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vedaxcool:Performing woefully in what way? Because he bothered not to reply after he had made his points clear but you jumped in only to boycott those points and attack straw man. My point is clear, you "some Christians are now denying the birth of Jesus Christ THESE DAY" And my emphasis is on THESE DAY, so go back and read that portion again. [size=14pt]every human existed in heaven before they were born on earth,[/size]@bold parts-that means every human is DIVINE, or you will tell us also that EVERY HUMAN IS THE WORD OF ALLAH. By the way the verse you quoted never supported you claim because the verse says "FROM CHILDREN ADAM...ALL THEIR DESCENDANTS" this means that ALL HUMAN ARE ALREADY IN THE ONE BODY OF ADAM by the way Allah had cast Adam to the earth (according to Muslims understanding) after his disobedient so it was the body of Adam on earth that ALL HIS DESCENDANT came from NOT IN HEAVEN again. They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" 17:85Imaging using the allege verse of how Muhammad confused Holy Spirit with Jibril who brought him message to support EVERY SOUL EXISTS by Allah's command belittle your Islamic understanding. Yet you'll be acting as a scholar! Whereas this is the same verse Muslim scholars always use to explain away the contradiction of who brought the Quran, Jibril or Holyspirit? I feel sorry for you, you seemed pained over something I don't know and in addition like your boy you ignore an entire verse and fixate on just few words, christ is not more than a messenger of Allah, and he is above begetting sons, his conception and birth is a miracle and sign for mankind not a cheque book for blasphemy and arrogance.Lol...feel pained for what? That you can see Christ is no more that messenger but see that Christ is the WORD OF ALLAH and A SPIRIT from Allah and PURPOSELY IGNORED them ![]() By the way you haven't explained how Quran is THE WORD of Allah and is uncreated and Jesus who is also THE WORD of Allah is now created. The Qur'an isn't the bible where [size=14pt]prophets of God commit adultery etc,[/size] Like I stated there is no sin any prophet committed, infact we believe there were protected from the devil's influenceI can't stop laughing...so what SINS Allah always tell Muhammad to ask forgiveness from and why will Allah forgive SINS THAT SOMEBODY didn't commit? As we can see from those verses I posted earlier. Like I said earlier, everyone can see that this is just a claim by Muslims to explain away some issue in the Quran not the evidence within the Quran and the hadith. For instance Moses was recorded to have killed, is that just a FEAR AND HUMBLE or a sin? But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell Matthew 5:22Even Jesus' critiques were dumb-folded when He raised the question Which of YOU convict me of sin? John 8:46 So, ALL OPEN-MINDED person and Jesus' critiques understood Jesus' statement but ONLY close-minded person like you fail to do so. It is narrated from Abu Huraira, he said the Messenger of Allah -may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, "If my Lord was to judge me and Ibn Maryam (Jesus) even by the amount of the shadow between these two fingers, He would have punished us without being unjust." Hilya al-Awliya 8/132. Also quoted in Kanzul 'Ummal Hadith 5905Imaging Allah will punish a JUST AND HOLY person, and still be UNJUST. But offcourse we still hold that they were sinless.You can HOLD to it but Quran and hadith are not. Jesus said father forgive them . . ., [size=14pt]why didn't he just forgive them without praying to God?[/size] oh wait, he was a messenger of God who despite christian ilogical claim about him had to resort to praying to God day in day out?This is the ignorant of the scripture we're talking about, Jesus made that statement WHILE HE WAS ON THE CROSS when the SIN of the world is ALREADY ON HIM the ONLY PERSON WHO CAN FORGIVE sin at that particular time is His Father who is sinless, while Jesus had never carried any sin He forgave people's sins and after He paid the price for the sin of the world He still forgives sin till now. Did Jesus know the day of Judgement?And this prove Bible conflicts view on Jesus NATURE, right? My point still stands, please show us how Bible conflict views on the NATURE OF Jesus Christ. For you to make that statement it's evident you know that Bible actually placed Jesus as God and man because only TWO VIEWS can conflict each other A SINGLE VIEW can't. |
dolphinheart:it Isn't an excuse! Coming from someone who insisted his only questions MUST BE ANSWERED but forgotten that sometimes he also boycotts questions throw to him. |
dolphinheart:Lame excuse, I know you can't refute those points, by the way like I said I'm not asking you to answer my questions but I only show you a snippet of your organization wrong teaching. |
vedaxcool:You said someone is dishonest but you own dishonesty can't be measured. Yes he was, unfortunately more Christians in christendom doubt this to be true these days.Many centuries even before Muhammad received his message from the so called Jibril people have denied His virgin birth so to say THESE DAYS is pure dishonesty. 5. He was the Messiah – Surah 4:171.See how you stylishly cover the main point he raised. That's why I have to bold his main point. If not because Muslims have been programmed the way they are, they believe Quran is the WORD (Kalimatuhu) of Allah-the very Allah owns personal WORD so it make it uncreated and existed in heaven but here Jesus is being referred to as BOTH THE WORD (Kalimatuhu) OF ALLAH and a SPIRIT PROCEEDING from Allah, how is Jesus then a created being? and this also means that Jesus existed before He was born on earth just as the way Quran exists in heaven before being revealed to Muhammad. 19:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."Actually is a concept every Muslims hold that In Islam all prophets CONSIDER to be sinless but the evidence within the Quran itself and the hadith prove it to be false. That's why the word CONSIDER always use and this was intentionally done by the Muslims scholars to counter a situation like this. To BE SINLESS simply means NEVER TO EVER commit any SINGLE sin but throughout Quran we see prophets ASKING FOR THE FORGIVENESS of their sin(s) i.e "Know that there is no deity but God. Implore Him to forgive your (Muhammad) sins and to forgive the true believers, men and women." S. 47:19 (N. J. Dawood's Translation) The Quran surprisingly however, rather than affirming the sinless nature of God's messengers, actually emphasizes their need for forgiveness and cleansing from impurities! A listing of the prophets and the Suras is given below to aid in illustrating this point beyond the shadow of a doubt: Adam and Eve S. 2:36; 7:22-23 Noah S. 11:45-47 Abraham S. 26:82 Moses S. 28:15-16 David S. 38:24-25 Solomon S. 38:34 Jonah S. 37:142; 21:87 Muhammad S. 4:102-107; 9:43; 40:55; 48:1-2; 80:1-10 That's why I wonder why whether honest Muslims truly know the meaning of SINLESS. Compared to some christians who unfortuntely now mock Jesus and write fictions about him.What of those Muslims who mock Muhammad and write fictions about him? Yes the same can be said of the Muhammed pbuh went to heaven and returned to earth.And then died and was buried in a grave but Jesus is still in heaven. Yes but I don't still see how these support your assertions,The reason why he used it is that THE END LIES IN JESUS' HANDS. He is coming back again to judge the world of sin. If Jesus is not greater than ALL THE PROPHETS why must He be the one to come AS A SIGN OF THE JUDGEMENT day and usher ISLAM WORLD WIDE-according to your believe (something Muhammad himself could not achieve)? The hadith is not speaking of sins but of devil disturbing babies hence making them cry, and as I have indicated children are born sinless, and whenever a muslims sins he is required to repent and Allah forgives.It's evident that Devil touches ALL THE PROPHETS including Muhammad except Jesus and His mother and you can't sit down and ask yourself, why? The bible appears to a disparate cacophony of ideas about a single issues ever so conflicting views on the true nature of Jesus, hence it can not be relied upon to rightly guide man.Please show us how Bible conflict views on the NATURE OF JESUS Christ. |
dolphinheart:It's like you don't normally take into consideration the teaching of your organization before you you use Biblical reference to support your claim sometimes. From these scriptures you said "Note, those verses talked about those who are dead and who are alive." Now if these verses are talking about both the DEAD and the LIVING, let's consider some key points here. [b]1. "we also believe that when [size=14pt]Jesus returns, God will bring back with him[/size] the believers who have died." NOTE: Your organization claimed that Jesus had return in 1914 but according to this verse where are the believers God brings with Jesus at His return? 2. "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven" Please what does it mean to COME DOWN from heaven? because your organization says the return of Jesus is spiritual and not physical 3. "with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God." according to your organization Jesus return in 1914, please is there any historical record of A SHOUT and TRUMPET OF GOD? 4. "Then, together with them, [size=14pt]we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds[/size] to meet the Lord in the air." According to your organization ONLY 144,000 will make heaven and the selection of these saints has already stopped.So, Has this statement been fulfilled? If No! Then, will the 144,000 be resurrected back here on earth again? If Yes! Why your organization says these 144,000 are already ruling with Jesus in heaven? If No! Who are the people that will meet the LORD in the air again? Will this MEETING THE LORD IN THE AIR happen before Armageddon or After? If it will happen before Armageddon, why your organization never teaches MEETING THE LORD before Armageddon? If it will happen after Armageddon that means it's not everybody that will live forever on your paradise earth and your organization never says anything about that. 5. "Then we will be with the Lord forever." this statement meant for both the DEAD and the ones ALIVE who will MEET THE LORD in the AIR, please will this include the 144,000 saints who are already ruling with Jesus in heaven again or another race entirely?[/b] I'm not saying you should answer all my questions but by considering those questions with the scriptures in view we know that JWs teachings regard the end time fall out woefully and contradict the scriptures. |
OP sorry for derailing your thread! Sanuzi: First PartCan you help me on how to put all these in ONE PHP FILE? I tried it but it always returns ERROR. cc: gozmos |
Emusan:Can someone help me on how to put all these in ONE PHP FILE? I tried it but it always returns ERROR. |
Jregz: |
JMAN05:Like Watchtower Society |
JMAN05:On which DAY did Isaac wean? |
dolphinheart:If you can't show me where I agreed in my post that makes you a purported liar. What bothers me is ur search for something wrong where there is nothing wrong. We are discussing from the bible here on if enoch and elijah went to heaven during their time (before jesus came to earth) and not on if they will ever go to heaven or [size=14pt]are in heaven now.[/size]You've already derailed the thread by replying me. Now is your view but your conclusion is about JWs is right! Pls, can you show me where it is states that [size=14pt]they will live in a city?[/size] A city the pious one will build?Where did I say in my post that THE PIOUS ONE WILL BUILD ANY CITY? Failure to answer any of my question will result to what ![]() @bold-let's read Heb 11:13 & 14 together "13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, [size=14pt]embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland."[/size] NKJV The key points here are: 1. They confess that they are STRANGERS AND PILGRIMS on earth that's why, 2. They PLAINLY DECLARED that they SEEK A HOMELAND. and verse 16 told us that it was HEAVENLY COUNTRY. I will explain the meaning of NOT RECEIVING THE PROMISE as I go further with your post. You tried to link the word "city" in this verse with the view of jehovahs witnesses on their building works after armagedon. People might not see your twistings , but I see it.Lol...I'm the one twisting the scriptures now not your false organization but let's see who is actually twisting the scripture here. Firstly, you're the one who took only the word CITY out of my post Secondly, what I said is that it is God who HAD ALREADY PREPARED A CITY not the remaining JWs who will survive the Armageddon [b]THAT WILL PREPARE WHERE THIS PIOUS WILL LIVE as your organization teaches. Let's read the last part of that verse 16 again FROM EVERY VERSION you used so that you can see how your organization has twisted the scripture. King James Bible "...for he (GOD) hath prepared for them a city." King James 2000 Bible "...for he (GOD) has prepared for them a city. American King James Version "..for he (GOD) has prepared for them a city." So it's evident that God is the very one who will prepared THE CITY not human being. You did not tell us about the city prepared by jehovah,what city is that ? Is it for their residence or does preparing [size=14pt]such city signify something else.[/size]And your hands are too short to post the verses here so that people can see clearly your perversion. I laugh at @bold, you know what? I know you want to shift the phrase "God being the one who will prepare the city" to a FIGURATIVE one typical JWs. But let me help you quote Heb 11:10 for more picture of it "10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God" Please who is the BUILDER OF THIS CITY? Note that also that verse did not say they will go to heaven , but that they lounged for a heavenly country.Are you saying they ONLY LOUNGE IN VAIN when they believed that they are ONLY A STRANGER and PILGRIM on earth? Did this faithful loyal servants of jehovah later go to heaven ?Let me chip in this so that you can see the harm you're causing for your organization believe. The @bold parts show that these people ARE OF FAITH not of their GOOD WORK I know you will find another excuse but remember your own word "...pre Christian PERSONS OF FAITH," * some translations use "apart from us" in verse 40I will but you also should NOTE how your own points rise against you. The promise of heaven was made by jesus to his followers and it [size=14pt]is based on his ransom sacrifice.[/size]Are you saying these people didn't benefit from the RANSOM SACRIFICE of Christ? There was no mention of heavenly hope for those that died before jesus came.If Jesus is the one who promised heaven and it's based on His sacrificial event, did those who died before Him benefited from His RANSOM SACRIFICE or not? The term "us and they" let's us understand that paul was talking about two groups of people.This will also prove that it doesn't include the 12 Apostles according to your analogy below, don't be shocked that's what your point end with. Who are here meant by “us”? Hebrews 3:1 shows that they are “partakers of the heavenly calling." The pre-Christian [size=14pt]persons who had faith,[/size] (the "they" in that verse) then, must have a hope for perfect life somewhere other than in heaven.You prove here again that these people are HAD FAITH So somewhere else is still to prove that they WILL RESIDE FOREVER UPON IT, [b]but did you notice the very first phrase in that Psalm 37:29 "THE RIGHTEOUS THEMSELVES"? How can one become righteous according to the scripture? About the Rev 21:3,4 I didn't see where these pious will live in those verses? “Not Made Perfect Apart From Us.”The beauty of this comes from the @bold and underline. Please who are the THEM in that verse? A careful understanding of that THEM comes from this phrase "...that heard him" which means the writer here didn't claim to have HEARD JESUS HIMSELF but THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HEARD HIM are the one who CONFIRMED IT to the "US" (you're ignorant off and perverted). With this in mind, the US can't include the 12 Apostles since they are the one who actually HEARD JESUS. For these faithful men of pre-Christian times, therefore, their being “made perfect” must relate to their resurrection, or restoration to life, and thereafter their being “set free from enslavement to corruption” by the services of the priesthood of Christ Jesus and his underpriests during the Millennial Rule.So what is the different between the faithful pre Christians and JWs who had died? Remember you said "BEING MADE PERFECT must relate to their resurrection or restoration to life" because this is the same thing that every Jehovah witnesses who had died will experience (resurrection or restoration to life). Do you means after Jesus had come ALL Jehovah witnesses HAD NOT BEEN MADE PERFECT UNTIL they resurrection comes? In conclusion enoch and elijah did not go to heaven and the views of jehovahs witneses is not contrary to the bibles view in these matter.Yet you've not proved anything but just concluded as programming robot always does. |
kombo:Please can you help by showing how to put all these PHP codes in the same pages MOST importantly where to include the js library? Thanks, First Part <?php // An array of options for the first select box. $makes = array('Acura', 'BMW', 'Lexus', 'Toyota', 'Honda'); // Displays the posted info if(isset($_POST['submit'])) { echo '<pre>'; print_r($_POST); echo '</pre>'; } ?> <form action="" method="post"> <select id="makes" name="makes"> <?php // Build the options for the first select box foreach($makes as $m){ echo '<option value="'.$m.'">'.$m.'</option>'; } ?> </select> <select id="models" name="models"> </select> <input type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit"> </form> Second Part-JQuery <script> $('#makes').change(function(){ var make = $(this).val(); $.post('select-request.php', {make:make}, function(data){ $('#models').html(data); }); }); </script> Third Part <?php error_reporting(E_ALL); //Remove this line for production, it simply will allow php to display any errors // I built arrays based on the value names in the $makes array $acura = array('Integra', 'TSX', 'MDX'); $bmw = array('1 Series', '3 Series', '5 Series', 'X5'); $lexus = array('ES300', 'GX470', 'GS350', 'LS400H'); $toyota = array('Venza', 'Camry', 'Corolla', 'Echo'); $honda = array('Pilot', 'Accord', 'Civic', 'Ridgeline'); //We check to see if the "make" post has come through before we do any processing. if(isset($_POST['make'])) { $model = strtolower($_POST['make']); foreach($$model as $mo){ echo '<option value="'.$mo.'">'.$mo.'</option>'; } } ?> |
Jregz:Thanks very much. I so much love this your advice and I'll go for it. But can you just use those code above as an example of what to do, please? |
First Part<?php $makes = array('Acura', 'BMW', 'Lexus', 'Toyota', 'Honda'); if(isset($_POST['submit'])) { echo '<pre>'; print_r($_POST); echo '</pre>'; } ?> Form for the First Select Box<form action="" method="post"> <select id="makes" name="makes"> <?php foreach($makes as $m){ echo '<option value="'.$m.'">'.$m.'</option>'; } ?> </select> <select id="models" name="models"> </select> <input type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit"> </form> Second Part-JQuery<script> $('#makes').change(function(){ var make = $(this).val(); $.post('select-request.php', {make:make}, function(data){ $('#models').html(data); }); }); </script> Third Part<?php error_reporting(E_ALL); $acura = array('Integra', 'TSX', 'MDX'); $bmw = array('1 Series', '3 Series', '5 Series', 'X5'); $lexus = array('ES300', 'GX470', 'GS350', 'LS400H'); $toyota = array('Venza', 'Camry', 'Corolla', 'Echo'); $honda = array('Pilot', 'Accord', 'Civic', 'Ridgeline'); if(isset($_POST['make'])) { $model = strtolower($_POST['make']); foreach($$model as $mo){ echo '<option value="'.$mo.'">'.$mo.'</option>'; } } ?> |
CANTICLES:Imaging I should stop disgracing myself is coming from someone who couldn't counter any of my post but only attacks strawman. |
CANTICLES:Read all my post. |
dolphinheart:And the same scripture says "For those who say such things declare plainly that [size=14pt]they seek a homeland.[/size] 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they [size=14pt]desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them."[/size] Heb 11:14-16 NKJV Yet your organization says these pious will live forever on earth in a CITY that THE REMAINING JWs who survive the Armageddon will build whereas the scripture says God had already prepared a CITY FOR THEM. Who is telling the truth, Watchtower or Scripture? |
dolphinheart:Lol...you see what I'm saying, how will you have the copy when they've probably stopped the distribution because of the lies against the Ante-Nicene fathers and removed it from their online Library. Imaging the @bold-what evidence do you need again? FYI: If you want the copy you can get it here: http://thesnarkyapologist..com/2013/02/should-you-believe-in-trinity-booklet.html Why do you think they remove this booklet from their online Library? On birthday : I have not avoided the topic. Yes birthday is a pagan celebration and originated from pagan beliefs and culture and you have not proved otherwise or shown where birthday is celebrated or originated by loyal servants of jehovah.And Abraham made a BIG FEAST on the day Isaac was weaned at the AGE OF THREE. At least you will agree with me that is Isaac isn't yet up to THREE YEARS OLD Abraham won't arrange any FEAST. No matter who practise birthday celebration [size=14pt]now,[/size] it does not change it pagan roots.See how your dubious act is being exposed. you put NOW so that what you can exclude what Russell and some of his successor did by covering them with THE LIGHT GETTING BRIGHTER. Is it NOW or ALL THE TIME? Let me help you re-frame your statement with the mind of honesty No matter [b]who practice birthday celebration (with the evidence that the founder of JWs Pastor Russell who claimed to be the mouth piece and directed by the Spirit of God and some Bible students after him actually did), it does not CHANGE it PAGAN roots.[/b] |
dolphinheart:Imaging after you've said that the Bible doesn't have exert age a child is weaning but your quote from 2 Ch 31:16 says "FROM THREE YEARS OLD" which means a child can't be weaned unless the child is THREE YEARS OLD. Mean while this still supports my initial post. Thank God you can still say "This happy event could call for a feast such as the one Abraham arranged at the weaning of Isaac." 2 . The scriptures does not indicate or imply that Hannah took samuel to the temple at exactly 3 years of age.Go back to school, you're not yet weaned. ANY WEANED CHILD IS ALREADY THREE YEARS OLDER that's why Hannah herself said in the verse 22 that UNTIL THE CHILD WEANED which means UNTIL The Child reached a PARTICULAR AGE. take that into your skull! 3 . Service at the temple begin at 3 years and any additional day onward. No exact day or birthdate is required. What is required is that the child must be at least 3 years old.Date of Birth begins immediately a child being born, according to you "Service at the temple begin at 3 years" if the day of birth isn't being counted, how will they know that the Child is 3 YEARS OLD for the service of the TEMPLE? Don't dodge my question ooo 4. The scriptures did not say abraham celebrated Isaacs birthday. [[size=14pt]the day one was weaned is not in anyway associated withAre you for real? If the day isn't associated with Birthday, how will they know that the Child is a particular year older? Maybe weaning is through a random sampling. That day signifies the day he can now be taught other more important things bout life. No mention of birthdate, birthday or [size=14pt]his exact age is mentioned[/size] In relation to when a child is weaned.Anybody reading your post can quickly spot the lie, a child that is not 3 YEARS in AGE can't be weaned, please is there an exert age mentioned? "Birthday" and "day" are two different words in the bible and cannot be used in exchange of each other.See useless answer, Birthday simply means the DAY ONE WAS BORN and from that day, day will begin to count on the person. So if a child must be 3 YEARS OLD before being weaned, please would they start to count its day of weaning when he/she was still in the womb? 5. The childs personality, body structure and a host of other heredictory factors determine when a child is termed weaned and is not associated with how long he/she has Lived on earth.According to the scripture before a child can be weaned READY FOR THE SERVICE OF THE TEMPLE, the child must be 3 YEARS OLD, please when will the counting of his weaning start, while he was still in the womb or the very day he came out from the womb (day of birth-Birthday)? 6. A day a child starts learning about his God is a joyous occassion, everyday inclusive every increase in knowledge of God should call for thanks.So a day in which God out of His infinite mercy has preserved my life for helping me to see another round day while my life started on earth, isn't called for THANKS! 7. Unlike birthdays, the scriptures did not indicate an anniversary of weaning.Here is your statement "This happy event could call for a feast such as the one Abraham arranged at the weaning of Isaac 8. Unlike birthdays, weaning is a process not an event, and the completion of that process(with no exact date indicated) can call for joy.See how you contradicted yourself, you said in the above that THIS HAPPY EVENT but here you said weaning isn't an EVENT. 9. Unlike birthdays, the isrealites weaned their children and God approved of it but there was no mention of birthday celebration.Abraham arranged a BIG FEAST, please isn't FEAST a celebration? And with the fact I've provided above weaning is done AT A PARTICULAR AGE 10. Birthday and weaning or weaned are totally seperate and not identical and can't ve used as comparison . Weaning is not pagan created custom while birthday is. Weaning is done for a period of time and essential for the childs growth while birthday is marked ones a year, at a particular date and not essential for a childs growth. A child is weaned and does not wean himself while birthdays is celebrated by the celebrant and not celebrated for him.Please do you mean ONLY ISRAELITE practice WEAN? Lol...A child is weaned not wean himself, what if my parent arranged the birthday celebration for me any offense? 11. There was no mention of Hannah having any sort of celebration after weaning samuel. Pls dnt imply or add to what the bible does not say.When your organization had already done that. Go back to my previous post I didn't say Hannah celebrated any thing. Birthday is based on pagan astrology views and plastered with spiritistic and magical processes, weaning is done out of love for the child and proper growth.And Abraham celebrated Isaac's birthday at the age of his weaning which is 3 years old. |
dolphinheart:Very funny of you. You do not see them lying when they wrote in their booklet that Justin Martyr, Origin, Clement of Alexandria e.t.c didn't teach anything about Trinity whereas all the works of these Ante-Nicene fathers shows that they all taught Trinity. See the picture of the booklet "Should you believe in the Trinity?" page 7 below; Notice all these points from what your organization claimed in that page: 1. These fathers were ACKNOWLEDGE to have been leading religious teachers. 2. Dated back to the early century of CHRIST'S BIRTH. 3. That these fathers TAUGHT WHAT IS OF INTEREST. YET! These people never taught of anyone using the Divine name. So which means if these father actually taught what JWs didn't believe then JWs' teaching needs to be questioned. So there's no winning way about it, it's either these three compliments about these fathers by JWs is true or false. -If it's true then JWs' teaching needs to be thrown inside hell because from these fathers' work we know their teaching is totally different from that of JWs. -If it's false why then JWs is using false teaching to support their own teaching which means they only make these fantastic statements to deceive people like you. Now you've avoided the main point of this thread which is celebration of Birthday. It's birthday a pagan practice now? *NOTE: I'll ask you again, why did you think your organization remove the booklet "Should you believe in the Trinity" in their online Library?
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dolphinheart:You're clamoring on SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH after I've shown you the lies from your organization, please can TRUTH AND LIE work together? I'm showing you all these to let you know that your organization don't have ANY TRUTH which they always claim to have but lies. Ephesians 4:14 says, "that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting," So if your organization wakes up today and says Ok! you can start celebrating birthday just as the way they wake up and stop it after practicing it for many years. You'll still go with them. |
dolphinheart:How come I can see all these lies BUT YOU who is the majority READER didn't see the lies? Please @bold-which TRUTH do you want me to see again from the above listed lies? All I'm asking from you is to prove me wrong that those thing are not from Watchtower Society. You say I seem to have a view contrary to the organization, now you are implying I'm close -minded. Whichever the case, I'm not going to go into ur well planned twisting.do you notice here again, you docan not see their numerous good works !!?I'm not only implying that you're close-minded but still maintain my posit that your view is contrary to what your organization teaches which I supported with evidence just as you couldn't counter it in my previous post nor refuted any aforementioned lies about your organization. I do not think you associate with any religous organization and if you do , I dnt think you will mention it.Thank God that you only THINK, if you ask for my organization I will tell you. If you feel u have issues with the watchtower, their contacts is well known and written on their publications which you read regularly. Pls get in touch with them.How can an organization claimed to be mouth piece of God and directed by the Spirit of God and continue to LIE? God can not lie, so anything that must come from God can't contain any element of lie YET your organization that claimed to be directed by a God who can't lie involved with many lies. If this isn't a thing to ponder over for you it's a big concern to me. As for me, I can only answer questions relating to [size=14pt]what I believe in,[/size] what I know and what I have info on, using the scriptures as a guide.@bold-that's wrong claim, there's nothing you believe apart from what Watchtower teaches. Unless you want to tell me that you're not subscribed to everything Watchtower teaches but once you agree with ALL WHAT IT TEACHES Mr man you don't have your own believe. Since you use scripture as a guide, how do you understand 1 Tim 6:16 "who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen." Back to the thread, birthdays is a pagan celebration, was celebrated by pagans who worshiped false Gods and no servant of God was recorded as partaking or adopting such practices.Actually, I was waiting to this end so that you can know that your organization truly perverted the scriptures to suit themselves. Your Brother CANTICLES also bragged with this statement "For my trilion dollars, show me a righteous man that observe birthday celebration in the bible?"Now with this I'm going to show you from NWT that if Birthday celebration is PAGAN and celebrated by pagan then Abraham is also a pagan for celebrating Isaac's birthday. There are a lot of cross-references represented with alphabet at the center of NWT and on online edition with plus (+) sign. What does it mean? It means the particular verse in view has direct link with the one being referenced to. With this in mind, now let's go to real business. Genesis 21:8 reads, "Now the child kept growing and came to be weaned; e [size=14pt]and Abraham then prepared a big feast on the day of Isaac’s being weaned."[/size] When you look at the reference to "e" in the center column it refers you to 1 Samuel 1:22 which read "But Han′nah did not go up,+ for she said to her husband: “As soon as the boy is weaned, I will bring him; then he will appear before Jehovah and remain there from then on.” + when you click at the last plus (+) sign it refers you to 2 Chronicles 31:16 that read "This was in addition to the distribution made [size=14pt]to the males from three years old[/size] and up who were listed in the genealogical enrollment, who came daily to serve in the house of Jehovah and to carry out the duties of their divisions." From the above we know that a Child is weaned when he is three years old, to support this I'll quote from Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary on the meaning of WEAN Wean:- Among the Hebrews children (whom it was customary for the mothers to nurse, Ex. 2:7-9; 1 Sam. 1:23; Cant. 8:1) were not generally weaned till they were three or four years old. So Abraham actually did a big birthday party for Isaac when he was three years old because [size=14pt]"...Abraham then prepared a BIG FEAST on the day of Isaac’s being weaned." (this can be translated "...Abraham then prepared a BIG FEAST on the DAY Isaac being three years old)"[/size] Even while considering other event in the Bible like the case of Han'nah, Han'nah might have also threw a very big feast when Samuel was weaned, though we can't read into the scriptures what isn't there like JWs had read into the scriptures on what Bible didn't give any detail about. |
dolphinheart:Yes! Especially the lies of watchtower I've not discovered any incoherent teaching.Why will you find any? Only a close-minded person will look at watchtower teaching and says nothing was wrong. *On different five occasions they couldn't identify who Angel Michael is----yet to you no incoherent *For more than FORTY YEARS they taught the worshiping of Jesus Christ until they realized that such act is idolatry (what will happen to people who died with the believe of worshiping Christ?)----yet to you no incoherent. *For more than TWENTY YEARS they are HERALD OF CHRIST but today they were no more Herald of Christ but Jehovah witness even though Bible testimony was that Jehovah Himself witnesses about His Son---Yet to you no incoherent *They published a booklet title "Should you believe in Trinity?" and blindly distributed ONLY TO LATER DISCOVERED that the booklet was full of lies about what they wrote on EARLY fathers and the booklet was QUICKLY removed FROM THEIR ONLINE LIBRARY---yet to you no incoherent. *They always preach against SPIRIT-ISM and at the same time use the source of those who involve in SPIRITISM as their support---yet to you no incoherent. *JWs discredited Justin Martyr in AWAKE 1976 Nov 22 p.27 by saying Justin was not INSPIRED BY GOD as the Bible writers were simply because Justin plainly wrote that Jesus died on the CROSS but they can cite the work of Christianity TRASHIER like John Rylands, E. Washburn Hopkins, Siegfried Morenz, Will Durant, Arthur Weigall who DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE talk less of Jesus Christ to support their claim IN THE SAME BOOKLET "Should you believe in the trinity"? And the funny part of it is that Justin Martyr was also wrongly quoted as a support in the same booklet. confuse people.... *I opened a thread about the comment of JWs on 1 Tim 6:16 you people pretended as if nothing happen simply because none of you could counter it *The shocking one is when JWs say Jesus is not a MEDIATOR FOR MANKIND BUT ONLY FOR THE 144,000 holy one in heaven, and many more..... Ur notice is totally wrong !Check what you said earlier to what I posted you know that your statement here is nonsensical. You see there post and publications from a wrong perspective cus you are constantly and desperately searching for "something wrong" with what they teach. This premeditated search of yours does not allow you to see the good things they teach you in their publications, which should be the main determinant.With what I posted above, why would I take them serious? Russell claimed to be mouth piece and directed by the Spirit of God likewise do Rutherford claimed the same ONLY another mouth piece and spirit filled present to arise and said what those mouth piece and spirit filled taught were IDOLATRY, who should will believe? The funny part of it is that JWs can see the log wood in someone eyes but they couldn't see their own. They made this statement about Catholic in 1970 "Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. "Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe 'new things.' [size=14pt]How do I know the 'new things' will be the truth in five years?"[/size] Awake! 1970 Apr 22 p.8 With this question How do I know the 'new things' will be the truth in five years? everyone reading that statement can understand where they're heading to, whereas they couldn't ask themselves THE SAME QUESTION. I think the question any open-minded JWs who truly wants to know the truth about the TRUE GOD should ask his/herself is, why is the light getting brighter and why must it be? Though some JWs actually know the reason why the light is getting brighter but they decided to continue to live with the lies. |
NervousErection:You're absolutely right. because it's even contradicting for a Christian to believe ALL OF THE ABOVE at once. |
obaobirin:I suppose to quote OLAADEGBU but it seems both of you have the same view and I read malvisguy212 post also though it seems he missed it along the line. I discovered that the way you people explain this very verse isn't the actual understanding of Jesus Christ's statement by many commentators. To fully understand Jesus' statement, let's start from Verse 10 "10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. [size=14pt]12 "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?[/size] 13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." NKJV Here, Jesus' statement means No man has ever gone to heaven (in bringing any report) and COME BACK to earth (to deliver it for mankind) except Him who has his origin from heaven and has come down. Let me cite some NT commentators so that we can understand it better. Geneva Bible. "(k) Only Christ can teach us heavenly things, for no man ascends, etc. (l) That is, has any spiritual light and understanding, or ever had any, but only the Son of God who came down to us..." Williams Burkitts "Here our Saviour declares to Nicodemus, That none ever ascended up into heaven, to fetch down from thence the knowledge of divine mysteries, and to reveal the way of life and salvation to mankind by a Mediator, but only Christ himself; who, though he took upon him the human nature, and was then man upon earth yet was he at the same time in his divine nature actually in heaven as God." Albert Barnes "Verse 13. And no man hath ascended into heaven. No man, therefore, is qualified to speak of heavenly things, Joh 3:12. To speak of those things requires intimate acquaintance with them--demands that we have seen them; and as no one has ascended into heaven and returned, so no one is qualified to speak of them but He who came down from heaven. This does not mean that no one had gone to heaven or had been saved, for Enoch and Elijah had been borne there (Ge 5:24; comp. Heb 11:5; 2Ki 2:11), and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and others were there; but it means that no one had ascended and returned, so as to be qualified to speak of the things there." Family Bible "Hath ascended up to heaven; learned heavenly things by actual presence there, and come down from that world to reveal them. Son of man; Jesus Christ. Which is in heaven; whose proper dwelling-place is in heaven. He left heaven for a season only, to return thither again." Jameison Fausset Brown 13. no man hath ascended, &c.--There is something paradoxical in this language--"No one has gone up but He that came down, even He who is at once both up and down." Doubtless it was intended to startle and constrain His auditor to think that there must be mysterious elements in His Person. The old Socinians, to subvert the doctrine of the pre-existence of Christ, seized upon this passage as teaching that the man Jesus was secretly caught up to heaven to receive His instructions, and then "came down from heaven" to deliver them. But the sense manifestly is this: "The perfect knowledge of God is not obtained by any man's going up from earth to heaven to receive it--no man hath so ascended--but He whose proper habitation, in His essential and eternal nature, is heaven, hath, by taking human flesh, descended as the Son of man to disclose the Father, whom He knows by immediate gaze alike in the flesh as before He assumed it, being essentially and unchangeably 'in the bosom of the Father'" I believe these can help us understand the content of that verse. Shalom! |
crusadistic:Don't derail this thread! |
Emusan:Where are the Jehovah's witness? |
olyivy:Thanks, but I'm not a guru in web design. I've done a little research on it but you know things like these are somehow difficult for people like me. So can I get a template which I can edit from you? |
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dolphinheart:I guess you're one of those who have discovered incoherent teaching of your organization but afraid of leaving the organization due to dis-fellowship from friends and families. Because I notice some of your claim are against what your organization teaches sometimes, your organization teaching is contrary to what you said above This is the second baptismal question of your organization: "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30 |
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stop disgracing yourself , so you cant show me where it is CLEARLY AND NEATLY WRITTEN THAT Abraham did a big " BIRTHDAY PARTY " for Isaac ?