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deflover:
Look no one will come for the pastors if they lived modest lives.

Then is it about living a modest life or about doing the God's will?

People who have been attacking the issue of Tithe never claimed they are doing so because the way some so called man of God spent it but claiming it's not biblical.

So the issues here are of different types.
Carry your campaign against how pastors do about the affairs of church money is different from using the avenue of tithe to destroy God's word.

The funny part of it is that, most people on NL who are cheering Daddy Freeze are ATHEISTS, why Christian can't see where the problem lies?

So Daddy Freeze is now the only person who has absolute authority to tell what is right in Christianity

betterABIAstate:
tithing is not. Christianity

How do you know?

smoy:
Injil was sent to Isa and not news.

You see where the problem lies now. You like Muhammad only after words and not the meaning which has given rise to many misunderstanding and misconception of spiritual words used in the Bible.

Injil according to ALL Islamic scholars means GOSPEL and Gospel simply means GOOD NEWS or GLAD TIDING!

So what is the ACTUAL good news given to your Isa by Allah?

different translation you said? no i mean different bible, the bible of Catholic has about 7 more books than others, then RSV said because of great defect the KJV has made for the call by the 50 different denomination to revise the bible after that another revise standard came out, then among many are book of Momoh, Queen Jams version, satanic version etc

now my questioned is son and servant are they the same or nearest in meaning ? Act 3:13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.(KJV)

read same Act 3:13 from RSV The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[a] Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

I don't want us to derail this thread with this, you can open a new thread about this and invite me if you mind.

smoy:
other books were edited after the departure of the prophet entrusted with this books, like bible you can clearly see the hand of human in it, in this we have revise, revise standard and revise of the revises and today we have over 50 different types of bible which each one is either slightly or wholly deffer from another and that gives rooms for contradiction and error of manipulation.

the question was answered go back and read my first comment on this topic.

I give up on you immediately I see you comparing two BIBLE VERSIONS/TRANSLATIONS as various Bible.

It's like saying Yusuf Ali's Version or Dawood's version are different types of Qur'an.

This is the same mistake Muhammad made when he thought, Zabul(Psalms) was written by David or Jesus is one who wrote Gospel.

I see you stylishly avoided my first question, which is: what is the ACTUAL good news that Allah gave your Isa?

smoy:
not an insult but miracle for unlettered man to bring the never reversed or edited book called Qur'an with accurate scientific prediction for the mankind for internal life as well as good living. your question was answered for the gospel.

So the other books are edited before they were sent right

Besides, you haven't answered the question @OP raised, how was the Gospel (The good new) was GIVEN to Isa?

The point here is HOW

smoy:
Apart fro Prophet Muhammad (saw) whom Allah reveal Qur'an for span of years (23 years) as the situation warranted but for all other prophets including Jesus they were given their books at once, though Prophet Muhammad did no tell us much about their compilations but we were made to know that they were given books and must of the prophet were learned and could write and read, Muhammad was only prophet who could not read and write, the book sticks to his unfailing memory and recited for his companions who could write them down. But Allah know best.

The question is, how was GOSPEL given to your isa?

Imaging a book sticks to an illiterate memory, is it hard cover or exercise book?... This is what you said not an insult.

mujahid777:
We aren't saying a book of scrolls written in aramaic popped out from the skies and fell on Jesus's lap,if that's what you so vacously think.

So what is the GOOD NEWS isa was preaching to his people.

smoy:
take it easy Baba, Jesus was preaching the gospel in form of what? word of mouth or deaf sign

Have you even tried to ask yourself an honest question about the GOSPEL?

I mean, if gospel simply means GOOD NEWS, then what is the ACTUAL Good News that was given to Jesus?

The GOOD NEWS is about what?

For instance, if you tell your junior one that you have Good News for him/her, what do you think s/he will be expecting?

dalaman:
No body knows what it is for now.

So you only have FAITH that singularity point do exist. it's all right!

How can mythology and fiction proof life to me?

But your own unknown god has proved it to you.

I asked you a question instead of answering it you are asking me more questions. Just answer my question and stop this evasive tactics of yours.

You asked me to use a book you've already concluded to be mythology and fiction, besides, if you can tell me the composition of life the I'll tell you the process that God used to create life. is that not simple?

hopefulLandlord:
you tell me since you claim to know

When did I tell you I know anything about singularity point?

I asked a question and you quoted my post out of curiosity, now accusing me of what I didn't say.

hopefulLandlord:
who told you something put the singularity there? talk of the usual "God of the gaps" lol

No body talks about God of the gab here

What was the NATURE of the singularity point?

dalaman:
Which one is atheist scientists? Our known universe is said have started expanding about 13 billion years ago from a singularity.

So who put the singularity point there?

What was the nature of that singularity point?

The bible is the mythical and fictional work of the ancient Jews.

How does this proof LIFE to you?

Use the bible alone and explain to me how God created life, when and where with clear and demonstrable examples? Let's see if you can.

First of all, tell me what is LIFE and its composition.

dalaman:
Nobody knows if the universe has an origin or not. That is not what scientists are saying.

Are you saying Atheist scientists aren't said the universe has an origin and it's about 14billion years old?

You don't know your origins in reality you only believe through faith the hypothesis of the ancient Jews.

Does the Bible only stand on faith?

This is where you people always miss it. God has been REVEALING Himself to people from ages which can be seen through out Bible. If faith alone is what Bible claimed, Christianity would have died.

Christ said: "If you love me you'll keep my commandment [u]and I will MANIFEST/REVEAL myself unto you" John 14:21

You see the Bible is beyond faith alone but also having encounter with the spiritual realm for confirmation of this reality.

dalaman:
Its not God or nothing. NO one KNOWS for sure how life came about on the planet or even if this our planet is the only one in the universe that habours life.

Following this your assertion, then it means LIFE itself is the creation of the universe. If universe itself has origin and even its age can be known, why a fraction of its part LIFE difficult to trace its origin

Like I usually say, the reason why origin of LIFE is not known by Atheist scientists is because LIFE ITSELF is immaterial that goes beyond microscope realm.

We can only speculate and throw out different hypothesis. But the reality is that no one knows for sure.

Atheist can only speculate but we Christians know our origin and origin of life.

"In Him was LIFE and 'the LIFE' was the LIGHT of men"

hahn:
Does your god really believe that it created plants before the sun?

Can you tell us at what condition/s the first plant your own God create exists?

dalaman:
All the religious Gods(Allah, Yahweh, Amun Ra, Brhama, Sango, Zeus etc )are creation of men.

Then tell us your own God who created life?

dalaman:
I don't know where life came from.

Why are you then 100% so sure that life doesn't come from God?

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UmarIbnShittu:
Ismaeel(AS)-Ishmeal was originated from Saudi arabia
Lûth(AS)-Lot was originated from Iraq

Shoaib(AS)-jethro was originated from syria

Sir

Why Ishmeal and not Abraham himself?

Then why did Qur'an says Muhammad was the first prophet in Arab?

UmarIbnShittu:
they've helped "past tense" you might need to review the verse again
And not only the whole of d 24 prophets B4 him


Wall'Allahu a'alam
tym for salat

BRB

Just imaging, so it's now "helped" which is past tense whereas see the very version you quoted: "...and then there comes to you a Messenger fulfilling that which is with you, you shall surely believe in him and have to help him.’..."

To you the messenger who will fulfill what is with the people here is obviously Muhammed and the verse goes on to say this same messenger "...SHALL surely..."

UmarIbnShittu:
Yes they were arab prophets

So you mean Muhammed wasn't the first prophet of Allah in Arab?
You keep complicating issue for Qur'an and Allah

UmarIbnShittu:
I don't no their tribe how do you expect me to know or did I tell you I'm all-knower?

OK if you don't know let me ask in this way for a better understanding.

Was there any prophet in Arab before Muhammed that Allah was addressing among the Prophets?

UmarIbnShittu:
the people before the prophet Muhammad's (SAW) people
So where is the eror he claimed Allah made

You agree it's THE PEOPLE before Muhammed, now

"The PEOPLE " are they Arabian or Non-arabian?

UmarIbnShittu:
last I check it u dat can't comprehend a simple self explanatory verse.


And who has tym for you

You called it self explanatory verse and yet you're the one who lacked the simple comprehension.

Here is the INTRO of the verse: "3:81. (Recall the time) when Allâh bound (the people) to a covenant through the Prophets (saying),..."

i. (Recall the time): This shows that it's a past event being narrated.
ii. when Allah bound (the people): who are these people?

The people of Muhammed? No!
The people of the Prophets? Yes!

Are the Prophets Arabian? No!

iii. Bound (the people) to a COVENANT through the Prophets: If the Prophets and the people aren't Arabian, why Muhammed an Arabian sent by Allah?

Or you can simply tell us the people who Allah is referring to, than that will clear the air.

UmarIbnShittu:
good luck on your life quest of finding errors u might want broadcast the news on ait

I didn't go to any website to do copy and paste but I only analyzed a Qur'anic verse which you yourself quoted.

My point and question still remain,
I can't but help to ask after reading this verse, why would Allah now send a messenger to those who Allah didn't make covenant with?

If you don't know it's better to remain silent!

UmarIbnShittu:
3:81. (Recall the time) when Allâh bound (the people) to a covenant through the Prophets (saying), ‘Indeed, whatever I have vouchsafed to you of the Book and the Wisdom, and then there comes to you a Messenger fulfilling that which is with you, you shall surely believe in him and have to help him.’ (The Lord further) said, ‘Do you agree and do you undertake the heavy responsibility of My covenant on these (terms)?’ They said, ‘We do agree.’ (God) said, ‘Bear witness to it and I am with you among the witnesses.’

So you think there's no error in what you quoted, right

A critical examination of this sura you quoted point out many errors that debunked Islam:

1. The Prophets here are the one before Muhammad who are NOT Arabians

2. The people who Allah made covenant with through those Prophets are the people of that time, lineage of those Prophets and tribe of those Prophets. NOT ANOTHER TRIBE OR LINEAGE

Now from the sura you quoted, the sura said "...and then there come TO YOU a messenger fulfilling that which is WITH YOU... "

Notice the "TO YOU & WITH YOU" in the above outline which is the same people those Prophets spoke with.

I can't but help to ask after reading this verse, why would Allah now send a messenger to those who Allah didn't make covenant with?

lovingJehovah:
Now, Hebrews 10:10 "By this “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time'. In English, we say "you cannot eat your cake and have it". The body was GIVEN to us once and for all time and the body though perfect was in exchange for many as the Bible puts it in 1 Timothy 2:6. If God had given the man(human) body back to Jesus that would simply not be an EXCHANGE, it would have been a loan.

Christ demonstrated everything we need to know about kingdom of God, which means if will die we'll resurrect not the same FLESH and blood but with that of uncorruptible body. This is what the Bible testified about Christ resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit". The last Adam as you may agree with me is Jesus and the Bible clearly says that he became a spirit, a life-giving SPIRIT. The Jehovah's witnesses did not make this up to twist anyone's mind. You may verify from your own Bible.

This is what we called lack of scriptural understanding, in fact using this verse doesn't favour your argument at all because if you can read downward you can see what the Bible says of how the believers will have the spiritual body of Christ.

in verse 49 it says "Just as WE are now like the earthly man (Adam), WE will someday be like the heavenly man (Christ)"

Please is it a life given spirit like Christ that everybody will turn to afterward?

Let me see your next twist

1 Corinthians 15:50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption". Jesus did not ascend to the heavens as a man. Because FLESH and blood cannot get there and I am sure that you will give a nod to that.

The way you people are Cherry picking the scripture baffles a lot.
Verse 46 says "What comes first is the NATURAL BODY, then the SPIRITUAL BODY comes later."
So every Biblical students of truth know that Christ body was spiritual body not FLESH and blood if not blood supposed to be drifting from the printing of nails in His hands and legs, and He supposed to feel pains after resurrection since He felt pains before He died.

Exodus 33:20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live". If we go by your perception that Jesus is a man, how then can he be seated at the right hand of God as recorded in Acts &:56 ("Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God)?

So the 144,000 people who will went to heaven according to your organization won't see God or they're life given spirit like Christ

1 Corinthians 15 you're being tried to twist since explains better about earthly body and spiritual body, do you know the different between them?

John 4:24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” come to think of it, are you guys not contradicting yourselves by saying that Jesus is God and yet he is a man ( rose and ascended with his body) and yet you read John 4:24 and still claim that he is God and he is man. It is in sharp contrast.
God is a spirit and all inhabitants of the heaven are spirits as supported by Psalm 115:16 "As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah,+
But the earth he has given to the sons of men".

Bible can't lie, God is a spirit but does having spiritual body make one not to be a spirit?

Why would the same Apostle Paul who wrote 1 Corinthian still called Christ "A MAN" after His resurrection?

Reading 1 Corinthian 15 from verse 35 with open mind can solve all your confusion about Christ.

lovingJehovah:
Secondly, 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus". Here the Bible specifically states that Jesus is a mediator between us and God. Let me put it in this sense of communication, a mediator between you and your relative living in France is your phone (the network). Using your phone (mediator) you can connect and have a conversation with the receiver (relative). Jesus is referred to as "the way" which means that he leads us to God.

I find this part very interesting, so "...A MAN, Christ Jesus" is what Bible says but you belief through your organization that Jesus after His resurrection isn't A MAN but a spirit.

Waiting for how you'll twist this one.

I was just going through my Facebook page this morning and I came across this comment by a business friend from China.

pressplay411:
It's a mystery.
Is Jesus actually God Himself? Or a representation of God as you and I?

Jesus is not a representation of God but God Himself as The Word of God!

This doesn't mean Jesus is the entire God Himself.

Why most people do confuse the term of God for Jesus is because they don't understand it's about NATURE.

malvisguy212:
ahh, bro, long time, good to see you.

My co brethren I'm doing great how is everything over there