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Barristter07:
The bible has only one source . all the men that penned it were medium through which this was done.

" Forty Writers, One Author "

They are just secretaries .

Note I didn't say God isn't the Source of Bible but eliminating the Human Author is the height of stupidity.

Likewise There is only one source of creation, The Father from whom all things came , Christ is just a medium through as well.

Your brain dead analysis exposed

Which brought us back to our initial point, that means Jesus Christ came through Himself since ALL THINGS CAME THROUGH JESUS....

You can't eat your cake and also have it!

Liar as usual , Quote where they said Angels were not created before planet earth. ?

You even went to quote the creative days when we are discussing making of the Planet earth itself.

After I exposed your lies and ignorance, you can still come out without shame!

Didn't you see it from your own confused organization that EARTH was first created AS A LIFELESS PLANET?

Which is my point, God creating the Universe INCLINING LIFELESS Planet Earth means Gen 1:1 was already in place before the lifeless planet Earth was PREPARED FOR HABITATION.....

Who told you Job 38 was for the six creative days ?

If you can't see this in your own confused organization article is left from you....

What God first created is a LIFELESS PLANET EARTH which after SIX DAYS CREATIVE began....

If you look at Job 38 you'll see it fits in into the description of the SIX DAYS CREATIVE not A LIFELESS PLANET.

Verse 7 and 8 says the angels were there when the oceans were created . This refer to the making of planet earth itself . Job 38 is reffering to the period highlighted above .

" Angels were created in the distant past, before the earth existed. When God created the earth, the angels “began shouting in applause.”​—Job 38:​4-7. "

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-are-angels/

Liar....stop lying...
vs8 says "Who kept the sea inside its boundaries"

Here you said OCEANS plural.....

Like I said, Job 38 fits in into the six creative days God prepared the earth for habitation that's why even creation of heavens wasn't mentioned.

That's why I said your organization is confused

First, I've posted an article here, where your confused organization first said, Jehovah created Jesus then creation of heavens and the earth which INCLUDE THE ANGELS

You haven't counter your claim that CREATED BEING can EXIST in ETERNITY, which is the point that brought out whether Angels were created before earth.

Can a created being exist in ETERNITY?

Emusan, you are from your Father the Devil. The same Devil even make you ascribe authorship of the Bible to humans

Lying liar Barrister07 you know that is your attribute as well as other JWs because Devil is your founder.

Barristter07:
So they owned what they penned ?
To claim authorship of something u must be the brain behind it.

Satan is really playing with your mind.

Do you call them authors?

Lying liar....

Idiot....what is the meaning of Author?

Job 38 refer to PLANET Earth . emphasis on " Founded the earth " " Set it's measurement " " sunk its pedestals " " its cornerstone "

And when we talk about Earth , Earth is 70% water . so there is no way we will discuss how God formed the earth that the sea won't come into discussion. Job 38:8 noted that after the water were formed, God set a limit for it.


" When the ocean was born, I set its boundaries " Job 38:8

So its not just dry land., but formation of the planet itself.

Clearly the angels witness The whole thing which shows they exist before the planet.

Let me put end to this lies....as everyone can see that a liar truly has no shame!

Now your tune has changed from from FOUNDATION means creating the earth to there's no how discussing how earth is formed without discussing how the sea comes about.

I first told you that earth was long created before preparation for habitation took place but you keep perambulating and dying in your delusions.

Here it is:

First look at this quote from your demonic organization "1. In the Bible account, each of the six creative days could have lasted for thousands of years.

2. God had already created the universe, including a lifeless planet Earth, by the time the first creative day began.

3. Evidently the six creative days were long periods during which Jehovah God prepared the earth for human habitation.

From the untold story of creation....

Let's centered on point 2&3;
Firstly, this short article shows how a liar like can go to any length to keep lying.

Secondly, point 2 clearly stated that UNIVERSE and A LIFELESS PLANET EARTH were ALREADY CREATED by the time the SIX CREATIVE DAYS BEGAN

Thirdly, from the point2 above it shows you don't know your Bible to the extent that you're even going against the teaching of your confused organization.

Fourthly, point3 supported my initial statement of how God prepared earth to be habitable which is what Job 38 is describing.

Now, it's evident from your confused organization that the event of Gen 1:1 wasn't part of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS which means Gen 1:1 actually took place as the Bible said "In the BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

And going by the above article, since thousands of years would have passed, then Angels would've been created after Heavens and the earth were created in the beginning before they shouted for joy when God was preparing it.

This is plausible because created being needs a space to occupy that's why God first created heavens and the earth, which debunked your initial claimed that both Jesus and the angels joined God in ETERNITY after being created which is the most ridiculous statement ever.

IN SUMMARY!
1. Job 38 couldn't fit into the description of Gen 1:1 because even your own organization said what God first created is a LIFELESS PLANET EARTH

2. Job 38 failed to talk about creation of heavens along earth something that Prov 8 did.

3. From above evidences, Gen 1:1 was actually correct what was first created IN the BEGINNING were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

4. So, since it was heavens and the earth that was first created IN THE BEGINNING then it means you got the interpretation of Rev 3:14 wrong. Both Jesus and heavens and the earth can't be created IN THE BEGINNING!

5. Lastly, you lied that it was foundation that means earth was created, when if we follow what your organization explained above, one can see that THE SIX CREATIVE DAYS were ONLY MEANT FOR THE PREPARATION of habitable earth. Which means, Gen 1:1 is a done deal and forgotten issue!

In attached are the evidences of your lies....

Barristter07:
Show me where the scripture says Bible has human origin ? Liar , Na your Father u dey copy . devil.

Imagine he wants to dash me his father, you know your father has nothing in me as he has nothing in Christ.

Who is the Author of the Books in the Bible?

Do you know what author means?

26 made it clear Earth was not yet formed

28 says the waters were founded first

29 he separated the dry land from the sea by setting a decree for the sea .

Job 38:4-8 made it clear that when he does all this things the Angels were there

Can you see your life outside?
Listening will always be a liar no matter what....
When I said from onset that it was how God prepared earth to be habitable your emphasize was on LAYING FOUNDATION, you even asked "do I know what it means to lay the foundation of the earth?"

Just as you people change the word FIRSTBORN to mean FIRSTCREATED just to suit your demonic doctrines. You also did the same to mean laying foundation of the earth means creation of the earth.

Now, you finally dance to the tune of how earth was prepared

If the waters was founded first it means, something happened before the foundation was laid....which is the bone of contention here.... LAYING FOUNDATIONS

This is from your own word "Are you blind ? Earth wasn't made until foundations were marked in verse 29 which is what Job mentioned"

Now which earth are you referring to here, the one created in General 1:1 or the dry land called earth as you mentioned below?

Then you need to ask again : when it says in the beginning God created heavens and earth , was it referring to Dry land or the sea ?

Genesis 1:10 God called the dry land " Earth "

I've told you how Job 38 is all about preparation of earth created IN THE BEGINNING to be habitable because it's just focus on earth not about creation that's why I even went deep in contraction of Prov 8 with Job to show you how both explain different scenarios just that you're too brainwashed and blindfolded to reality.

So I'll ask again, which earth are you referring to in Job 38, the one created at the BEGINNING or the dry land prepared called EARTH?

Janosky:
David was firstborn by Yahweh's APPOINTMENT.


Read again this post :

Psalms 89:27
"And I will appoint him to be my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth."

King David is not the firstborn son of his parents, he has no claim to kingship, but David was APPOINTED as firstborn by Yahweh..
(1Samuel16:13. 1 Samuel 13:14.)
Your own Bible says Jesus Christ is"the firstborn of EVERY creature.
Jesus is firstborn by right of firstborn"

If not because your brain is paining you, you realized that being the firstborn doesn't really mean the first person given birth to, yet you want Jesus Christ "firstborn" to automatically be FIRSTCREATED....what a delusion!

The question you people don't like to even answer is:

There is a word in Greek for FIRSTCREATED, why didn't apostle Paul use this word instead of confusing us with the word FIRSTBORN?

From all indications, you people know that the word FIRSTBORN has no link with FIRSTCREATED that's why you people have being coming with different theories.

Barristter07:
Jesus was called firstborn in association with Creation. How was he born ?

Idiot....
Asking me how he was born!

What is the meaning of FIRSTBORN?

Barristter07:
No human source .

There is!

No proof yet that he said he alone was there . that I said I witness something does not mean others dont as well. Where did he said ONLY ONE.

Reading through that passage with right sense will show you that.

26 says " WHEN HE HAD NOT YET MADE THE EARTH "

Are you blind ? Earth wasn't made until foundations were marked in verse 29 which is what Job mentioned .

Ole....
Earth was not made until foundations (plural) we're marked so where does the sea waters that overflow it's boundary come from?

I tell you, you must keep lying to defend lies.

When it was boldly written in the beginning of verse 29 "when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command,"

I asked again, if laying the foundation of the earth means creation of the earth, how many earth did God create in Prov 8? because it's FOUNDATIONS (plural).

It's even evident that you're just a lying liar...

Barristter07:
Single one ... Jesus . the one he created directly. Gods only begotten son. , does that ring a bell ? Why is Jesus called SON OF GOD ?

David isn't firstborn in that sense ... He was called firstborn for His kingship status

Ole.....
The point here is since David is called FIRSTBORN and meaning of FIRSTBORN to you is first created being that means David was FIRST CREATED before Jesus which can't make Jesus the FIRSTCREATED being.

But if you try to shift the meaning of David being firstborn away from FIRSTCREATED then it means you're just a deluded person who didn't know he's right from left and try to force the meaning of firstborn to mean FIRSTCREATED only to Jesus

Barristter07:
chief; principal; of highest rank
archangel
archbishop
archduke
2. eminent above all others of the same kind; extreme
archenemy
archfiend
archfool


There you have it . like I said, u can't escape it.

ORIGIN of God's creation

The bible has no human source . God is its only source . men are agents

God is the source of Bible channel through human ORIGIN...

Angels watch as God laid the foundation's for earth ...which came first ?


Either

A. Angels are uncreated

B. Heaven and earth are not Beginning of creation . one must be true.

I just exposed your ignorance in my above reply

Barristter07:
Listen and listen well, Through doesn't mean source . sarcastically if it were men would be the source of the bible because it was written though them.

Through is never origin or source.

You can rest on that aspect

So Bible doesn't have human source, right?

Mr, show me where he said he was the only one that was there when God made the earth ?

Reading through Prov 8 one can see that the speaker was alone with God, if not the speaker won't use "I"

Also, Prov 8 shows that it was God Himself that was performing the act of creation not anybody according to the speaker.

Lastly, the difference between the narration of the speaker in Prov 8 and that of Job 38 to show you that the speaker is absolutely out of creation was that the speaker of Prov 8 talks about CREATION OF HEAVEN and THE EARTH while

The last part that exposes your ignorance is this part "when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth." Vs 29

Now if you read it from that same verse 22 you'll see earth was already in existence, yet the foundations (plural) was still marked out.

Here it is, How many earth did God create if we should go by your laying foundation of earth in Job with Prov 8 to mean creation of earth?

I said you don't know the gravity of shit that will hit you with what you put your hand into.

Barristter07:
And Collins dictionary state examples

Arch enemy, arch angels.


QUESTION: Does been an arch enemy exclude someone from among enemies ??

In what sense did the Collins talk about Arch enemy or arch angels, there must be something the writer means by that....that's why I said drop your source here

Through is not source , deluded man. That the bible was penned THROUGH MEN means men are the source ? Where is your sense tonight ? Where ?

Does it exclude the HUMAN SOURCE of the Bible Or Bible doesn't have human source?

Deluded JWs

God exposed your little brain when he reveal angels existed before planet earth

A. Heaven and earth are not beginning of creation

B. Angels are uncreated

One must be true.

Gen 1 exposed your lies and lack of scriptural knowledge

"In the BEGINNING God CREATED heavens and the earth" yet you're still claiming heavens AND earth are NOT THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, calling God a liar!

I'm still waiting for you to show us why CREATION OF HEAVENS was excluded in Job 38 if truly that chapter is talking about creation.

No wonder all JWs are all deluded together, look at how the organization was also confused in the attached pix.

Imagine, Jehovah use Jesus to create all other things in THE HEAVENS and in THE EARTH which includes the Angels yet the next paragraph still says Angels were created before the Earth.

Why only earth? Isn't Heavens and the earth were created in the BEGINNING?

Barristter07:
Through is not source if it were men would be the source of the bible.

Ole....
So if it's men it'll be source but Jesus it won't....

Well people can see how dubious you are!

Did he said he was the only one there when God formed the earth ? Show me where ?

But it was ONLY THE SPEAKER who was FORMED FIRST in the beginning in that verse...and the speaker went to narrate how God Himself performed the act of creation by Himself why the speaker is just there as a master worker...

So other angels will be there and Jesus won't talk about them...

Barristter07:
There is only one origin, The Father from whom all things came .

You can rest on that . sorry

And Jesus Christ THROUGH ALL THINGS CAME

But angels were there before earth was made evidence by them seeing as its foundations were laid ? Do u know the meaning of foundation ?

Either Heaven and earth are not the beginning of creation or angels are uncreated .

And I said Jesus lied in Prov 8 when he was the only one beside God.....since you claimed Jesus was the one speaking there....q

Barristter07:
It is not , the writer of the article I quoted used that example to explain his point . its either you are dubious or you agree with his point.

Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

Strong Greek says ORIGIN besides you quoted article when your first source was from COLLINS DICTIONARY....which is what I demanded from you!

See how your father the devil exposed you...

Provide the link to your source!

There is only one origin , the Father . 1 Cor 8:6 from whom all things are

and Jesus Christ THROUGH WHOM ARE ALL things.

Angels watch as earth's foundation were laid , who came first ? You are deluded

And Jesus lied that He was only one beside God in Prov 8

The astonished part is that you don't even have shame to realize the gravity of your delusions.

Heaven and earth are not the beginning of creation

Gen 1 says "In the BEGINNING God CREATED heavens and the earth "

Who is lying here, God or you?

Barristter07:
Answer that question first , Does the fact that someone is an arch enemy remove them from among enemies ?

Hypocrite.

See a chronic hypocrite calling some else an hypocrite!

The verse is clear enough, Jesus is the Origin of God's creation.

The origin meaning contradict the scripture

Only contradicts NWT not scripture.

You that understand, state the point: Does the fact someone is an arch enemy exclude them from being an enemy ?

The point is Jesus is the ORIGIN or SOURCE of Gods creations not that he was created, eternal being can't be created.

I though earth was in the beginning ? So heaven and earth clearly were NOT the beginning of creation

"In the beginning God created heavens and the earth"

Liar like you can give it other meaning.

I can see you didn't talk about your previous Prov 8 again.

Not the same beginning, didnt angels exist before the earth ?

There can't be TWO BEGINNING liar....

It's evident what God created first in the beginning.

Even Gen 1 stated it plainly "In the BEGINNING God CREATED heavens and the earth"

Clearly heaven and earth are nor the beginning of creation.

Let Gen 1 keep hitting your heart only a liar can say that...

But the truth from the scripture is.... "In the BEGINNING God CREATED heavens and the earth"

Barristter07:
Answer this first : Arch enemy is part of the enemies ?

Your question is baseless in the first place.

Scripture reveal he wasn't the origin of creation.

Scripture says He is the origin of creation!

Angels exist before the foundation of earth were set, Yes ?

"In the beginning God created heavens and the earth"

That rightful place , do angels belong there too cos they existed before Genesis 1:1. If they existed before Genesis 1:1 it means earth and heaven are not the beginning of creation. The verse never even state so.

The verse says "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"

Why do you desire to lie like your father the devil?

How can you read a plain statement like this and you can still say "it means earth and heaven are not the beginning of creation. The verse never even state so."

Since your father is a liar from the beginning I don't expect less from you.

Barristter07:
Arch creation is a creation .

Arch enemy is an enemy

Then you don't understand the verse

Strong Greek it also mean Beginning.

Origin ... Don't even go there , we both know he isn't the origin or source.

But the word means ORIGIN, so who are you to determine the meaning?

All this is just to prove that you don't understand that particular verse.

Genesis 2:4 they were made same day .

If angels exist before earth, they do before heaven too.

Why was earth only mentioned in Job 38 if your flaunt is true....

Olodo

Use your brain Genesis 1:1 and 2:4 place them at the same.time. so far the angels precede one, they precede both.

Liar....
Gen 1 is the opening of creation and what God first created IN the beginning were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

So both Rev 3:14 and Gen 1 can't be talking about the same beginning, that's contradiction.

Barristter07:
Is an arch enemy part of the enemies?

The dictionary made it clear that chief or highest rank does not change the Fact that even the chief is part of the group.

So that question needs urgent answer

And for the eternal whatever , does he existed as God the son ?

Which group?

The strong Greek you first use to support your John 1:3 also said ORIGIN and some translations use ORIGIN....

Emphasis on " Foundation " ? Retract that lie

its foundation was been set and the angels watch , The angels clearly existed before the Earth.

Exposing your fallacy of Genesis 1:1 .. Are the angels eternal beings too ?

That's how you will know you lack understand, even Prov 8 you've been trying to use reported ONLY ONE PERSON TALKING being beside God.

So why is God trying to deceive us with all these contradictions if we should go by you?

Firstly, Gen 1 made it clear that "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVENS AND EARTH" which you even lied that it wasn't "NOT BEGINNING"

Secondly, according to you Jesus was the one talking in Prov 8 and only said He was Master Worker beside God...if Jesus and angels were beside God it means It wasn't only Jesus that was created IN THE BEGINNING....

lastly, all these contradictions just from one person all because you're denying Jesus His rightful place in the scripture.

Barristter07:
From the source .. The chief or highest rank is not excluded from the group , does it ?

That shows you don't even know what you're saying...

Which group are you talking about?

From Strong Greek the same word means ORIGIN

Its clear they existed before Earth. That make them exist before Genesis 1:1 cos it mention earth.

What of heavens?

And the angels watch as the earth foundation is laid ? foundation been laid means it not even yet formed at the time. O ma se o


So are this angels in eternity ?

Lastly, why the creation of heavens wasn't mentioned in Job 38?

Is it only earth God created?

Barristter07:
Rev 3:14
Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

And I ask Did he existed as God the son?

When all your balloons of lies have been deflated with a pin, next is to resort to joke....

Jesus is eternal as well as Holy Spirit according to the scripture.

So only eternal being can exist in eternity, true or false?

By prepare you mean Create ?

Olodo....i even cited a statement from your own organization which says that Gen 1:1 could have happened billion of years before Gen 1:2, which can mean when God first created heavens and the earth, the earth was not habitable before God prepared it to be habitable.

Barristter07:
Pending question: is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

This is irrelevant as long as you can't insert any of the word you listed into Rev 3:14 for us to see how it fit in.

Again, the word BEGINNING wasn't part of what you listed, how come? This is my question to you too which is still pending.

Job 38:4-7 angels existed before Genesis 1:1 , I love where we are in this discussion, you have to turn to Lies and fabrications . interesting


Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone —
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy? "

Why is the creation of heavens not mention here?

Was it only EARTH God created?

This shows how depth your lack of scriptural understanding sink.

Since angels existed before Genesis 1:1, are they created , let's see how sound your point on Rev 3:14 is

God isn't a deluded person like JWs, He perfectly knows that a created being needs a space to occupy, so he created Heavens and the earth FIRST IN THE BEGINNING.

But an educated illiterate like you will say a created beings later joined ETERNITY.

Barristter07:
I can only take you serious when u answer these.
Existed As God the son?

Jesus is an eternal being according to the scripture also The Holy Spirit....

So only eternal being can exists in eternity...

Which means you lied for saying a created being later joined eternity.

Dont be stupid . verse 4 says when he laid the foundation , foundation means starting which shows they existed prior to the earth. Since angels existed prior to Genesis 1:1, your point is dead on arrival. Are angels eternal beings ?

Ole.....

Job 38 is all about how God prepared the earth...which is very clear from the preceding verses which is the reason creation of heaven wasn't mentioned. Unless you want to tell us that it was ONLY earth that was created by God according to Job.

I know you've been learning something today apart from watchtower magazine and Awake

Barristter07:
No it doesnt , you need to state where angels existed Before Genesis 1 ? #laughs

Heaven and earth were created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING

God isn't a deluded person like you. He knows a created being needs a space to occupy.

That's why He created Heavens and the earth FIRST AT THE BEGINNING.

Only a liar like you will say, Created beings joined ETERNITY

Barristter07:


So only the Father existed there before Genesis 1 ?

All the ETERNAL BEING IN GODHEAD exists before Genesis 1

U need to be schooled again ?

Job 38:6,7 ... So where are they dwelling before Heaven and earth were created ?

Olodo....
I know that's where you will rush to....

Job 38 is about how God prepared the earth to be habitable for man....Gen 1 can't be wrong when it says "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"

Even your organization once said that Gen 1 could have happened billions of years before God prepared earth for man to live.

So in a nutshell, both Rev 3:24 and Gen 1:1 can't have two things happened IN THE BEGINNING at the same time.

Here you're a liar and the word of God is true!

Barristter07:
Is Heaven and earth not beginning again ni ?? O ma se o

It means you're a liar because a created being cant exist in eternity only an eternal being can.

You don't even see how this exposed your fraud that after Jesus was created he joined the Father in ETERNITY. What a useless statement!

Barristter07:

Father , Jesus and the angels all existed before Genesis 1:1 , going by your logic the angels were not created too . if the angels are created before Genesis 1:1 , what stop Jesus from being created too ? Rememt the analysis is still there which you have been Dodging, Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

You've said Jesus and angels joined the Father eternity which is pure lie....

Only eternal being exists in ETERNITY, true or false?

And where did you read it that angels were created before Genesis 1

Jozzy4:
Barrister so this guy ended up roasted again. Bros , Angels exist before Genesis 1:1. They are in eternity

Only an ETERNAL BEING exists in ETERNITY proof me wrong first before your jumbo mombo....

And if you insist that both Jesus and Angels exist in eternity then it means they are all ETERNAL

Jozzy4:
But David na creation ba ?

That's why I said you people lack scriptural understanding.

for God to make David His firstborn isn't because David was created FIRST but the preceding statement is the key here...."HIGHER THAN THE KING OF THE EARTH"

Which means the firstborn is in RANK or POSITION that's the same thing about Colossians to Jesus.

Barristter07:
Anytime people in the scripture accomplished something by Power of the Father . he is always credited as the one doing it. Re visit your Sunday school classes .

Does that change the fact that proverb 8:22 proved the speaker was created ?

Ole.....

Prov 8 specifically mentioned how God Himself carried out the creations when the speaker was just beside Him.

It means just as you misunderstood Rev 3:14 you also misunderstood Prov 8 because it exposes your lies.

Other places in the scripture also mentioned how God carried out the creation activities.
even God said "MY OWN RIGHT HAND"

Barristter07:
together with angels cos they exist before the beginning of Genesis .

More problems for you

You're a liar....

Only eternal being can exist in eternity!

So to say both Jesus and even angels both join the Father in eternity means you lack understand.

Barristter07:
He was a master worker. Get that ?
The point here is the speaker was Created before the earth.

So Jesus wasn't the one who created everything anymore He was just a master worker...

I know you already know what it's about to hit you that's why you're playing a dubious play here....

And you lying people will be saying God created Jesus FIRST THEN USED JESUS TO CREATE EVERYTHING OTHER THINGS...

So what is the work of this Master worker? When it was God Himself that was creating everything according to Prov 8?

Barristter07:
The writer explained the List with detailed examples . the example will wound you this evening

Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Where in the list that BEGINNING appeears?

Substitute your list into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it will fit in....is that too much for you to do?

Between angels and the Earth which came first ? Let me test your IQ .

Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and earth

Barristter07:
Since an arch enemy is part of enemies . Jesus after his creation Joined the Father

So Jesus joined the father in eternity bah