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Thank God he has power now to present the fact he had back then before he could raise the accusation but failure to do so means just a cheap political ranting.

I never truth any Nigeria Politicians!

harristo:
Even if you say that, JW aren't the only ones that don't believe in the trinity.

One of the main reasons I don't believe in the trinity even though I am not a JW, is because it makes the Bible truths less contradictory to me.

There are too many Basic foundational Bible truths that trinitarian belief contradicts.

Of course I know it isn't only JWs who doesn't believe in Trinity.

Well if you think Trinity makes the Bible truth LESS contradictory maybe it's the way you've understood it.

Please can you post some out of MANY basic foundational Biblical truth that Trinitarians believe that contradicts, so that we can look into it together?

Shalom!

Jozzy4:
Rants of a frustrated man .

Typical JWs when their lies are being exposed.

Emusan:
<?php
$makes = array('Acura', 'BMW', 'Lexus', 'Toyota', 'Honda');

if(isset($_POST['submit']))
{ echo '<pre>'; print_r($_POST); echo '</pre>'; }
?>

<form action="" method="post">
<select id="makes" name="makes">
<?php
foreach($makes as $m){ echo '<option value="'.$m.'">'.$m.'</option>'; }
?>
</select>
<select id="models" name="models">
</select>
<input type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit">
</form>



<script>
$('#makes').change(function(){
var make = $(this).val();
$.post('select-request.php', {make:make}, function(data){
$('#models').html(data);
});
});
</script>


<?php
error_reporting(E_ALL);

$acura = array('Integra', 'TSX', 'MDX');
$bmw = array('1 Series', '3 Series', '5 Series', 'X5');
$lexus = array('ES300', 'GX470', 'GS350', 'LS400H');
$toyota = array('Venza', 'Camry', 'Corolla', 'Echo');
$honda = array('Pilot', 'Accord', 'Civic', 'Ridgeline');

if(isset($_POST['make']))
{
$model = strtolower($_POST['make']);

foreach($$model as $mo){ echo '<option value="'.$mo.'">'.$mo.'</option>'; }
}
?>

Please a need someone to help here;
1. I want to put the whole thing on the same file
2. How can I re-write the jQuery/<script> so that it won't contain the $.post(select-request)?
3. I want onchange event to occur at the second select box.

Please if you want to help, kindly use the above codes as an example.

Thanks!

Jozzy4:
Pick your glasses and re-read my post . Its a question :

" So Stephen actually saw Jesus and GOD with his human eyes ?

As I corrected you in the other thread, was this how you were been taught in your English class to be asking question?

My guy, So heaven actually OPENED , abi ? "

No! Heaven was actually closed!

That question might help you to stop mistaking vision for a real-life event . ( Paul's Journey to damascus: A LIGHT FROM HEAVEN FLASHED and Jesus speaks , THE GLORY OF THAT LIGHT blinds paul Act 22:11 ; 'dwelling in unaproachable LIGHT' 1tim 3:16 thats a real encounter after his ascension to heaven. )

Was Apostle Paul talking about his encountered with Jesus or the NATURE of God in general?
Unconfused man who couldn't differentiate between encounter experience and the NATURE of God which the verse is talking about.

Jozzy4:
confuse man ; You Start a thread you cant handle then you start derailing .

a confused man that always furnished article that unconfused man can't refute.

Here is my first statement on this thread

" those guys ( JW's) hardly engage in a conversation where the op is a confuse man" .


Gradually , you proved the point as true ; all you now do is deviate from the main point of the thread just to save face .

You guys gat big problem .

So what is the tangle thing you have contributed to the OP other than ranting up and down?

I stop replying you because your new discovery word "confuse man" perfectly described you.

When you can say so heaven opened when Stephen saw Jesus which is the evidence that people actually saw Jesus after His ascension as it against your claim that the verse is talking about Jesus ascension.

How do you see the fact I presented above Mr unconfused man?

johnw74:
This Greber 'coverup' is disgusting, Isn't it?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/129299/this-greber-coverup-disgusting-isnt?page=3

No wonder the Bible describes false christianity as Har-lot Babylon or the whor-e
the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit

I didn't even have that link before but the one I have is much revealing.

That's why you won't see them again anytime you begin to bring reality to their faces.

See the summary of these two links:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/watchtower_greber.htm

*Here the Watchtower knew since 1955-1956 that Greber is a spirit medium
*In December 20, 1980 the Governing Body of JWs sent letter to Greber's Foundation for receiving the COPIES of both Greber's New Testament and his book titled "Communication with the Spirit World of God--Its Laws and Purpose" NOTE: they must have gotten them through a particular ADDRESS.
*After this letter people began to ask the society question for instance Keith Morse of Personal Freedom Outreach (PFO) wrote a letter to the society in (December 10, 1981) on how he can get Greber's translation, the society respond was "With reference to your inquiry regarding the publication the New Testament, by Johannes Greber, [size=14pt]we have to inform you that we do not publish or stock this book.[/size] In line with your comments, on the title page of our library copy of this book, against the date 1937, [size=14pt]the publishers are given as John Felsburg, Inc., 88 N. Fourth Ave., New York, NY. This is really the only information that we have,...[/size]

Notice the BOLD part;
@bold1-they claimed THEY DON'T STOCK THE BOOK was it that immediately they received the copies they quickly quote them and throw them away?
@bold2-they say the only information they have is the address of their library copy (not 'copies') which was the 1937 John Felsburg edition. Just imaging

*Their respond to Keith Morse prompted M. Kurt Goedelman of PFO to write the Society about this letter dated September 27, 1982. The letter is lengthen which I can't quote for the sake of space but it's on the link. But let me extract this from his letter "Thus I restate my question as to why the writers of Watchtower material are in use of a double standard. That is, numerous Watchtower publications roll off your presses instructing members to have nothing to do with spiritistic works, then they themselves quote from spiritistic material to endorse the theology of Jehovah's Witnesses.... Also in closing I would very much appreciate your comments concerning the enclosed photocopied Watchtower letter to Mr. Keith Morse (marked "Figure #4". The Society informed Mr. Morse that they do not know where to obtain a Greber 'New Testament' translation and only furnished him with an out-of-date address..."

*You know what [size=14pt]as a numerous questions from the readers the society stop using the works of Greber in April 1, 1983[/size] "Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber?

This translation was used occasionally in support of renderings of Matthew 27:52, 53 and John 1:1, as given in the New World Translation and other authoritative Bible versions...Watchtower 1/4/83

Can you see how they OPENLY ADMITTED THAT THEY USED IT IN SUPPORT OF John 1:1?

Second link is more the same as the first just that it makes comparison between Greber's teaching with that of JWs
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Greber.htm

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Some Greber's DOCTRINE (From his book: Communication with the Spirit World of God--Its Laws and Purpose):
[b]1. God has a Body: Material forms are images of spiritual forms, and since all material things have form and shape, so, too, have all spiritual things, and so, also, has God. ... Inasmuch, then, as God has a shape, He can be seen by the other spirits. (p. 260-61)
2. God Is Not Omnipresent: Inasmuch as God possesses shape and personality, He is not omnipresent ... as a personified spirit He is not everywhere. (p.261)
3. God Is Not Omniscient: You have plenty of proof that I am a truthful spirit ... When I tell you that God has no foreknowledge of the voluntary actions of men, I am not detracting from His greatness. ... such unerring foreknowledge is possessed by no spirit, nor even by God Himself. (p. 263,265)
4. Christ is God's First & Highest Creation: Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly. ... Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God's sons. ... Christ is the highest spirit which the omnipotent God could create. Christ ... is the first created "son of God", and as such, His highest and most perfect Creature.(p. 301, 267)
5. Christ is God's Agent in Creation, Not the Creator: Save for the first created Son of God, the entire spirit-world was brought into existence not by direct Divine creation ... but was called into being through the Son upon whom God had conferred creative power.(p.267-

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The same DOCTRINE by JWs:
1. God has a Body: The bodies of spirit persons (God, Christ, the angels) are glorious. (Insight on the Scriptures p.348)
2. God Is Not Omnipresent: The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location. (Insight on the Scriptures p.969)
3. God Is Not Omniscient: Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability ... (Reasoning from the Scriptures p.141)
4. Christ is God's First & Highest Creation: Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God's first creation, his firstborn Son. (Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.52) ... This means that [Jesus] was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God. (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 58)
5. Christ is God's Agent in Creation, Not the Creator: The Son's share in the creative works did not make him a co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God through his holy spirit... ((Insight on the Scriptures Vol. .2 p.52)

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I think the best questions to ask here is since JWs has admitted that Johannes Greber is a spiritst according to their April 1, 1983 and as seen from above
1. while is there so much SIMILARITY DOCTRINE between what a SPIRITIST believed and the self acclaimed mouth piece of God JWs?
2. Was Greber right with all his DOCTRINE?

neoapocalypse:
Eternal but not alive , unless you want to claim that your God is not alive.

Good to hear, which means ONE THING is actually eternal.

If Energy is not alive where does LIFE come from?

JMAN05:
Sorry no enlightenment for u.

Enlightenment from a lie lie person following lie lie organization.

@johnw74
Please don't follow them with caustic words.

If you want to catch JWs on John 1:1 just show them how they've used spiritist source like Johannes Greber and John S. Thompson whom they themselves confessed to be involved in spiritism.

Look at the attached pix it's a letter from self acclaimed mouth pic of God to Johannes Gerber's foundation.

But they say the light getting brighter instead of acknowledging their devil inspiration.

Atlantian:
Energy can not be created nor destroyed, but it can be converted from one form to another.

@bold-You mean Energy is ETERNAL, right?

Jozzy4:
And who told you Jesus is not created ?

The Bible told me when it says Jesus is an ETERNAL LIFE or can't it be created?

Proverb 8:22 " The LORD Made me (Jesus) as the beginning of his way, the earliest of HIS ACHIEVEMENT"

Like I explained to one of your brother sometimes ago, if you read the account of that Prov 8 very well you will find out that it totally refutes JWs. I don't have time to go into this now but let me just make emphasis on these.

From verse 26-29 will see WISDOM (the Me in verse 22) talking about the creation.

Verse 26-While as yet HE had not....
Verse 27-When HE prepared the earth...
Verse 28-When HE established...
Verse 29-When HE assigned...

Who is the HE in those verses?

The above nullified the teaching that God first created Jesus before He used Jesus to create other things as we can see it here that the ME said the HE did everything.

so jesus dwell in unapprochable light when he was on earth, abi? tell me when he start dwelling in unaprochable light, lets see if its not after his ascension to heaven ?

Was the life of Jesus started on earth?
Was Stephen when being stoned to death saw Jesus before His ascension to heaven?

Like as you purposely twist that scripture to suit your claim which never comes to your fable mind that people still see Jesus after His ascension.

JMAN05:
If you wànted a witness to respond, why don't u invite them?

I don't need to! Over 200views you can't tell me no JWs is among.

How can one [size=14pt]bearing a term that can apply to God mean that that one is God?[/size]

Let me agree that you don't know what you're saying when you type this.

You ve started with this ur puerile argument.

And you've started replying to this puerile argument.

Jozzy4:
: Jesus is another God ??

And this is how you're being taught in your English class to ask question.
Anyway it's depend on where your 'another' belongs to.

macof:
Then pls don't ever say this

And what will happen if I do?

Because ur own Eledumare is not Eledumare in yoruba

Ur own Eledumare is jst another name for Jehova,

But Eledumare in yoruba is a different thing entirely

As far as I know the understanding of two different people on ONE POINT/OBJECT varies.

How a Yoruba man understood Moon is different from how an English man does, yet there's only one Moon.

Jozzy4:
Answer me : jesus is another God ?

Did you ask any question

Jozzy4:
you
agree with them , YET you culd say @ op " Ironically, the society interprete this text in reference to Jesus" , See your confusion status ?

Sorry for this, you need more of basic English.

As I highlighted three key points from that verse which are:
1. the one alone having immortality,
2. who dwells in unapproachable light, &
3. whom not one of men has seen or can see.
And go on to say ONLY A BEING THAT IS UNCREATED can absolutely fit into these three descriptions. then you can appreciate my statement you referred to which means if these three attributes that only God possessed was used to describe Christ and JWs openly ADMITTED then Jesus is God.

They do ! End of story

Ok

Did paul say whom no man has seen AT ANYTIME ? Its clear, You are the confuse person

Did Paul also say after His ascension to heaven? It's clear, you're the one who added that.

macof:
Then where do you pit the different personality of Yahweh with that of Eledumare


I hope you know that Eledumare has no "only son" called jesus

My own Eledumare has.

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Jozzy4:
Okay , Jesus is another God ?

As you understand it.

Jozzy4:
Okay , you agree with the JW'S that paul is refering to Jesus.

Or am I missing something for such?

Nw answer the second part ! "No man has seen God at anytime " john 1:18 , question : didnt people see Jesus sometimes?

They do! and that's the purpose of this thread so that JWs can explain to us after Jesus was seen by many Apostle Paul can still use THREE ATTRIBUTES THAT MAKES GOD GOD FOR JESUS of which JWs openly ADMITTED.

Concerning That verse giving you headache, the verse said " dwelling in unapproachable lights" , that phrase in the context reveal that since his ascension to heaven, he dwells in unapprochable light therefore no man has see or can see him anymore . Paul's journey to damascus prove this fact , it was the light from Jesus WHOM PAUL HIMSELF CANT SEE that makes him blind . Its indeed unapproachable .

Whereas it's only God who dwells in unapproachable light.

Or has Angel ever described to dwell in unapproachable light before?

Again before you twist that verse, the verse says [size=14pt]"whom not one of men HAS SEEN..."[/size]

This never talked about His ascension or resurrection.

I know you purposely put ascension to heaven in other to explain away the events that happened during 40days of Jesus' resurrection.

Jozzy4:
Alright , is he that same God called Jesus ?

NO!
Let me see how you'll understand my NO!

Jozzy4:
Allah or whom are u talking about , tell us His Name ?

The Great Yahweh in Hebrew, Eledumare in Yoruba, Ugbangiji in Hausa as it is in every languages but just ONE CREATOR.

Jozzy4:
Typical confuse man.
Answer my 2 questions and stop runing in circles

Your first question is baseless because if those verses weren't talking about Jesus Christ I won't be here.

Your second question has been answered through my reply.

Just let me know any part you aren't clear with.

Jozzy4:
Brother , who is God ?

The uncreated creator who dwells in eternity!

Sometimes it's good to be silent than to be proven ITK.

Jozzy4:
You go wait tire ! Those guys hardly engage in a conversation where the OP is a confuse man

Let me ask you :

QUESTION 1: do you admit what they admit ? I mean do you agree with them that Paul is talking about Jesus ?

QUESTION 2: what do you understand by " no man has seen God AT ANYTIME" Joh 1:18 emphasis on " at anytime" ?

If your emphasis is on the phrase AT ANYTIME

Did you read in the OP the emphasis on those verses quoted?

Here is one of the emphasis: [size=14pt]"...whom not one of men has
seen or can see.”[/size] —1 Timothy 6:15, 16.

NOTICE THIS: NOT ONE OF MEN HAS SEEN
What do you understand by this and AT ANYTIME?

The Creator informs us in His revealed Word to man:

21 because, although they know who God is, they do not glorify him as God or thank him. On the contrary, they have become futile in their thinking; and their undiscerning hearts have become darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they have become fools! 23 In fact, they have exchanged the glory of the immortal God for mere images, like a mortal human being, or like birds, animals or reptiles!

24 This is why God has given them up to the vileness of their hearts’ lusts, to the shameful misuse of each other’s bodies. 25 They have exchanged the truth of God for falsehood, [size=14pt]by worshipping and serving created things, rather than the Creator — praised be he for ever. Amen.[/size] Rom 1:21-25

There's a difference between those things created by the Creator.

Over 200 views but no comment by any Jehovah witness.

Empiree:
Emusan, indeed. Why are you deceiving yourself?. Are you trying to change the nature?. It's mandated (even though it's not obligatory) for man to marry more than one woman. It's man's nature. Look at "Nollywood", many of whom are christians have concubines, secret wives, or even openly married second, third and 4th wives.

Do you listen to some of them lately openly saying that Muslims are correct?. Jibola Debo is typical example of that. That one woman is not enough for a man. Quran allows up to 4 wives. That's what matters. In the West where they frown at more than one wife, they marry one but have girl friends and sex partners outside of their matrimonia homes. That's not safe for women at all. That's like using women as sex object without security. So what are you talking about.

When i was in High school, my vice principal who is a christian married 5 women in the city. But his job was in village as VP. He slept with students as he wishes. He even failed some guys for competing with him i:e he snatched their GFs from them. He's a pastor in the city known to marry 5 wives. But he's a fornicator in the village and he's also called pastor/vp vis a vis. Many of them like that. Dont tell me "he's just a bad egg. He's not following the scripture". That's irrelevant

Seriously shaking my head for you!

mahdino:
Mr. Emusan, long time how are u and the family hope everything is fine.

I'm doing great by the help of God through His Son Jesus Christ.
How are you and the family doing also?

Mr. Emusan allow your self to be free.

From what sir?

You already have things at the back of your mind.

Everybody does but the knowledge of God superseded it all.

Why did God allow his prophets (which he speaks to) to marry more than one wives?

Thank Yahweh you used ALLOW not commanded as Muhammad usually claimed.

The critical part is God has already laid down the golden rule "Man shall leave his father and mother and CLIFF UNTO HIS WIVE (singular)" so if one disobeyed God and married more than one it's not God's command but YOUR OWN DISOBEDIENT.

Still you have fail to show a single place in the bible where polygamy is prohibited.

After the quote from Genesis and Jesus Christ Himself you can still say this.

In an important things of life and religion you dont use assumption to judge, you have to have it in black and white clearly stated.

So where does it written black and white that people can marry more than one wife? If not your own assumption that some people married more than one wife.

almost all the prophets practice polygamy and Jesus even for once did not condemn it.

Thank Yahweh again that you used ALMOST but NOT ALL.

Lemme give you this Bible Study assignment: find out the circumstances that surrounded marrying more than one wife by those prophets and the message God was using it to pass to us.

But Jesus can allude to the same golden rule God laid down when He was addressing an issue related to marriage.

Thank you.

Bitte Schön!

Please i lost your phone No. you can flash me if u have mine or post it here.

I'm sorry I don't have yours either but this is mine 08126378332

Remain bless.

mahdino:
Brother, you have not proved your point.

Very funny after reading below statement of yours.

The fact you are saying that [size=14pt]God said a man and woman[/size] should come together and be one does not mean that marrying more than one is forbidden in the Bible

Just listing to yourself, you agree that God said: A MAN and WOMAN-(both singular) but you can still conclude that marrying more than ONE is not prohibited.

Why not plural?

This is the first part of the code and it's working fine when I run it (I mean the first SELECT BOX [for makes] works perfect).

<?php
$makes = array('Acura', 'BMW', 'Lexus', 'Toyota', 'Honda');

if(isset($_POST['submit']))
{ echo '<pre>'; print_r($_POST); echo '</pre>'; }
?>
<form action="" method="post">
<select id="makes" name="makes"><!-- Make sure to give the select box a id, this will make it much easier to target with jquery. -->
<?php
foreach($makes as $m){ echo '<option value="'.$m.'">'.$m.'</option>'; }
?>
</select>
<select id="models" name="models"><!-- Make sure to give the select box a id, this will make it much easier to target with jquery. -->
</select>
<input type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit">
</form>

BUT The Second SELECT BOX [for model] didn't work at all

This is the AJAX code:

<script>
$('#makes').change(function(){
var make = $(this).val();
$.post('select-request.php', {make:make}, function(data){
$('#models').html(data);
});
});
</script>

And this is the select-request.php

<?php
error_reporting(E_ALL);

$acura = array('Integra', 'TSX', 'MDX');
$bmw = array('1 Series', '3 Series', '5 Series', 'X5');
$lexus = array('ES300', 'GX470', 'GS350', 'LS400H');
$toyota = array('Venza', 'Camry', 'Corolla', 'Echo');
$honda = array('Pilot', 'Accord', 'Civic', 'Ridgeline');

if(isset($_POST['make']))
{
$model = strtolower($_POST['make']);

foreach($$model as $mo){ echo '<option value="'.$mo.'">'.$mo.'</option>'; }
}


?>

Please will the javascript/script tag be outside or inside of the FORM TAG?
What can I add to achieve what I want?

Thanks!