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MzNelly:
Okay, Sir.
Believe in whatever rocks your boat, I'll do the same.
It is, afterall, a free world.

It is a free world BUT THE TRUTH IS RIGHT THERE IN THE SCRIPTURE.

You mean Russell didn't know what he believed and the modern day JWs know more than him?

MzNelly:
Ja ich bin.

Guten Abend und wie geht's?

MzNelly:
The light became brighter and brighter, Sir.
We've made mistakes, just like any organisation.
Our mistakes don't make us 'evil.'
This isn't particularly hard to understand, I believe.

The light is getting brighter indeed WHEN THE SOLE CALLED THE FOUNDER DIED AS A POLYTHEISTIC (according to JWs) and God hates IDOLATRY, I can see the level of your blindfolded.

MzNelly:
German, Sir.

Sprechen sie German?

MzNelly:
Okay, itaff do.

Are you speaking Greek?

MzNelly:
Ha ha
All you're good at is picking on Witnesses
Yes, I do know people who gave first-hand info about what it was like in 1914; but to hand out their names to you is ridiculousity of the highest order.

I can't help but SMH because you're so blindfolded to see this truth.

Another example is this;
Pastor Russell himself believes and teaches the worshipping of Jesus but today worshipping of Jesus became idolatry to JWs which means the sole founder 'Russell' died as an idolatry.

Yet people still believe in such organization.

MzNelly:
Why? Do you have an award for them for longetivity?

Yes! Award of the best longevity-liar to WATCHTOWER when they didn't know that 1914 anointed one still alive before they reverted their teaching to overlapping generation.

MzNelly:
Yes Sir. Some of them.

Please give us their names...

MzNelly:
I still don't get you, mister.
If they are alive to witness the destruction of the world, so?

So, are they still alive now?

MzNelly:
I really do not understand what he's on about.

Are you one of them?

If yes he said WATCHTOWER teach that some elders who witnessed the event of 1914 WILL BE ALIVE TO SEE THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRESENT WICKED WORLD.

What do you have to say?

If no, I'm sorry this thread isn't for you just grab your seat belt and begin to WATCH(the)TOWER

vooks:
I agree you mention doctrine and they dissociate. But some arguments can be knocked down. For instance, how could Jesus die if he was God? Are angels born? Who was the mother of Gabriel?

I wonder why a Bible student like JWs always ask this dumb question.

Did Jesus live in the nature of God on earth or in the nature man?

Let me see how your intellectual will pay way (I didn't direct it to you but to show you how someone who claimed to be rooted in the word of God can be asking such question)

paulGrundy:

BERNIMORE would make a good editor for the book

I'm telling you.

If you want JWs attention just ask them, do you know Pastor Russell die as polytheistic? Then watch how they will pay attention.

davien:
It remains a testable hypothesis.....that's It.

And since 1950's nothing can come out of this.

I will ask you this again why will Miller-Urey CAREFULLY chose those substances and a better ENVIRONMENT for their experiment when nobody was there at early earth to do so?
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davien:
If you had paid more attention to my posts and did not attack it blindly you'd notice that [size=14pt]I am not for nor against abiogenesis,[/size] as the process is but a testable hypothesis...

You thought I attacked your post blindly but I did not.
You're not for nor against, so which side are you?

kozaic:
To the ladies---what will you make of it

To the guyz---what will make you send such?

Something is baffling me here please, how does she get there in the first place or did she pass through that same path the guy follow

I will soon publish my book titled "why history doesn't favour JWs?"

davien: Here is the list of starting materials that were used forto the experiment...you'd find that it needed organic compounds and energy(note: the "matter" in my earlier post was a typo)

"experiment used water (H 2 O), methane (CH 4 ), ammonia (NH 3 ),
and hydrogen (H 2 ). Continuous electrical sparks were fired between the
electrodes to simulate lightning in the water vapour and gaseous mixture'
After a day, the solution collected at the trap had turned pink in
colour.
At the end of one weeks of continuous operation, the boiling flask was removed, and mercuric chloride was added to prevent microbial contamination. The reaction was stopped by adding barium hydroxide and sulfuric acid, and evaporated to remove impurities. Paper chromatography revealed the presence of glycine, α- and β-alanine."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

If truly the life we know today comes through this process I wonder where some Atheist put their brain for unable to ask a simple question, why will Miller-Urey CAREFULLY chose those substances and a better ENVIRONMENT for their experiment when nobody was there at early earth?

UyiIredia:
[size=14pt]And where in Nature would you find all these elements in one place?[/size] One wonders how natural processes will know when or how to add the sulfuric acid and co to remove impurities. Not to mention the fact that the presence of chemicals like oxygen (also said to be present in early earth but in lower quantities) would hamper such a reaction. I wonder why Urey declined to put oxygen and UV rays in his experiment. If you must simulate natural conditions you can't ignore the parts adverse to life.

@bold-NO ATHEIST CAN PROVIDE a reasonable answer to that question.
@underlined-That's what they do. They purposely ignore this and still believe the conditions for early life arouses from chemical can be melt.

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Dapo777:
Man you lack common sense. So now you have to change the definition of freewill to support your lies? You are funny boy. That's not the definition of freewill you just cooked up that definition to support your lies that you must think through everything before you can decide to take actions. That was your stance.

Yes you need freewill to blink your eyes,you need freewill to run from a dog,freewill doesn't have to d with good or bad actions only. Freewill is the ability to do ANYTHING without coercion, you are the one that modified the definition of freewill to support your lies. Mr ignoramus. Someone like you shouldn't be taken seriously. You change the definition of things to support your lies.

This show that you lack knowledge.
You think I'm like you who is ready to formulate a lie to keep people in darkness.
Don't you have dictionary or Google? why can you do yourself a great favour from embarrassing yourself by do a little search before you laid this accusation against me?

What is FREEWILL?
https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=what+is+freewill%3F&oq=what+is+freewill%3F&gs_l=serp.3...10706990.10715673.0.10716491.16.15.0.0.0.0.748.1351.5-1j1.2.0.msedrc...0...1c.1.58.serp..14.2.1349.awG9-I_R2a4

Dapo777:
In fact ,me being born into this world isn't my freewill. I didn't decide to come into this world I just met myself in this world [size=14pt]against my will.[/size]

@bold-so what is your will before you were been born into this world?

I am not completely ruling out the existence of GOD I am skeptical about God's existence.

That's how some Atheist do say when within them they know He exists BUT just want God to vanish out of existence (which isn't possible) so nobody will hold them responsible for their action.

Lol man how is that question relevant to this discussion? When I came to nairaland last year January I was still a Christian, I saw nairaland as a good avenue for seeking help and getting suggestions on any life issues that was why I came to nairaland.

After this you can still continue to equate POWER of REASONING with blinking of eyes and chasing by dog.

When you join Nairaland you read many posts and topics probably against God from Atheist here THEN YOU BEGAN to RETHINK (don't you?) and finally you make a DECISION to act on those things which result in becoming an Atheist.

Remember, people who created topic(s) or posted comment aren't there with you BUT you began to think and make a decision based on what surrounded your view. So if there is no power of reasoning(freewill) you won't become an Atheist.

Then ask yourself, is God responsible for your decision?

People who carried out EVIL act today were sometimes in your position.

Dapo777:
Emusan do you need the power of reasoning to decide to breath air? Do you need the power of reasoning to decide to blink your eyes? You are making it sound like every action I make I must have thought about it deeply before I can make decision. You are So blind and clueless. If a dog suddenly starts barking and running towards you,do you start thinking deeply before you tear race? You skipped biology class when they were teaching reflex actions Abi? Do you have to think deeply for every step you take while you are walking. Tell me again how the power of reasoning is required for every action we take? Funny guy

I can see your ignorance.

You're the one talking about FREEWILL, do you need freewill to blink your eyes or run for a dog when you're being chased?

Before you become an Atheist, don't you REASON on something and don't you act on your THOUGHT?

We're talking about how freewill is an agent of good and bad action as in our society today which stems out from your own OP but you're here talking as a kid again.

Grow up in wisdom man.

An2elect2:
You are contradicting yourself. If freewill is the ability to make choices without external coersion it means no man has freewill.

How am I contradicting myself?
There's a freewill in man, ability to THINK on YOUR OWN and make a DECISION based on WHAT YOU THINK!
The decision you're about to make would have originated from the THOUGHT in you and your THOUGHT will originate from what is going on around you.

You can't think or make any decision without external or internal influences. Where is the freewill?

You're confusing yourself, you can only think on what surrounded you THEN make a decision on WHAT YOU have THOUGHT.
When all these processes are going on you're the only person who hold the key.

I can try to change your THINKING just by a little talk/advise BUT IT IS LEFT for you TO REASON WITH ME and begin TO ACT ON WHAT YOU'VE reasoned within you.

I believe this is clear enough to phantom.

Why do you think the way you do?

Because their many things going on around me.

You don't have power over your thought processes.

Is true because our mind can dive into many thing seen by our eyes and hear by our ears BUT YOU DO HAVE POWER OVER what you THINK and YOUR DECISION on it.

You can't originate any thought without being aided.

Aided by what?
Is it by being compelled or think to fornicate?

Common, do you want me to prove to you that there isn't any freewill ascribed to man with scriptures?

So what do you understand by freewill?

Dapo777:
Why does GOD want to create? He is GOD he shouldn't need anything, it's only when someone needs something that he creates to supplement his needs. What does GOD needs that he decided to create us?

How do you know that God doesn't need anything out of what He created?

What about disabled babies that are born without legs nor arms ? Is GOD also without legs and arms?

This is not part of the topic don't let's us go beyond it so that it won't lead to long text.

Since he doesn't want us to be like robots,then why did he decided to punish us for not acting like robot?

Acting like a robot again when He has already given you freewill.
You got it wrong; tell me without practicing/involve in EVIL, IS THERE OTHER THING MAN CAN DO WITH HIS/HER FREEWILL?

GOD gave man freewill and yet he punishes those that decided to choose evil out of freewill,

YET you're the one complaining that there's an EVIL in the world, so if God didn't punish the act of evil how the one who choses to use their freewill in a good way will be justified?

it doesn't make sense,

To you.

if GOD didn't want us to do evil and at the same time didn't want us to behave like robots then GOD must be really confused, because it's not possible,either we only get to do good only and be like robots or we be like him and get to do evil,GOD wants to eat his cake and have it,funny GOD.

At least you never present a logical answer rather than attacking out of ignorance.

God didn't want you to do EVIL by giving you POWER TO MAKE DECISION or want you to be like a robot BUT that you can enjoy the FREEWILL of DOING GOOD. Is it only EVIL that man can do with his/her freewill?

Again, is it possible for man to prove existence of EVIL wrong?

Man, power of reasoning is different from freewill why are you joining those two different things together? Man can still be logical without having freewill,man can have freewill and be illogical. They are two different things man don't let religion confuse you.

An you called yourself an intelligent person, must you be intelligent before you can reason to make a decision? Over to you.

What is FREEWILL? FREEWILL is the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion or Free will is the ability to make choices without external coercion.

@bold-Now what is discretion? Discretion is the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.

How can man make a decision without first THINK/REASON?

Complete rubbish. If GOD knows that freewill (you are still equating reasoning with freewill wrongly) would be misused and he still decided to give man freewill then it means he wants us to misuse it.

No! He didn't want you to misuse it.
Can you do evil? If yes! why do you hate evil?
If No! then why others can be like you?

If GOD truly doesn't want us to misuse it,then he would have done something about it to prevent it from happening,

What do you want Him to do again after He has told you that LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.

he is GOD he should be able to prevent future accident, since he decided not to prevent it then it only means he wants it to happen. SIMPLE.

He has prevented it by giving you a commandment which is "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF" have you ever asked yourself, how the world will look like if man can follow this simple commandment?

I think I now know why you are equating reasoning to freewill,So that you can argue that Lucifer was the first to misuse it,because we all know angels don't have freewill and that would make your argument meaningless if you say Lucifer misused his freewill. Lol you tried but failed.

NO you don't! Because the POWER OF REASONING here is what is going on within you before make decision.
Just as you THINK DEEPLY on some issue before you turn Atheist.

Guy don't be confused, reasoning is different from freewill,

I can see you're a little bit confuse

we have artificial intelligence, they can be said to have intelligence to a certain extent but they have no freewill to go against their programming So your argument is already flawed from the start to equate freewill with intelligence. Give every details about intelligence? What the crap are you talking about?

Can an artificial intelligence REASON within itself before MAKING ANY DECISION, this is how you will know you're confuse.

Still flawed, no one is misusing power of reasoning,it's freewill we are talking about here but you have to change it to power of reasoning So that you can argue that Lucifer was the first to misuse his reasoning. Doesn't make sense because intelligence cannot be misused.

And you couldn't differentiate between when a human can REASON within him/herself before making a decision and intelligence of man. SMH

Imaging intelligence can not be misused, this is coming from someone who think he is more intelligent than Religious person.

Lol man what are you saying,who is talking about love here. See the way you changed freewill to power of reasoning now you want to change it to love? Guy you are funny.

Go back to elementary school please.
The commandment of God is "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF" now before you put your power of reasoning into action this law should be your foundation where you build your decision, so when those THUGS love the woman as themselves would they beat her like that?

You never answer this!

Freewill that's the word, not reasoning. We misused freewill not power of reasoning, you are confusing yourself not me.

How can you put your FREEWILL into action without first THINK?

necessity is the mother of invention, what does GOD need that he decided to create us? If GOD needed something from us then we can't call him GOD again.

It depends on the aspect you bring your need from
But God brought creation into being to show His power and infinite wisdom just like nobody will know that Faraday is more intelligent and hardworking if he hadn't invented anything.

Irrelevant question.

You called it irrelevant when it's so much relevant as part of the question you ask below.

So you like the way the world is presently?

And you couldn't answer my question
Let me ask you again, can man prove existence of EVIL wrong?

If you were GOD you wouldn't have done any better.

I can't do anything than what God has done by giving us FREEWILL and guided the FREEWILL with a commandment "though shall love your neighbour as yourself", paved way for SALVATION and punish anybody accordingly who failed to follow the instruction BY MAKING LIFE HARD FOR THOSE WHO CHOSE TO FOLLOW the commandment. that will make me a JUST PERSON.

The existence of evil only shows that either GOD doesn't exist or he doesn't give a damn about mankind

He exists and much concerns about mankind BUT the existence of EVIL shows that mankind are forsaken God's beautiful commandment and decided to walk on their own ways where nobody will JUDGE their action.

An2elect2:
Am a Christian but [size=14pt]the ability to reason,perceive and receive instruction is not all that it is to possess the so called freewill.[/size]

In fact the bolded part fall out of logic. How can man MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT FIRST THINK?

What is FREEWILL? FREEWILL is the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion or Free will is the ability to make choices without external coercion.

@bold-Now what is discretion? Discretion is the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.
Again how can one make decision without first THINK?

In light of this can a man carried out any action without first REASON IT WITHIN HIM/HERSELF?

Have you thought of the behind the scenes causes of this ability to reason,etc.

It's nothing more than power to make decision.

If there are circumstances that influence our thoughts and consequently our decisions, how can we say we have free will? I see no scripture that supports this phantom illusion called freewill.

The only circumstances that influence our thought is what is going on around us and circumstances that consequently affect our decision is the result of our THOUGHT when we applied the POWER OF REASONING.

Truly, no scripture talks about freewill but we have many references within the scripture on how people used it.

Dapo777:
A mother and her child were walking along a dark street,suddenly two harmed men came out and confronted them,one of the armed men took the child apart and the other one began to hit the woman,punching her really hard,pushed her on the floor and began to hit her, while her son watches in horror.
Meanwhile GOD is sitted on his throne watching this happen.
Me: GOD why don't you do something to stop this man from hurting the poor mother?
GOD: I am not supposed to stop him from harming the mother because that would be interfering with his freewill.
Me: So you want him to be able to exercise his freewill to decide by himself not to hurt the mother again,right?
GOD: Yes exactly.
Me: OK you have preserved the freewill of the man now.
GOD: Yes I have.
Me: What about the mother,is it her freewill to be beaten up by the man?
GOD: Hmmmm,no it's not her freewill.
Me: So that means you are in favour of the armed man's freewill and against the freewill of the mother.
GOD: it seems that way,but that's not how it is.
Me: since you care about everyone's freewill why don't you save the mother since She hasn't done anything wrong to deserve the beating?
GOD: I am not supposed to do that,I am supposed to remain hidden.
Me: So by splitting the red sea into two,turning water into wine,turning a stick into snake,making a tree catch fire without getting burnt,bring a whole human (Jesus) to be the saviour of the world is being hidden? So you would rather be hidden than save the poor woman.
GOD: shutup!!!!!! I am GOD how dare you question me? Don't you know my ways are mysterious! Human comprehension cannot understand me. Just shutup!!
Me: So why do we have the Bible then? Since we cant understand your ways.
GOD: am out!

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I reply this post to educate you on the issue you know nothing about but thinking you know it all because this your analogy is poor and below logical reasoning.

Firstly, God wants to create and He did create all things.
Secondly, God also wants to create BEINGS much like Himself and He did create them.
Thirdly, the BEINGS who God wants to create MUST NOT BE/ACT AS A ROBOT.
Fourthly, so these BEINGS were created WITH POWER OF REASONING that is ability to perceive & receive instruction, and make a decision on those instruction.
Fifthly, God knows that this ability (POWER OF REASONING) can be misused so God placed a set of code i.e COMMANDMENT in between to guide any BEING how to make use of this ability.

The first BEING to misuse his POWER OF REASONING is LUCIFER.

I think as a rational being the argument you can bring to make you look logical should be, why would God create BEING with ABILITY TO REASON and couldn't give every detail about it?

So whosoever misuse his/her POWER OF REASONING decided to act contrary to the commandment of God.

In fact the second greatest commandment is love your neighbour as yourself, so if those thugs love the woman BY OBEYING THE COMMANDMENT of God would they beat her up as you described? Obviously NOT.

Finally, God knows BEINGS He endorsed with POWER OF REASONING can misuse it BUT He also place a commandment that guide them whether they're using it in a RIGHT way or in a WRONG way.

To ask why God then create them when He knows that they will misuse it, is to go against the decision of God which is "God wants to create".

I will now put this question to you, is it possible for MAN to prove the existence of evil wrong? that is it possible for MAN to start doing what we know as good?

Ymodulus:
Proofs that Genesis 1 is nothing but a text-book photocopied version of Ancient Myths are numerous and cannot be over captioned.

So who are these ancient myths, don't they have tribe or name?
I think these are the questions a rational mind supposed to ask before dive into the ocean of heresy.

https://biologos.org/uploads/static-content/enumaelish.jpg
Ma the above is called Enumaelish found by some archealogists and when examined the most striking thing about this piece is that a lot of stories in Genesis 1 were copied from this Piece.

So who wrote this Ma?
Why other people didn't copy from this Ma or it's only Hebrew that have access to this ancient myths book?

After all the story of Genesis was written by someone whose name and tribe was known.

Ma do not say its the other way round( the text on the piece were copied from Genesis 1) No it can never be, as the piece as ben subjected to series of carbon - dating test and its age is over 200yeas older than the bible.

Firstly, the original copy WRITTEN by Moses is not available today rather we have different copies made out of the original copy.

Lastly, despite that you said it's older than Bible yet the writer of Genesis was known and his tribe were able to make copies out of the original copy.
So why this Ma was not preserved by the original tribe or you want to tell us that the Ma was written by an Hebrew man?

Italo is this a coincidence?
That been said, now to the poster. Jesus coming had no relevance. Christians and Religionist will say he came to save the world or die for me and you. These are pure lies. Jesus was just a Pseudo- Comic character, what amazes me is why he isnt used in heroic cartoons likes of BatMan, Superman etc

Says who with no spiritual and rational knowledge.