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dolphinheart:
If that question is for me, the answer is no.


If you feel the booklet helps you, use it. As long as it helps you to explain ur view of trinity or it counters my own post on my view of trinity.

Shalom then!

Jessicha:
My question is : If the bolded statement refer to three (3) persons , how can you use the word "ONLY" which refer to a sole person to describe 3 persons ?

You supposed to add ONE to it.

How can a Jehovah witness deal with all these statements?

1. "Unlike any other human, Jesus lived in heaven as a spirit person before he was born on earth...and is therefore appropriately called God." (Good news from God, Chapter 4-who is Jesus Christ, pg

2. "We are...spirits living in a body of flesh...part of us survives death." (Iblis, Chapter 6-what hope is there for the dead? pg 12)

3. "The Bible states that...God created the universe in six literal 24-hour days" (Awake March, 2014 pg 5)

4. "For centuries the churches propagated the doctrine of the trinity,...the Father and the Son are part of the same entity" (Watchtower, June 2015 pg 15)

Could it be that the organization is about to change their stand?

Feel free to say your mind...

@dolphinheart

I've read it now?

Like I said the booklet has a lot to do with the issue at hand, that's why I want you to read it because by the time I start making reference to it, it won't be strange to you.

My view on Trinity is the general view held by all true Christian in the world.

There's ONLY ONE TRUE GOD which scripture reveals in the person of The Father, The Son and The Holy spirit.

So I'll reply your post when you're ready.

I just need Yes or No!

Less I forget, mention the scripture you're going to use for me I will use any of this KJV, NIV, NASB, YLT, NLT, CJB, ESV, NKJV, ERV, EXB, GW, ISV, PHILIP, TLB, NIRV, NLV, OJB

dolphinheart:
Sometimes I find it hard to understand why you are quick to jump into conclusions concerning me. I asked you simple questions concerning the promise you said I made. You did not answer on that one.

I made simple, honest remark as to the supposed promise, if its true that I made such promise, let me see it! , I will apologise for my mistakes and try to make amends. I'm not perfect .

These simple request I make and you decided to accuse me!
This is not a fight where we will be looking for a winner, dnt try to bring me down, let's use the scriptures to discuss.

Wonderful, so you think I'm accusing you!
But the point I'm raising here is cleared, it means you only type and type without key in into what you said.

Anyway I don't have time to search for that but if you're truly key in to whatever you type, you suppose to remember immediately I said it.

Bro, are we here to discuss what an organization says or our beliefs concerning trinity,

Both! Simply because it's the same organization's doctrine you're following and even using their Bible version.

using the scriptures as main guide.

So how English Bible versions do you accept their TOTAL TRANSLATION apart from NWT? And you're claiming to be using scripture as main guide.

Tell me ur view on trinity and ill tell you mine, and we will use the scripture as guide.

This is where the problem lies, how can you prove Trinity from NWT when it has corrupted the true meaning of it? According to the Greek scripture The Father is God, The Son is God and The Holyspirit is God that is the testimony of Greek scripture.

If you have issues with any organization, get in touch with them! Not me. They have an address, a location where all ur issues can be pursued by you and addressed.

Like I always say I don't have problem with any organization but with the kingdom of darkness that hold the truth in lies.
You own is to prove me wrong here that you're not following the doctrine and using their Bible.

As to the booklet, I've not read it!

I've given you the link so you can do that mind you, there's no comment by anybody against the booklet on that same page just the scan of the booklet.

But pls tell, has the authors of the book changed their views on trinity?

They haven't but an author who can lie in his/her writing and withhold vital information from his/her reader, shouldn't be taken serious and shows the source of his/her inspiration because God can't lie or inspire lie.

Why don't they publish the book any longer?

This is why you need to read the booklet and see for yourself how they lied about early Christian teachers and misinformed the readers on Trinity believe.

It was as a result of people commentary on the booklet that made them to stop the publication and the removal from their online library.

If the booklet actually speaks the mind of God, why the removal and end of publication?

I brought the issue here because this thread is about Trinity.

I know you'll reply this post but I won't reply you until you tell me you've read it, so that we can start properly.

dolphinheart:
Did I promise I will get the booklet? I can't remember making such promise. But if I really did, pls remind me where and when and ill apologise for my error.

As to the question, the answer is "no".

That means you're not a man of your word!
Or you discovered that the link is not in support of watchtower society and you decided to silent the issue.

I vividly remember I gave you the link where you can get it because your organization has removed the booklet in their online library and stopped the publication.

This is the link again: http://thesnarkyapologist..com/2013/02/should-you-believe-in-trinity-booklet.html

plappville:
Is this how God wants it? Or how man wants it?

Are you telling me that you FULLY KNOW who the Father and the Son is?

dolphinheart:
What is trinity? . I can bet some of ur views might be different!

You promised me sometimes ago that you will get the booklet published by Watchtower Society title "Should you believe in Trinity?" Have you gotten the booklet?

SenseiX:
In one of the first concrete plans on economic direction of Africa's biggest economy, new VP says stimulating the economy, and not cut backs the key.
NIGERIA plans to create a $25 billion fund with public and private financing to modernise infrastructure and avoid a recession, Vice President Yemi Osinbajo said.

The halving of oil prices since last year has forced Nigeria, Africa’s largest producer of crude, to slash its budget and contributed to a weaker currency. Standard & Poor’s downgraded its credit rating, while JPMorgan Chase & Co. removed Nigeria from its local-currency emerging market indexes.

“We think that the way out of this, what some have described as an impending recession, is actually to spend rather than to cut back in any way,” Osinbajo, 58, said in an interview on Tuesday in the capital, Abuja.

Economic growth slowed to 2.35% in the second quarter of 2015, according to Nigeria’s national statistics agency, the lowest this decade, as falling income from crude exports and foreign-exchange shortages hit businesses. The nation relies on oil for about two-thirds of government spending and 90% of its export income.
Osinbajo was a lawyer in the commercial capital, Lagos, until his surprise inclusion as the running mate of former military ruler Muhammadu Buhari on the ticket of the opposition All Progressives Congress party. They took office in May after defeating the incumbent, Goodluck Jonathan, and his Peoples Democratic Party in the first democratic handover of power from one party to another in Africa’s most populous nation.

The Buhari administration plans to target investment toward improving a power supply system that leaves tens of millions of households without grid electricity for hours each day, as well as modernising roads, rail transportation and agriculture, Osinbajo said.

‘Bankable projects’
Boosting agricultural output in a fertile nation that has become one of the world’s biggest importers of rice will both save foreign-exchange outlays and create jobs. The government is looking to make the West African country self-sufficient in rice production in about 24 months, he said.

“A lot of those projects will be bankable projects, because we’re looking at projects that will interest private sector investors as well, but they are strategic for us,” Osinbajo said.

In the face of declining oil revenue, central bank Governor Godwin Emefiele has resisted pressure from investors and fellow policy makers to devalue the naira. Instead, he imposed exchange-rate controls in February that Osinbajo described as “largely successful” and “inevitable in the short term” in an effort to stem the outflow of reserves.

Reserves have dropped to about $30 billion, down from almost $40 billion a year ago, while the naira has weakened about 8% against the dollar since the start of the year.

Osinbajo said he understands that portfolio investors aren’t pleased about the trading restrictions on the currency, which have led to a slowdown in capital market inflows.

The government is “mindful that we maintain foreign- exchange reserves so at least that we are able to keep investor confidence high, especially direct investment,” he said.
http://m.mgafrica.com/article/2015-10-21-nigeria-plans-to-beat-impending-recession-by-spending-a-25-billion-war-chest-is-on-the-cards
Cc lalasticlala

If this is true I say a big congratulations to we Engineers because no existing Construction companies will be idle for the next 8-10years and this also will give birth to a new construction companies.

Can't wait to see Nigeria competing with other developed states in infrastructure.

"Infrastructure determines the growth of a nation"

Goshen360:
First, as a believer\Christian, you should know better that sleeping with another man\woman('s) spouse is a no go area for you so that is out of the point but what about other sins, little or big? There's a huge difference between the old covenant and the new.

Sin is sin, formication does not in any way different from lying.

The question we can ask ourselves is, can Holyspirit dwell in a life where sin(s) reign?

Under the old, David begged God or prayed that God should not take His Spirit from him - Psalm 51:11. In the new covenant which is a better covenant, God said, never will it happen that He will leave nor forsake us - Hebrews 13:5 and by Paul, the Apostle, God revealed to us that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit - Ephesians 1:13.

I can see how you misunderstood how God works with people in the scripture.

Things to know:
1. In the Old Testament God ONLY channels His HOLYSPIRIT to perform some specific tasks through some CHOSEN people that's why you can't see a whole congregation in the OT operating under the power of the Holy spirit.

2. In the New Testament God has freely pour out His Spirit UPON ALL FLESH which means The Spirit isn't working selectively by choosing some categories of people but ready to dwell with anybody who does His will.

Take note as this will help us in answering your questions.

So the question is,
1- Will a Christian loose the indwell of the Holy Spirit if or when they sin?

The word 'HOLY' that precedes His name denotes the main attribute of The Spirit and sin in other hand is anything that defiled the body or make it unholy. So if a Christian indulges in sin both Holy spirit and sin can't stay in the place. One must stay!

2 - Is the prayer of David in Psalm 51v11 still valid under the new covenant in the blood of Christ?

David's prayer does not bond by any covenant (but operational mode of Holy spirit defers in the two covenants) what the prayer simply means is that God since You've chosen to allow Your Spirit to work through me, please don't let me do any act contrary to Your will that'll make Him depart from me.

If you're not doing the will of the Holy spirit, He will leave you which can be said that God has taken His Spirit from you or the Spirit of God has departed from you.

But that doesn't mean the Spirit can't come back again.

Boomark:
Please answer these questions honestly.

But you're dishonest in asking this question.

1. Do you agree that Jesus is a Messenger of God? E.g. "'Behold, I send My messenger,... And the Lord, whom you seek,... the Messenger of the covenant,... says the LORD of hosts" (full details at Malachi 3:1). Rev 1:1, God gave him a message to deliver to us of things to come(this is true no matter who finally deliver the message to us).

The messenger here is talking about John the Baptist not Jesus Christ.

Is John the Baptist an Angel?

Let me start with this:
Who is talking in this verse? It's Yahweh!
Then notice the wording "...my messenger, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME..."

Here the Speaker said the messenger will prepare the way for HIM not for another person.

Then who did John prepare way for? Jesus Christ! Going with this verse, Yahweh has come in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ fulfilling this promise.

2. Do you agree that Angels are messengers of God?

Yes! But being a messenger of God does not make all the messengers of God an Angel.

Some human being are also God's messengers.

3. Do you agree that in 1 and 2, Jesus and the Angels are messengers of God, doing similar work for God at different levels?

Let me answer this with this statement.

What is delusion?
Delusion is to believe that Jehovah FIRST CREATED Jesus Christ EVEN WHEN HEAVEN and ALL ITS Hosts are not yet created and Jesus Christ who enjoyed millions of years with His Father before heaven itself where ANGELS dwell was created later used to create ALL THE ANGELS (which Michael was actually included) and can still be part of what He Himself created.

Lastly, do you believe that Jesus Christ in His prehuman was created before heaven itself?

Let me give you clue so that you'll know where I'm going.
All creations by default need SPACE to occupy that's why God has to create Heaven for Angels to dwell and Earth for man and only God occupies/dwells in ETERNITY.

apprentist:
Going back to my Father's House and Mummy's Pot after my service Year.

Sincerely, I've never stopped giving this a thought since I left home for service.
I have huge plans for my service year- Things I look forward to achieve, degrees, skills, contacts and so on. But above all, I look forward to starting life after my service year.
Now, this decision as we all know isn't one that comes on a platter. My reason for saying this goes thus:
1. To afford an apartment will require rentage and maintenance,
2. I'll have to earn to survive,
3. The Societal system doesn't trow jobs at your lap imidiately after service. Just to mention a few.

Some of you here on NL have been through this stage of life already and gracefully sufficed through.
What was your experience like and how did you finally get on your feet?
Do you subscribe to going back to my parent's after service?
Did you have to stay at your parent's while starting life outside?
What were the things you did during your service year that helped you in this area at the long run?

Opinions and Experiances would be grately appreciated.

I use my own case a point of contact to your own as I pray that you'll have a similar testimony like me.

I finished service and I stayed less than two months under my parent.

Does thou believe?

TK0907:
I'm a graduate that completed my NYSC by july and at the end of my service, all the cash i could save was N50,000 and i have tried getting a job but all to no avail after the service and i have tried to keep this money in my account but i don't have an idea of any little business that i can start with this small amount and i'm tired of staying at home. I need an advice please.

I don't know maybe this have been said, so in case nobody has said anything about it, you can make use of it.

Gas business is a type of business that needs little capital to run and zero experience to achieve.

How to start?
1. Get empty 50kg cylinder I don't know your area but no matter what it can't cost more than N20k.

2. Fill the 50kg at Gas station at rate of N10-N12k (Talk to them at the station that you want to use it for business not personal use if not they will give you retail price)

With this you still have over N15k left

3. Buy the small empty cylinder of 5kg & 6kg for start.
no matter your area it can't cost more than N4k for 5kg & N5k for 6kg (NOTE: this price is with the GAS BURNER without the burner is lesser)

You can start with 2 of 5kg & 1 of 6kg

Once all these are in place, your business begins.
Simply start REFILLING people's empty cylinder and selling Gas cylinder.


The gain
Take for instance the 5kg the refilling is N1500 and if you're to sell empty and also refill it it's nothing less than N6500 if you're lucky you can sell it above this. (Don't let this gain enter your eyes)

Note: you don't need to rent a shop just start in front of your compound.

If you need any further info on this you can, let me know.

Rilwayne001:
Seriously bro, I am still in my early 20. Neither married nor planning to get married soon—maybe in 6years time though.

But should Zahra accept my proposal today, then I am getting married to her tomorrow

Ok even though you're still single that doesn't mean you should be dragging Aisha sorry Zahra with me nah Rillllyyy please

MizJanet:


Point 1 : the original sin is so baseless that it did not prevent David from making heaven , right ? You are actually mocking youselfs.

Point 2 : David achieve eternal life in heaven without Jesus dying for his sin ? Ooops ! That automatically render Jesus sacrifice useless .

Churchman , see how Your answer mock the death of jesus again .

Unchurchwoman, it's so funny how you'll raise question by yourself, answer it by yourself and still conclude it by yourself.

bible said : ' because of one man , ALL have sinned' - Romans 5:12 , it further describes it has been " SOLD under sin " says Roman 7:14 .

To release man from the grip of sin , bible further said : God " sent his son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins" - 1joh 4:10

Yet David made heaven without the sacrifice made for his sin , right ?

The anti-type sacrificial lamb started the very day Adam's sinned by God Himself in the Garden of Eden.
For your information, The Word of God (which came to earth as the true type and was given the name Jesus Christ) has been in action from ages even before David was born. that's why Jesus is THE way..., and THE life no ONE comes to the Father without passing through Him.

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Heb 10:14
I know this will be too hard for you to grab

I don't need to waste time on this or lengthen my word again since I've dealt with this in my previous post since you've decided to boycott it and address this. So I'm only here to refresh the key point which you and I have actually agreed with and how you keep contradict yourself.

You agree that if Adam hadn't sinned he won't have DIED (which means Adam will continue in his state of PURITY forever WITHOUT EXPERIENCE DEATH in his life NEITHER HIM COME TO EARTH)
With this in mind, we can then proceed

Repentance96:
This contains the crux of our difference. Yes, the term "original sin" means different things to different people. If it means the forgiven sin of Adam that was predestined as a pretext to have him equal to Iblis,then yes. We all are on earth because God wants to test each and one of us, and make us our own witness to our works. Adam rose above Iblis, because he repented and thus was forgiven for his sin. [size=14pt]His sin was not passed down, but the consequences were...[/size] So we the children of Adam must passed through earth and hell to Paradise. If God did not forgive Adam, then he would have destroyed Adam - but that would make it all a wasted effort. So God gave the chance for us all to prove to ourselves that we deserve everlasting life.

The emphasis is at the @bold-What are the consequence of Adam SIN that was pass down to man? This is another time I will ask this question which you keep ignoring.

NOTICE: according to the ORIGINAL SIN theory it says BOTH DEATH AND SIN ENTER MAN'S WORLD AS A RESULT OF ADAM'S SIN which means BOTH DEATH AND SIN are the consequences of Adam's sin/disobedient. This is another place you've prove theory of ORIGINAL SIN true.

But how?

By accepting God and His guidance when it comes and being in a state of submission to God. We can fall in sin, but God would purify us and forgive us. God is Most Merciful

Well what I know is this, it's not man who will tell God how to run His system it's what God wants that man will follow and God has foretold the sacrificial lamb that will take away the sin of the world by laying various anti-type of it since the very first day Adam sinned by killing an animal and used it to cover their sin TEMPORARILY and through the prophets of OLD TESTAMENT until THE SEED of the Woman will come and bruise the head of the accuser who is Satan.

This doctrine is more universal in the sense that our salvation does not hang in belief of any historical event like a crucifiction. Earth was corrupted with death and bloodshed even before Adam was created and God had to purify earth. This doctrine of salvation has remained the same throughout time, and it is not intended unfair to those who have not heard about it. God could have many earths with many intelligent creations all over the universe and not merely one earth (needing one lamb of sacrifice).

Sorry at the bold-Human sense can't direct God but God directs human senses which means we do His will not Him do our will.
How will earth corrupt, who are the people who corrupted it, does animal responsible for their action?
These are the questions that beg for answers

If animal does not responsible for their action, why will you attach CORRUPTION and BLOODSHED to animal's action?

It's true that we have inherited our DNA from our parents but where have we got our souls/spirit?

"O mankind! Be conscious of your Lord, who has created you from one soul (Adam), and out of it created its mate (Eve), and out of the two spread many men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand [your rights] from one another, and of these ties of kinship. Verily, God is ever watchful over you!" (Quran 4:1)

Has this being tainted? No.

"When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Adam their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves: ‘Am I not your Lord?’. They said, ‘Yes, we do testify.’ This lest you should say on the Day of Judgement: ‘We were not aware of this.’ "
(Al A’raaf :272)

There's a hadith to make this explicitly clear:


The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?"
(Bukhari and Muslim).

Where does soul/spirit reside if not the body that the DNA form?
Whether you like it or not we ALL inherited TAINTED NATURE from Adam because YOUR SOUL/SPIRIT can't function alone on earth.
You've confirmed ORIGINAL SIN again here.

Our natures are all pure and in fact comes from that of God, like an image.

"Then He fashioned him and breathed into him from His ruh; and He gave you (the faculties) of hearing, sight, and feeling. Little thanks you give." (As-Sajdah 32:9)

"When I have fashioned him and breathed into him from My ruh" (Al-Hijr 15:29)

Sorry the DNA will inherited is OUR TRUE NATURE because it's the thing that makes us HUMAN, so it's not pure.

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The last part I want to address is your misuse of the word 'PREDESTINATE'
For your information PREDESTINATE does not mean God PURPOSELY created death and suffering but as a God He knew end from the beginning that's He knows how the whole things will run because I see you making this mistake that's why you thing MAN IS PURPOSELY CREATED to die.

I know because it's me who said this you won't take it but here is a support of my point from your own scholar Ibn Kathir you quoted earlier.
"Could it be said that Adam and the rest of mankind were predestined to sin and to be expelled from Paradise and sent to the earth? In fact, this fiction is as naive as the first one.
Adam complete free will, and he bore the consequences of his deed. He disobeyed by eating of the forbidden tree, so Allah dismissed him from Paradise. His disobedience does not negate his freedom. On the contrary it is a consequence of it.
The truth of the matter is that Allah knew what was going to happen, as He always know the outcome of events before they take place."

Shalom!

Rilwayne001:
LWKMD

https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-07/15/10/enhanced/webdr06/mobile-15077-1436971691-5.jpg

See this chief So you sef dey eye Zahra? loool.

FYI bro, I am still single..

SINGLE you baba ibeji

Please don't let the issue of Zahra cause us gbege you know I'm your brother

Rilwayne001:
LWKMD.. And who is a brick layer??

After how many wives And you're still eying the only woman who can make me convert to Islam

Teyonie:
I was surprised and sad when I checked his phone and realised that he doesn't keep my text messages even the ones he sends to me but he kept one other one from another lady, what could this mean please? I'm anticipating your opinions o cos I don't want to react wrongly. Thanks.

Eyah it's like both of us are facing the same situation currently since over 90% comments show that you're his side chick or is it chicken and it shows that we're compatible.

But hope the big bros never entered the place

paulGrundy:


You are most probably right, I sent a copy of the letter to paul Grundy via e-mail. Funny thing is that his sources had given him a real life copy of the letter months ago. I guess he's working on it.

Really!!!

I'll like to have the copy of the letter

MizJanet:


See public disgrace , David make heaven without Jesus !!!
Point 1 : Okay , Inherited Sin is so useless that it couldnt prevent David from making heaven . You prove that right !

Point 2 : Your answer further Make Jesus Death Useless: so David made heaven without Jesus dying for his inherited original sin ?

Take it easy ma, life is too short.
I know you're only here to mock but I'm doing this for people to grab something.

Let me start by asking you, how do you understand the phrase INHERITED/ORIGINAL SIN as Christian believed?

Maybe we can start from there...

Rilwayne001:
King David is even good, Abel that was killed by Cain in Genesis, is he is heaven or hell since he also according to Emusan inherited this original sin from Adam?

I knew you read the conversation between your brother and I where I've explained what ORIGINAL SIN simply means.

Firstly, the phrase ORIGINAL SIN never appeared in the Holy Scripture but it's a theological word to describe the consequence of what man is passing through today just because of what Adam lost which is HIS UNCORRUPTED NATURE.

Secondly, since we're in the body of Adam when Adam's nature got polluted that's prone to sin and death, that's why MAN DIED TODAY AND CAN SIN.

Thirdly, even your brother agreed that had it been that Adam didn't sin he wouldn't have experienced DEATH and continue to live in Paradise. Now man KNOWS DEATH because Adam sinned.

Lastly, when Adam sinned God provided a way out for man which I may elaborate more as we go on.

MizJanet:
keep it coming , I know you are scared . ( in relation to the Christian original sin . ) Where did King David go when he died ?

Imaging I'm scared...you must be god to know that
For your question, King David is in heaven.
Note: If you switch back to your childish life I'll end the conversation.

MizJanet:
religion is bullshit . Black pot calling kettle black ; @ Emusan , what made you think your own christianity is right ? Let me test your IQ .

The christian tag is " Heaven or Hell " ... Lets address this in relation to the original sin .

Question: where did King David go when he died ? Heaven or hellfire .

I ) if u say hellfire ? Serious Lol , that means your god is a monster that will even torture those who serve him . Yagga ! bullshit

Ii ) and if you say heaven , that means David achieve eternal life in heaven without Jesus dying for his INHERITED Original sin ? Oh ! Yeah , then you just prove that Jesus didnt die for anyone , his death is useless and baseless , so far humans make heaven without him .
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Let me know the option you choose .

I reply you because I was the one who created the thread but if you truly want me to address your question.

Then you must repost it and ask in a mature way not as a kid.

paulGrundy:
Am interested in the new release -"what Should the bible really teach".
Alert me when they start publishing it.

It's like change of doctrine is coming again.
I must get this letter

JMAN05:
Sister kindly remove this letter from this forum. U made a big mistake by posting this letter here.

Meanwhile, we can speak thru mail.

Why must she remove it?

Kai I must get this latest letter by fire by force

An open minded person following this can see that you're only bringing your Islamic doctrine here not not that you're addressing my points.
NOTE: None of my questions you've ever addressed here, you just keep jumping up and down without meaningful point.

If you didn't address any of my question this time around, forget about me replying you.

Repentance96:
Paul's teachings and writings contradict the rest of the Gospels. Some Christians are now accepting the fact that there appears to be two Gospels in reality - one for the Jew and one for the Gentiles. The writings of this "saint" contradicts itself at a few places which explains such a big spectrum of views regarding the innermost features of Christian theology (Original Sin or none? Calvism true or false? Israel was replaced or not? Etc)

Thank God you say SOME CHRISTIANS (and you can't tell me here that ALL MUSLIMS AGREE WITH THE TEACHING OF THE QURAN, no fractions), but which ever way the teaching of Apostle Paul never contradicts itself, Jesus' Message nor the other Apostles. I believe that's just Muslims excuse to deny the inspired word of God through Paul.

The teachings of the last and final Messenger does not self-contradict. No one claims that it doesn't contradict the Bible of today. No one claims that the Teacher of the Messenger is the Messiah.

Lol...But you first accused Paul not meeting The Messiah in person, so when I brought how Muhammad met people Like Moses and Jesus and his teaching still contradicted theirs you have to change your mouth by claiming Muhammad message never self contradictory, well will you ever claim that it self contradictory before?

[size=14pt]Adam purified his nature and God accepted His repentance.[/size] Even if Adam passed away with a "tainted nature" that does not mean his children will be born with a similar nature. 1) God does not create souls that are tainted in their origin with sin 2) God does not allow the son to carry the burden of his father (that is terrible injustice).

Just listing to yourself, Adam purified his NATURE. How does Adam do that? Does Adam have power of his nature?
Again, if it does not mean that HIS CHILDREN are born with SIMILAR NATURE, where does every human being derive their NATURE?
It's too obvious that you have shallow knowledge about this issue because after I explained the meaning of DEATH you can still come up with this.

Very funny, God does not allow the son to carry the burden of his father yet you can say below that [size=14pt]"but we might inherit the consequences of it"[/size] why must you inherit anything at all if son can't carry the burden of his father? Confuse theology!

We don't inherit Sin or kufr, [size=14pt]but we might inherit the consequences of it.[/size] We are on earth but when we born here we were born in the purest of the pure nature. A baby can die not because of sin, but because of God's will. This baby will not necessarily end up in hell.

The @bold is one of the reason I said you have shallow knowledge at the issue at hand.
So what are the CONSEQUENCE OF SIN THAT CAN BE INHERITED? Please don't boycott this one again...
Scientifically proving A MAN WILL DONATE SOMETHING AND THE WOMAN WILL DONATE SOMETHING before a baby NATURE can form, which means EVERY BORN BABY DERIVED THEIR NATURE FROM THEIR PARENT that's why MAN ONLY HAS ONE NATURE.

I can see that you still lack the in-depth understanding of the word 'SIN' like I explained earlier.
Let me help your understanding small which you have also agreed with below.
1. NOBODY WOULD HAVE DIED IF ADAM HAD NOT SINNED
2. NOBODY WOULD HAVE KNOWN SIN if Adam HAD NOT SINNED at first
3. ALL HUMAN DERIVED THEIR NATURE from the TAINTED NATURE OF ADAM, that's why your Quran itself can talk of ADAM'S DESCENDANT (NOT NEW DESCENDANT) which means WE ALL COME FROM ADAM.
So if Adam and Eve did not sin we wouldn't have known sin, if Adam and Eve continue in their PURE state in paradise ALL HIS DESCENDANT will continue to live in paradise without passing through DEATH.
The Soul of a new born baby can be created pure by Allah but HIS NATURE which is from Adam is already tainted that is tartar with sin.

[size=14pt]If they didn't sin then they would have been in Paradise without death,[/size] until the Day of Judgement where everyone will taste death before being recreated.

Thank you for that @bold
But notice the @underline, it's evident that MAN WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN DEATH if Adam didn't sin.
I'm so happy that you're the one confirming ORIGINAL SIN here.
Original sin simply means DEATH AND SIN was brought upon ALL THROUGH THE FIRST MAN ADAM. if you don't want to called it ORIGINAL SIN you can call it what you like but it's evident that ADAM BROUGHT DEATH AND SIN UPON MAN.
NOTE: Apostle Paul himself never used the phrase 'ORIGINAL SIN' but simply make it known that the DISOBEDIENT OF ADAM caused the suffering and death upon man today just as you agreed that Adam wouldn't have DIED if he didn't leave paradise.

Lastly, you can see the reason why I said Islam theology is too shallow, you talk about EVERYONE BEING RECREATED now but what Muhammad believed was RESURRECTION, are the two words the same?

You seem to think of death as a punishment. It is not necessarily a punishment. Animals have died even before man was placed on earth. Angels will taste death before being reborn in the Day of Judgement when this whole world is transformed.

This is another ridiculous statement or should I call it weak theology?
If death is not a punishment, was Allah planned death for Adam and Eve in the garden? Since Adam wouldn't have died if he remained in the garden it's obvious that DEATH MUST HAVE COME as result of disobedient which is part of what they wouldn't have experienced in the garden.

Science itself has debunked the claim that death entered the world only when Adam sinned.

And this Scientist believed that Adam exist, right?

You seem to love arguing don't you?

And it seems you hate argument, don't you?

No I haven't. All the Prophets had or will taste death on earth and then when the Trumpets sounds. This world will be transferred into a new world. This is not because of sin, but simply a transformation. Death occurs to everyone who is not God the Eternal the Absolute.

Jesus will die. Not because he is born of sin, but simply because he is not God.

You've not cleared your first lie here
According to Islam as you said here "The Quran repeats the fact that every soul will taste death. [size=14pt]At the point of division everything (everyone plus everything - all the earths and all the heavens) will be destroyed and only God shall remain.[/size] Then the Resurrection, and Judgment."

ALL THE EARTHS AND THE HEAVENS (plural) will be DESTROYED and ONLY GOD will remain which means everything will be back to ETERNITY when it was ONLY GOD.
For you to claim RESURRECTION here again is ridiculous RECREATION IS DIFFERENT FROM RESURRECTION.
So what Allah will do according to your theology is RECREATION not resurrection which is against Quranic teaching.

Islam Isa will die but not Jesus the one who created the Universe the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

No, death is not a punishment. Satan will also die plus be resurrected to be tortured for eternity in hell.

This your theology lacks common sense, why will Allah kill people including Angels that know no sin only to RESURRECT THEM BACK to live and throw some of them again to hell.
Like I said before, DEATH IS A PUNISHMENT for Adam's disobedient. That's the fact.

[b]The QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK YOU NOW WHICH I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO IGNORE ARE THESE, [size=14pt]1. WHY MUST THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT COME?
2. Do you think if Satan had not sinned or creations aren't being polluted with SIN, Allah will still judge people or talk about judgement day?
3. How does the phrase JUDGEMENT DAY come into use, is it because Allah Just want to destroy everything he had created without blemish or because of sin (disobedient)?[/size]

So Jesus died for our sins? OK, so what must I do now? [size=14pt]I'm I free to sin for sin is no more?[/size] If I should believe in this crucifiction to obtain the license to sin, then isn't it unfair to the aborigines in the middle of the Amazons of this earth who have not heard of this lamb of sacrifie? How could God be the creator of injustice?

Your problem is simple comprehension.
As I've explained on DEATH before, the second death means TOTAL SEPARATION FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD and this is caused because of the TAINTED NATURE WE DERIVED FROM ADAM THROUGH HIS SIN. Which is the one Jesus came to replace by GIVING A NEW NATURE.
We all derived PHYSICAL TAINTED NATURE FROM the first Adam but a NEW NATURE through the second Adam.

So the other aspect of SIN which is what flows from Satan i.e Murder, stealing, immorality, lying e.t.c are still in the world today.

Now this is the logic behind it, God has replaced the NATURE Adam lost in the past through Jesus Christ (NOTE: this TAINTED NATURE is what that make Adam lost the paradise i.e benefit of staying in the PRESENCE of God). So Jesus had broken that veil an open the Gate BACK TO THE PRESENCE of God for MAN.

Both Death and Alive will surely heard about Jesus Christ so don't say it's injustice.

We are ALL born with pure natures. How dare you think of new born babies as being born in sin? Furthermore what about those people before Christ? Those who have not heard of Christ?

We are ALL PARTAKER OF THAT ADAMIC TAINTED NATURE we are not born with PURE NATURE, so no human has is PERSONAL NATURE which will make the person different from other people, the nature of animal, Jinn, Angels are different from man, MAN HAS ONLY ONE NATURE AND THIS NATURE CAME FROM THE ONE OF THAT TAINTED MAN, ADAM.

Everyone born before Christ shared the same tainted nature babies do also that's why MAN DIE. Had it been that the NATURE OF ADAM wasn't tainted nobody will ever die. Everybody both death and alive will hear about Jesus.

Pauline Philosophy is a monstrously unjust,and I marvel at you for ignoring the injustice of the God of St Paul.

And your Islamic philosophy is awkward.
You called it injustice but can still refer to Paul as SAINT, anyway the God of Paul is the Father of Jesus Christ, the one who created Adam and Eve, and the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.

I don't seem to understand what you're asking here, sorry.

It's better you do because your lies are just too much.
This is your statement: "He might have known that Adam and Eve will equal him in sin when he set out to [/u]seduce them into sin.[/u]

And my respond to this lie was centered at the @underline by asking you was the statement made when Satan went to seduce them or when he didn't bow for Adam

Allah doesn't need to answer that and neither do I.
Think more deeply and you'll see why.

So I should think on what Allah didn't say neither you, so I should think on NOTHING.

No, you should listen to the entire thing.

Post it here I can't listen to what I can't respond to.

You're welcome. May God guide you too away from Christianity into the light of the faith of Abraham, whose belief was simple.

Delusion and you think I praise you here, smh...
God has already guided me by revealing Himself to me it's you God needs to guide away from your darkness into the Light of His Gospel in the face of Jesus Christ.

I killed an ant. Does that mean that ant died because of sin? Come on, use your God given sense of reason.

If Adam didn't sin you won't see ant to kill, true or false or there's ant in paradise?
I'm using it, but do me a favor by putting your own God's given sense into use always.

Do you agree with me that some Christians don't believe in Original Sin and that Christians differ as to the definition?

Do you also agree with me that some Christians don't believe in the virgin birth and that Muslims also differ in doctrine?
Using this as a yard stick belittle common sense.

Adam led us out of Paradise but we don't inherit his nature

But you come from Adam's body.

we have our own natures which is pure in our birth.

Pure lie if you have your own nature that means you're not human because ALL HUMAN BEING DERIVED THEIR NATURE THROUGH ADAM.

To return back to Paradise, we don't need a lamb of sacrifice. We only need to accept God, and be in a continual state of repentance. See how this belief differs widely to the mainstream understanding of Original Sin

And by accepting God and being in continual state of repentance, can you boldly say with 100% assurance that YOU HAVE PLEASED GOD 100% totally throughout your life?
Original sin still stands, we know death and sin through Adam's disobedient. FACT!

No, shared?

According to your version of Christianity what is the fate of Adam?

YES, WE ALL SHARED ADAMIC NATURE and that's what make us a human.
The fate of Adam lies in Jesus' hands. I know you'll still confuse but only if you know that Jesus Christ predated His life on earth and since no MAN (including Muhammad) can come to the Father except through Jesus.

Do they bring up scriptural evidence as in the case of Original Sin?

No! They always support it with Quran and Hadith

There is a difference in opinion regarding this, I believe but I take the view that Adam was informed that he was forgiven only on earth.

YET you're crying me a river above when Christians differ in the topic of ORIGINAL SIN.
And any open minded person can see your lying tongue because the verse clearly stated that Allah pardoned Adam sin that's why I added verse 38 to it so that you can see that THE CONVERSATION OF PARDONING ADAM'S SIN STILL OCCUR IN PARADISE WHEN ALLAH WAS ADDRESSING THE DISOBEDIENT OF ADAM.

Look here, Adam received the words of Repentance after "then".

Lie number five, show me where you see 'THEN' in that verse.

I follow this interpretation : Here God is speaking to us all Mankind. Notice how God says us what to do and not to do. There is no need of a lamb of sacrifice to purify ourselves of sin. We should follow the guidance of God is all.

Lie number six. Like I said above, verse 36-38 show that the CONVERSATION WAS STILL IN PARADISE with a solid support from verse 38 "We said: "Get down all of you from this place (the Paradise),..."

Another point here is that if you believed that Allah is addressing MANKIND here it means you've short yourself in the legs because it will simply means that Allah has already picture the whole HUMAN RACE IN THE BODY OF ADAM and it was this SINFUL/TAINTED/POLLUTED nature of Adam which is prone to SIN that will cause some people to listen to Satan or Allah.