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MaxInDHouse:
This is a response for you!But instead of standing on what you think you know, it's another person's quote that you're thinking about!

When his lies are busted

Is this how you're promote your own truth?

That's not your concern!

Did Romans crucify people on Cross or not?

You and your demonic organization can keep denying that archeological evidence of crucifixion but it won't stop us showing you people.

"My enemy's enemy automatically becomes my friend"

I'm used to this your cry.

I quoted that person to correct him that he was wrong for claiming no historical records for crucifixion. Which you blindly think he was right and turn around to call people "misinformed" when in reality you're the most "MISINFORMED" about the issue.

Now only to be claiming the victim card

AntiChristian:
No! English creation is better cos Joshua and Jesus are similar in Hebrew unlike in English! Yeshua/Yehoshua! How does this translates to Jesus? Same thing with YHWH that was coined as Yahweh then to Jehovah by William Tyndale!

You're still displaying your ignoramus!

Nothing like English creation but English translation.

So far so good, Jesus of Christians is different from your Eesa.

Don't be pained! Yeah not the same. One was the God humans created while the other acknowledged God as his creator!

Or you're the one in pain...

So you agreed they are not the same!

QED

Islam determines that.

Smile....at least it's not God who determined it but Islam.

Can you prove its Blasphemy from your Bible?

The only blasphemy for Christianity is against the Holy spirit which is left for God to judge.

So claiming Muslim have their OWN beliefs about Jesus but calling others blasphemer for having their OWN BELIEFS about Muhammad, is self delusion.

Because the Shariah says it's blasphemy! So wherever we have the Shariah, Blasphemy is Blasphemy!

That should be for Muslim not for anyone outside shariah.

If Deborah was a Muslim thee uproar won't much like placing everyone under Shariah when shariah should be strictly for Muslim.

So if you as a Muslim have your own belief about a person, then you should expect other to have their own belief about your Muhammad

Actually the same person given different personalities!

You're too dull! You said above that "Yeah, not the same"

The law establishing blasphemy does not exists in Christianity! Jesus won't even punish people for fornication! So only Shariah (and some other laws) enforces it.

It does against the Holy spirit which only God has right to handle.

But shariah wasn't meant for everyone except Muslim.

So you don't have right to hide under Shariah and claim your own beliefs about Jesus while others who have their own belief about Muhammad would be killed.

You said he put forth the law of procreation for himself right?

"For Himself" where did I say that?

And He broke that law.

Despite my simple explanation, you still find it hard to comprehend

Now you are saying God personally producesd Jesus's Y Chromosomes.

Yes!

Where was this stated in the Bible?

When Angel Gabriel told Mary that the Holy Spirit will visit her.

Which Chromosome did your God supply when making Eve from Adam?

Olodo....Adam and Eve were created, reason why you don't apply a word like BORN to them.

God only used the first three options and left the last for Jesus.

Which is the reason Jesus will be the greatest human in life.

Eve and Jesus are even similar in this regard.

They are not! Eve was created while Jesus was Born. If they are, then you should be able to apply the word BORN to two of them.

There was no law restricting creation among humans to male and female copulation and fertilization.

There is law of procreation! Which means until a man and woman meet before another human can be produced

The man will donate Y chromosome and the woman X chromosome without this there's not baby formed. So it's a law set by God.

God did everything! He created Adam from earth and Jesus from his mother too!

Olodo... Jesus was not created from his mother, rather Jesus was BORN from his mother.

Rather we came from the product of a man and a woman!

Which is the law of procreation.

God never stood in place of man?

He did in Jesus case by providing the Y Chromosome.

My own God does not have Chromosomes, gametes/ Sex cells, etc.

If God doesn't have Chromosome, so where did Chromosome come from?

I just remembered that the sons of God were able to impregnate humans in Genesis 6:1-4.

They are not, that was wrong interpretation like you people who want to force Jesus into creation. Spirit beings can never have human organs.

So i now clearly understand why you are saying God gave marry the Y chromosomes! That's an euphemism for God indirectly impregnating Mary! No wonder Catholics call her mother of God and pray to her.

Another delusion statement.

You didn't understand anything just your delusion

If God impregnated Mary, then she can't be Mother or God rather Wife of God!

I believe God is actively involved in creation even among couples!

But the couple must first come together.

No! Adam had no father and mother! He was not protected by any Parent nor nurtured in the womb by a human's placenta. Same as Eve.

That's why they were said to be CREATED

They should be rated greater than Jesus in this case!

They are first human CREATED, SO if another human without FATHER should appear then the person will be the greatest.

Adam had his whole XY Chromosomes created by God not half as you gave Jesus.

Olodo.....God didn't create Adam XY chromosome but created Adam as a whole where other human can derive their Y and from Eve for X chromosome.

Yet you skipped any comment on those verses! Matthew 5:17, 20 and Matthew 17:3

I didn't

Jesus had no power to change it of himself!
Matthew 5:17, 20 and Matthew 17:3

That means you're more confused than I thought, were you not the first person who said Jesus changed the Israelites law

Which is the point I'm making, now you rush back to Bible to claim He didn't changed.

So if Jesus can change Israelites law then He is God. I know it'll be hard for you to swallow.

AntiChristian:
It does! Jesus was an English creation! The real name is Yehoshua.

English creation, sounds like a word from an illiterate.

Rather English Translation

The Arab Christians call him ‘Eesaa Yasoo‘!

The Arab Christians was God's son, God, Crucified, resurrected, went to Heaven!

So it can't be the same with Muslim Eesaa

The name ‘Eesa is an Arabised form of the name Yashoo‘ (Yeshua), with a transposition of letters, altering the letter sheen to seen. This often happens in words that are transmitted from Hebrew to Arabic. The letter seen in the words al-maseeh (messiah) and Moosa is a sheen in Hebrew (mashiach and Moshe), as is the final letter in the word shams (sun, which in Hebrew is shemesh). End quote.
Tafseer al-Manaar (3/251)

Nobody asked you this! The simple point is Christians (Arab, Hausa, Jews e.t.c) Jesus is different from Muslim Eesaa.

People have their beliefs which can be unfounded or not.

Who decided if a belief is unfounded or not?

The point is, the way you Muslim called your own belief and called people who do the same BLASPHEMY is what I'm pointing out.

Everyone does have their own beliefs about God not to talk of Humans.

That's the point, so why do you call other people BELIEF blasphemy when it comes to Muhammad?

The Arab Christians still used that name but you are here arguing blindly!

But the don't address the same person!

Yeah, the point is some belief Jesus to be a Messenger of God. Some call him God's son but not God. Others call him God directly. Those are beliefs.

Now you're talking, so which they belief about Him, you're also blasphemy against their beliefs. Do you agree?

God didn't set any law for himself. So which law did He override?

Can you remind me where I said God set a certain law for HIMSELF?

God has already put forth the law of procreation, which means after the creation of Adam and Eve, God does need to create any human again but human can reproduce human by coming together of man and woman.

Yet God set that aside and personally PRODUCED the Y chromosome of Jesus, why?

That is the question

Adam came from earth!

Yes!

Eve came from Adam.

No! God brought Eve from Adam because Adam alone can't bring another human

Jesus came from a woman!

No! We all came from a woman but Man and woman are needed to bring forth another human. Why did God stand in place of Man?

Others came from a man and woman!

That mean Jesus is the highest human since He doesn't came from man and woman.

So which is the law of procreation God broke?

Explained above!

This is even contrary to what Jesus said in your Bible in Matthew 5:17.
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. So if Jesus changed the law then he lied!

But Jesus couldn't have changed the law himself except if he was [b]sent [/b]to do so!

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. Matthew 17:3

Secondly Jesus was inspired to do the things he did as he said:

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. Matthew 5:30

Why did he keep making reference to the person who sent him?

It's not contrary rather your comprehension skill is low.

This is your claimed

"Yes, that's why the Prophets/messengers are sent. To bring new laws, abrogate some, upheld others or simply use other's law."

You agreed, Jesus changed the Israelites law.
Which no one has power to do except the person is God Himself.

And there's no record of any prophets who ever did that.

Where is the evidence?

You're asking for evidence when you wrote it in OP that Jesus Himself changed Israelites law

Of cos he wasn't crucified nor was he killed!

But the story of Jonah you alluded to says "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

Jesus says He'll be in the HEARTH of the Earth like Jonah in the belly of fish

So how did Jesus get to the heart of the Earth?

And the stories does not add up even in your Bible.

Nobody asked you!

Jonah didn't die in the fish! So Jesus didn't die in the grave too according to your Bible.

But He entered the Grave as Jonah entered the fish, abi?

Yes that's the Christian belief.
Our belief is summarised in the narration below:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah (tax paid by non-Muslims in an Islamic state), and money will become so widespread that there will be no one who will accept it.” (Agreed upon; narrated by Muslim, no. 155).

Well this is from the Hadith and not Quran itself but let me take this.

Jesus will DESCEND, I guess from heaven!

I guess that's as clear as a full grown man!

Now very interesting! But the same Jesus has been living for over 2000 years, not growing old, no change in His physical look e.t.c He must be ancient of days

But the same Jesus will come to eat and started getting old and die

Didn't they try sought to kill him?
Are people who tried killing you your friends?
Quit being cynical.

But the people who tried to kill him have all DEAD LONG AGO.

While you and Allah made it look like the people who tried to kill him are still the one he'll come and meet.

And He says of the Messiah (interpretation of the meaning):
“And when I (Allaah) inspired Al‑Hawariyyoon (the disciples) [of ‘Eesa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: ‘We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims’”
[al-Maa'idah 5:111]

This is not what I asked you!

Which idea sucks? Blame that on your low perception! Jesus is human and never died! His body and soul is preserved till he will come back.

Very suck idea! Only if you can remove that Islamic veil you'd have it.

You won't need to show cos you can't show what does not exist. You just have to make things up.
You can't show but can request for people to show you things?
You can't even quote one Bible verse!

Yes I don't need to show you but the reality is that people have their BELIEFS about Muhammad which you will tag blasphemy rather than calling it BELIEFS.

Besides, I quote Bible verses when needed!

MaxInDHouse:
This is true the Romans don't use CROSSES to execute criminals it's rather poles where the criminals were nailed with both hands on each other likewise the foot

I challenge you to provide the evidence for Romans using POLE as a form of execution.

This is what happens when your organization forbidden you of doing research outside Watchtower website.

Here is a link to an article of archeological evidence of crucifixion by Romans.

but we have tried to enlighten misinformed Churchgoers on this as the CROSS is another form of religion on its own that has nothing to do with CHRISTIANITY.

When in reality you're the misinformed Hallgoer here!

You can enlighten yourself and your fellow misinformed Hallgoers that Romans never used pole for execution put CROSSES.

MindHacker9009:
There are no historical records of Jews or Romans using crucifixion for criminals.

This is pure lie!

Many historical records of crucifixion are available unless you decide to turn blind eyes to it.

Also, there's archeological evidence of crucifixion.

johnw47:
that the Holy Spirit exposed you, olladegbu and i johnw47 as being the same person:

lying about the Holy Spirit:

And the same person will be quick to speak against those false preachers using God's holy spirit for fraudulent activities outside his organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, your OLAADEGBU account has become boring, no customer so you're determined to hook up with Maximus to trade words, shey?

Your cup of tea but just like I said on that thread, the day I'll decide to expose your lying on this is coming (I'm just waiting for your cup to full), though I know your shameless lying mouth will be twisting up and down again.

That day you'll know your brain is full of dust!

You should know that i'm much more intelligent than that, henceforth you're no more getting any responses from me!

Lying liar intelligent officer

You don't need to tell me, Mr unintelligent officer

AntiChristian:
You should know his name was not Jesus in Israel.

That doesn't address my point.

No! The Beliefs of Muslims as regard Jesus son of Mary.

Then do you understand that people have their beliefs as regard Muhammad of Islam?

I didn't say that in OP! You brought that up probably from your Holy Spirit.

Attacking strawman argument has started.
I never said you did that in the Op, do I?

I have an Hausa Bible where the name "Allah" is plenty there but it's the same Alah you always want to abuse. Anyways, this is thread derailment.

Out of point!
Do you think Non Muslim don't have their own beliefs about Muhammad and Allah? Is the question.

You can show us where the exact names of both were written let us see!

Written by who?

The fact is, Christian's Jesus is different from your Isa

Jesus never for one called himself God in the bible nor told anyone to worship him.

That's not the point.
That is SOME PEOPLE OWN BELIEF about Jesus.

He was narrated praying and putting his head on the ground in prayer. Muhammad is not recognised in your Bible as you have it today!

Irrelevant because I'm not here to drag that with you.

God is the law maker and creates whatever he wills anytime He wills. Adam was from earth and has no parents. Jesus even had a mother, was in the womb for months, passed through the birth canal at birth, was suckled by his mother, was protected by his parents, was circumcised, etc.

Reason why you couldn't address my point.

Again, why will God override His own law of procreation in the case of Jesus?

Yes, that's why the Prophets/messengers are sent. To bring new laws, abrogate some, upheld others or simply use other's law.

No prophet ever recorded to abrogate any law. Only God has right to do that

If he is God, show where he claimed so!

Claim is part of what He did! So He changed the Israelites law of what only God can do.

This can be proven from you Bible when Jesus mentioned the sign of Prophet Jonah!

But Jonah entered fish belly.

So do you agree Jesus entered the grave?

You believe he's coming to so you can answer that!

Yes! He is coming to judge the world in His full glory.

Now answer My question, so how will he come, as a full grown up man or born from a woman?

Has your enemy killed before you started binding and asking Holy ghost fire to come against them?

So you can't tell how Jews are Jesus enemies

Because our texts says so. He was a Muslim. Even in your Bible he was never a Christian as Christianity and Judaism never existed as a religion! They all submitted to the one God (in Islam).

Provide where your text says so!

Jonah was thrown in the sea. He didn't drown! The fish's teeth didn't crush him. The acid in the fish's stomach didn't digest him.
And he was even able to pray in the fish's belly. And he eventually came out. So all things are possible by Allah's will.

That is miracle which only happens on earth! because miracle is for human not heavenly beings

You can see how the whole idea sucks.

Then you will have to show us where the beliefs are in your Books.

I don't need to show you because it is people OWN BELIEFS

At least Holy Spirit can't invent a new Bible for Christians in 2022.

Off points!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in what your superintendent teaches

Then it's common sense that you shouldn't have asked me to tell you what your superintendent teaches about Jesus of Nazareth in the first place

what i'm saying is "stop trailing me

Just as you're trailing others

preach to atheists" hope you get the message now!

And I'm still reminding you that, you're not the one who'll tell me who to preach to. I've been doing that before you ever dream of becoming JWs.

So let Atheist tell me to preach to them unless you're the spoke person for Atheist

MaxInDHouse:
Me, Kumuyi teaching?

So why did you want to know about what kumuyi says about Jesus of Nazareth in the first place? Can you see how tiny your brain is?

Please tell the atheist that created this thread not me!

Are you the spoke person for Atheist?

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala, what did Kumuyi say about Jesus of Nazareth?

Sneak into any deeper life near you for that!

That's what you need to preach now Sir!

You don't need to tell me because I've been doing that before you join JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
To God be the glory Mr Three in one person!

Still reinforcing his delusion

I'll use two stones to kill one bird here!

AntiChristian:
We will refer to Jesus as ‘Eesa throughout this article.

Then you shouldn't have posted it here because nobody knows your Eesa

The beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him).

You called this THE BLIEFS of Muslim!

Do you think people who are not Muslim don't have THEIR OWN BELIEF about Allah and Muhammad?

1. Muslims do believe in ‘Eesa as a Prophet, a messenger and a noble slave of Allah sent to the children of Israel to call them to believe in Allah alone and to worship Him alone.

Eesa and Christians Jesus aren't the same anyway. But these were all written in the Bible too

2. ‘Eesa was never a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

So, why will you call this MUSLIM OWN BELIEF....

When, to others Muhammad was never a prophet not to even say he was sent by the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

And you call this blasphemy?

4. We believe ‘Eesa has no father and his mother Maryam was a virgin. This is similar to Adam who has no father or Mother and Hawa (Eve) who has no mother but was created from Adam (peace be upon them both).

It's not similar, the case of Adam and Eve needs to be because no other human around then but in the case of Jesus, God has already set forth the law of procreation.

The big question is, why would God override it's OWN law by causing Jesus to be born of virgin?

5. We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

Yet you claimed Jesus isn't God.

It's God who forbidden the Israelites of what not to eat, so why would Jesus step into God's place to change it?

Was He the first Prophet sent to the Israelites?

6. We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

This is like the question 2

Saying Jesus did not die is your belief but if other people say their BELIEFS about Muhammad you called it blasphemy, why?

7. We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

That's between you Muslim.

8. We believe that he will come back down at the end of time

This is interesting!

So how will he come, as a full grown up man or born from a woman?

and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him

How Jews are the enemies of Jesus when Jesus was not killed by them?

and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God

Does this make sense, so for over 2000 years Jesus will now disprove a claim yet millions of have died believing the same story.

and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

How do you know this?

9. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

Someone who has been living in heaven for over 2000 years without dying, will suddenly come to earth and die. Funny, just too funny!

These are the beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) as founded in the Books of Islam.

Will you be comfortable with people when they list their OWN BELIEFS about Muhammad or you'll simply raise people against such person as blasphemy?

MaxInDHouse:
Oteneaaron, don't kill yourself with HBP, the truth about JEHOVAH, Jesus and Jehovah's Witnesses is far beyond what anyone can deny. So if you and your friends aren't interested in what we have no wahala but you can never ever stop prospective subjects of God's Kingdom from traveling through the road that leads to everlasting life!

See how he is making false accusation!

The other day it was Emusan is OLAADEGBU and johnw47.

He even claimed it was God's holy spirit that exposed me!

Priding in his ignorance is the most funny part

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse doesn't know the scriptures apart from the little which is not even scriptural the 8 men called governing body infused in his head about God having one religious organization doing his will on earth today . Does this applies?

In reality we shouldn't expect much from you apart from your usual show me the better performing performance religious group

When he started with his rant of OLAADEGBU is Emusan later Johnw47, I thought he was just joking but looking at his posts after that, show that he really pride in his ignorance to the extend of claiming God's holy spirit is the one that exposed me!

MaxInDHouse:
Àbí o!
After all he's been using it against JWs no be today!

OLAADEGBU is actually a thorn in your throat

cornelboy:
Mr trio, use your OLAADEGBU moniker to expose us

I know after the exposed, mouth twisting will come about how God's holy spirit exposed all my monikers

cornelboy:
To those that don't understand what miracle is.

So it's a miracle that your brother found out that I'm OLAADEGBU and johnw47 ko!

I just want this to reach certain level before exposed you people.

cornelboy:
How OLAADEGBU take be Emusan na in I wan know

Even you also confused despite your intelligent officer has cleared the air on that

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know how God's Holy Spirit do expose liars?
Walahi talahi there's miracles on Nairaland!

So it's God's holy spirit that exposed me as Johnw47 & OLAADEGBU

I'm wondering how your shameless face will be when you finally exposed, then you'll know you don't have God's holy spirit but Devil evil spirit

achorladey:
You will see him running back again to say let's chat or discuss like mature persons when cornered or needs to save face.

Na that one be serious laughter

That's it or very soon he will say Emusan and Archorladey are the same

MaxInDHouse:
No worry, let everyone know sey na Kumuyi pikin dey criticize JWs, that's nothing nah!

You can start from thread to thread to do that

cornelboy:
Mr trio. Kumuyi pikin

Thanks sir!

achorladey:
Since he said you are Johnw47, OLAADEEGBU, then you must be solite3, brocab joined together.

Or abi one of the Atheist on Nairaland

MaxInDHouse:
You won't hide under none-denominations stuff.
Most people knew Deeperlifers don't agree that others could be BORN AGAIN except inside Kumuyi church.
So stop shying away from Kumuyi church then i will be sure it's Kumuyi's followers verse Governing Body followers, everyone just claims to follow Jesus!

See the person claiming intelligent!

If you know me and Ola are the same, and you still want to be "SURE" who you're dealing with. That's so pathetic of intelligent officer

cornelboy:
Abi you dé whine mẹ ni.
It's started from you like that nìyẹn

That's ignoramus!

cornelboy:
Emusan, are you OLAADEGBU or not?

I leave the answer to your intelligent officer

achorladey:
Make we ask about his existence during the days of dolphinheart here?

We know the kind intelligence those ones parade here .

Maybe he thinks na close to 30,000 post dem dey use do am

A baby on Nairaland can't decipher that

MaxInDHouse:
Henceforth anytime you want to engage me in a discussion just use the OLAADEGBU account at least i now understand that it's Deeperlife against JWs.
No more hide and seek!

Why should I? Since you already know that me and Ola are the same! Or will your processor malfunction if I don't?

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala Mr OLAADEGBU-johnw47, i've heard you!

Ok Mr intelligent officer

MaxInDHouse:
This OLAADEGBU, Emusan, johnw47 accounts really did a smart job, in fact my intelligence was beaten. It's just now that i began studying his threads. Most pentecostals don't agree with Deeperlifers but Emusan and johnw47 never argued against OLAADEGBU for once.

@color part is just so ridiculous because when an ignorant person claiming to be intelligent, you can't but laugh at such delusion.

I keep laughing because when the time comes, it's your fellow old brothers on this forum that will expose your ignorance.

A little background check on those monikers could've saved you from this embarrassment.

cornelboy:
He can't deny it.

To deny your delusion is like fetching water with basket