he cares

MaxInDHouse:
Oh no Emusan has been barred! (BANNED)
Well i'm expecting your comment my friend anytime anyday regarding God's people.

I always tell people around me that if we are to concentrate on the flaws faithless humans are talking about then there's no way we can say we believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

That's not an issue here! Your organization made several FALSE PROPHECIES with a specific DATE.

He himself knew very well that many even among his own people will be stumbled if they keep contemplating on flaws rather what God said about the Christ:

"Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me.” Matthew 11:6

The case here is, did your organization make false prophecies with specific DATE?

The answer is yes! Which you're trying so hard to deny despite the facts provided.

Even Peter confirmed that faithless people will be stumbled and offended:

It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 1Peter 2:7-8

This is not the subject matter, stop preambulating.

So if you're expecting imperfect humans to be perfect in their assignment then you can never believe in any form of worship as God's arrangement.

I never said your leaders SHOULD BE PERFECT, rather you're the one who made them FAR SUPERIOR THAN JESUS HIMSELF.

I believe in the Word of God (Bible) despite the fact that God used imperfect human to pen His perfect word.

There will always be errors in the way humans do things because they are imperfect but no matter what the sign that God is working with them will be there:

This is nice, so can you show us the ERROR in your organization teachings?

Don't dodge this question please.

They will produce fine fruit of faith {Matthew 7:16-18} and Satan will continue to give you reasons why you should not work with them even when everyone can see that there's no better performing group than them!

Rather Satan is giving you plenty reason to not free yourself from the prison of Watchtower society when Bible never talks about ANY BETTER PERFORMING GROUP.

johnw47:
emusan, what rule number do they say that you are breaking
it will be in your profile while the ban is in force

The post I'm quoting contains a bug! Reason why Antispam bot keeps deleting it.

MaxInDHouse:
I said barred not banned

Don't worry my guy, if my own brother believe me it's enough you can choose whatever you want to believe but know that Emusan won't be able to make any comments on Nairaland until tomorrow afternoon!

And it's actually BANNED and not BARRED!

ITK won't kill

Rashduct4luv:
Keep looking!

Ok

Jesus preached and acted on what was revealed to him. There's no evidence Jesus wrote anything down but he spoke it.

Yet Allah told Muhammad to ask Christians if he is confused, so how will Christians who are not alive when Jesus came will know Jesus message if Allah didn't ask Jesus to memorize and write it down?

Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember)

Who is Allah talking to here to REMEMBER, Muhammad or was not alive or Christians who were not alive that time?

when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’”[l[al-Saff 61:6]

This is from Quran, where was Jesus PROPHESIED the come of Muhammad from the Injeel?

Give me an authentic proof that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew and Moses wrote the Pentateuch?

It's Available online...

The Injeel were words that were transmitted from Jesus to whoever he preached to or influenced during his time on Earth.

But there's no Injeel today because Allah didn't command its memorization nor the writing in hard copy. So how will people who are not alive during the time of Jesus till Muhammad came knows guide by the Injeel?

Injeel means Gospel which means "Good News" what is the GOOD NEWS all about?

The Bible contains some portions of the Injeel and the bulk of it are additions written by known and unknown people.

The twisting mouth has started. When you don't know the actual Injeel Jesus preached but can say Bible contained PORTIONS OF IT, how come?

If Jesus didn't write it down nor instructed his disciples to memorize it, then nobody will give attention to those words.

“And He (Allah) will teach him [‘Isa] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Tawrat and the Injil.” [Al ‘Imran 3:48]
The Injeel was meant to be preached and it was so.

Yet you claimed the Bible contains PORTIONS OF IT, so who pen THOSE PORTIONS DOWN, the disciples who Jesus didn't instructed to do so or someone who was not alive when Jesus came?

The Injeel revealed to Jesus is lost.

It will only LOST if it was transmitted to a hard copy, you don't LOST what didn't exist. By Jesus not wrote the Injeel down nor asked his disciples to memorize it means the Injeel wasn't exist at all

The Injeel was for the lost sheep of Israel as Jesus preached. It is not for others!

When you didn't even know the content of the Injeel

So in the whole Bible, what you have about Jesus for age 1 to just before 30yrs is just an argument in the temple?

At 12 years, Yes and it's because Bible isn't about Jesus Biography but His mission on earth to save MANKIND.

How faulty can this be?

Nothing is faulty here! Bible details the needed background that needs to be known about Him as the Messiah the savior of the World.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, have you noticed that there's no specific date MENTIONED as the day God's Kingdom will come in any of the publications of Watchtower?

If you have just a single shame you won't be repeating this

Rush to Hall pick your brain and read this slowly "...Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible"

If it's about their faith regarding expectations of the fulfilment of Bible prophecies, it is well recorded in the Bible that faithful servants of God in the first century had such expectations too {Act 1:6} but no specific date was mentioned.

So case closed!

As usual continue to lie to yourself.

It was stated boldly that 1925 will be the RESURRECTION TO EARTH OF Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the rest. Which is the purpose of the book titled "Million now LIVE will never Die"

So where in the first century do the first Christian ever expected the resurrection of the OLD SAINTS?

It's no more about SPECIFIC DATE

@Mikee19 copy this!

MaxInDHouse:
No intelligent individual needs all these stories Sir

No intelligent individual won't see SPECIFIC DATE in Watchtower failed prophecies.

all i asked is a single publication of JWs where a specific date e.g (6-6-2022) was mentioned regarding the end of the world.
Thanks!

Rutherford has this to tell you

"What, then, should we expect to take place? The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"When you take up a more advanced study of the Bible, you will find that the year 1925 A. D. is particularly marked in prophecy." The Way to Paradise p.220

"Good morning! Do you know that millions now living will never die? I mean just what I say - that millions now living are never going to die. "The Finished Mystery", the posthumous work of Pastor Russell, tells why there are l millions now living who will never die; and if you can keep alive until 1925 you have excellent chances of being one of them... It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible, foretold by every prophet of the Bible."

At least I'm not the one who published all those books

Mikee19 113527959: @ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists

There are actual dates in their publications, he is just a lying liar who can go to any length to defend Watchtower.

Only a person living with the spirit of lies will look at those screenshot and claim no DATE there.

In fact, if I should post all Watchtower failed prophecies 3pages won't be enough.

So how come the self acclaimed intelligence officer didn't come across all this SPECIFIC DATE in his thorough research? I know he never did any research but just lying.

I have the feeling that he knows about many flaws in JWs teachings and he imagines how those TEACHINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN rather than the way Watchtower put them, reason why you'll see him saying things that go against the organization itself.
But just as I always say, it's a person who pride in his ignorance.

Look at this statement from him: "Just admit your mistake, put the devil to shame and move on with your findings, but this time around make sure of all things! 1Thess 5:21"

Who should admit of making mistakes between two of you?

Who is boldly lying on what has been known for years?

Lastly, see him telling you to "MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS according to 1 Thess 5:21 but the same self acclaimed intelligence officer never took his own advice or put into practice that 1 Thess 5:22 before he claimed on this forum that I Emusan I'm the same person behind the monikers of OLAADEGBU and johnw47.
Anyways, you can't help but to just on such a deluded self acclaimed intelligence officer!

Mikee19:
Thank you for this. I was honestly perturbed that anybody in good faith can say such a thing as he said with all the evidence that abound. I didn't notice he isn't counting "year" and "month" as date the same way as I was. This is all semantics now, meaningless arguing over words as to what constitutes a "date". It's pointless. My point still stands regardless! I will henceforth switch to using "year" and "sometimes month" with him. Doesn't change a thing regarding my point!

@ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists, the watchtower didn't go as far, but that's got nothing on my point.... My point is that, by using their own scriptural interpretation, the very same one they use in bringing forth doctrine on trinity, hell, heaven, the anointed, etc, that same scriptural interpretation was what they used in coming forth with different "years" (since you like that word better) when they predicted things concerning Armageddon, the kingdom of God, etc, and every single year they predicted failed! Sometimes even month within a year! It made no difference, it ALWAYS failed!

And these are the same people you decide to entrust your soul to with other scriptural interpretation that didn't have a due "year" (or "month within a year", since your prefer such semantics) so as to show them false when each time they gave a year or month within a year it always failed!

Jesus DID NOT give a year, nor did John the Baptist. Your organization tested their skills with their scriptural ability and failed EACH TIME! But they're the ones who can suddenly now determine doctrine just because there is no due "year" or "month within a year" that will pass to prove it false? In any other field, anybody won't be as foolish as to trust ppl with 100% failure record when they tried to give a due "year" or "month within a year"!

When organization is founded on lies, you should know that 99.9% of its members must have the same lying tongue.

I've actually done justice to his lies unfortunately my posts were deleted by antibot/spam and I was banned twice for the lengthy of the post or maybe from the attached. So I have to screenshot them.

Mikee19: If he still insists, and nobody else does it, maybe i would. This thing is plainly there! Very frustrating to be asking me again!

He knows the truth but because he is a chronic liar, he must find a way of deviating and shift blame on what is not.

Back to this statement of his:

MaxinDhouse: "...All what you can see critics talking about are years when JWs preaching got intense about the coming of God's Kingdom..."

if he actually did thorough research as a self acclaimed intelligence officer, were those failed prophecies published by JWs about WHEN THE PREACHING GOT INTENSE about the coming OF GOD'S KINGDOM? That is the right question to ask.

And the answer is NO!

The failed prophecies centered on many aspect of the Bible events according to them!

Like:
1. The second coming of Jesus Christ
2. The battle of Armageddon
3. The heavenly resurrection
4. Resurrection of the old saints
5. Resurrection to earthly paradise
6. Destruction of the world governments
7. Jesus Christ became king in a particular year
8. Destruction of the CHRISTENDOM
9. End of the world e.t.c

So you can see how he lumps up all these and tactically deviated from the main point.

So don't be surprised about his rant, the leadesr of JWs themselves know about the failed prophecies as well as many honest JWs (though the leaders tried to play the same mind game like he's doing by blaming their OWN MEMBERS and not the CRITICS for the failed prophecies)

The attached screenshot are evidences of JWs MENTIONED specific DATE.

NOTE: Don't mind the liar telling you that you should provide where a specific DATE (2.3.22) appeared in their publications, it's tactics to deviate and change the narrative. Specific DATE can also be a PARTICULAR YEAR and as we can see those publications MENTIONED YEAR even some publications contain MONTH & YEAR

Specific DATE according to Cambridge Dictionary

If you check this link for definition of specific DATE, you'll see at the beginning where it says "These words are often used together. You can go to the definition of specific or the definition of date. Or, see other combinations with date."

Click on "the definition of date" you'll see the last screenshot which is exactly how JWs publications used it.

Mikee19:
If he still insists, and nobody else does it, maybe i would. This thing is plainly there! Very frustrating to be asking me again!

The person you're discussing with has no shame and he's known for it on this forum.

No matter the fact you presented from Watchtower publications, he will keep changing the narration but had it been you pay attention to his posts you'd have seen his motives.

His main point is to drag Jesus and others into it as a cover up reason why he said:

MaxinDhouse: "Unless you want to condemn John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth also for proclaiming the same end of the world some 2,000 years ago!"

"My guy neither John the baptist nor Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses organization mentioned any specific date but they all kept proclaiming the end of the world!"

"Nobody gave you any specific date, neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth nor Jehovah's Witnesses."

"Bring your evidence where a specific date was mentioned in any JW publications by pasting the screenshot. All what you can see critics talking about are years when JWs preaching got intense about the coming of God's Kingdom..."

As you can see, that was his motives and you can also see how he was shouting no SPECIFIC DATE was mentioned by JWs which is a blatant lies.

Lastly, if you look at that last quote above, you'll notice how he shifted the blame on "critics talking about are years when JWs preaching got intense about the coming of God's Kingdom..." yet bragging about being an intelligence officer who did thorough research.

He narrows down the whole JWs failed prophecies to a challenge of PROVIDE A SPECIFIC DATE about END OF THE WORLD from JWs publications.

Let me stop here, my next post will address his challenge and evidence from JWs publications.