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lanrexlan: Long time indeed.

Yeah

To you and your mentors with a closed heart,it's a problem.

It's not a problem for me BUT to you who see an obvious problem and trying to cover it.

[size=14pt]That's a miracle about the glorious Qu'ran[/size]

Imaging you call it MIRACLE whereas rhetorical language is always straight forward.

which the 7th century arabians couldn't even match.

Then I challenge you to provide JUST ONE LITERATURE that uses this unmatchable Quran but couldn't RATHER you called it MIRACLE...SMH!

I gave you a typical example of such shift with a well detailed and explained example.

NOTE nothing like grammatical shifting in the Bible RATHER each statement demonstrate THE PLURALITY of YAHWEH not a being like Allah that suppose to exist in SINGULARITY but always shift in Its statement.

Mind explaining this to me?
Exodus 3:2-3 -There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight--why the bush does not burn up." When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look,God called to him from within the bush "Moses! Moses!" And Moses said, "Here I am."................. this,Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God
In the beginning of the verse,the angel of God appeared to Moses then towards the end Moses was afraid to look at God.Is God's face and angel's face the same?

This is where your problem lies, Angel of the Lord that appeared here is another being within the TRINITY of YAHWEH you can do more research about this.

It's even good as you quote this verse from Bible now let's compare this verse with Quran to see the difference.

"When Moses said to his people 'I observe a fire, and will bring you news of it, or I will bring you a flaming brand, that haply you shall warm yourselves.' So, when he(Moses) came to it, he(Moses) was called: 'Blessed is he who is in the fire, and he who is about it. Glory be to God, the Lord of all Being! Moses, behold, it is I, God, the All-mighty, the All-wise. Cast down thy staff.' And when he saw it quivering like a serpent he turned about, retreating, and turned not back. 'Moses, fear not; surely the Envoys do not fear in My presence, save him who has done evil, then; after evil, has changed into good; All-forgiving am I, All-compassionate. Thrust thy hand in thy bosom and it will come forth white without evil-among nine signs to Pharaoh and his people; they are an ungodly people.' But when Our signs came to them visibly, they said, 'This is a manifest sorcery'; and they denied them, though their souls acknowledged them, wrongfully and out of pride. Behold, how was the end of the workers of corruption! S. 27:7-14

If you pay close attention to this conversation very well you can see the obvious grammatical shift;
Who called Moses? It's Allah!
But who speaks to Moses? A being outside the FIRE.

1) The translator inserted quotation mark to make it sure that the SPEAKER is referring to another person which SUPPOSED to be Allah
2) Then we can see when Allah supposes to start Its statement, the statement begins as if an outside was the one PRAISING the person inside the FIRE.
3) At the end we can see that the voice of an outsider PRAISING the one inside the FIRE finally identify him/her/itself to be Allah

BUT in case of that Genesis you quoted The Angel of the Lord simply IDENTIFY Himself as YAHWEH not shifting from one person to another AND NOTHING like PRAISES

Try and be a gentleman Emusan.

I am sir.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is a living being He's Al-Hayyu the ever living and the pronoun you should use is not 'itself'.'Itself' is used for inanimate things.

Whereas the He you used was only using for a PERSON, is Allah a PERSON?

Try to show some courtesy.

I will.

To your question,I don't think it's your problem if Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala praises himself.He's the most High,worthy of all praises. To Him belong all praises.Allah praises Himself to remind His creatures that all praise belongs to Him alone.

Heehee...so it's befitting for a CREATOR to be PRAISING HIMSELF? SMH
Did you know that PRAISE is part of WORSHIP?
So if Allah is praising himself THAT means he is WORSHIPPING himself...
But people like you can quickly attack Christianity by asked who is Jesus praying to if He is God? you can see problem with Jesus' prayer that is, it's not befitting for Christ to pray if He is actually God BUT it befits Allah to PRAISE himself.

It is not permissible for a human being to praise themselves like this.Allah says --So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keep his duty to Him. (Surah Najm 53:32) Self-praise is despised among humans because they have many more defects and deficiencies than points of praise.Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is pure,the Holy one worthy of All praises.

Of course you're right BUT only if you know that it's not befitting A Unitarian CREATOR to be WORSHIPPING himself.

So Allah praises himself to remind his creatures that they are weak and solely dependent of Him.

You agree that Allah is worshipping himself and it's good for a Unitarian creator to do so...that's good of you and your religion.

tola9ja: the holy spirit have been existing before the birth of jesus so why will he said what has been existing will come to exists that is commonsensically nonsensical a rational thinking person will never say such a thing

When will you get knowledge?
I only asked you WHY DO YOU THINK He can't be used for Holy Spirit?
Who asked you whether He exists before Jesus or after Him

By the way Jesus didn't say that [size=14pt][b]the Holy Spirit will come to an existence after He left BUT ALL BELIEVER WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE EMPOWERMENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT which unlike before that the Holy Spirit was only minister in some individual NOT EVERYBODY but after the exaltation of JESUS ALL BELIEVERS NOW HAVE ACCESS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT to fulfil the prophecy of Joel 2:28[/size]
"And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions.

i repeat what have been saying quran contain Allah's word

Did I say it doesn't contain Allah's word?

example if u write a book about what ur father say will write ur father name as the author
muhammed is not live during the existence of jesus and Allah narrated it to him and also what happen between moses and pharaoh

You're still displaying this your ignoramus.
Let me give you this last example to help your ignorance.
During my final year project in school, the WHOLE project appeared in my speech/text BUT I quote SOME books written by some people. So for my work to be acceptable I have to PROVIDE a reference to made it clear that though the WHOLE project appeared in my text BUT I BORROW some people's text also. That's why majority of book always include REFERENCE at the end of the book.

In conclusion the WHOLE project appeared in my speech BUT contains OTHER people's speech.

simple sentence you find it difficult to understand OOOO GGGG AAA HHH OOOOO
i no you will unable to reply these give me the bible verse that jesus said am the lord and savior if u can provide it i will continue my conversation with it

Lolzzz... is it me that find simple sentence difficult or you?

You want to take style to run away....please stick to topic at hand first before that!

tola9ja: your IQ is too low cos u find it difficult to understand a simple sentences

I thought my explanation has corrected your ignorance but I discovered it's getting worse.

Allah is the speaker or narrator of Qur'an and only quoted Jesus' word, [size=14pt]is those words belong to Allah?[/size]

@Bold-Are you asking me?
Is that not what I've been telling you since?
Qur'an is narrated by Allah BUT CONTAINS OTHER PEOPLE'S WORD SIMPLE!

can you see your life outside?

he narrate what jesus said to muhammed jesus said 1 prophet will come after me follow him that is what Allah narrate to Muhammad

WHAT JESUS SAID which isn't WHAT ALLAH SAID!

Then it makes the word of Jesus appeared in Allah's narration.

Common sense is not common indeed.

John 16:13 ESV
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come

this verse is referring muhammed but is has been edited because if it really the holy spirit the pronoun will be it not he

Don't worry I know how confuse you people are when it comes to Bible but my question is this,

why do you think the pronouns he can't be used for Holy spirit?

tola9ja: i don't no how i can help your brain to comprehend simple English

You've not helped yourself you want to help another person.

the whole quran contain Allah's word

That's you people's claim but is it?
see below!

he[Allah] narrate what [size=14pt]Jesus said[/size] during is life time to Muhammad

I didn't deny the narration of Allah BUT THE QUOTATION OF JESUS' WORD.

The BOLDED part says Allah NARRATED what Jesus said which means it's not Allah who made the statement BUT ONLY narrated it.

That's why the very verse you quoted places a QUOTATION MARK at the word of Jesus.

Meaning of quote.
quote /kwəʊt/
verb
1. repeat or copy out (words from a text or
speech written or spoken by another
person).

From here we see that whenever a quotation mark is being used THE WRITER OR SPEAKER only referring to someone's speech or writing WHICH ARE NOT ORIGINALLY HIS/HER SPEECH OR TEXT.

Surat Aş-Şaf (The Ranks) - سورة الصف
61:6
Sahih International
And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

NARRATE means give detail account of something

See where you short yourself in the leg, you agree that NARRATE is given an account of SOMETHING.
That THING you narrate is not actually yours i.e You can narrate a MOVIE or DEBATE or HISTORY (which is what Allah did) but whatever you narrated isn't your.

Now since Allah is the speaker or narrator of Qur'an and only quoted Jesus' word, is those words belong to Allah? And remember many situations like this where an HISTORICAL EVENT is being narrated have been claimed to be Allah's word too.

These are simple English which a primary school student shouldn't have problem with but because you've been deceived beyond measure simple primary English is difficult for you to comprehend.

tola9ja: that why i always said u lack understanding the whole quran contain Allah's word he narrate what jesus said to muhammed true the verse

Really Lolll
Now let's see who lack understanding!
@bold-Is it said to or said about?
The statement of Jesus does it take place on earth during Jesus' life or in heaven?

If it's during His lifetime THAT MAKES it an historical event but if it's in heaven then your argument is plausible.

BUT thank Yahweh that you also agree that Allah is NARRATING the event.

So what is the meaning of NARRATE?

Longest time Brother Lanrexlan!

lanrexlan: The Qur’anic linguistic feature is the effective rhetorical device known as
iltifāt or grammatical shifts. This literary device
enhances the texts literary expression and it is an accepted, well researched part of Arabic rhetoric.

Another way of explaining away this gross problem in Quran, rhetoric device

One can find references in the books of Arabic rhetoric by al-Athir, Suyuti and Zarkashi. These grammatical shifts include: changes in
person, change in number, change in addressee, change in tense, change in case marker, using a noun in place of a pronoun and many other changes.

Please give us another literature where rhetoric device of GRAMMATICAL SHIFTS was using like Quran.

The main functions of these shifts include the changing of emphasis, to alert the reader to a particular matter, and to enhance the style of the text.Its effects include creating variation and difference in a text, to generate rhythm and flow, and to maintain the listener’s
attention in a dramatic way.
Chapter al-Kawthar provides another good example of the use of grammatical shifts,
“Verily, We have granted you The Abundance.
Therefore turn in prayer to your Lord and sacrifice. For he who hates you, he will be cut off.”

In this chapter, there is a change from the first person plural “We” to the second person “…your Lord”. This change is not an abrupt shift; it is calculated and highlights the intimate relationship between God and the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. The use of “We” is used to emphasize the Majesty, Power and Ability of God. This choice of personal pronoun calls attention to, and stresses the fact, that God has the Power and Ability to grant Muhammad“…The Abundance”. Whereas “Your Lord” has been used to indicate and emphasise intimacy, closeness and love. The word “Your Lord” has a range of meanings that imply master, provider, and the One that cares. This is an apt use of language, as the surrounding concepts are about prayer, sacrifice and worship; “Therefore turn inprayer to your Lord and sacrifice“.
Furthermore, the purpose of this chapter is also to console Prophet Muhammad,as using such intimate language enhances the psycholinguistic effect.
www.nairaland.com/1898514/qurans-miracle-non-arabic-speakers#26258407

Did you read the OP where Allah suppose to be narrating Moses' encounter with Itself but Allah started praising Itself, is that rhetoric statement again?

Please come with another excuse.

tola9ja: please on a serious note try to do more reserch to know what jesus really practice he no nothing about [size=14pt]christianity paul exterblish it[/size]

I've been expecting this BOLDED part remember I said in one of my post that AFTER you used Paul's statement you will still come back to tell us that PAUL is a false teacher, can you see it now?

may Allah show you is rit patch Amin

Always check your grammar before you submit your post...

When Allah Itself don't have a right part....how can a deceiver know anything about RIGHT?

tola9ja: upon all the evidence have given u stiil want to die as an unbeliever

Where are the evidence?
Unbeliever!!! when you don't even have access to Allah to know whether Allah truly inspired Muhammad.

ALLAH reveal the quranic verse to muhammed telling him [size=14pt]what jesus said[/size] to the children of Israel

But you first said it's Allah who was speaking...NOT JESUS!

Common sense is not common....

tola9ja: John 9:5King James Version (KJV)
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

I know the purpose of quoting this verse if because of the phrase you underlined BUT it is a shame to ignore the real part of that verse I DIDN'T BLAME YOU because you only recite what you're being taught NOT THAT you understand or know the meaning of what you're reciting.
The next statement in this verse says "…I am The LIGHT (Al-nur) of the world"

The last time I check Al-nur (The Light) is one of Allah's name Whereas the Quran teaches that Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth: Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth (Allahu nooru al-samawati wa al-ardi)...Sura 24:35

So I hereby declare you a SHRINK for believing that Jesus actually make that statement.

now see what jesus said about the comming of muhammed

Do I need to see anything again when you've actually agreed that Jesus is Allah by claiming to be The LIGHT (AL-NUR) of the world?

John 14:26 ESV /
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

To start with who is you FATHER or have you forgotten that Muslims are slaves and no FATHERHOOD in Qur'an?

Then the verse read "...In my NAME" do you believe Muhammad was sent in the NAME of Jesus?

You've committed another sin according to your book.

John 16:13 ESV /
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

You dare not continue that state till verse 14 because the Spirit we hear from Jesus so did Muhammad hear from Jesus?

1 Corinthians 2:9-13 ESV /
But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

Firstly, you quote the word of Paul which means you believe Paul's statement is correct VERY SOON you will come back to tell us that Paul is a false teacher.

Secondly, did you notice the implications of that COLORED part?
You mean Muhammad is the one WHO KNOWS THE THOUGHT OF Allah?

Lastly, you are so confused because according to the Qur'an Muhammad didn't know what will happen to him tomorrow talk less of being THE MIND of God.

John 15:26 ESV /
“But when the Helper comes, whom I (Jesus) will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me (Jesus).

It's getting interesting!
> Again it is Jesus who sent Muhammad!
> Jesus truly has a FATHER!
> Finally, Muhammad PROCEEDED from Allah.

Wonders of Qur'an indeed.

in the original manuscript prophet Muhammad name is written in the place you see spirit and if it really the spirit it suppose to be qualify with the word IT not HE

It will be very better if you can do me a favour BY INSERTING Muhammad into all the quoted verses above WHERE THE WORD SPIRIT appears and LET US SEE how it'll sound.

think judiciously this is not about religious argument is about establishing the fact jesus was not crucify jesus is a prophet and servant with a lot of evidence Qur'an and bible verses

Do I need to think or you should think!

Hebrews 6:1English Standard Version (ESV)
6 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

Best saying!

After reading your post I have to forced myself to conclude that all educated 21century MUSLIMS that still believing in lies of Muhammad in the Bible are more illiterate than Muhammad himself and his lord.



Shalom!

tola9ja: where did jesus said is the lord and serviour that he is a christian that u should go to church on sunday and we did the quran said you should worship jesus

Stick to the point, answer my questions and stop behaving like a kid.

tola9ja: Allah is d one speaking in the quranic verse not jesus

In fact I can't say any than just being shaking my head for you because wisdom is lacking in you and I don't blame you I only blame what you've exposed to (Wrong teaching that suppress knowledge).
This is the verse again.
qur.61:6 "And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

This is type of confusion Qur'an has created for Muslims as you claimed in your statement that it's Allah who is speaking AND NOT JESUS so kindly answer these questions.

1) Allah said "I am a messenger of Allah" is it true?
2) what came before Allah for Allah to confirm?

As you can see passage like this are many in the Qur'an which suppose to be an HISTORICAL event NARRATED by a THIRD PART but an educated fellow like you couldn't use your brain to phantom the TRUTH will also be following a deceiption that Qur'an is PURE ALLAH'S WORD when it obviously contained human words.

about the bible verse the jew were expecting 3 prophets by that time jesus Elissa and muhammed

Another lie from the pit of hell.
So when did Elias come?
Don't quote for me where Jesus finally alluded to John the Baptist as Elias because according to the verse you're quoting John has already denied being the Elias.

that is why they ask the question when jesus[as] came the jew dose not believe in him they said is a bastard he dose not have father so when prophet muhammed came [s.a.w] the christian dose not believe in him cos Allah dose not raise him up from the isrealite where all the remaining prophet were raise up so we muslim believe in all prophets send by ALLAH that is the fact may god help you

Nonsense!

tola9ja: dose the quran said you should worship him like

Olodo SMH for your ignoramus!
The Spirit of God is also God just like your own spirit and anything that attributed to God is uncreated because they CO-EXIST with God before the creation.

Then if Quran truly affirmed that Jesus is the Spirit of Allah that should tell you He is uncreated and should be honour as your honor The Father. John 5:23

Abdulsalam20: Ali Sina Writes:
21:30 presents also another problem. It contradicts with the verse 41.11
Ali Sina Writes:
Of course both are false. The earth is inside the sky and
part of it. They can neither come together nor
separate. Here we have two version that contradict each
other and both are scientifically wrong.

My Response :
As I explained above none of the two is wrong. Dr.Zakir Naik explains
“The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the 'Big Bang'. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. [size=14pt]According to the 'Big Bang', the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula).[/size] Then there was a 'Big Bang' (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by 'chance' is zero."

I've been trying to address this portion of your post but there's no time but I finally have it today.
See the person you rely on as your mentor in science, SCIENTIST who postulated the theory of Big Bang never claimed the BOLDED part as in "Universe was ONE BIG MASS before BIG BANG occurred rather their claim is that there's a point called POINT of SINGULARITY (PoS) BUT because Zakir knows that people like you will believe every his statements without even border to verify them.

Again, THE VERY POINT of SINGULARITY sometime refers to as BIG BANG itself if this is true THEN Zakir's point was invalid for claiming that BIG BANG occurred as secondary separation which make BIG BANG occurred two times.

Lastly, After Zakir fully agree with the THEORY OF BIG BANG then he went back to conclude that probability of it occurring by CHANCE is ZERO which negate the whole theory of BIG BANG.

Will You and Zakir want to accept the THEORY of BIG BANG in part (as you people always do to the BIBLE) or accept it in whole?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Abdulsalam20: [size=14pt]U NEVR DEFEND THE ONE I POSTED ABOVE NW...[/size] ATLEAST I HAVE DEFEND THE VERSES AND HADITH YOU QUOTED FOR ME........... [size=14pt]ABI U DIDNT READ IT SO OYA I DEY WAIT[/size]

After you've already confirmed it yourself that those verses ARE PARABLES yet you still want him to defend them, this shows how little your brain works.

Again you said "THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO WHAT I POSTED ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED IN THE BIBLE" but no verse quoted by you mention or single out WOMEN. can you see what Zakir Naik teaching has turned you to.

tola9ja: [size=14pt]ALLAH DOSE NOT PROMISE TO PROTECT ANY BOOK EXCEPT QURAN[/size]

In fact this your statement is so weak and illogical.
So if Allah didn't promise protection over the previous books YET Allah still wants PEOPLE who have already been following a PROTECTED book (The Muslims) to believe in THOSE UNPROTECTED books.

If I tell you that Muslims are so confuse you will think I'm lying.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BLASPHEMY YOU ALL SAY ABOUT THE QUR'AN STILL ENCOURAGE MANY UNBELIEVER TO JOIN ISLAM SO CONTINUE TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH MAY ALLAH SHOW YOU WHAT JESUS REALLY PRACTICE

Jesus practiced Islam as usual even though Quran confuse about WHO brought ISLAM whether it's Muhammad or Adam or what do you want us to know again.

Keep deceiving yourself.

malvisguy212: are you blind? You read witout understanding, that is how you read the quran
29:27
Sahih International And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and
placed in his descendants PROPHETHOOD
and scripture. And We gave him his
reward in this world, and indeed, he is in
the Hereafter among the righteous.
IS MUHAMMAD FROM THE DESCENDANT OF ISAAC AND JACOB?

They just want to force their false prophet into Bible without even scrutinized their own book very well.
Imaging PROPHETHOOD was placed in Isaac line yet Muhammad was a PROPHET from Ismael line....confuse people.

tola9ja: YOU NEED TOO LEARN THE DIFERENT BETWEEN SIGN AND SEND YOU TO THE WHOLE WORLD JESUS WAS ONLY SEND TO THE ISREALITE STOP DECEIVING URSELF

So why Muhammad not in Nigeria preaching the word of Allah today?

The verses above is enough for you to tell yourself the truth including the commentary of Yusuf Ali.

YOU SHALL NO THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

The last time I check it was Jesus who made this statement John 8:32 and He reveals who the truth is..."...I am the Way, THE TRUTH (al-haqq), and the Life..." and I still remember that The TRUTH (al-haqq) is one of Allahs' name.

Do you know Jesus?

tola9ja: BECAUSE HE CONFIRM IT BY HIMSELF

So who spake all these word too?

John 17:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

[b]1 ¶ Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, John 17:1

AND GOD ALSO CONFIRM IT

And God also confirmed Jesus Sonship too!

Acts 3:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[a] Jesus,

"And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'" Matt 3:17

tola9ja: yes muhammed fufill is prophecy qur.61:6
And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

SEE HOW MUHAMMED NAME WAS REMOVE FROM THE BIBLE


The Testimony of John the Baptist

19 And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the CHRIST.” 21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you ELIJAH?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the PROPHET?(THIS IS WHERE MUHAMMED NAME WAS REMOVE)” And he answered, “No.” 22 So they said to him, “Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”

See how confuse you are!
You quote Jesus speaking in Quran predicting the coming of Muhammad BUT you come to Bible to quote where the JEWS speaking.
Is Jews' statement the same with Jesus' statement?

Another error; since a messenger is coming outside the Israelite TRIBE according to Muslims, why the Jews bordering themselves ASKING A FELLOW JEW?

Your problem is that you're too close-minded if not you can agree that Bible truly called Jesus a prophet and still deny that the Jews still need to be expecting another prophet.

tola9ja: yes the spirit of god can be created by the creator of the universe(ALLAH)

Is it can or can't?
Is it god or God?

The Quran says Jesus is the Spirit of God(Allah)

oluwabambam: I was just reading a post on Nairaland some minutes ago where the topic was on what constitutes a God-fearing individual. Someone commented adding that he/she is an atheist and that got me wondering. I have been seeing so many atheists on social media in Nigeria and it bothers me why there are so many of them nowadays. Are people now saying that there is no God? Do people mean that they don't believe in the creator of the universe? How did they come into existence if they don't believe in God. God created us all and this is what the Bible says. What is it with all these atheists? I want to understand why anyone would come to the conclusion that there is no God. It baffles me seriously. I need answers.

The reason is very simple to put the REAL FAITH of believers into work.
If your care is not taken, you yourself will become Atheist if you've never had personal encounter with Jesus because the Bible says "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." 1 Cor 12:3

Infact we have many Atheist inside the Church today, people who are just going to Church for parent's or Pastor's or environment or personal gain sake.

tola9ja: there is no quranic verse that said jesus is lord

You're right but Quran confirmed that Jesus is the Spirit of God.
Can the Spirit of God be created?

and in the bible I hav already confirm it to jesus is prophet send by god

You've shown us how Bible called Jesus a prophet which agree with the Deuteronomy 18 the next thing we'll see is you coming here again to tell us that it is Muhammad who fulfilled the prophecy.

not son or lord

Why do you also neglect those verses that called Jesus Son and Lord?

tola9ja: LOL there is no verse that said such [size=14pt]a thing blasphemous talk[/size] without evidence whenever i cote a bible i give u verse
Matthew 15:22-24King James Version (KJV)

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

@Bold-if I now provide evidence that means Quran is a blasphemous book.

Sign unto Mankind:
The universal ministry of Christ has been one of the most attacked aspects of his mission. Most Muslims believe that Christ was not a universal prophet like Muhammad, rather similar to prophets before him; he was limited to his own people.

To prove their point Muslims extract certain passages from the Bible, which on the surface would seem to confirm that Christ's mission was indeed limited to Israel (Matthew 10:5-6, 15:22-24).

This practice however, stands in neglect of scores of other verses that show quite conclusively that the mission of Jesus was geared toward the whole of mankind. (The reader may refer to John 4:40-42 as one example of this fact.)

What the Muslims also seem to overlook is the point that the Quran itself bears testimony to the universal mission of Christ:

He said: "so (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for me: and (we wish) to appoint him(Jesus) as a sign unto men and mercy from us.'" S. 19:21
And (remember) who guarded her chastity: "We breathed into her of our Spirit and We made her and her son(Jesus) a sign for all peoples." S. 21:91

Yusuf Ali states in two separate footnotes to the above verses that Jesus was meant to be a sign for the world:
"Mary the mother of Jesus, chastity was her special virtue: with a son of virgin birth, she and Jesus became a miracle to all nations. This was the virtue with which they (both Mary and Jesus) resisted evil." (1:815, f. 2748)

"The mission of Jesus is announced in two ways (1) he was to be a sign to men: his wonderful birth and wonderful life were to turn an [size=14pt]ungodly world[/size] to Allah: and (2) his mission was to bring solace and salvation to the repentant ..." (1:748, f. 2473)

Question:
If Jesus' was meant to be a sign for the whole world, how can this be achieved without His message preached in all Nations?

Maybe Allah as usual is confused for making Jesus to be a sign to all nations then abrogate it and shifted it t on Muhammad.

I know your mind never comprehend the above verses because of the confusion in your head.

I can still give you other people opinion on UNIVERSAL mission of Jesus Christ in Islam.

Abdulsalam20: LAUGHING IN HAUSA LANGUAGE ALL THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED BUT BECAUSE U ARE SUBBJECTIVE AND NOT OBJECTIVE BECAUSE U ARE BASED ON SENTIMENT AND BEING BIAS I SAID ALL WHAT HE SAID WAS VALID EVEN LI SINA THAT TRY TO PROVE HIM WRONG WAS ALSO BUSTED SO........CONCERNING UR LAST QUESTION I HAVE ANSWERED U BUT MAYBE U SKPPED IT PLS READ MY EARLIER POSTS

Since I gave you that link to explore but decided to continue to dance to the tune of Zakir's lie so I've took it upon myself to help you.

See various letters written to Dr. Zakir Naik for public debate by ALI SANI whom you claimed Zakir deflated BUT Zakir couldn't take up the challenge.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm

Here you will also see where Ali said "A Muslim turned ATHEIST" to substantiate my previous claim.