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RealTalker02:
Lost cause.

If spirit is already a being, your ignorance don't even know what to place as the soul. Or else he admit both are the same

I like your mind reading

You're still confused, try harder!

mhmsadyq:
Injustice?

Yes! Or was the instruction not meant for ONLY Angels?

How come Allah punished Satan for failing to obey the commandment given to Angels if Satan is just a Jinn?

Ok. I no fit shout!

If you have anything to the contrary, i am here.

Ok, how will you feel, if your son/daughter came from school and told you how he/she was punished by the principal only for you to ask him/her what was his/her offense? and he/she says "the principal asks all the SSS3 students to knee down at the assembly which all sss3 did but only to start flogging all sss2 & sss1 who didn't knee down"?

RealTalker02:
Point out what was twisted, if two things appearing together mean they are different

Still proving his confusion

Can you explain what is the soul, since the spirit is what goes for judgement,? Both usually appear together , or are they the Same thing ?

Google is there for you not me

RealTalker02:
Are you afraid?

If truly We have three persons here

Person of the Father

Person of the Son
And person of the spirit.

Between the Son and holy spirit, do you agree the son is closest to the Father going by the text that said nobody knows the Father except the Son ?

Yet you claim to know the son when it's the only FATHER who knows the son

RealTalker02:
Nice word play, it has become " always means " .

Rather you're the dishonest person playing with word.

You make it seems it's ALWAYS MEAN BREATH

You finally agree Ruach means breath.

I never deny it, do I?

But do you agree that Ruach also mean SPIRIT?

This is the same word translated spirit.

Now you're talking. So which means it not ALWAYS MEAN breath as you're crying over since.

Something your gullible sef have been denying since.

Where did I deny it?

Are you not the dumb mind trying to make it look like it Always MEANS BREATH?

What else does Ruach meant as applicable to man and animals?

It means in man it means more than animal reason majority of scholars agreed to it as being for man and reason the Bible says It'll go back to God while that animal will have no reason to go to back to heaven.

This is a foolish argument.

Your is more dumbest.

To get Judgement requires your thoughts. No thought, means no life. This means what goes out is breath, it carries no idea of a thinking living person.

Your next statement proves it right .

You don't need thought on judgment day.

The text said Jesus preach to spirits in prison . This means this are people capable of thoughts.

You can't prove it further.

Not humans whose thought perish at death, preaching requires your mind.

It's evident you don't understand those verses

This are clearly not ghosts, but angels.

Liar, Jesus didn't come to help Angels but human.

How long will you continue to defend your dumb doctrine?

The ridiculous thing about this text is you interpret the prison here to mean hell. Contradicting what Jesus said about hell

' Fear who can destroy body and soul in hell ' . To be in hell requires an human body.

Lol...... definitely you don't understand Jesus there.

Your idea has been spirit in hell, which doesn't rhyme with the requirement here, those in prison are angels, any reference to man in hell must be with their body.

Jesus never come to help Angels, saying that alone shows you lack scriptural knowledge.

Definitely you don't understand Jesus Christ there.

RealTalker02:
Soul and spirit are also used in the same verse. Dont they mean the same thing in your context here?

What goes for judgement is spirit right ?

What happen to the Soul ?

You are confused fellow

Keep twisting mouth like a confused person

RealTalker02:
Show me where you answer the question.

If nobody in heaven or Earth knows the Father except the Son , Do you admit the person of the son is closer to the Father than holy spirit ?

You can begin to read my post since I join nairaland

Janosky:
Bros talk true, is the word,"God" @ John 10:30?
E no dey there,na you put am.

Just as the word "other" was never part of Colossians 1:16-18, Phil 2:7 but was dubiously inserted into your own translation.

When are you going to talk about that?

Your Trinity mentors agreed that Jesus is the ANGEL of the covenant.
Amplified Bible & 1599 Geneva bible. Pls go confirm.

Just at the same Trinity mentors say Jesus is God

"Who is himself God" is a DUBIOUS insert into the Bible.
Bill mounce Greek interlinear Bible confirm that.

Just as your organization dubiously inserted the word 'other" into their own translation.

When are you going to call them out?

Don't forget, the same Bill Mounce Greek interlinear Bible confirmed that the insertion of the word "other" is a dubious insertion

Many Bible texts were tampered with,by Trinitarians like they did @ 1 Timothy 3:16.[/b]

Don't forget the Bible text your organization also tampered with like that of Colossians 1:16-18

To start with, "eternally blessed" Is not in the Greek Interlinear of Roman 9:5..

To open your eyes, "other" was not in the Greek interlinear of Colossians 1:16-18, Phil 2:7

The Word "Hos( who /he" is NOT God.
In the Greek Interlinear of 1 Timothy 3:16, your Trinity mentors DUBIOUSLY insert "Theo's"
Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear is your friend.

In the Greek interlinear of Colossians 1:16-18, your 8 lying old men DUBIOUSLY inserted "Other" Bill Mounce Greek interlinear is your friend.

I know Jano won't like this

cornelboy:
Is what you believe Paul would believe if he were here with us today?
I mean is what you believe the TRUTH?

Yes that's why Paul and early christians can pray to Jesus the way true believers are doing today.

NLT: "I am writing to God’s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." 1 Corin 1:2

Janosky:
All men and spirits , including Jesus are deities,1 Corinthians 8:4-5.
Matthew 6:9, we all have one God the Father we pray to.

Lol....so you are a deity too

But the 8 old lying deities in Warwick are Almighty than your own deity

mhmsadyq:
Ok.

You are not a Muslim.
You ask questions if you want to learn or know.
Drawing deliberate conclusions suggest you don't want to know.

There's no sense in what you put up there which makes his question valid.

How can Jinn obey the commandment meant for Angels, If Satan isn't an Angel?

Or why would Allah punish Satan a Jinn when he (Allah) ONLY gave Angels instruction? Isn't that injustice?

MaxInDHouse:
Ask them say what is the name of their own Church, this is about JW and LDS!

You can't deny you don't know the name of our church.

cornelboy:
Leave me o.

Yet you won't leave

RealTalker02:
Spirit of God is in animals too Genesis 7:22
And they have breath.

No the spirit of God isn't in animal.

Unless if you classify yourself as animal

The last part shows that you know spirit and breath are of two different things.

Does it mean a being is inside of them?

In the psalms:

All creatures look to you
to give them their food at the proper time.
28 When you give it to them,
they gather it up;
when you open your hand,
they are satisfied with good things.
29 When you hide your face,(C)
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath, [ Ruach ]
they die and return to the dust

If ruach is a being, animals possess it too.

You still haven't given us the full meaning of Rauch.

Psalm 104:29 is in your Bible, Ruach was translated breath. Deal with it.

Does it mean Ruach always MEANS BREATH?

Until you deal with that dishonesty in you, you can't get it

'His spirit goes out, that day his thoughts perish '

If his spirit continues to think , and is a person going to heaven, the thought won't have perish.

I know you lack simple comprehension but I'll help you. His thought perish mean the person doesn't have power over his thought as the only thing left is judgement.

1Pet 3:19 did not ever say Spirit went to hell. Nowhere in the Bible is spirit of man said to be a being that goes anywhere. That day his thoughts perish.

So who are the one in prison in that verse?

His thought perish because nothing done after that counts only judgment next.

Get that into your empty skull

RealTalker02:
Eccl 3:21
Who knows if the human spirit rises upwards and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

The writer asked a question, how does this change the Fact that animals possess The same spirit like man. The same Hebrew word Ruach, no distinction.

Verse 19

Surely the fate of human beings(A) is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath ; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.

Exactly the same. To claim man's own is a being , is to claim animals own is also a being

I know you'll never address my point.

No wonder you keep jumping from different verse to another.

The early verse you quoted proved that spirit and breath of life are used in the same verse which means they are different.

RealTalker02:
Not according to the Bible buddy.

No one knows the Father except the son.

Do you agree the son knows the Father than The spirit. ?

I have dealt with this long time ago.

And no one knows the son except the Father but you claim to know the son today, so are you the Father?

RealTalker02:
The same verse is a reference to animals, Genesis 7:22 - the question remain, Does it mean animals possess a being that goes to heaven in their nostrils since spirit and breath were used together for them ?

Olodo....

But other verses distinguished spirit from breath of life.

Your answer is in eccl 3:21

RealTalker02:
Person assertion.
Who is closer to God, his spirit or Jesus Christ ?

Both are one!

RealTalker02:
The text confirmed my point, Ruach is inside the nostrils, that's breath not a being.

Says the dumb one!

It's evident that breath is different from spirit

“If He should determine to do so,
If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath,
All flesh would perish together,
And man would return to dust."

Definitely, both the Spirit of God and breath are in human.

Ruach when translated to English means breath, animals possess ruach too, How does that sound to you ? Animals possess a being inside them?

To even say when Ruach translated to English means breath shows the dishonesty in you.

What return to God is breath.

What returned to GOD is Spirit

Delusion is when you think it means something else beyond breath.

Delusion is when you substitute it for breath when in true meaning it's spirit.

Let me use your analogy:

- it means a being

The being went to heaven, got judgement to hell and the being went to hell.

The being also went to heaven

there is no single scripture that ever said Spirit went to hell.[/uote]

Read 1 Peter 3:19

[quote]the idea of judgement after death is sham,

Well, to you it might be but not according to the scripture.

and an insult to God Almighty because it means final judgment is when God tried to correct his mistakes in the first judgement.

So you're God to have known this

Yet God himself through inspired writers wrote that there will be judgment for both the dead and the living.

Janosky:
Did this OP post about your false claims?

Where are the false claims posted by the OP?

Why has mods you're crying to not take any action against the OP

The Jankara market graduate desperately wants every LIE to be true.

At least we know the lying liar who is crying to the mods for his lying organization not be exposed

Emusan go to "Lancet" & cure your Delusion.

kpele.

I'm sure you've been there, if not you won't know there's a place to cure one

cornelboy:
Lol olodo ni é.

Thank you!

Just Genesis 2:7 is enough for your dummy brain to understand that Adam was just a physical lifeless body made of clay before Jehovah gave him life by breathing into him.

If not because you're so dumb, where was it stated in Genesis that Adam was created from CLAY

Was it Jehovah who breath into him or Jesus?

The breath is same as spirit.

Says the deluded one!

When it suit you people you'll remove "...of life"

Is it The breath or breath of life?

If the breath is the same as spirit how come both words were used in the same verse?

We all got our life from God's breath/spirit through Adam.

And God's spirit is a person

When Adam died, what happened?

His body returned to ground to decay while the spirit returned to GOD.

The spirit/breath left him and he became lifeless, decayed and returned to dust.

Ok

This is same for everyone that died, even Jesus

Who says otherwise?

but God raised him back to life. He didn't let Jesus's body decay before he did.
Acts 2:31

Waooooo so God actually raised Jesus' BODY back to life, this is interesting!

[31]He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left
(dead) in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Genesis 2:7 KJV
[7]And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

When Adam died, he became a dead soul.
That's why God said that every soul that sins will die.
Ezekiel 18:4 KJV
[4]Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Animals and human have the same life. I mean we got our life from the same source, the breath of God

Genesis 1:24
[24]And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature (NEPHESH) after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

The same Hebrew word NEPHESH was used to qualify both man and animals.

Genesis 2:7 KJV
[7]And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (NEPHESH).

The above is enough!

God raised Jesus body back to life

I guess your deluded brothers didn't see that part

cornelboy:
Lol. So the thief spirit was also in heaven with Jesus spirit that same day Abi?

You're too blind to see that in the scripture

So when Jesus was resurrected to life, his spirit was still in heaven with the Father?

Who said this?

Can spirit or breath of life live without a body?

If not the spirit can't go to heaven.

See when a person dies, he dies completely. That's it. No part of him lives elsewhere.

Your dumb mind says so not the scripture.

Keep believing in fantasy.

Just as you keep believing in delusions.

cornelboy:
You have the holy spirit Abi, sebi your born again na? Na you go lead the kingdom don't worry foolish and arrogant people.

It's evident you're so furious like your father the Devil because he knows he has no part in that kingdom

Holy spirit wey ona no get, ona go dè claim am.

You're the Holy spirit for you to know we don't have you

It's pure Satan deception sha.

You're not the first who will say so, your forefathers told Jesus the same

Na evil spirit fit de make person speak gibberish tongues not the holy spirit of the early church time.

You know what your father the Devil is capable of that's why you know what he can do

God will choose only from bornagains i.e poeple baptized by the holy spirit.

Which you're not among because the works of your father the Devil manifest in you

cornelboy:
Your the liar here dude. I don't really have your time.

Who for your time in the first place

The devil is practically your father cos he's the father of lies.

Everyone knows this is what JWs represented

When God said Adam would die if he ate of the fruit, he lied and said they won't die.
Religion today is telling the same lies of old of their mentor and father Satan the devil. They would say if you die, you didn't actually die but continue to exist after death. Una dumb o

Stop describing your father the Devil for us

cornelboy:
John 5:28
[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,

Dude does it matter if the person has died and decayed completely or he just died 2 days ago or died like 20 years ago or 2000 years ago?

See this ignoramus! That question should be directed to you not me.

Or have you forgotten your initial point that leads to that my post?

Anyway, I know you have short memory!

Can't God raise him even if every part of him had decayed long ago?

The question is what we God raise, since nothing survive at the death?

For God to raise people who died 2000 years ago means something is left in them for that to happen, if not what will happen is recreation not resurrection. Resurrection is to raise what DIED not WHAT IS NOT IN EXISTENCE.

Pls tell your have baked knowledge to someone else. Your just an empty barrel.

When it's obvious you're the one defending your dumb doctrine here

RealTalker02:
He set no appointed time for that. If it were literal, you won't have a problem answering in what body the persons appear!

I know it won't be literal since your dumb mind wants it to be.

The text confirmed that there's going to be a judgment.

Let me remind you , that the word spirit in Verse 14 is still Ruach, according to scriptures, Ruach of fleshly beings is in their Nostrils


" Everything on the dry land, all in whose NOSTRILS was the breath and spirit of life, died. " amplified Bible Genesis 7:22

When they keep jumping from different translations to another is then you'll know that they're very confused

It has been established that breath of life and spirit are different, if not using them together in a verse will be grammatical error.

The same Ruach appear at Ecclesiastes, found in mankind nostrils. Their breath.

Not breath of life again

When you finish keep deceiving yourself, lemme know.

The spirit that return to God is Ruach, found in the nostrils of men. Your argument is that it has other meaning, Which demand the question , In which body do this one's appear before God ?

Rauch is not English, translate to English and see how dumb you are.

I've answered that several times.

• Spiritual body is not available until Ressurection.
So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
NIV

This listed the quality of the Spiritual body

• imperishable

• Raised in Glory
• Raised in power

To claim all ressurected ones have this is to Claim All of them are raised in Glory, So your dumb theology means Even sinners and wicked people share In Christ Glory when they stand before God.

Nonsense as usual!

He has to add IN CHRIST glory

So much the liar

RealTalker02:
He set no appointed time for that. If it were literal, you won't have a problem answering in what body the persons appear!

It's evident you have comprehension issue!

Check other translations for better understanding of that verse, the point isn't that there won't be judgment but there will be judgment but the appointed time for that wasn't set, so far this supported my point that both the dead will appear before God on judgement day.

Let me remind you , that the word spirit in Verse 14 is still Ruach, according to scriptures, Ruach of fleshly beings is in their Nostrils

But in that verse the distinction was made.

So which means spirit is different from breath of Life.

"Everything on the dry land, all in whose NOSTRILS was the breath and spirit of life, died. " amplified Bible Genesis 7:22

Again, another time Spirit will be distinguished from Breath.

The same Ruach appear at Ecclesiastes, found in mankind nostrils. Their breath.

You keep exposing your ignorance!

How can you provided two separate verses where Spirit and breath were totally used together and you still believe they are the same?

The spirit that return to God is Ruach, found in the nostrils of men.

No! It's the spirit being of the person that died

Your argument is that it has other meaning, Which demand the question , In which body do this one's appear before God ?

Already answered! Stop repeating question.

•Spiritual body is not available until Ressurection.

The spirit appears before God.

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
NIV

This listed the quality of the Spiritual body

• imperishable

• Raised in Glory

To claim all ressurected ones have this is to Claim All of them are raised in Glory, So your dumb theology means Even sinners and wicked people share In Christ Glory when they stand before God.

You don't understand it, do you?

The unrighteous will be resurrected, true or false?

Yet you claimed spiritual body is only available at resurrection. So which body will the unrighteous have at resurrection?

You can't eat your cake and also have it.

MaxInDHouse:
Please Emusan i'm still trying to catch my breath with the Jokes and Memes you created on the other thread.

Another tactics to boycott

You've explained that all spirits both good and evil will go to heaven and face the judgment throne,

Go to that thread and address my point there, focus on this one or boycott as usual.

so allow me to assimilate that first before bringing another one.

Nothing bad in assimilating.

I should be the one asking you since you said all spirits will STAND BEFORE THRONE so you should explain which one is still DEAD among those spirits and those that are living!

It means both the people who have died will face judgment as well as those who are still alive.

The point is, if the dead will appear before the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST, and you hold the doctrine of nothing survive after death, so what will appear before the judgment SEAT OF CHRIST since Christ will judge both the DEAD and the living?

Can something that doesn't exist be judged?

RealTalker02:
You don't read ?

I read, do you?

“For He sets no appointed time for a man, That he should appear before Him in judgment. " - Job 34 : 23 Amplified Bible.

Do you read the bold ? He set no time for anyone to appear before him for judgement.

But the text says people will appear before Him for judgment, or you didn't understand that part?

Also, short before that verse, verse 14 says "If he fixes his attention* on them, If he gathers their spirit and breath to himself,+"

Here Spirit was distinguished from breath

The problem with your theology is it can't explain in what form this persons Exist without entering serious problems.

I think the problem here is you, because I've said earlier that it is the SPIRIT that went to heaven.

According to 1Corinthians 15, no one get the spiritual body until Ressurection. where did your theology get this body when Ressurection haven't occur ? I demand an answer

The spirit that returned to God after death.

Secondly, Spiritual body is for those who belong to Christ like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. So wicked people also belong to Christ , and are raised in Glory ?

No! They don't raise in glory but to demnation. So don't deviate from the main point.

The dead will APPEAR BEFORE GOD, according to those scriptures.

Also, 1 Corinthians 15 never said the spiritual body ONLY BELONG TO SOME PEOPLE but Aall resurrected people.

MaxInDHouse:
The long time church tradition is your problem!

Rather your preconceived doctrines are!

Jesus taught his listeners in parables {Matthew 13:13, 34}

The writer of New Testament specifically mentioned when Jesus spoke in Parables but it's your organization that decided to term any place that doesn't favor them Parable or symbolic

but you want to take it literal so you're totally confused.

So why didn't the writer say it's a Parable or symbolic?

In fact, many translations will list out Parables of Jesus at back of their translations. What are you insinuating?

Go back and read what the Apostles wrote in their letters and see if there is teachings of consciousness of the dead anywhere in their teachings.

Very well only you and your people that have been turning a blind eyes to it and give it different meanings like parable, symbolic, not literal

Here are the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles:

Jesus: Matthew 12:36-37 ESV
"I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

How can non existent dead people give account?

Peter: 1 Peter 4:5 ESV
"But they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead."

The DEAD will give account, how come?

Paul:

2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."

Romans 14:10-12 ESV
"Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God."

Hebrews 4:13 ESV
"And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account."

John:

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done."

They were the ones who listened to Jesus directly so there's no doubt they fully understood him than any of your teachers today. Go and check all their letters if there's any emphasis laid on the condition of the dead as if the dead are conscious in anyway!

You can keep twisting it but the truth of the scripture will always stand.

Even the Ecclesiastes says the same
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 ESV

"The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil."

Judgement day is coming when both the living and the dead will give account to God.

So how will the dead appear before God if they don't live after death?

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala jàre

Nobody sees it as wahala except you

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everybody is going to heaven, their bodies will be in their graves but their spirit will represent them before God's throne (in heaven) so that they will be judged.

That's what the scripture says

Thanks for your time!

You're welcome for your time.

MaxInDHouse:
I know you are battle prepared to continue arguing even though what you're saying makes no practical sense to you but since it's what your Pastors taught you you're ever ready to argue in support of it!

I'm always battle ready against the kingdom of your father the Devil

DappaD is right because God's word confirmed that judgment takes place in this planet when the preachers of the Good News comes to you and you make yourself available for the study of God's word.

After I've exposed your lies about it.

The symbolic STANDING BEFORE THRONE is when you have to sacrifice your time to find out what God requires of mankind.

Another meaning from Mr Practical Application

How many symbolic meaning will you give today

Your patience to humbly give away your precious time when others look at you and think you're wasting your time on what is not necessary is the reason why those angels penning down people's names will WRITE YOUR NAME! Malachi 3:16

At least your name is in heaven and not symbolic

So it's like you're standing before an invisible judge when others who had no regards for the Bible will be mocking you, because they can't decipher why you have to sit down like a child humbly listening to what a book says.

The most ridiculous about this is that, those verses are talking about INDIVIDUAL giving account and getting their rewards not those who are Jesus followers but you couldn't see that.

That's what it means to stand before the throne my friend, not that you will be taken to a place where you will see the two thieves that died beside Jesus and the people in Noah's day or inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah!

You can keep say that to yourself in other to be deceiving yourself.

The scripture is cleared on that EVERYONE WILL STAND BEFORE God to ACCOUNT for their deeds, in fact apostle Paul put it better by saying "For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.*