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Reading this your reply shows that you that opened this thread didn't know what you're doing before you opened it.

1) Nobody is talking about TRANSLATIONS here.

2) We are still talking about the same HEBREW here since Jesus Himself is an Hebrew man.

3) If I wrote few alphabets down in Yoruba i.e RASADI and as a Yoruba man the original speaker of that language told you an Igbo man that well the original PRONUNCIATION of this word is lost. Though I know it means the name of God! Everyone knows that this is not a problem for the Igbo man since the Igbo man will simply translate the meaning of that name to his own Language BUT where problem will arise is, CAN ANOTHER Yoruba man change the pronunciation? No!

lovingJehovah:
The shade of it all in the last line, uh huh
Well, there are many names in the Bible that have also been translated to other languages and accepted. No one in the world today speaks Aramaic used in writing the first part of the Bible. The argument goes likewise for many other names including Jesus.

The OTHER NAMES no record that they lost their PRONUNCIATIONS only God's name. Which means almost every Hebrew child knows the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATIONS of those OTHER NAMES.

Besides, we are not talking about translations but PRONUNCIATION of the original name of God.

As long as we make an effort to call him by his actual name, he understands.

How can you call God His actual name when you don't know how to pronounce the name?

For a fact, God is concerned about his name hence Exodus 3:15 "..."This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation."

Yet God couldn't restore the name.

Besides, since you've been talking about other language, do you mean THE HEBREW people of today would didn't know how to pronounce the original name of God. God will be angry with them for calling Him Lord or God?

How do you get along with other names without asking how Jesus pronounced them? Do you have a score with the name? Have you ever question how Jesus sounded his own name? Do you care how we now arrived at all other names in the Bible?

We were not told that OTHER NAMES lost their pronunciations but only God's name.
So stop coming with strawman argument.

John 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
Jesus made the name known while he was on earth.

So how does the PRONUNCIATION of the name lost again and the Apostles couldn't keep it?

Did Jesus Christ pronounce the original name or not that's the question?

There is another problem that you might have skipped. Yehoshua is translated as Jesus and not Jehovah. So, which first century Christians are you referring to?

Nobody is talking about translations here.
You're the first person to talk about first century Christians, so go back to your post and see what I'm talking about.

Yes, the original pronunciation of the name is lost.

This is the crust of the matter, you agreed it's lost but answer my question.

Did Jesus pronounce the original name when He read the book of Isaiah or follow the tradition of men by reading what the name has been change to?

What do you mean by tradition of men?

Tradition of men is replacing the name with either Lord or God according to your post.

So answer my questions above.

JMAN05:
How did Jesus pronounce his own name and how do you pronounce the name now?

You failed to read between the line of the point raised by your fellow brother but quickly jumped in to derail.

The points here are:

1) The original pronunciation of God's name in Hebrew has been lost long before Jesus Christ Himself came.

2) The fear of pronouncing the name had made men to substitute it for other name like Lord or God. Which made it a tradition of men.

3) Jesus read a passage from Isaiah where the name appeared.

4) Did Jesus follow the tradition of men by pronouncing what was written there i.e Lord, God or pronouncing the name with ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION?

5) If the original pronunciation of the name had been lost, don't you think Jesus supposed to restore it?

If this wasn't clear enough then I can't help you further.

lovingJehovah:
The exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. However, the form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530.

So the actual pronunciation is not known but JWs decided to follow the tradition of men to use Jehovah just because it has a long history in the English language.

If God is so concerned about His name, why must the pronunciation lost?
Why God didn't reveal the original pronunciation to Russell or the governing body?

Why is the pronunciation of God’s name in ancient Hebrew unknown?

However, after the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost. *

The scripture recorded that Jesus was given the book of Isaiah to read and according to your organization YHWH appeared in where Jesus read.

So how does Jesus pronounce it?
Did Jesus follow the tradition of men or used the original pronunciation?

Because it's evident that the original pronunciation had been lost long before Jesus Christ.

Misconception: Following the tradition of the Jews, God’s name should be removed from the Bible.

Fact: It is true that some Jewish scribes refused to pronounce the divine name. However, they did not remove it from their copies of the Bible. In any case, God does not want us to follow human traditions that deviate from his commandments.—Matthew 15:1-3.

Since God doesn't want us to follow the tradition of men, Jesus would've set the example.
So did Jesus pronounce the original name or not?

Misconception: The divine name should not be used in the Bible because it is not known exactly how to pronounce it in Hebrew.

Fact: This line of reasoning assumes that God expects people who speak different languages to pronounce his name identically. However, the Bible indicates that God’s worshippers in the past who spoke different languages pronounced proper names differently.

Consider, for example, the Israelite judge Joshua. First-century Christians who spoke Hebrew would have pronounced his name Yehoh·shuʹaʽ, while those who spoke Greek would have said I·e·sousʹ. The Bible records the Greek translation of Joshua’s Hebrew name, showing that Christians followed the sensible course of using the form of proper names common in their language.—Acts 7:45; Hebrews 4:8.

The problem here which you failed to see is that, if first century Hebrew Christians would pronounce God's name as YEHOH-SHU`A, it's still the pronunciation according to the tradition of men NOT the original LOST PRONUNCIATION.

The same principle can be applied to translating the divine name. Far more important than the exact pronunciation chosen is that God’s name be given its rightful place in the Bible.

The same principle can't be applied here.

In summary:
Did original pronunciation of God's name lost?
If God is so concerned about His name, why did He allow it to be lost?
How did Jesus pronounce the name, is it according to the tradition of men or used the original pronunciation?

March 9

mars123:
Hypocrisy is when you post this here and in 2019 you go vote in a visionless politician. Nigeria's failure is a team effort. We all have a hand in it one way or the other.

This is one of the reasons I stopped voting in this country since 2003.

Now what happened in late 2013 to 2015 is reoccurring, the way people thought PMB is the Messiah now they have started singing Messiah song for Atiku.

where are the images

Me77:
That's what a civilized person would do. Animals should have the right to live just as we humans.

if animals should have right to live so do plants also have right to live.

Then we can ask, what would you as a being will consume on to survive?

ArchangeLucifer:
So a conspiracy theorist's optical illusion is now termed "fact"?

Lol.

I almost tagged you "stupid" but I didn't want to offend stupid people.

There is nothing like optical illusion here, every structure comes out exactly what's on the mind of the designer with actual thought of the client.

Evidences are around the world with structures looking like plane, shoe, bag, toilet sit e.t.c

lovingJehovah:
Is Jesus standing at God's right hand?

Yes that's why he can PRAY to Lord Jesus.

tintingz:
Reasoning snatched from Muhammad.

So it means you're now a follower of reasoning

tintingz:
Your post here those not make sense and it still falls back to Epicurus question, and I'm not buying all those mythical stories you put up there.

Let me ask you, if you have the all power to stop bokoharam evil act, won't you put it to an end? If you don't, what should I call you?

Has Atheism snatched you from Muhammad

aiir2303:
Here

What's the name of that man making a call to men on the moon?

Though I'm not 100% subscribed to moon landing theory because of some reasons, one of it is space communication.

I watch a documentary about ISS from BBB (Big Bigger Biggest) the leap2: is Communication. That is, the challenge they must overcome.


Skylab which is the second ISS launched with three crews needs to be communicating back to earth. To overcome this, NASA has to fix receiver across the globe (more than 10), some receivers were fixed on the deck of ship and 8 special aircrafts equipped with receivers were made to fly also.

If it could take Skylab all these processes to communicate to earth as at 1973, how does it easy for moon men in 196.. to have communicated to earth?

This was the question I asked myself after watching the documentary.

akeensbussy:
The church as practice today is not the same as obtained in the bible...it is a different ball game entirely....human flesh has taken over and they are taking advantage of whole scenario.

The church is not the building according to bible but the people and they are to gather in their house braking bread together...not building cathedral and mansions....

The simple question is, are you ready to sell all your possessions like the days of Apostles?

Let me even add to the question, have you ever sold or ready to sell your possessions like the days of the apostles?

Now you started writing episode.

jade14:
Oga the privilege you get today owing a bible is all thanks to luther ,if he never voiced out you won't have it today

We thank God for that.
Now that we have the Bible do you need a voice to tell you standard of God's word?

jade14:
Oga nope..He has the voice,and his a comrade

Does having a voice set out the true standard of God's word?

betterABIAstate:
becuase Christianity is the life and teaching of Jesus Christ and Jesus never tithed

Can you show me where Jesus pay offering?

deflover:
Look no one will come for the pastors if they lived modest lives.

Then is it about living a modest life or about doing the God's will?

People who have been attacking the issue of Tithe never claimed they are doing so because the way some so called man of God spent it but claiming it's not biblical.

So the issues here are of different types.
Carry your campaign against how pastors do about the affairs of church money is different from using the avenue of tithe to destroy God's word.

The funny part of it is that, most people on NL who are cheering Daddy Freeze are ATHEISTS, why Christian can't see where the problem lies?

So Daddy Freeze is now the only person who has absolute authority to tell what is right in Christianity

betterABIAstate:
tithing is not. Christianity

How do you know?

smoy:
Injil was sent to Isa and not news.

You see where the problem lies now. You like Muhammad only after words and not the meaning which has given rise to many misunderstanding and misconception of spiritual words used in the Bible.

Injil according to ALL Islamic scholars means GOSPEL and Gospel simply means GOOD NEWS or GLAD TIDING!

So what is the ACTUAL good news given to your Isa by Allah?

different translation you said? no i mean different bible, the bible of Catholic has about 7 more books than others, then RSV said because of great defect the KJV has made for the call by the 50 different denomination to revise the bible after that another revise standard came out, then among many are book of Momoh, Queen Jams version, satanic version etc

now my questioned is son and servant are they the same or nearest in meaning ? Act 3:13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.(KJV)

read same Act 3:13 from RSV The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[a] Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

I don't want us to derail this thread with this, you can open a new thread about this and invite me if you mind.

smoy:
other books were edited after the departure of the prophet entrusted with this books, like bible you can clearly see the hand of human in it, in this we have revise, revise standard and revise of the revises and today we have over 50 different types of bible which each one is either slightly or wholly deffer from another and that gives rooms for contradiction and error of manipulation.

the question was answered go back and read my first comment on this topic.

I give up on you immediately I see you comparing two BIBLE VERSIONS/TRANSLATIONS as various Bible.

It's like saying Yusuf Ali's Version or Dawood's version are different types of Qur'an.

This is the same mistake Muhammad made when he thought, Zabul(Psalms) was written by David or Jesus is one who wrote Gospel.

I see you stylishly avoided my first question, which is: what is the ACTUAL good news that Allah gave your Isa?

smoy:
not an insult but miracle for unlettered man to bring the never reversed or edited book called Qur'an with accurate scientific prediction for the mankind for internal life as well as good living. your question was answered for the gospel.

So the other books are edited before they were sent right

Besides, you haven't answered the question @OP raised, how was the Gospel (The good new) was GIVEN to Isa?

The point here is HOW

smoy:
Apart fro Prophet Muhammad (saw) whom Allah reveal Qur'an for span of years (23 years) as the situation warranted but for all other prophets including Jesus they were given their books at once, though Prophet Muhammad did no tell us much about their compilations but we were made to know that they were given books and must of the prophet were learned and could write and read, Muhammad was only prophet who could not read and write, the book sticks to his unfailing memory and recited for his companions who could write them down. But Allah know best.

The question is, how was GOSPEL given to your isa?

Imaging a book sticks to an illiterate memory, is it hard cover or exercise book?... This is what you said not an insult.

mujahid777:
We aren't saying a book of scrolls written in aramaic popped out from the skies and fell on Jesus's lap,if that's what you so vacously think.

So what is the GOOD NEWS isa was preaching to his people.

smoy:
take it easy Baba, Jesus was preaching the gospel in form of what? word of mouth or deaf sign

Have you even tried to ask yourself an honest question about the GOSPEL?

I mean, if gospel simply means GOOD NEWS, then what is the ACTUAL Good News that was given to Jesus?

The GOOD NEWS is about what?

For instance, if you tell your junior one that you have Good News for him/her, what do you think s/he will be expecting?

dalaman:
No body knows what it is for now.

So you only have FAITH that singularity point do exist. it's all right!

How can mythology and fiction proof life to me?

But your own unknown god has proved it to you.

I asked you a question instead of answering it you are asking me more questions. Just answer my question and stop this evasive tactics of yours.

You asked me to use a book you've already concluded to be mythology and fiction, besides, if you can tell me the composition of life the I'll tell you the process that God used to create life. is that not simple?

hopefulLandlord:
you tell me since you claim to know

When did I tell you I know anything about singularity point?

I asked a question and you quoted my post out of curiosity, now accusing me of what I didn't say.

hopefulLandlord:
who told you something put the singularity there? talk of the usual "God of the gaps" lol

No body talks about God of the gab here

What was the NATURE of the singularity point?

dalaman:
Which one is atheist scientists? Our known universe is said have started expanding about 13 billion years ago from a singularity.

So who put the singularity point there?

What was the nature of that singularity point?

The bible is the mythical and fictional work of the ancient Jews.

How does this proof LIFE to you?

Use the bible alone and explain to me how God created life, when and where with clear and demonstrable examples? Let's see if you can.

First of all, tell me what is LIFE and its composition.

dalaman:
Nobody knows if the universe has an origin or not. That is not what scientists are saying.

Are you saying Atheist scientists aren't said the universe has an origin and it's about 14billion years old?

You don't know your origins in reality you only believe through faith the hypothesis of the ancient Jews.

Does the Bible only stand on faith?

This is where you people always miss it. God has been REVEALING Himself to people from ages which can be seen through out Bible. If faith alone is what Bible claimed, Christianity would have died.

Christ said: "If you love me you'll keep my commandment [u]and I will MANIFEST/REVEAL myself unto you" John 14:21

You see the Bible is beyond faith alone but also having encounter with the spiritual realm for confirmation of this reality.

dalaman:
Its not God or nothing. NO one KNOWS for sure how life came about on the planet or even if this our planet is the only one in the universe that habours life.

Following this your assertion, then it means LIFE itself is the creation of the universe. If universe itself has origin and even its age can be known, why a fraction of its part LIFE difficult to trace its origin

Like I usually say, the reason why origin of LIFE is not known by Atheist scientists is because LIFE ITSELF is immaterial that goes beyond microscope realm.

We can only speculate and throw out different hypothesis. But the reality is that no one knows for sure.

Atheist can only speculate but we Christians know our origin and origin of life.

"In Him was LIFE and 'the LIFE' was the LIGHT of men"

hahn:
Does your god really believe that it created plants before the sun?

Can you tell us at what condition/s the first plant your own God create exists?