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DappaD:
1. Yes it was fraudulently included. Usual Catholic Church propaganda — King James also added the interpolation in his Bible.

By who? At least the fraudulent inclusion should be traced to someone or group or year

2. What wasn't there in the first place can't be omitted.

You mean it wasn't in the any known manuscripts or what?

Maximus69:
It's the Council of Nicaea under the chairmanship of Emperor Constantine!
That's when so many pagan philosophies were added to believe of the church!

Now we're going somewhere!

Which means the text didn't appear in any written or book before the council of Nicea took place, right?

DappaD:
I won't spoonfeed you lol.
You're going to have to learn how to do research

I've done my research and I've never seen or read anywhere about WHO ADDED IT!

Now, if you know the person who added it, kindly provide the name with the link here

DappaD:
I think just typing those words ‘Comma Johannine’ on Google would bring up several websites you can check on.

Since you have done that and got your answer, now answer my question in a simpler form!

Who added it? Very simple

Maximus69:
YES it was!

The question is, who added it?

DappaD:
A spurious addition to the Holy Scriptures just so Trinitarians can carry on in their folly.
Verse 6 acts as a precedent of what to expect at the later verses.

Who added it?

1 John 5:7 in the KJV contains these words called the Johannine Comma (also known as the Comma Johanneum or the Heavenly Witnesses). 

Why this verse was not found in some translations today:

Was it fraudulent inserted?

OR

Was omitted from Ancient Greek?

Janosky:
Bros, go & find out for yourself.
Stop waiting for awoof

So we're brother now! Anyways, that's for another day.

In all my research, no evidence tends towards how it was inserted rather, why it was omitted.

If you have any strong support for how it was inserted or who inserted it. Bring it out!

SonyaSpence:
I honestly don't like replying to topics like these but your presentation shows you've gone a step ahead, to compare and you've noted the differences.

I'll urge you to make further research on that bible verse by checking bible translations made before the fifteenth century when that scrupulous text was introduced into that verse to support the " trinity doctrine".

This is a keyword that can help your research.
"Comma Johanneum"

Search that keyword and you'll find the truth.

Who introduced the text unto that verse?

rottennaija:
You mean questions that chokes you?

You really got him there!

You can see how he used style boycotted my post with lie of I don't want to argue with you because my two questions really held him down.

But see the person who claimed he doesn't want to argue dragging the thread to 4 pages now!

achorladey:
Awake November 22 1984.......What makes a religion right is its total adherence to God’s Word. Whether our religion meets this criterion or not can only be determined by open-mindedly comparing it with the Bible.

That's what they always claim but scrutinizing their belief with Bible one can see how those beliefs fall short of Biblical standards.

Imagine him saying, John 6 where Christ was talking about eating His flesh and drinking His blood has nothing to do with The Lord's Supper, simply because from Christ own statement it's evident that anyone who doesn't eat it will not have eternal life and won't be resurrected on the last day.

DappaD:
Okay!

It's obvious that JWs don't adhere to Bible standards strictly.

DappaD:
I said I wasn't going to continue in arguments and I meant it. This is my last reply to you.

That was the reason I told you to pull down the thread from beginning.

You said from the Opening Page that, "...as such they hate Jehovah's Witnesses for adhering to Bible standards strictly."

If Jws adheres to Bible standards strictly, why are you doing what isn't in the Bible?

Abraham didn't claim to be God's friend. Jehovah God himself called Abraham his friend — Isaiah 41:8

Thank God you admit Abraham didn't CLAIM to be God's friend, as God Himself is the one who called him His friend but what you're doing today is CLAIMING TO BE GOD'S FRIEND when God Himself has CALLED US HIS CHILDREN.

As for who partakes in the Lord's Evening meal, again, the Bible, it's message and context is to be understood.
Jehovah for his part, had a covenant with ancient Israel (Exodus 19:5,6) and he made them into a nation of priests as at then.
Jesus in the same way made a covenant with his disciples and other anointed Christians for them to rule as kings and priests in God's Kingdom over the whole earth. (Luke 22:29, 1Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:6, 5:9,10, 20:6) .
These anointed Christians have the seal of God on their foreheads and they make up a spiritual Israel which number a total of 144,000(Revelation 7:4-8 ) . They are the only ones who will go to heaven to rule as kings and priests over the earth (Revelation 20:6). Jesus himself called the ones to rule in God's Kingdom ‘little flock’ so it is only rightly so that they number an actual 144,000(Luke 12:32, 22:28-30, Hebrews 12:28, Revelation 1:6, 5:9,10, 7:4-8, 14:1-3)

Let me repeat what your own organization says again so that you can see that The Lord's Supper is connected to that John 6:53-57

This is what your own organization says "The unleavened bread and red wine served at the Memorial are emblems, or symbols, of Christ’s flesh and blood. They are not miraculously changed into or mixed with his literal flesh and blood, as some feel."

This was the same flesh and blood Christ talked about in John 6

You already know you don't have eternal life and you won't be resurrected on the last day since you don't eat and drink Christ's body and blood.

Next time instead of repeating my moniker and my post after quoting my entire post, simply enclosed each of my post with [.quote] ..... [/.quote]

NOTE: Don't put that dot(.) in the first & last quote

DappaD:
Can't someone be a friend to his father?
Jehovah is our Father because he created us (Isaiah 64:8 )

OK

We are also friends of Father Jehovah because we genuinely love him and obey his commandments. (1John 5:3)

The verse you quoted doesn't correlate with your statement.

Take Abraham for example, he was called a friend of his Father Jehovah because he listened and obeyed Jehovah — Genesis 15:6, 22:18, Isaiah 41:8, James 2:23.

The key phrase is what I underlined...

Abraham was CALLED not that Abraham claimed to be friend of God.

What Christians are to be CALLED is Child of God John 1:12

By the way, those your anointed persons who are children of God means they are not obeying and listening to Jehovah, that's why they are only children of God and not friends of Jehovah.

Context must be taken into consideration.
At John 6:53-55, Jesus wasn't talking about them eating his flesh and drinking his blood literally. He wasn't even talking about the Lord's evening meal. He was simply explaining that for anyone to have everlasting life, that person must exercise faith in the sacrifice that he made when he offered up his perfect human body(which represents the flesh) and poured out his lifeblood(which represents the blood).

The @underlined is enough to show everyone that you really lack scriptural understanding.

This is what your own organization says "The unleavened bread and red wine served at the Memorial are emblems, or symbols, of Christ’s flesh and blood. They are not miraculously changed into or mixed with his literal flesh and blood, as some feel."

So if Christ had said ""53... “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Definitely, you have no life in you and Christ won't resurrect you on the last day.

Enough with this spiteful attitude of yours and just ask your questions.

Enough of your ignorance by claiming you don't want to argue when you're started doing that.

DappaD:
Jehovah's Witnesses strive to please and honour their heavenly Father Jehovah

If truly Jehovah is your Heavenly Father, why are you not His child rather than calling yourself friend of Jehovah?

and to imitate Jesus' way of life.

Jesus said in John 6:53-55 "53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. NIV

NOTICE the @underlined, now that you don't eat Jesus flesh and drink Jesus blood it means you don't have eternal life and Jesus won't raise you up in the last day.

How can you justify this?

***** DISCLAIMER: I didn't come here for arguments. I'll ignore anyone trying to put up an argument. *****

You've already started the argument.

Instead of ignoring people, it's better you pull down the thread first.

desiredhome:
God is Love, you must Love God by knowing God and keeping His Commandments.......

By doing Good (righteousness)

Then you're God to have known those 60% do not love You and are not righteous.

desiredhome:
I have told you before..... Christianity is LOVE (the greatest commandment),......which is far away from your churches of today especially the Penticostal.....

Christianity is LOVE, how many do you love yourself?

And you're God to have known that!

desiredhome:
Do not tackle issues with sentiments/emotions...
We talk base on facts before us, don't pretend to not understand the comment unless you just want to be Petty......

Who is more emotional here?

You talk with fact but you haven't gave us where you got your 60% from, is that your fact?

Is that how Christ taught you?

Hypocrite everywhere....

As if you have the same LOVE OF CHRIST in you 100%

desiredhome:
By their fruits you shall know them....

So you mean you actually relate with the 60% of the crowd to have known the fruit all of them have..

the main aim of Christ teaching/Christianity is LOVE... where is the LOVE among you brethren of today?

How many people did you yourself love?

So you always see them fighting each other whenever they gather or how do you know there's no love among them?

What we have today is completely opposite the teaching of Christ.....

Then you're God to have known that!

And it's only you who is doing exactly what Christ wants bah

desiredhome:
Yes I know God... because I do and keep to His principles/commandments

So when did you become God to have known that 60% of congregations don't do and keep to His principles/commandments?

desiredhome:
Still cannot understand, how we have replaced True SOUl winning with winning MEMBERS........

They believe when they have crowd they are winning souls even when over 60% of that crowd don't know God.......

Do you know God yourself?

Major001:
THE ORIGIN OF JESUS CHRIST

While it is true that He is the Son of God, it is however not true that He was created by God. Not being created by God makes Him equal to God. I’d explain this better as I write. But, first, let me answer the burning question: how – and from where – did Christ originate? I firmly believe that Scripture is undoubtedly clear on this.

The Scriptures, in JOHN 16:27, says, “For the Father Himself loveth you because ye have loved me, and believed that I CAME OUT FROM GOD.” That is it. He CAME OUT FROM GOD. This is a very deep spiritual mystery.

Jesus Christ CAME directly OUT of God. This revelation points to the fact that He, unlike the angels and other Host of Heaven, was not created by God.

Christ is indeed the Word – the Spoken Word – of God. He came alive and became a Living Soul. He was (and is) God – JOHN 1:1

Regardless of the actual origin of Jesus Christ, the real question is: Have you made Him your Saviour and Lord? If you haven’t…right now is another opportunity for you to do so.

Claiming to know Christ origin is to claim you're YAHWEH.

The knowledge we have about God is the same knowledge we can have about Christ.

The scripture affirms that Jesus is God, the Son of God, a Prophet, Son of man, Saviour and many more. That's what He wants us to know about Himself.

So anybody can decide what to call Him but the end of it all is that "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" John 20:31 KJV

achorladey:
Maximus69 @ 11:40am.....

The true Christians don't go on protests, because we only live where we're able to preach and teach what we know peacefully. So if any society isn't safe for us to carry on what matters most to us, we flee (run away) from such a place.

The association you're calling upon aren't Christians but political religionsists dealing with politicians!

Read your Bible and see if Christians do protests or flee in the face of persecution!

Maximus69 @ 12:13 pm

Enjoy what?
Do you know you're discussing with a Christian?
Perhaps you don't understand what Christ means, it simply means the one and only person who knows how you can get real benefits in life (enjoy)
So what exactly do you think?
Is there any enjoyment in what Jesus (my Lord) asked me to run away from?


Maximus69 @ 1:57 pm

Something like that Sir, i just like doing things in accordance with his orders, but as you've rightly said, you know better about Christianity than i do!


Achorladey: That's what JUDGEMENTAL MENTALITY do to someone thinking everything REVOLVES around YOUR BRAND of IDEOLOGY and THEOLOGY.

The same mouth was chest beating about what TRUE CHRISTIAN means and what carrying TORTURE stake meant in three hours time it became something like that, you know better. Smh

That's why you will see the reason I always called them hypocrite!

I do go from Zaria or Abuja to Jos and there's no how you'll get to Jos from any of the two that you won't pass through Southern Kaduna.

Yet if you go to Southern Kaduna you'll still see the sign post of Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's witness.

Then you can ask, what is their Hall still doing in such place if they actually abide with the same commandment of Jesus Christ "To flee"?

I've raised this issue with him sometimes ago, that's why you will see him telling people that "I stay in the Northern part of the country and ready to fight for Jesus" even though I never said we Christians in the Northern Nigeria fight for Christ nor any report ever says Northern Christians retaliate to fight for Christ but stay back encourage the native people and support them.

But Jehovah witness will abandon them to their fate and run, when peace return to that place they will come back and started claiming what the True Christians did by standing with them are all false that they're the only one with the Truth. Whereas these are the cowards who ran away in the first place.

The truth is, they always ready to condemn others denominations for what they are doing just to continue cling to that self acclaimed of WE'RE THE ONLY TRUE WORSHIPERS OF JEHOVAH.

DappaD:
You're actually making a big deal out of nothing.

That should be your trademark since you lack simple comprehension.

Emusan Emusan Emusan
Shey I called you three times. Did the sky fall?]/quote]

Where did I say if you call me, the sky will fall?

You can see how you keep exposing your ignorance.

I simply told you stop spamming my mention which is just unreasonable thing to do since you can just quote my post and make your point without repeatedly write my moniker that shows you're just a nuisance cyberspace.

[quote]Emusan I beg you answer my questions and stop showcasing your ignorance on this thread!

Your lack of simple comprehension and intelligent have been exposed here, which leads to this long talk when you were simply asked to choose one option but as a robot that your organization has made you to become, you started typing jargons when no one asked you that.

So simply choose your option and stop showcasing your deluded mind.

cornelboy:
No, I was asking cos of her believe about soul

So it's only righteous people SPIRITS that go to God according to Ecclesiastes 12:7, right?

Or what is your position?

DappaD:
Oga Emusan all these your childish ranting is unwarranted.

It's a child who keeps shouting his/her elder's name now and there....

Like I said, stop spamming my mention! You don't need to repeat my moniker everytime before you pass your message across.

So you call what you asked me ‘jargons’ Very good
But you did ask me some questions, see them below.

And intelligent person should simply understand my point up there!

You asked me a total of 5 BOLD QUESTIONS of which I gave answers to ALL.

Since you lack simple comprehension and not that intelligent!

I only want to know where you GOT your ACTUAL TRUTH from first by listing FIVE OPTIONS you can choose from since you claim you have the ACTUAL TRUTH.

Now I asked you to explain something instead you're telling me trash. Remember you were the one who mentioned me first on this thread. So please don't mention me again unless you're unfortunate.

Your frustration and anger have never started, you'll soon cry!

cornelboy:
you have no point here. I mean does a wicked man's soul goes to God

Didn't you proof that wicked man's spirit/breath of life goes to God by supporting Eccl 12:7?

But this is the fact!

According to Ecclesiastes 12:7 man's spirit goes to God whether righteous or wicked but it's God who'll determine where sure spirit will spend the eternity.

Jesus and His apostles confirmed that God will send the wicked to eternal fire while the righteous to everlasting life.

For the last time, stop spamming my mention, you don't need to repeat my moniker many times before you pass your message across by doing so, it shows you're looking for a way to chicken out.

DappaD:
Emusan you are looking for my trouble o

So you have trouble in the first place

Emusan : From your own understanding?

DappaD : Only an unwise person would rely on his own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5, 28:26)
Understanding and interpretation of scriptures come from Jehovah alone. (Genesis 40:8, 2Peter 1:20,21)

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Emusan : From comparing scripture with scripture?

DappaD : Ah yes, the ol' reliable. That's how to get the true meaning/understanding of the scriptures coupled with God's holy spirit.

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Emusan : Through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost ?

DappaD : True Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) do not believe in a mythical “Holy Ghost” as being part of a mythical godhead, sorry doghead . Rather, we believe God's holy spirit to be the impersonal active force which God uses to accomplish his will — such as creating the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:3, Psalm 33:6) and inspiring faithful men of old to write the Bible. (2Peter 1:20,21)

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Emusan : From Scholarly understanding of both Hebrew and Greek Text?

DappaD : Jehovah's Witnesses always engage in an in-depth study of God's word. So that the scriptures can help interprete the meaning of other scriptures.

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Emusan : From what your own organization only says?

DappaD : The “faithful and discreet slave” who make up the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are our fellow brothers who have been assigned by Jesus to provide spiritual food to his domestics(that is, we Jehovah's Witnesses) (Matthew 24:45)
So we are going to take in that spiritual food because Jesus who is the head of the organization has assigned them to do so. (1Corinthians 11:3)
In order that there may be unity and oneness of mind in the only organization of true Christians. (1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2)

Nobody asked you all these jargons

Just tell us from what I listed above how you GOT your ACTUAL TRUTH first.

Very simple thing to do but as usual always behaving like a robot, you must spew thrashes to deviate from the main point.

DappaD:
Emusan spare me all your hogwash and answer this these questions.

Firstly, stop spamming my mention! You can express yourself in one post instead of quoting me repeatedly.

Secondly, you called it hogwash but I need to know where you GOT YOUR ACTUAL TRUTH FROM.

Lastly, your questions will be addressed if you just state your position first.

DappaD:
Young man, are you going to answer my questions or not? Why are you shifting goalposts ?

Old man, I think my questions are still within the frame of your question.

DappaD:
True worshipers of God(Jehovah's Witnesses) treat the Bible as one whole composite book that gives one message which is inspired of God(2Timothy 3:16)
The Bible does not contradict itself in anyway. What you and all your Christendom folks lack is in-depth study of God's word and the context of matters. So while you rely on what your “Holy Ghost” has told you, True Christians will study God's word and take what the Bible says is the truth!

Was this the question you said you people have been asking since?

because I don't see the correlation of this with my post!

DappaD:
This is what I want to hear from you.

Kindly EXPLAIN in full detail what your “Holy Ghost” has explained Matthew 10:28 and 1Thessalonians 5:23 to mean. And then I'll explain to you the actual truth!
C'mon let's see what you got

Let's start by you telling us who REVEALED/TAUGHT/GOTTEN your ACTUAL TRUTH from.

-From your own understanding?
-From comparing scripture with scripture?
-Through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost?
-From Scholarly understanding of both Hebrew and Greek Text?
-From what your own organization only says?