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KNOWMORE56:
Yes, "one mighty God and another almighty God"...

*. Isaiah 9 6 "KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God , The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

*. Titus 2:13 "KJV:Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; "

The mighty God
the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; "
This is Jesus!

Me: Jesus is God
JWs: No! But a god

Me: Really?
JWs: Yes! because there's only one true God

Me: Ok, so is Jesus a true god or a false god?
JWs: mute!

Me: Hey Jman, did you hear what I said?
JWs: mute button press on

KNOWMORE56:
"You didn't address his point"

He's looking for a way to get to his usual comfort zone...

You Sabi him Wella

Janosky:
The Hebrew language word "spirit/ruach" has a broader meaning.

So JaNosenses knows this but he'll be acting as if a word has ONLY ONE MEANING.

Oga, look for the meaning of "spirit" that fits the context of Ezra 1:1,5.
JWs were right.

Which meaning again, Why can't you provide the meaning here?

Oga, read the Bible hub screenshot & resist the temptation to expose your luminous ignorance.

So other Bible translations are more accurate than your perverted translation NWT that's nice.

Here is another from your perverted translation

"A pronouncement: “The word of Jehovah concerning Israel,” declares Jehovah, The One who stretched out the heavens,+ Who laid the foundation of the earth,+ And who formed the spirit* of man within him. Zec 12:1 NWT

The SPIRIT of man was actually FORMED WITHIN HIM.

No matter how you and your organization will try to hide the truth, truth will always prevail.

See tactics this JaNosenses used to avoid my post

Janosky:
Science/Technology / My Journey Into Complex Electronics Design!
by Emusan. 5 posts & 231 views. 4:27pm On Aug 23, 2021 (Emusan)

What does this have to do with this thread? See your stupidity in action

Emusan who wants Nairaland to believe he is a professional, his stupidity and LYING is stupendous.

I can't see the correlation between what you say here with my previous post....is that how you dull reach

Emusan, what is the duty of a Craftsman?

The challenge is show me where the craftman claimed to do anything in Prov 8....

You are very dull & LYING on Nairaland.
Jankara Oluyole graduate.

Oponu Mr Gebbrish typer!

Janosky:
Read the scriptures in the Biblehub screenshot.

No answer there!

Answer 2 questions for you:
Who is a god in those verses in your own Bible?

Answer mine first.

Why do you Continue to provide evidence of your stupidity?[/b]

My question is very simple

What is the difference between a god and the God?
Why are you afraid of answering that simple question?

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS when will you repent from LYING?

You know there is know repentance for your father the Devil but for you, you still have hope

Proverbs 8:22-30 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 & Hebrew 1:2,is "Jesus,the Wisdom/Craftsman" a person?

But the craftman never says he created anything in Prov 8, I challenge you to point it where the craftman claimed such

Also, my main point is that Jews shouldn't be yardstick since they too don't believe that anybody helped Jehovah to create the universe.

Ordeh LYING in public .
Did your Bible begin from Genesis & end in Genesis?

Idiot, that was the reason I cited Prov 8.

The God the Supreme Being,ho Theos is person in the spiritual realm.

Nobody argue that! But that's not the point of John 4:24

Pls resist the temptation to type GIBBERISH on this public forum.

The severe painment has started for Mr Gebbrish

Has Genesis 1:27 & 5:2 & Matthew 19:4-5 shed light on Genesis1:26?

No wonder you couldn't provide the scripture where man was created in the Image of heavenly beings

Yes !
God The Creator is NOT Jesus Christ.

But Jesus created you and your father before he became the Devil

Even Jehovah won't deny that!

Because Trinity formatted your brain.

Just as those lying 8 old men in Warwick formated your brain and replaced it with dust

Source:: Google..
"Who discovered electron Thomson or Faraday?
The fact that they were very small electrically charged particles led the English physicist J. J. Thomson (1856 to 1940) to identify them with the electrons of Faraday's experiments. Thus cathode rays are a beam of electrons which come out of the solid metal of the cathode.2 Apr 2022[/i]
https://chem.libretexts.org › 4.09:_T...
4.9: The Electron - Chemistry

Jankara Oluyole graduate, why is Michael Faraday said to be the 'Father of Electricity'?
Who is the Father @ Matthew 19:4-5 & Genesis 1:27?

He has started diving into what he has limited knowledge about.

The fact is that, you injected your own delusion into that, no Bible verse supported it.

Mr LIENUS deceiving himself.
Is Genesis 1:3, Isaiah 48:13& Psalms 33:9 the only portions of your Bible?
Is Hebrew 1:2 "God made the Universe through his Son" in your Bible?

So God is lying in Isaiah, Psalms and Prov ko

Here are those verses again and point out where God used another being.

Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Isaiah 48:13 With my own hand I created the earth and stretched out the sky. They obey my every command.

Psalms 33:9 As soon as he spoke the world was created; at his command, the earth was formed.

Confused Mr LIENUS,in your Point 1 and 2, is "his image" (singular term) @ Genesis 1:27 referring to 3 persons?

"US" dey your Bible @ Genesis 1:27?

If not because you're very dull, the plural pronoun US & OUR were used but with singular VERB image.

What does that tell you if you're a good student of English?

Is the Bible truth of Genesis 1:27, Matthew 19:4-5 & Hebrew 1:2 in your Bible?
Continue deceiving yourself.

The truth is that Bible makes it clear that God created the universe ALONE and Genesis 1:27 shows that the PLURAL pronoun US & OUR speak about the member of that one GOD.

Phat LIAR on Nairaland.
LIAR wey know Bible pass Jesus Christ & Paul, the apostle.

I never claimed such rather it's you and your brothers who always claim that.

Imprint Matthew 19:4-5 & 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 & Romans 11:35-36 into your brain.
"ALL THINGS came through The GOD his Father"

And the same ALL THINGS came through The Word. So no OTHER things came through the Father

Yimu...Did Jesus Christ create his Father?

No! Neither did the Father create His Word (Jesus)

Emusan & 3 deities devotees just too dull to understand the context of Colossians 1:15-16.

JaNosenses the lying liar never provide the Greek interlinear where the word OTHER appeared.

Verse 15, Jesus Christ is a creature.

He's not a creature.
Provide your Catholic Bible, Mounce Greek, and any other screenshot you have let's see if Col 1:15 says Jesus is a creature.

In fact, let me help you with one of your organization favorite translation CEV "Christ is exactly like God, who cannot be seen. He is the first-born Son, superior to all creation."

This is the true interpretation of Col 1:15

But for your father to continue to have feast day on your and your organization the word "OTHER" which was never part of the Greek was inserted. Which you know but afraid to call out this great perversion on God's word of your organization.

Verse 16 "ALL THINGS" EXCLUDED his Father (proven by Romans 11:35-36 & 1 Corinthians 8:6) the Creator.

Yes just as ALL THINGS EXCLUDED THE WORD (JESUS) and Reason why your perverted translation inserted the word OTHER just to continue deceiving you and your likes.

Emusan,Phat LIAR on Nairaland.

So far, you're the lying lair here.

Did your Trinity mentors Biblehub & new testament Bible say "A God" with capital letters?

Does Greek knows about CAPITAL LETTER OR SMALL LETTER?

The appropriate question is:
What is the difference between "a god" and "the God"? Read John 10:33 &1 Corinthians 8:6, John 1:1, & the screenshot, Paul & John knew Jesus is a god.

Those verses never define what is a god or the God, so tell us what is the difference between a god and the God?

You keep dodging this question because you know your lying mouth will be further exposed.

John 4:24 & John 14:1, John 1:1 Acts 3:13,,Jesus Christ , Peter & John knew "the God is his Father[/b]

Just tell the difference between a god and the God....simple

Dubious fellow, put capital letters for God @ Acts 12:22 ,Acts 28:6 & 1 Corinthians 8:4.

Idiot JaNosenses, does Greek have capital or small letters?

If you & your 3 deities devotees were honest, place small letter god @ John 10:33 & John 1:1 where John put it ( PROVEN by the screenshot of Biblehub , your 3 deities devotees.)[/b]

Olodo....John put small letter in John 1:1

You should stop disgracing yourself on a public forum.

Jesus is God and that will forever be causing severe painment for you and your father the Devil

Janosky:
You are so fraught with dishonesty.
Jesus Christ is a god.
Your fellow 3 deities devotees Trinitarians, biblehub agreed.

So is Jesus Christ a true god or a false god?

KNOWMORE56:
I've not seen any man said there are more than one true God...

They believe Jesus is "A GOD", you should have asked him if Jesus is A TRUE GOD or A FALSE GOD?

Janosky:
Psalm 45:6-7 is the original copy of Hebrew 1:8.
Psalm 45:6 ,Masoretic Text "the throne given of God"
Psalms 45:6, Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible/The Message Bible, the Catholic Pope knows that your quote of Trinitarian Hebrew 1:8 is a FRAUD.

You didn't address his point.

The Angels worship Him!
And what all this also say about your NWT in Colossians 1:16-18?

Na your Trinity mentors /3 deities slaves dubiously add "Worshippers" @ 1 Peter 3:22.

Just as your organization dubiously inserted OTHER @Col 1:16-18

Matthew 20:28 Jesus SERVE others.

That doesn't mean THEY WILL NOT SERVE JESUS which you supported by Matt 4:10

Oga, your quote of John 12:26 is deceptive.

It's not! because his not the translator

The Word "SERVE" is "minister" @ John 12:26 & Matthew 20:28.

Rather say it can also means MINISTER.

Provide the screenshot of that verse from Biblehub as you always do, let's see if it means SERVE or not

I have no problem with you LYING in your house.
But, STOP LYING repeatedly to the public

When it's evident that you're the one lying.

Oga,Why do you love to prove your disobedience to Jesus Christ instructions @ Mark 12:29-30 & Matthew 4:10?
"Worship only his Father and God.".

So Russell and his pagan team disobeyed Jesus Christ yet they are still part of the 144,000

Janosky:
Your points are noted.
The Jews believe & teach Elohim is NOT a plural of persons.
Rather, Elohim is plural of Majesty.
Ekun si le "Our Fathers" as the Yorubas would say to reference one Father

That's their belief which they failed to interpret accordingly on what was revealed to them. Just as the Jews never believe that God used ANOTHER PERSON at the creation.

because Prov 8 still talks about God doing everything BY HIMSELF.

So what they believe can't be used as a yardstick to what the scripture revealed.

God is also a person in the Spiritual realm, John 4:24.

John 4:24 wasn't about PERSON but nature.

Thorough research & understanding of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation would shed light on Genesis 1:26.

This should be the truth but just as you accused the Trinitarian, you also injected your own lies

1st point:
Genesis 1:27 & Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus Christ agreed God his Father is the Creator.
He ("the Father" who brings an idea is the Creator of the product from that idea.
That product is man.

You have to use "He ("the Father" who brings an idea..." as your injection when scripture never said anything like that.

What scripture says was that God spoke and it was so!

Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Isaiah 48:13 With my own hand I created the earth and stretched out the sky. They obey my every command.

Psalms 33:9 As soon as he spoke the world was created; at his command, the earth was formed.

To say another being was used is to call God a liar. In fact, God says in that Isaiah 48:13 that the COMMAND was issues directly to the things created.

2nd Point:
Who are the "us" present @ Genesis 1:26?
Trinitarians says they are Triune of Father,Son & holy Spirit.

Yes! Trinity are correct. Why? because the Bible says man was CREATED in the very God's OWN IMAGE not heavenly beings/creatures

To say the "US" in Genesis 1:27 is about ALL THE BEINGS in heaven means man was created in the IMAGE OF ANGELS too, which I believe you can't support with any scripture.

But, the Creator disagrees.

No! Creator perfectly agreed which is the reason the same creator revealed that man was created in HIS OWN IMAGE. it would have been OUR IMAGES.

Job 38:1-7, Yahweh says many spirit beings (including the morning Star of Rev 22:16 the being called 'Wisdom/Craftsman' @ Proverbs 8:22-30 & 1 Cor 1:24) were present & rejoiced at the Creation of man.

@underlined is your injection not what Job 38 says.

Besides, no scripture both old and new testament ever ascribed creation to Angels so definitely the US in Gen 1:27 is those who are already part of the creation processes which are the Holy spirit and The Word.

3rd Point
Therefore, the spiritual realm existed before the earthly realm.

Very correct!

Because God created angels /morning Star before man.

Speak truth and let the devil be ashamed for once.

The Word created the angels and man

One being (called "The Wisdom/Craftsman" came through his Father, Roman 11:35-36 & Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14,Mark 13:19.

He didn't rather ALL THINGS came through The Word.

Reason why your translation perverted Col 1:16-18 by insertion of the word "OTHER" which was never part of the Greek interlinear

4th Point:
Every other Creature came through God's first born called "The Wisdom/ Craftsman/ The Word" in the holy scriptures, John 1:1-3, Hebrews 1:2, Colossians 1:16 & 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
Greek dia antou/"THROUGH him (Jesus)/ Channel of Creation, NOT the Creator his God/Father.

Not "every OTHER creatures" that word can't be found Greek interlinear except from your NWT translation.

What scripture says is "ALL THINGS"

The Jews knew Jesus is a god @ John 10:33 (don't mind the mess the Trinitarians made at John 10:33 to deceive people by using capital letter (See the Screenshot).
Jesus is a god , because Paul ,John & Matthew said Jesus is NOT the Creator,1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
Matthew 19:4-5.

Shalom.

I've been asking you this but you keep dodging it.

What is the difference between "A God" and "God"?

Another thing people should notice in your dubious statement above is @color, here you're trying to make it look like CAP is important when it's just the choice of the translators.

MaxInDHouse:
The only difference between Jesus and all other spirit sons of God is that he is the first creature God made directly all by Himself {Colossians 1:15 compare to Proverbs 8:22} hence he became God's only begotten Son, afterwards he (Jesus) created all other things through his father's instructions! Colossians 1:16 compare to Proverbs 8:30

@color - They shall know the truth and the truth shall set them free

Janosky:
@ Matthew 24:36, only his Father knows ALL things.
Jesus Christ proven you are LYING in public.
Very serious offence.

But Bible says Jesus also KNOW ALL THINGS which means you're the one lying in public.

Janosky:
LYING is in your genes,Mr Emusan.

While lack of comprehension is embedded in your DNA

You saw the screenshot view points of your 3 deities devotees copied by BishopKingsley & you continue deceiving yourself.
Abeg, get lost!!.

That's what I'm saying @Bishopkingsley is your yardstick on Bible.

Besides, his point is so straight forward that a toddler won't find it hard to understand

Janosky:
This boi, STOP repeating this GIBBERISH.

The only Mr Gebbrish himself

BishopKingsley your fellow 3 deities devotees & Trinitarians already PROVEN that @Revelation 5:13-14, Worship is NOT for Jesus.

So @Bishopkingsley is now your yardstick for Bible

Your claim is false.
Why is the same ghost your holy deity given you & BishopKingsley CONFLICTING information on Revelation 5:13-14?

Alaroye! Besides, @Bishopkingsley never conflict him, @Bishopkingsley only said the word translated as WORSHIP in Rev 5:15 was translated by your demonic organization as obesance.

Meanwhile, reading that Rev 5:13-15 the worship was given to the one sitting on the throne and THE LAMB

Colossians 1:15 Jesus Christ is a creature,na your Bible talk am.
Why Freshboi dey change am with false claims?

Just as your Bible says Jesus is your creator, your God and your Life.

John 1:1; 1:3

Your fellow 3 deities devotees /Trinitarians (in screenshot) say your claim is false.
This boi,go and rest.

Lying liar, still twisting a plain and simple sentence by @Bishopkingsley

Janosky:
John 10:33 & John 1:1 , 1 Corinthians 8:6,The Jews
John and Paul knew Jesus is a god (in the screenshot)

So what is the difference between "A God" and "God"?

He'll soon shot himself in the leg now

Emusan pls REPENT.

Is that the new tactics

Stop LYING, Mr LIENUS.

Stop your delusion JaNosenses

"Ho Theos (the God) sent his son born of a woman", Galatians 4:4.

I know you don't understand scripture but I'll continue to teach you

[color=blue]But when the time was right, God sent his Son, and a woman gave birth to him. His Son obeyed the Law, Gal 4:4 CEV[color]

So you can see, it was Son before coming.

Jesus Christ is a Son before his earthly birth by Mary.[/b]

Liar?

He was The Word of God.

Reason why The Word and not SON became Flesh!

chatinent:
You are just confusing yourself.

When you don't even understand his point in the first place.

How do you explain that to a 7year old?

Even a 5 years old will grab it than 7 years old

Jesus is not God!

But your translation even said He is "A GOD"

So how can you open your mouth to say Jesus isn't God?

How can you be saying he is God and he is the son.

The Bible says so not him!

Besides, Jesus is the son of God when he became part of the creation.

And the father sent the son

Is it a new thing to you?

and the son came down to obey the father. Na wa o

No! The Word who became the Son CAME down.

Do you understand now?

MaxInDHouse:
When someone thinks, talks and behaves like a woman we don't refer to them as males in the army.

Lying liar, instead of you to bury your face in shame for FALSE ACCUSATION which Bible strictly against. You're here claiming right.

And the most astonish part is, claiming JWs has nothing to do with military but always proud to be once a soldier always a soldier

If the moniker wants to prove being a man let her do so by typing intelligently not running and hiding behind people whose comments are never coherent and trying to tell me that such miscreants are making sense.

You're now the owner of Nairaland who can determine what people should do on faceless forum

You accused someone falsely and you couldn't even fill sober for that but still finding a way to twist it.

Ohhhhh I get it now, @color red is your headache

I think Nairaland should reserve the word MAKING SENSE OR INTELLIGENT OFFICER for you alone

cornelboy:
The dude is a man not woman.
Check his name:
A-girls-nightmare
Like it means he's a nightmare for girls or something. So he's a man.

Even you can see through his delusion!

So why did he derive joy in making false accusation?

And he's claiming to be intelligent officer

MindHacker9009:
You are the one that prides in ignorance! If not you would know that someone who resists against a foreign army occupying their nation is not a criminal and this is the reason they were called Jewish zealots and not criminals as they were resisting the occupation of the Holy land Israel by the Roman army.

The link I posted made it clear that "Crucifixion was most frequently used to punish political or religious agitators, pirates, slaves, or those who had no civil rights."

So it is wise to say that as the crucifixion was in Israel that the other two on the cross with Jesus were Jewish zealots who were resisting Roman occupation of their nation Israel.

Still priding in ignorance!

Define criminal and let the devil be ashamed

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century Romans don't execute criminals on CROSSES that's indisputable fact

You'll just open your mouth waaa and lie.

From the same link the OP provided
"crucifixion, an important method of capital punishment particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BCE to the 4th century CE."

But your first lie was "This is true the Romans don't use CROSSES to execute criminals it's rather poles..."

Crucifixion has been in used many centuries even before Jesus was born by the Romans and was abolished by Constantine the great in 4th century AD/CE

So how come both historians and the archeological evidence of crucifixion are not true but only what your organization says is true?

but i choose not to respond to the misinformed Churchgoer because he's only looking for someone with whom he can exchange words.

I know your mode of oparand

You don't need to respond to my post, just provide your source where you read that Romans don't execute criminals on Cross but POLES, if you're sure of your claim.

His other moniker with which he's promoting Deeperlife is boring and deserted so he's trying to call my attention and i'm not going to give him that!

He is being tormented by Deeper Life.
Kumuyi mist be given your organization a serious headache

MindHacker9009:
For which crimes did Romans use crucifixion?

Crucifixion was most frequently used to punish political or religious agitators, pirates, slaves, or those who had no civil rights.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/crucifixion-capital-punishment

Funny enough!

Your claimed was "There are no historical records of Jews or Romans using crucifixion for criminals"

Who is a CRIMINAL?

You even provided a link that goes against your claim and you still think you have a point.

I don't know why you people always try to pride in ignorance!

MaxInDHouse:
This is a response for you!But instead of standing on what you think you know, it's another person's quote that you're thinking about!

When his lies are busted

Is this how you're promote your own truth?

That's not your concern!

Did Romans crucify people on Cross or not?

You and your demonic organization can keep denying that archeological evidence of crucifixion but it won't stop us showing you people.

"My enemy's enemy automatically becomes my friend"

I'm used to this your cry.

I quoted that person to correct him that he was wrong for claiming no historical records for crucifixion. Which you blindly think he was right and turn around to call people "misinformed" when in reality you're the most "MISINFORMED" about the issue.

Now only to be claiming the victim card

AntiChristian:
No! English creation is better cos Joshua and Jesus are similar in Hebrew unlike in English! Yeshua/Yehoshua! How does this translates to Jesus? Same thing with YHWH that was coined as Yahweh then to Jehovah by William Tyndale!

You're still displaying your ignoramus!

Nothing like English creation but English translation.

So far so good, Jesus of Christians is different from your Eesa.

Don't be pained! Yeah not the same. One was the God humans created while the other acknowledged God as his creator!

Or you're the one in pain...

So you agreed they are not the same!

QED

Islam determines that.

Smile....at least it's not God who determined it but Islam.

Can you prove its Blasphemy from your Bible?

The only blasphemy for Christianity is against the Holy spirit which is left for God to judge.

So claiming Muslim have their OWN beliefs about Jesus but calling others blasphemer for having their OWN BELIEFS about Muhammad, is self delusion.

Because the Shariah says it's blasphemy! So wherever we have the Shariah, Blasphemy is Blasphemy!

That should be for Muslim not for anyone outside shariah.

If Deborah was a Muslim thee uproar won't much like placing everyone under Shariah when shariah should be strictly for Muslim.

So if you as a Muslim have your own belief about a person, then you should expect other to have their own belief about your Muhammad

Actually the same person given different personalities!

You're too dull! You said above that "Yeah, not the same"

The law establishing blasphemy does not exists in Christianity! Jesus won't even punish people for fornication! So only Shariah (and some other laws) enforces it.

It does against the Holy spirit which only God has right to handle.

But shariah wasn't meant for everyone except Muslim.

So you don't have right to hide under Shariah and claim your own beliefs about Jesus while others who have their own belief about Muhammad would be killed.

You said he put forth the law of procreation for himself right?

"For Himself" where did I say that?

And He broke that law.

Despite my simple explanation, you still find it hard to comprehend

Now you are saying God personally producesd Jesus's Y Chromosomes.

Yes!

Where was this stated in the Bible?

When Angel Gabriel told Mary that the Holy Spirit will visit her.

Which Chromosome did your God supply when making Eve from Adam?

Olodo....Adam and Eve were created, reason why you don't apply a word like BORN to them.

God only used the first three options and left the last for Jesus.

Which is the reason Jesus will be the greatest human in life.

Eve and Jesus are even similar in this regard.

They are not! Eve was created while Jesus was Born. If they are, then you should be able to apply the word BORN to two of them.

There was no law restricting creation among humans to male and female copulation and fertilization.

There is law of procreation! Which means until a man and woman meet before another human can be produced

The man will donate Y chromosome and the woman X chromosome without this there's not baby formed. So it's a law set by God.

God did everything! He created Adam from earth and Jesus from his mother too!

Olodo... Jesus was not created from his mother, rather Jesus was BORN from his mother.

Rather we came from the product of a man and a woman!

Which is the law of procreation.

God never stood in place of man?

He did in Jesus case by providing the Y Chromosome.

My own God does not have Chromosomes, gametes/ Sex cells, etc.

If God doesn't have Chromosome, so where did Chromosome come from?

I just remembered that the sons of God were able to impregnate humans in Genesis 6:1-4.

They are not, that was wrong interpretation like you people who want to force Jesus into creation. Spirit beings can never have human organs.

So i now clearly understand why you are saying God gave marry the Y chromosomes! That's an euphemism for God indirectly impregnating Mary! No wonder Catholics call her mother of God and pray to her.

Another delusion statement.

You didn't understand anything just your delusion

If God impregnated Mary, then she can't be Mother or God rather Wife of God!

I believe God is actively involved in creation even among couples!

But the couple must first come together.

No! Adam had no father and mother! He was not protected by any Parent nor nurtured in the womb by a human's placenta. Same as Eve.

That's why they were said to be CREATED

They should be rated greater than Jesus in this case!

They are first human CREATED, SO if another human without FATHER should appear then the person will be the greatest.

Adam had his whole XY Chromosomes created by God not half as you gave Jesus.

Olodo.....God didn't create Adam XY chromosome but created Adam as a whole where other human can derive their Y and from Eve for X chromosome.

Yet you skipped any comment on those verses! Matthew 5:17, 20 and Matthew 17:3

I didn't

Jesus had no power to change it of himself!
Matthew 5:17, 20 and Matthew 17:3

That means you're more confused than I thought, were you not the first person who said Jesus changed the Israelites law

Which is the point I'm making, now you rush back to Bible to claim He didn't changed.

So if Jesus can change Israelites law then He is God. I know it'll be hard for you to swallow.

AntiChristian:
It does! Jesus was an English creation! The real name is Yehoshua.

English creation, sounds like a word from an illiterate.

Rather English Translation

The Arab Christians call him ‘Eesaa Yasoo‘!

The Arab Christians was God's son, God, Crucified, resurrected, went to Heaven!

So it can't be the same with Muslim Eesaa

The name ‘Eesa is an Arabised form of the name Yashoo‘ (Yeshua), with a transposition of letters, altering the letter sheen to seen. This often happens in words that are transmitted from Hebrew to Arabic. The letter seen in the words al-maseeh (messiah) and Moosa is a sheen in Hebrew (mashiach and Moshe), as is the final letter in the word shams (sun, which in Hebrew is shemesh). End quote.
Tafseer al-Manaar (3/251)

Nobody asked you this! The simple point is Christians (Arab, Hausa, Jews e.t.c) Jesus is different from Muslim Eesaa.

People have their beliefs which can be unfounded or not.

Who decided if a belief is unfounded or not?

The point is, the way you Muslim called your own belief and called people who do the same BLASPHEMY is what I'm pointing out.

Everyone does have their own beliefs about God not to talk of Humans.

That's the point, so why do you call other people BELIEF blasphemy when it comes to Muhammad?

The Arab Christians still used that name but you are here arguing blindly!

But the don't address the same person!

Yeah, the point is some belief Jesus to be a Messenger of God. Some call him God's son but not God. Others call him God directly. Those are beliefs.

Now you're talking, so which they belief about Him, you're also blasphemy against their beliefs. Do you agree?

God didn't set any law for himself. So which law did He override?

Can you remind me where I said God set a certain law for HIMSELF?

God has already put forth the law of procreation, which means after the creation of Adam and Eve, God does need to create any human again but human can reproduce human by coming together of man and woman.

Yet God set that aside and personally PRODUCED the Y chromosome of Jesus, why?

That is the question

Adam came from earth!

Yes!

Eve came from Adam.

No! God brought Eve from Adam because Adam alone can't bring another human

Jesus came from a woman!

No! We all came from a woman but Man and woman are needed to bring forth another human. Why did God stand in place of Man?

Others came from a man and woman!

That mean Jesus is the highest human since He doesn't came from man and woman.

So which is the law of procreation God broke?

Explained above!

This is even contrary to what Jesus said in your Bible in Matthew 5:17.
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. So if Jesus changed the law then he lied!

But Jesus couldn't have changed the law himself except if he was [b]sent [/b]to do so!

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. Matthew 17:3

Secondly Jesus was inspired to do the things he did as he said:

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. Matthew 5:30

Why did he keep making reference to the person who sent him?

It's not contrary rather your comprehension skill is low.

This is your claimed

"Yes, that's why the Prophets/messengers are sent. To bring new laws, abrogate some, upheld others or simply use other's law."

You agreed, Jesus changed the Israelites law.
Which no one has power to do except the person is God Himself.

And there's no record of any prophets who ever did that.

Where is the evidence?

You're asking for evidence when you wrote it in OP that Jesus Himself changed Israelites law

Of cos he wasn't crucified nor was he killed!

But the story of Jonah you alluded to says "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

Jesus says He'll be in the HEARTH of the Earth like Jonah in the belly of fish

So how did Jesus get to the heart of the Earth?

And the stories does not add up even in your Bible.

Nobody asked you!

Jonah didn't die in the fish! So Jesus didn't die in the grave too according to your Bible.

But He entered the Grave as Jonah entered the fish, abi?

Yes that's the Christian belief.
Our belief is summarised in the narration below:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah (tax paid by non-Muslims in an Islamic state), and money will become so widespread that there will be no one who will accept it.” (Agreed upon; narrated by Muslim, no. 155).

Well this is from the Hadith and not Quran itself but let me take this.

Jesus will DESCEND, I guess from heaven!

I guess that's as clear as a full grown man!

Now very interesting! But the same Jesus has been living for over 2000 years, not growing old, no change in His physical look e.t.c He must be ancient of days

But the same Jesus will come to eat and started getting old and die

Didn't they try sought to kill him?
Are people who tried killing you your friends?
Quit being cynical.

But the people who tried to kill him have all DEAD LONG AGO.

While you and Allah made it look like the people who tried to kill him are still the one he'll come and meet.

And He says of the Messiah (interpretation of the meaning):
“And when I (Allaah) inspired Al‑Hawariyyoon (the disciples) [of ‘Eesa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: ‘We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims’”
[al-Maa'idah 5:111]

This is not what I asked you!

Which idea sucks? Blame that on your low perception! Jesus is human and never died! His body and soul is preserved till he will come back.

Very suck idea! Only if you can remove that Islamic veil you'd have it.

You won't need to show cos you can't show what does not exist. You just have to make things up.
You can't show but can request for people to show you things?
You can't even quote one Bible verse!

Yes I don't need to show you but the reality is that people have their BELIEFS about Muhammad which you will tag blasphemy rather than calling it BELIEFS.

Besides, I quote Bible verses when needed!

MaxInDHouse:
This is true the Romans don't use CROSSES to execute criminals it's rather poles where the criminals were nailed with both hands on each other likewise the foot

I challenge you to provide the evidence for Romans using POLE as a form of execution.

This is what happens when your organization forbidden you of doing research outside Watchtower website.

Here is a link to an article of archeological evidence of crucifixion by Romans.

but we have tried to enlighten misinformed Churchgoers on this as the CROSS is another form of religion on its own that has nothing to do with CHRISTIANITY.

When in reality you're the misinformed Hallgoer here!

You can enlighten yourself and your fellow misinformed Hallgoers that Romans never used pole for execution put CROSSES.

MindHacker9009:
There are no historical records of Jews or Romans using crucifixion for criminals.

This is pure lie!

Many historical records of crucifixion are available unless you decide to turn blind eyes to it.

Also, there's archeological evidence of crucifixion.

johnw47:
that the Holy Spirit exposed you, olladegbu and i johnw47 as being the same person:

lying about the Holy Spirit:

And the same person will be quick to speak against those false preachers using God's holy spirit for fraudulent activities outside his organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, your OLAADEGBU account has become boring, no customer so you're determined to hook up with Maximus to trade words, shey?

Your cup of tea but just like I said on that thread, the day I'll decide to expose your lying on this is coming (I'm just waiting for your cup to full), though I know your shameless lying mouth will be twisting up and down again.

That day you'll know your brain is full of dust!

You should know that i'm much more intelligent than that, henceforth you're no more getting any responses from me!

Lying liar intelligent officer

You don't need to tell me, Mr unintelligent officer

AntiChristian:
You should know his name was not Jesus in Israel.

That doesn't address my point.

No! The Beliefs of Muslims as regard Jesus son of Mary.

Then do you understand that people have their beliefs as regard Muhammad of Islam?

I didn't say that in OP! You brought that up probably from your Holy Spirit.

Attacking strawman argument has started.
I never said you did that in the Op, do I?

I have an Hausa Bible where the name "Allah" is plenty there but it's the same Alah you always want to abuse. Anyways, this is thread derailment.

Out of point!
Do you think Non Muslim don't have their own beliefs about Muhammad and Allah? Is the question.

You can show us where the exact names of both were written let us see!

Written by who?

The fact is, Christian's Jesus is different from your Isa

Jesus never for one called himself God in the bible nor told anyone to worship him.

That's not the point.
That is SOME PEOPLE OWN BELIEF about Jesus.

He was narrated praying and putting his head on the ground in prayer. Muhammad is not recognised in your Bible as you have it today!

Irrelevant because I'm not here to drag that with you.

God is the law maker and creates whatever he wills anytime He wills. Adam was from earth and has no parents. Jesus even had a mother, was in the womb for months, passed through the birth canal at birth, was suckled by his mother, was protected by his parents, was circumcised, etc.

Reason why you couldn't address my point.

Again, why will God override His own law of procreation in the case of Jesus?

Yes, that's why the Prophets/messengers are sent. To bring new laws, abrogate some, upheld others or simply use other's law.

No prophet ever recorded to abrogate any law. Only God has right to do that

If he is God, show where he claimed so!

Claim is part of what He did! So He changed the Israelites law of what only God can do.

This can be proven from you Bible when Jesus mentioned the sign of Prophet Jonah!

But Jonah entered fish belly.

So do you agree Jesus entered the grave?

You believe he's coming to so you can answer that!

Yes! He is coming to judge the world in His full glory.

Now answer My question, so how will he come, as a full grown up man or born from a woman?

Has your enemy killed before you started binding and asking Holy ghost fire to come against them?

So you can't tell how Jews are Jesus enemies

Because our texts says so. He was a Muslim. Even in your Bible he was never a Christian as Christianity and Judaism never existed as a religion! They all submitted to the one God (in Islam).

Provide where your text says so!

Jonah was thrown in the sea. He didn't drown! The fish's teeth didn't crush him. The acid in the fish's stomach didn't digest him.
And he was even able to pray in the fish's belly. And he eventually came out. So all things are possible by Allah's will.

That is miracle which only happens on earth! because miracle is for human not heavenly beings

You can see how the whole idea sucks.

Then you will have to show us where the beliefs are in your Books.

I don't need to show you because it is people OWN BELIEFS

At least Holy Spirit can't invent a new Bible for Christians in 2022.

Off points!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in what your superintendent teaches

Then it's common sense that you shouldn't have asked me to tell you what your superintendent teaches about Jesus of Nazareth in the first place

what i'm saying is "stop trailing me

Just as you're trailing others

preach to atheists" hope you get the message now!

And I'm still reminding you that, you're not the one who'll tell me who to preach to. I've been doing that before you ever dream of becoming JWs.

So let Atheist tell me to preach to them unless you're the spoke person for Atheist

MaxInDHouse:
Me, Kumuyi teaching?

So why did you want to know about what kumuyi says about Jesus of Nazareth in the first place? Can you see how tiny your brain is?

Please tell the atheist that created this thread not me!

Are you the spoke person for Atheist?

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala, what did Kumuyi say about Jesus of Nazareth?

Sneak into any deeper life near you for that!

That's what you need to preach now Sir!

You don't need to tell me because I've been doing that before you join JWs!