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Blakjewelry:
The sun creates a crater like structure in space where all the objects in our solar system is located, so the planets also created a crater like structure inside the sun's crater where it house the moon

How are this crater form? because if Sun came before planets, it means Sun's gravity is already at work. Why will Sun's gravity allow planets to form freely?

Don't forget it was all in chaos.

4kings:
I'm sure you one of them guys that argue on YouTube comments.
Do you also think space is a hoax, earth is flat and so on.

I've never said anything about these, so just limit my points where we are for now.

I need some education, to get properly your point of view, i think have been blindfolded by too much Neil Degrasse Tyson.

The only way GRAVITY could have operate in various ways is if gravity itself is conscious and intelligent.

Just read about how they depict gravitational force in universe and how gravity actually works.

But your asteriods issue has to do with speed which depends on their distance from the sun.

This is where you should know the lies behind GRAVITY.

Firstly, Planets doesn't rotate at the same speed then why didn't they fall off their orbit?

Secondly, if we should follow your point about asteroids speed being defer. Then there should be a great chaos in our solar system since planets don't rotate at the same speed.

Lastly, planets are not the same distance to the Sun.
Venue which is the second to the Sun is smaller than earth even rotate with lower speed than earth, yet the massive gravity of the sun couldn't pull it but the same Sun gravity can hold the biggest planet 'Jupiter' and all its moons in it's orbit.

Planets rotating clockwise has to do with early impact of asteroids.

How can gravity put all planets both big and small including their moons in their orbits BUT THIS SAME GRAVITY couldn't put asteroids in orbit?

If you think small asteroids could defile the almighty gravity
to crash into planets but the biggest planet still obeys gravity, then something is wrong somewhere.

It seems gravity is an intelligent being.

As for your last post, take into consideration the distance of the sun and moon and earth and moon.

If Sun's gravity could hold the farthest planet in it's orbit, are you saying this same gravity doesn't travel across the path of our Moon?

4kings:
"A body continues in a state of rest or of uniform rotation unless acted by an external force." - Newton's first law of motion.
Thus this conserves the initial angular momentum.

If the massive gravity of the sun can control earth even the biggest planet Jupiter, then tell me, is it the planetary gravity that supposed to be controlling their moons or Sun's gravity?

4kings:
uhm, Loventinz illustrated this with his ball and string example.

Yes gravity pulls the earth to the sun, but the earth is in motion and not stationery therefore it's acceleration changes it's direction.

Smile...but this same motion and acceleration doesn't apply to object like asteroids or planet's moon.

We have heard on several occasions where asteroid collided with planets, is it that those asteroids suddenly stopped moving or gravity went on break?

In fact, the biggest question is, while object like asteroids don't rotate in their orbits? or gravity doesn't have power to put asteroids in rotation?

Again, some scientists postulate that the reason while some planets rotate clockwisely is because THEIR MOON crashed back into their mother planets.

Please tell me, does it mean those moons didn't be in motion when they crashed back? or gravity went on holiday?

The way they claim gravity works, an open minded person can only come to conclusion that only intelligent being can operate that way.

Lovetinz:
1. If you tie a small ball to a string, hold your hand aloft and swing it around you at a speed just enough to keep if from falling...
The string is gravity.

So why do they put laboratory in space "ISS" to know how life can survive in ZERO gravity?

Should there be anything like ZERO gravity when sun's gravity can hold the farthest planet?

Gravity is hoax!

If gravity is pulling everything to earth's surface, why not the same gravity pulled all planets to sun's surface?

lovingJehovah:
What is the shape or form of the spirit?

Triangle....mtcheeee

why does this part interest you?

because if our spirit actually returns to God it means not all our part remained in the shore of ground. Which then nullified your own thread.

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You called yourself "A Contractor" what type of footing is that?

That Footing Base is nowhere fits into any structural specification.

Zanas:
They (Arabs) don't call it Jerusalem, they call it Al Quds

Was Arabic the language the Jews speak?

lovingJehovah:
The Bible clearly spoke about the spirit (which is the breath of life) returning to God but what about the soul?

So, you agree that if person died something must return to God in heaven...

This is the only part that interests me because I know other points reflect how confused you people can be.

Peacefullove:
O boy, All this Christians won't cease to amaze me .

The Green caught my attention ,

- You mean Yeshua and Yahweh is father are equal in Nature ?

- Is Jesus Yahweh or a servant of Yahweh ?

Waiting for your response

So you can quote my post and yet couldn't see it through that Jesus isn't the Father! But for Yahweh they both own that name.

The green part that caught your attention simply means, Jesus and His Father are of the same nature just like you and your dad are human being.

The nature of man if different from Animal.
The nature of Angel is different from that of man.
The nature of God is different from that of man and Angel.

lovingJehovah:
You will never be satisfied with answers because you are biased. You are a hater of the JW and that changes nothing.

So you create a thread only to massage the ego of your brother. Well if you think I'm a hater of your organization that's good because I'm a terror to all those who conceal truth in lies.

You have been answered and yet you stay recycling your questions just to get a feel that is non-existing. You are asking someone to tell you how Jesus pronounced God's name? Are you being realistic? Do we speak that language? The scriptures were recorded as written text and not motion picture. Even in English there are many pronunciations to a single word. None of the words that you pronounce today were pronounced the same way that Jesus pronounced it because they were all written in another language that has its own rules. The name Jesus is English and in the Hebrew and Greek languages it doesn't come off as the English pronunciation.
Get some education on Linguistics. Each language has rules and they guide pronunciations of word. The way centre is pronounced in English is different from the way it is pronounced in French. It would be inept to ask a French who has no knowledge of English to sound centre in English.
Let me ask you a similar question that you are asking and see how well you perform. Here is a word in old persian, xšaθra. Please pronounce it the way Cyrus the great pronounced it.
Here is another one, ⲡ ⲧ ϫ ⲕ. Pronounce it the way the Egyptian Pharoahs pronounced it. If you cannot, then you have no case. In every language, all you do is translate words that are in foreign languages and forge ahead.
Asking the same question and recycling it is a waste of human organs and a way to feel victorious when a case is lost. Is that question your only defense? If you got a good case you should bring on evidences and not wasting people's time in a whirlpool.

You simple problem is that you lack simple comprehension, if not you'd have realized that I didn't ask HOW did Jesus pronounce the NAME?

From your OPEN THREAD, common sense will draw you to conclusion which is just a answer to my question but since you people have been programmed like robot to reason in one way, so applying common sense will be difficult.

I know quiet well that you people know the implication of giving straight answer to my question that's why you people keep perambulating over it.

Finally, if you claim Jesus made the name KNOWN then why didn't you call Jesus Jehovah since the same Jesus came in His Father's name?

Jozzy4:
Jesus clearly said he makes the name KNOWN , He won't have used substituted words to claim that!

Just imaging, Jesus said He made the name KNOWN. So, that's how your organization has programmed you to interpret this verse.

At least you people always hide under misquote works of some NT scholars but can you give us at least TWO NT scholars who interpreted this verse as Jesus was moving around shouting JEHOVAH up and down?

Besides, if your interpretation of this verse means Jesus was actually telling people about the name Jehovah, why didn't you call Jesus Himself Jehovah? Since Jesus said He came in His Father's name! John 5:43

Provide your evidence that the pronounciation has been LONG LOST BEFORE THE TIME OF JESUS?

Now you are asking me to provide evidence. (That means you didn't even read the OP in the first place you only jumped in as a robot to support your brother about the name Jehovah) because according to your brother who opened this thread, he said the original pronunciation was lost SHORTLY after the OLD TESTAMENT was completed.

Was OT completed after the death of Jesus or before Jesus was born?

This is what he said from the OP because you need to be taught like a primary 4

Ancient Hebrew was written without vowels, using only consonants. The Hebrew-speaking reader could easily provide the appropriate vowels. However, after the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost.

Jozzy4:

https://www.nairaland.com/1524683/reason-why-jehovah-witnesses-call

That's why I said you people are robot only program to act the way the governing body wants.

My points on this thread so far was never ABOUT why JWs are using the name JEHOVAH, do we need to use this name or the TRANSLATION of the Hebrew name.

My points was raised from the OP itself. Now I'll quote the portion of the OP and insert my comment in red, maybe this time you people can receive sense.

The exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. (This reason why the EXACT PRONUNCIATION is not known was provided by OP below!) However, the form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530. *

Why is the pronunciation of God’s name in ancient Hebrew unknown? (This is a question asked by OP himself!)

Ancient Hebrew was written without vowels, using only consonants. The Hebrew-speaking reader could easily provide the appropriate vowels.

(Now this is where my crucial point was reaised!)However, after the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost.* (From here, we can deduce the followings:
1. The Jews adopted a SUPERSTITION (This superstition is the TRADITION OF MEN) not to utter the Name of God.

2. They substituted an expression for the ORIGINAL NAME which are LORD OR GOD.

3. This substitution lead to the entire lost of the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION of God's name as century passed.

NOW: Prior to the time of Jesus the original pronunciation of God's name is still lost which means nobody knows how to pronounce it, so the ONLY way is to pronounce it either in LORD or GOD.

So, Jesus was given a portion of the book of Isaiah to read and the name of God appeared in that portion.

My question which you people are perambulating over and mixing with your delusions stems from here.

Did Jesus follow the SUPERSTITION of men by pronouncing what God's name was substituted for i.e Lord or God, or Jesus used the original pronunciation of God's name?

I believe this explanation is enough for a Primary 4 pupils to understand unless their teacher is from Kaduna.

lovingJehovah:
Are you talking of an English pronunciation of a word written in Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic without translating it? What in the real sense are you asking?

I said it, it's very cleared that you don't understand your own post unfortunately you've started to derail your own thread but I won't allow that.

The simple question I asked after cited different reference from your OP was, DID JESUS HIMSELF PRONOUNCE THE ORIGINAL NAME WHEN HE READ THAT PORTION OF ISAIAH?

Points deducing from your OP are:
1) The original pronunciation name of God had been lost.

2) The fear of pronouncing God's name in vain had caused the Jews to substitute it for Lord or God.

3) This substitution brought about the tradition of men being followed

Now if Jesus actually read that portion of Isaiah and the original name of God appeared there

Did Jesus actually follow the tradition of men by pronouncing what was substituted for God's name or He used the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION?

After all Jesus supposed to know the original pronunciation of the name because His Father will surely teach Him if His Father is so much concerned about it.

You can see that this is different from translations issue but since you people have been programmed only to defend the word JEHOVAH you couldn't understand my points.

This is the simple question have been asking and none of you can't answer instead rumbling and perambulating here.

Jesus pronounced it many times.

Can you show us where Jesus pronounce it?

Chech the attached PIC below to see how your own organization refuted your claim.

JMAN05:
You knw how many times I ve refuted your claims in this board.

Provide a link to the thread(s) you've refuted my claims.

Only if you are honest.

Are you honest with yourself

But your problem is going straight and answer question without filling the whole thread with long unreasonable write-ups.

You called it unreasonable, but you always enjoy them and learn them from them.

Why not give a straight answer? Is that hard for you?

I asked question first, so answer mine and answer to your question will come immediately.


You're looking for a way to derail this thread but I won't allow that. If you didn't answer my question then forget it.

JMAN05:
That question I asked is it too big that you can't provide a simple answer? That's why discussing with you is a burden.

Have a nice day!

Imaging I first asked question you didn't answer but have to jump in with your own question.

Besides, like I pointed out from my previous points raised, it's not about TRANSLATIONS but about LOST PRONUNCIATION.

Discussing with me will always be burden to JWS because they can't refute my points.

Reading this your reply shows that you that opened this thread didn't know what you're doing before you opened it.

1) Nobody is talking about TRANSLATIONS here.

2) We are still talking about the same HEBREW here since Jesus Himself is an Hebrew man.

3) If I wrote few alphabets down in Yoruba i.e RASADI and as a Yoruba man the original speaker of that language told you an Igbo man that well the original PRONUNCIATION of this word is lost. Though I know it means the name of God! Everyone knows that this is not a problem for the Igbo man since the Igbo man will simply translate the meaning of that name to his own Language BUT where problem will arise is, CAN ANOTHER Yoruba man change the pronunciation? No!

lovingJehovah:
The shade of it all in the last line, uh huh
Well, there are many names in the Bible that have also been translated to other languages and accepted. No one in the world today speaks Aramaic used in writing the first part of the Bible. The argument goes likewise for many other names including Jesus.

The OTHER NAMES no record that they lost their PRONUNCIATIONS only God's name. Which means almost every Hebrew child knows the ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATIONS of those OTHER NAMES.

Besides, we are not talking about translations but PRONUNCIATION of the original name of God.

As long as we make an effort to call him by his actual name, he understands.

How can you call God His actual name when you don't know how to pronounce the name?

For a fact, God is concerned about his name hence Exodus 3:15 "..."This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation."

Yet God couldn't restore the name.

Besides, since you've been talking about other language, do you mean THE HEBREW people of today would didn't know how to pronounce the original name of God. God will be angry with them for calling Him Lord or God?

How do you get along with other names without asking how Jesus pronounced them? Do you have a score with the name? Have you ever question how Jesus sounded his own name? Do you care how we now arrived at all other names in the Bible?

We were not told that OTHER NAMES lost their pronunciations but only God's name.
So stop coming with strawman argument.

John 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
Jesus made the name known while he was on earth.

So how does the PRONUNCIATION of the name lost again and the Apostles couldn't keep it?

Did Jesus Christ pronounce the original name or not that's the question?

There is another problem that you might have skipped. Yehoshua is translated as Jesus and not Jehovah. So, which first century Christians are you referring to?

Nobody is talking about translations here.
You're the first person to talk about first century Christians, so go back to your post and see what I'm talking about.

Yes, the original pronunciation of the name is lost.

This is the crust of the matter, you agreed it's lost but answer my question.

Did Jesus pronounce the original name when He read the book of Isaiah or follow the tradition of men by reading what the name has been change to?

What do you mean by tradition of men?

Tradition of men is replacing the name with either Lord or God according to your post.

So answer my questions above.

JMAN05:
How did Jesus pronounce his own name and how do you pronounce the name now?

You failed to read between the line of the point raised by your fellow brother but quickly jumped in to derail.

The points here are:

1) The original pronunciation of God's name in Hebrew has been lost long before Jesus Christ Himself came.

2) The fear of pronouncing the name had made men to substitute it for other name like Lord or God. Which made it a tradition of men.

3) Jesus read a passage from Isaiah where the name appeared.

4) Did Jesus follow the tradition of men by pronouncing what was written there i.e Lord, God or pronouncing the name with ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION?

5) If the original pronunciation of the name had been lost, don't you think Jesus supposed to restore it?

If this wasn't clear enough then I can't help you further.

lovingJehovah:
The exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. However, the form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530.

So the actual pronunciation is not known but JWs decided to follow the tradition of men to use Jehovah just because it has a long history in the English language.

If God is so concerned about His name, why must the pronunciation lost?
Why God didn't reveal the original pronunciation to Russell or the governing body?

Why is the pronunciation of God’s name in ancient Hebrew unknown?

However, after the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost. *

The scripture recorded that Jesus was given the book of Isaiah to read and according to your organization YHWH appeared in where Jesus read.

So how does Jesus pronounce it?
Did Jesus follow the tradition of men or used the original pronunciation?

Because it's evident that the original pronunciation had been lost long before Jesus Christ.

Misconception: Following the tradition of the Jews, God’s name should be removed from the Bible.

Fact: It is true that some Jewish scribes refused to pronounce the divine name. However, they did not remove it from their copies of the Bible. In any case, God does not want us to follow human traditions that deviate from his commandments.—Matthew 15:1-3.

Since God doesn't want us to follow the tradition of men, Jesus would've set the example.
So did Jesus pronounce the original name or not?

Misconception: The divine name should not be used in the Bible because it is not known exactly how to pronounce it in Hebrew.

Fact: This line of reasoning assumes that God expects people who speak different languages to pronounce his name identically. However, the Bible indicates that God’s worshippers in the past who spoke different languages pronounced proper names differently.

Consider, for example, the Israelite judge Joshua. First-century Christians who spoke Hebrew would have pronounced his name Yehoh·shuʹaʽ, while those who spoke Greek would have said I·e·sousʹ. The Bible records the Greek translation of Joshua’s Hebrew name, showing that Christians followed the sensible course of using the form of proper names common in their language.—Acts 7:45; Hebrews 4:8.

The problem here which you failed to see is that, if first century Hebrew Christians would pronounce God's name as YEHOH-SHU`A, it's still the pronunciation according to the tradition of men NOT the original LOST PRONUNCIATION.

The same principle can be applied to translating the divine name. Far more important than the exact pronunciation chosen is that God’s name be given its rightful place in the Bible.

The same principle can't be applied here.

In summary:
Did original pronunciation of God's name lost?
If God is so concerned about His name, why did He allow it to be lost?
How did Jesus pronounce the name, is it according to the tradition of men or used the original pronunciation?

March 9

mars123:
Hypocrisy is when you post this here and in 2019 you go vote in a visionless politician. Nigeria's failure is a team effort. We all have a hand in it one way or the other.

This is one of the reasons I stopped voting in this country since 2003.

Now what happened in late 2013 to 2015 is reoccurring, the way people thought PMB is the Messiah now they have started singing Messiah song for Atiku.

where are the images

Me77:
That's what a civilized person would do. Animals should have the right to live just as we humans.

if animals should have right to live so do plants also have right to live.

Then we can ask, what would you as a being will consume on to survive?

ArchangeLucifer:
So a conspiracy theorist's optical illusion is now termed "fact"?

Lol.

I almost tagged you "stupid" but I didn't want to offend stupid people.

There is nothing like optical illusion here, every structure comes out exactly what's on the mind of the designer with actual thought of the client.

Evidences are around the world with structures looking like plane, shoe, bag, toilet sit e.t.c

lovingJehovah:
Is Jesus standing at God's right hand?

Yes that's why he can PRAY to Lord Jesus.

tintingz:
Reasoning snatched from Muhammad.

So it means you're now a follower of reasoning

tintingz:
Your post here those not make sense and it still falls back to Epicurus question, and I'm not buying all those mythical stories you put up there.

Let me ask you, if you have the all power to stop bokoharam evil act, won't you put it to an end? If you don't, what should I call you?

Has Atheism snatched you from Muhammad

aiir2303:
Here

What's the name of that man making a call to men on the moon?

Though I'm not 100% subscribed to moon landing theory because of some reasons, one of it is space communication.

I watch a documentary about ISS from BBB (Big Bigger Biggest) the leap2: is Communication. That is, the challenge they must overcome.


Skylab which is the second ISS launched with three crews needs to be communicating back to earth. To overcome this, NASA has to fix receiver across the globe (more than 10), some receivers were fixed on the deck of ship and 8 special aircrafts equipped with receivers were made to fly also.

If it could take Skylab all these processes to communicate to earth as at 1973, how does it easy for moon men in 196.. to have communicated to earth?

This was the question I asked myself after watching the documentary.

akeensbussy:
The church as practice today is not the same as obtained in the bible...it is a different ball game entirely....human flesh has taken over and they are taking advantage of whole scenario.

The church is not the building according to bible but the people and they are to gather in their house braking bread together...not building cathedral and mansions....

The simple question is, are you ready to sell all your possessions like the days of Apostles?

Let me even add to the question, have you ever sold or ready to sell your possessions like the days of the apostles?

Now you started writing episode.

jade14:
Oga the privilege you get today owing a bible is all thanks to luther ,if he never voiced out you won't have it today

We thank God for that.
Now that we have the Bible do you need a voice to tell you standard of God's word?

jade14:
Oga nope..He has the voice,and his a comrade

Does having a voice set out the true standard of God's word?

betterABIAstate:
becuase Christianity is the life and teaching of Jesus Christ and Jesus never tithed

Can you show me where Jesus pay offering?