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truthislight:
John5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted ALL judgment to the Son,

John5:20
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.

Peace.

Are you sure you really understand the OP?
The OP asked, who will return to judge? and went ahead to list many OT scriptures that say it is Yahweh and the NT that say it's Jesus, after all the Op didn't say he didn't know that this verse you quoted is not in the Bible but

*why will Yahweh say he will be the one to judge but the judgement is now shifted to Jesus?
*Did Yahweh change his mind?
*Did Yahweh didn't know initially that He won't be the one to judge before He declared them?
*why Yahweh didn't make a direct statement that He will send someone rather than attributing it to Himself?
*OR Yahweh has truly come as He promised?

I think this what the OP need clarification of.

RikoduoSennin:
Read previous post in this thread and see it being used.

I've cleared myself here.

Did you also see, " And the Word was with God". What is unique about "The word" being called God, he is not the only being called that with the same capital 'G', do you know that? Lesser being were also called God too. It means nothing since none of these being (Jesus included) is not the TRUE ALMIGHTY.

I know this is what you will resort to but any open minded person reading John 1 would see that the writer has something more than that in mind before he called the WORD God, as he continue in verse 3 without Him (Jesus) NOTHING WAS MADE, that has been made you believe Jesus was created which means Jesus WAS MADE, now this verse said NOTHING WAS MADE without Jesus, can we then say it's Jesus who created Himself?

Jesus came before THE THINGS IN HEAVEN, hence other TRANSLATIONS use "Through him". Please ask yourself why is that? (NB: He did create Heaven itself but things in Heaven as that scripture said)

I know either through/by
Good, you agree that Jesus did create heaven itself which means God created Jesus before Jesus now created heaven, now tell me where was Jesus dwelling after He was created (according to you) since every living creations need a place to dwell? remember only God dwells in ETERNITY.

I don't get you, are you Saying Jesus is the same as the Holy Spirit? If Jesus and the Father were really one, they would have ONE AND THE SAME WILL, but that is not the case, is it?

See you, am I the one saying it or what is in the scripture? Do you know why NWT has to remove the word "of Christ"?
Please what do you understand from that scripture?

I have never read where it is written that God sent HIMSELF!

When you failed to read your Bible, "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD(Yahweh), make straight in the desert a highway for our God(Yahweh)." Who fulfilled this prophecy? John the Baptist & Jesus! Did God send Himself?

Are you denying Jesus having a God he answers to?

No I didn't! Are you denying Jesus as God? when Genesis told us that it is Yahweh who breath His Spirit of life into Adam and the NT said it is Jesus who created everything including Adam?

It was because of people like you that was why The Father in verse 9 made it Clear that he his A God who is Jesus's personal God. Read: " Therefore God (Almighty), EVEN THY/YOUR GOD". Did you notice the possessive term "YOUR GOD". Did you bother to ask yourself what does it mean.

I do! but everyone can see that you didn't address my question why will the Father called the Son God when He is the only God? and another question we can ask is, [b]why would the writer apply the verses that meant for Yahweh in the OT to the Son without blasphemy?

malvisguy212:
ok, very good, muhammed is not a prophet but a Warner;

Allah says: “Say (O Muhammad): I have no
power over any good or harm to myself
except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of
the unseen, I should have multiplied all
good, and no evil should have touched
me: I am but a WARNER, and a bringer of
glad tidings to those who have
faith.” [ Sûrah al-A`râf: 188]

When I read his post this verse quickly comes to my mind, he claimed someone has shallow mind whereas his own mind shallows more than shallowness he couldn't respond because you caught him red handed.

RikoduoSennin:
How did they (Trinitarians) interprete Psalms 138:2 by applying "word" in that verse to mean "Jesus".

I don't think Trinitarians use this verse because not all version rendered it as WORD.

Who told you I am reading a corrupted scripture? I read and use different translations of the bible- each have its own strong side.

If this is true, did you ever come across this "...and the WORD was God" John 1:1

Where is your proof that Jesus disciples believe he his Jehovah in the flesh because I have my proof that the reverse is the case: eg.
PAUL
Ephesians 1:3, 17 "Blessed be THE GOD and Father of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST...... That THE GOD of OUR LORD Jesus Christ....."

PAUL Colossian 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,..." 17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

I know your objection to this will be, Jesus is the first creation but if that is true verse 16 says For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven,..." Which come first Jesus or heaven?

PETER
1 Peter 1:3 "Blessed be The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..."

PETER
1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,..."

The blessed Apostle said it was THE SPIRIT of Jesus Christ that prophecies Christ suffering and through out the Old Testament about the suffering and the death of the Messiah it was Holy spirit or God that did it,

They are also Moreeeeeeeee. But then,
Jesus said he has a God himself, How can Jesus be the flesh manifestation of his own God.
You don't believe Jesus words in John 20:17, Revelation 3:2,12,14.

They are just so many, but then.
So you don't believe The Father when He called the Son God...in Hebrew 1:8, how can The Father who is God called the Son God?

What I see most Non-Trinitarian misunderstand about Trinity is inability to separate Jesus' humanity from His Divinity.

RikoduoSennin:
The context points to spoken word just as you said.

He rightly said but both of you have different understanding about The Word

Others should please explain, When John the baptist, Peter , James and John heard a vioce from Heaven say "This is my beloved son"- Did the actual words spoken mean 'THE WORD'-Jesus. NB: 'The word' is a title.

You problem is pathetic, did the Trinitarian say since Jesus is the word of God, then the Father can't speak again or since the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father, the Father lying dead without spirit in Him anytime the Holyspirit is at work?

Its pitiful that many never read the bible to see that the disciples believe Jesus is not Jehovah and he is a subject of Jehovah.

It's pitiful that you can't see that the disciple actually believe Jesus is Jehovah in Flesh because you're reading a corrupted scripture.

MisterNRC:
Answer: You can apply for work using the sites already mentioned in this thread.

Ok but can you help me with one or two of the site or the actual page where they are on this thread?
because the thread is dem too long over 200 pages

worry359:
I hate to say but you sound very desparate and ready to throw yourself on the first stranger who gives you an offer.
This WILL lead to tears!

Thanks, though I'm not desperate because my post read 'HELP'

Of course we're all stranger in this life I don't live a life of discouragement because my ex-gf jilted me then I should conclude all ladies are wicked.
Are you a stranger who can dupe your fellow? To me I'm a stranger of help in my own capability to those who will (in one way or the other) meet me for the first time for any assistance.

For example you need to book a hotel or similar before you visit. This may be part of your travel package.
You can tot think of turning up with N10 in your pocket to live and find a job.
Most advice is to visit with about $1,000 to cover living, food and transport.
(That is US Dollars not Nair!)

Alright I understood you but the help I'm talking about before is, maybe you know someone over there who you can link me with for short period of my visit that's all.

Thanks once again, still looking for further advise.

worry359:
There is no simple "back door" to jobs.
The best advice is to get a visitors visa and go on holiday to look around.
There are very many agents who will take your money and give you nothing, or slave job.
Read back through this section.

Thanks.

But about the visitor's visa I don't have anybody over there, but can you help me arrange a place to stay after gotten the visit visa? Please I will hold my cash for that because their hotel will be too expensive.

monchouchou: Start by reading this thread from beginning or atleast from the middle.

I don't know any reliable agent. Most are fraudulent. Go online and contact a reliable tour agency in dubai to assist u in getting a visit visa and come down and search for a job yourself.

For job sites u can use bayt.com monstergulf.com and dubbizle.com but be careful with dubbizle as there are a lot of fraudulent people there as well.

Good luck

Thanks,
But about the visitor's visa I don't have anybody over there, can you help me arrange a place to stay after gotten the visit visa? Please I will hold my cash for that because their hotel will be too expensive.

monchouchou:
Lol, nawa o. They have really prepared a nice format to use in scamming you.

There are job consultants everywhere in the world but paying for a job is illegal. They will only take your money and enrich themselves or at most get you a job as a cleaner or security guard. Don't waste your money.

Please read this thread from beginning or from the middle. All these questions have been answered repeatedly. We have advised against paying ANYONE or any job site or any company for a job as it never ends well.

So can you quickly do us favour by giving us a clue on how to apply for a Job in Dubai?

I mean any trusted site you know or a reliable agent please...

Thanks.

bossladyMo, MisterNRC, bellong, How can I apply for work in Australia while still here in Nigeria?

This is a fashion cake but can you eat it?

MisterNRC:
@ The Bolded : Correct.. Your head is there..
@Bossladymo, With the phone option. go with prepaid option. you cannot go wrong with that. there is also prepaid boost mobile (blackberry options).

I think the real bonus here about the starting from somewhere is that the person(s) you end up working for will stand as your local reference. it paid out eventually . I learnt to follow-up with calls to the names on the adverts sometimes before and also after dropping CVs.

was not a big fan of www.seek.com.au but back then when it was reigning this side, i used this site www.snipey.com.au and it was heavenly. Connected me straight to the recruiters bypassing the agencies but shame they are under maintenance now.

PS: mehn those tradies ehn..giving their occupation the "chargeable" respect it deserves.

Please how can I apply for work in Australia directly from Nigeria here?
Thanks.

Rilwon:
Lol, know islam without ever owning or reading the Quran themselves at all?
PDP will never tell you anything good about APC, will they? they will do anything to tarnish their image, take their speeches out of context to implicate them....thats the case here bro.

I don't even think you sometimes pounder over your statement before you post it, if what you said above is true do you also think APC will ever say something good about PDP (according to your own illustration)?

After this your statement BUT you can still believe that those Islamic scholars you're copying their explanation of the Holy Bible (which you and many Muslims take as a solid truth for the real Biblical explanations) are also interpreting Biblical text accordingly without taking them out of context.

It's obvious that you lack something but you will never agree that you lack it...(Wisdom is missing)

Why do you have to open another account?

Rilwanyne01......

Rilwon:
https://www.nairaland.com/1947119/let-us-more-tolerant-each

If the confession of faith Seun put in the Islamic section was here will you have mouth to talk?

This is the stupid thing that Seun always do when people raise voice about this he will post this link and closed the thread.

Why can't he do the same thing by creating a thread like this in Islamic section, if he's not religious bigotry?

joseph1832:
Brotherly! [size=14pt]I beseech thee, in the absence of non, you vote for the available.[/size] Even though I know fully that Buhari doesn't deserve my vote, giving it to him is better than giving it to GEJ!.

Remember this: "it is better to be seen as a vampire than to be seen as a weakling". GEJ is a weakling! A vote for him is a vote for continuous bombing and killing of innocent Nigerians. We need change in Nigeria, and if that change is anybody but GEJ, so be it!.

The bolded part is the reason I always say Nigerians are too gullible.

We have 11 presidential candidates for this 2015 election but what is going on now it seems GEJ & GMB are the only candidate, the ironic part of it is that many Nigerians can sincerely mention another aspirant's name apart from GEJ & GMB.

Among the 9 candidates that remain, is it that we can't find another person who can perform and bring the change we needed more than GEJ/GMB? The reason is we Nigerians are prone to lies and deceive.

Go to frontpage and read many comments on thread about PDP/APC/GMB/GEJ you will be surprised to see a comment with a lot of grammatical errors yet people will be endorsing those comments with likes just because the person supports GMB/GEJ, this is very pathetic.

I know many people follow GMB/GEJ today because of what the crowd are saying.

May God help us in this national especially we Youth.

johnw74:
2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
.

Did you read the Op at all

ProphetUdeme:
guy na wa for u o, why did u post my mind.. The truth sets on these,, God will judge the world throught Jesus Christ the righteous Judge because He ha s appointed Jesus to judge the whole world. PERIOD

You and the guy you quoted didn't understand the OP, what the Op is simply saying is that Yahweh spoke many times in the OT that Yahweh will come by HIMSELF to judge His people but everything change in the NT that it's Jesus who will do the Judge. How come? Did Yahweh change His mind? Or, Has Yahweh truly come?

Any idea?

frosbel: Note : I very honestly have NO evil motive for this article other then to dig deep with my brethren and friends and find the absolute truth, so please do not berate me for raising this dilemma on a public forum.

Problem ;
In most books of the bible it says that Yahweh himself will return to judge and save Mankind but in the New Testament it says Jesus will return and he will return to judge and save Mankind, so who is it, God or Jesus?

I want to comment because of your first statement, so if truly you want to find the truth then you have only one option to choose from my conclusion.

Firstly, you got it wrong for calling it A PROBLEM it's not a problem but how Yahweh actually operates.

Secondly, thank God that you open this thread yourself and you're the very one who believe Jesus is not God but this thread should open your eyes to see perfect collaboration between Yahweh and the man Jesus Christ.

Thirdly, this would've posed a lot of problem for the standard of Biblical teaching if Jesus is not YAHWEH IN THE FLESH.
Now from the Old Testament books you quoted stating that Yahweh is coming to judge people I think the best question to ask here is how will Yahweh carry out this action? Since both statement agree that Yahweh will COME HIMSELF then the next question to ask is Will Yahweh come absolutely as God (when Universe itself can not contain Him talk less of Earth) or in what actual form will He come?

Very importantly the testimony we have in the inspired word of God who can not lie is that THE MAN JESUS is Yahweh in the FLESH to judge people which means Yahweh didn't come in His totality of His majesty as God but simply took on HUMAN FLESH to fulfil His promise that's why Jesus Christ Himself can say "22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." John 5:22-23

Lastly, had it been you pay close attention to what you read in the Bible you would've discovered that Yahweh spoke about coming in HUMAN FLESH.
According you I will use Yahweh where LORD appeared
"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the YAHWEH, make straight in the desert a highway for our God(Yahweh)." Isa 40:3
"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me(Yahweh): and the YAHWEH, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the YAHWEH of hosts. Mal 3:1
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isa 9:6

That's why the coming of Yahweh in the FLESH must not be through a normal sexual intercourse it must be a supernatural process (Miracle) but unfortunately you've denied the Virgin Birth.

Conclusion, Apostle Paul and the rest of the NT writer provided parallel account of Jesus being Yahweh in the flesh in many ways i.e Yahweh and Jesus as the Judge of people, Yahweh and Jesus as the ONLY KING who rules forever, Yahweh and Jesus as the only exalted Being, Yahweh and Jesus as the ONLY Saviour e.t.c

The two options for you to choose now, it's either you embrace the parallel account of these people (including Paul whom you believe in his writing) who put Jesus Christ in the position of Yahweh in the Flesh or you discard the whole NT and you know what happen if you do that.

Shalom!

hisblud:
Hi rilwayne, from one of your thread, you quoted on good news which I was wow, so in Islam there is "goodnews ", [size=14pt]what is the good news you are to proclaim?[/size] And is that a pointer to new Koran that has no violence etc in it?

The only goodnews in Islam has been given to Jesus so no other goodnews/gospel in Islam again what they have now is what you see them doing in the world today because Muhammad didn't know the meaning of Gospel when he said Jesus was given the injil/Gospel.

ruffp:
.....Nobody is forcing u to vote APC.

Then did he say anybody is forcing him before?

There are about 11 other parties with presidential candidates.

This is the bottom line of the issue, if we truly need a change is there not a candidate who can perform more than GEJ or GMB among the 9 candidates? Why Nigerians are so gullible? Many people are shouting GEJ or GMB today because of what others are saying.
How many Nigerians have sat down and done a thorough research about other presidential candidates? In fact majority of Nigerians know only GEJ & GMB as presidential candidates for this election.

You have accepted that the PDP has failed us enough to be changed abi?

It's your gullibility that makes you think this way, what he's basically saying is this THERE'S NO difference between PDP and APC because majority of APC members today are also part of 16years rule of PDP then if we truly need a change, is it the same people who only safe face under APC but have been ruling for the past 16 years that will bring this change?

So of the 11 other parties you still haven't seen a party to 'change' to?

You misunderstood him, he's not talking about PARTY BUT INDIVIDUAL that make up the PARTY PDP or APC is just a name.

pls feel free to scrutinise the 11 others and stop insulting our senses with your stupid lies!!

@bold-It's no more 11 but 9 after you remove GEJ & GMB, please with all honesty and someone who truly need a change did you scrutinise all the 11 presidential candidates before you make your choice?

This is the major problem that's drawing us back in this nation we dance to the tune of what people say and not what we know as the truth based on our own research. I believe someone who can perform more than GEJ/GMB that can also bring the change we need in this Nation is among the rest of the candidates but gullibility won't allow Nigerians to make a right choice.


Mind you I'm neither a member of any party nor do I support anybody but I only reply to your post the way I believe we Nigerians suppose to vote this 2015 election.

hisblud:
Hello rilwayne etc.. I was following your thread https://www.nairaland.com/2050635/bible-god-share-virgins-other#28990753 where you made some posers on the issue of virgin,war booty etc. Though I did not have any answer to your question but what you brought up has instead of making me look down on christianity , has further enabled me to appreciate the new testament and the wonderful blessing through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Now, Christianity has since dropped almost all of some barbaric things that we read in the old testament, in other words we don't practice them but make use of them as history documents most of the time and moved on in the new testament which is based on love.... Now do you think that in the 21st century where Islam fanatics have been laying claim on the Koran as the yardstick for the things they do, don't you think its time for a new Koran that is based on love? Why? A lot of Muslims are in dilemma and cross roads on how to balance their statement of "Islam is a religion of peace" vs Islamic fanatics such as Isis who lay claim on the Koran as their basis to perpetrate violence.

Its time to bring a new testament don't you think?

Do you want them to change the word of Allah?
I read one Muslim post that says "The sharia law needs to be looking into by Muslims scholars" (I know that's his own opinion) I said to myself do the scholars know more than Allah?

That's the problem you have when someone copyright your work without understanding the purpose of your work.
Muhammad didn't know how Yahweh have planned His work before he copyright it even though Muhammad contradicted some of the Mosaic Laws he claimed to follow.

macof:
And pls tell, what does a man have to do to be accepted as a Christian by u?

Accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour.

Cus even as an ex-Christian myself, ur talk of holy spirit disgust me as it shows ur weakened intelligence due to religious dogmatism

You think it shows my religious dogmatism, I will redirect the question to you now, have you ever been baptized by the Holyspirit during your Christian life?

If you've successfully answered my question then read this again "...that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corin 12:3

The muslims, hindus, African traditionalists, Chinese, Shintos(Japan), all lack ur holy spirit yet they have their own beliefs of what is holy and worship the creator in their way nonetheless...

You think I'm weaken intelligently but compare this your statement with my purpose of bringing Holyspirit into my post.
I didn't talk about being HOLY through the HOLYSPIRIT but HOW you can prove the existence of God and accept Jesus as LORD and SAVIOUR through the HOLYSPIRIT. Grow up in wisdom man

many of them live better lives than Christians, contribute far more to the world and live morally

And do you also agree that Many Christians live better than them, contribute to the world and live morally far than them?

What then can we benefit from ur invisible spirit that doesn't exist anywhere other than the pages of a book

If something doesn't exist what can you benefit from it?

It's left for you whether Holyspirit exists only on the pages of a book or exists beyond what you read in a book about Him, the fact still remains the same people have encountered Holyspirit in reality in which I'm one them.


Shalom!

ifeness:
lol a life indeed....more like a deluded lifestyle that only involves worshiping an invincible man,donating money to rich pastors. You lifestyle sucks lol

Since you can't worship an invisible man why can't you leave the person who can alone?

Donating money to pastors is now your problem, did the person cry to your house for any assistance?

ifeness:
It takes an intelligent person to escape the prison walls of Yahweh. You are trying to escape,I wish you well tho.

You think you're more intelligent than people who believe in God yet we see how you people display ignorance on this forum.

AjFive:
I skip prayers, I don't pray at all. I've got so many doubts, I'm starting to doubt the existence of God. Is the Bible truly the word of God... So many questions.

Is there anyone out there like me?



AJ_FIVE

I believe this increases the more join Nairaland so the truth of the matter is this, you're never a Christian but just Church goer.

Through out your life as a Christian, have you ever be baptized by the Holyspirit? I guess the answer will be no because if you are you will never doubt the existence of God.

"Wherefore I give you to understand, [size=14pt]that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."[/size] 1 Corin 12:3

It's better you regain your salvation by enter into serious prayer and get delivered.

paulGrundy:
Raymond franz at the age of 59 and 81 respectively.

Cc: BERNIMORE/CANTICLES/CAPTIVATOR, rikoduosenin, JMAN05, dolphinheart, henrychubayo, MzNelly, vooks, emusan

I've downloaded the book and I'll soon begin to share what I read.

But no bi small work oooo over 400 pages :-/ :-/

@Paul you didn't tag my Miss nah ""MzNelly""

Anyway I suggest since this is a vital material that can bring more fruit to the body of Christ so those who will download and read this book should kindly post all the KEY POINTs come across with reference i.e Chapter, Title, Subtitle, and page number.

And for those who can't should stay tune and read people's post.

MzNelly:
"The gift God gives is everlasting life."

We are all sinners, and we all deserve to die.
But because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus' shed blood, we are given another opportunity to start anew with the gift of everlasting life.

You're confusing issue here.
Now you've added another thing and nevertheless you never resolved the issue.

What you're actually missing from this verse is that this verse never addressed the AFTERLIFE (there are many verses which talk about that) but simply talking about the punishment we deserved as a sinner which you've taken to support your ideas of no afterlife.

MzNelly:
Live forever.
You know the gist.

Live forever again? "When the wages sin paid is death" according to you and everybody is a sinner.

So why will Jehovah destroy some sinners and allow the other sinners live forever?

like one of my earlier option you must have misunderstood that verse because your comments say it all.

MzNelly:
Yeah....some will be destroyed. By God.

Some? OK what about the rest?

MzNelly:
"The wages sin pays is death; but the gift God gives is everlasting life."

Now let me ask you how do you understand this verse? Remember you've agreed NOT EVERYONE THAT SINNED WILL DIE PHYSICALLY.

MzNelly:
Naah

Then why do you have to quote that scripture?

it's either you misunderstood it or you understood it but misapplied it.