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tola9ja: upon all the evidence have given u stiil want to die as an unbeliever

Where are the evidence?
Unbeliever!!! when you don't even have access to Allah to know whether Allah truly inspired Muhammad.

ALLAH reveal the quranic verse to muhammed telling him [size=14pt]what jesus said[/size] to the children of Israel

But you first said it's Allah who was speaking...NOT JESUS!

Common sense is not common....

tola9ja: John 9:5King James Version (KJV)
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

I know the purpose of quoting this verse if because of the phrase you underlined BUT it is a shame to ignore the real part of that verse I DIDN'T BLAME YOU because you only recite what you're being taught NOT THAT you understand or know the meaning of what you're reciting.
The next statement in this verse says "…I am The LIGHT (Al-nur) of the world"

The last time I check Al-nur (The Light) is one of Allah's name Whereas the Quran teaches that Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth: Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth (Allahu nooru al-samawati wa al-ardi)...Sura 24:35

So I hereby declare you a SHRINK for believing that Jesus actually make that statement.

now see what jesus said about the comming of muhammed

Do I need to see anything again when you've actually agreed that Jesus is Allah by claiming to be The LIGHT (AL-NUR) of the world?

John 14:26 ESV /
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

To start with who is you FATHER or have you forgotten that Muslims are slaves and no FATHERHOOD in Qur'an?

Then the verse read "...In my NAME" do you believe Muhammad was sent in the NAME of Jesus?

You've committed another sin according to your book.

John 16:13 ESV /
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

You dare not continue that state till verse 14 because the Spirit we hear from Jesus so did Muhammad hear from Jesus?

1 Corinthians 2:9-13 ESV /
But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

Firstly, you quote the word of Paul which means you believe Paul's statement is correct VERY SOON you will come back to tell us that Paul is a false teacher.

Secondly, did you notice the implications of that COLORED part?
You mean Muhammad is the one WHO KNOWS THE THOUGHT OF Allah?

Lastly, you are so confused because according to the Qur'an Muhammad didn't know what will happen to him tomorrow talk less of being THE MIND of God.

John 15:26 ESV /
“But when the Helper comes, whom I (Jesus) will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me (Jesus).

It's getting interesting!
> Again it is Jesus who sent Muhammad!
> Jesus truly has a FATHER!
> Finally, Muhammad PROCEEDED from Allah.

Wonders of Qur'an indeed.

in the original manuscript prophet Muhammad name is written in the place you see spirit and if it really the spirit it suppose to be qualify with the word IT not HE

It will be very better if you can do me a favour BY INSERTING Muhammad into all the quoted verses above WHERE THE WORD SPIRIT appears and LET US SEE how it'll sound.

think judiciously this is not about religious argument is about establishing the fact jesus was not crucify jesus is a prophet and servant with a lot of evidence Qur'an and bible verses

Do I need to think or you should think!

Hebrews 6:1English Standard Version (ESV)
6 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

Best saying!

After reading your post I have to forced myself to conclude that all educated 21century MUSLIMS that still believing in lies of Muhammad in the Bible are more illiterate than Muhammad himself and his lord.



Shalom!

tola9ja: where did jesus said is the lord and serviour that he is a christian that u should go to church on sunday and we did the quran said you should worship jesus

Stick to the point, answer my questions and stop behaving like a kid.

tola9ja: Allah is d one speaking in the quranic verse not jesus

In fact I can't say any than just being shaking my head for you because wisdom is lacking in you and I don't blame you I only blame what you've exposed to (Wrong teaching that suppress knowledge).
This is the verse again.
qur.61:6 "And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

This is type of confusion Qur'an has created for Muslims as you claimed in your statement that it's Allah who is speaking AND NOT JESUS so kindly answer these questions.

1) Allah said "I am a messenger of Allah" is it true?
2) what came before Allah for Allah to confirm?

As you can see passage like this are many in the Qur'an which suppose to be an HISTORICAL event NARRATED by a THIRD PART but an educated fellow like you couldn't use your brain to phantom the TRUTH will also be following a deceiption that Qur'an is PURE ALLAH'S WORD when it obviously contained human words.

about the bible verse the jew were expecting 3 prophets by that time jesus Elissa and muhammed

Another lie from the pit of hell.
So when did Elias come?
Don't quote for me where Jesus finally alluded to John the Baptist as Elias because according to the verse you're quoting John has already denied being the Elias.

that is why they ask the question when jesus[as] came the jew dose not believe in him they said is a bastard he dose not have father so when prophet muhammed came [s.a.w] the christian dose not believe in him cos Allah dose not raise him up from the isrealite where all the remaining prophet were raise up so we muslim believe in all prophets send by ALLAH that is the fact may god help you

Nonsense!

tola9ja: dose the quran said you should worship him like

Olodo SMH for your ignoramus!
The Spirit of God is also God just like your own spirit and anything that attributed to God is uncreated because they CO-EXIST with God before the creation.

Then if Quran truly affirmed that Jesus is the Spirit of Allah that should tell you He is uncreated and should be honour as your honor The Father. John 5:23

Abdulsalam20: Ali Sina Writes:
21:30 presents also another problem. It contradicts with the verse 41.11
Ali Sina Writes:
Of course both are false. The earth is inside the sky and
part of it. They can neither come together nor
separate. Here we have two version that contradict each
other and both are scientifically wrong.

My Response :
As I explained above none of the two is wrong. Dr.Zakir Naik explains
“The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the 'Big Bang'. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. [size=14pt]According to the 'Big Bang', the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula).[/size] Then there was a 'Big Bang' (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by 'chance' is zero."

I've been trying to address this portion of your post but there's no time but I finally have it today.
See the person you rely on as your mentor in science, SCIENTIST who postulated the theory of Big Bang never claimed the BOLDED part as in "Universe was ONE BIG MASS before BIG BANG occurred rather their claim is that there's a point called POINT of SINGULARITY (PoS) BUT because Zakir knows that people like you will believe every his statements without even border to verify them.

Again, THE VERY POINT of SINGULARITY sometime refers to as BIG BANG itself if this is true THEN Zakir's point was invalid for claiming that BIG BANG occurred as secondary separation which make BIG BANG occurred two times.

Lastly, After Zakir fully agree with the THEORY OF BIG BANG then he went back to conclude that probability of it occurring by CHANCE is ZERO which negate the whole theory of BIG BANG.

Will You and Zakir want to accept the THEORY of BIG BANG in part (as you people always do to the BIBLE) or accept it in whole?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Abdulsalam20: [size=14pt]U NEVR DEFEND THE ONE I POSTED ABOVE NW...[/size] ATLEAST I HAVE DEFEND THE VERSES AND HADITH YOU QUOTED FOR ME........... [size=14pt]ABI U DIDNT READ IT SO OYA I DEY WAIT[/size]

After you've already confirmed it yourself that those verses ARE PARABLES yet you still want him to defend them, this shows how little your brain works.

Again you said "THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO WHAT I POSTED ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED IN THE BIBLE" but no verse quoted by you mention or single out WOMEN. can you see what Zakir Naik teaching has turned you to.

tola9ja: [size=14pt]ALLAH DOSE NOT PROMISE TO PROTECT ANY BOOK EXCEPT QURAN[/size]

In fact this your statement is so weak and illogical.
So if Allah didn't promise protection over the previous books YET Allah still wants PEOPLE who have already been following a PROTECTED book (The Muslims) to believe in THOSE UNPROTECTED books.

If I tell you that Muslims are so confuse you will think I'm lying.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BLASPHEMY YOU ALL SAY ABOUT THE QUR'AN STILL ENCOURAGE MANY UNBELIEVER TO JOIN ISLAM SO CONTINUE TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH MAY ALLAH SHOW YOU WHAT JESUS REALLY PRACTICE

Jesus practiced Islam as usual even though Quran confuse about WHO brought ISLAM whether it's Muhammad or Adam or what do you want us to know again.

Keep deceiving yourself.

malvisguy212: are you blind? You read witout understanding, that is how you read the quran
29:27
Sahih International And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and
placed in his descendants PROPHETHOOD
and scripture. And We gave him his
reward in this world, and indeed, he is in
the Hereafter among the righteous.
IS MUHAMMAD FROM THE DESCENDANT OF ISAAC AND JACOB?

They just want to force their false prophet into Bible without even scrutinized their own book very well.
Imaging PROPHETHOOD was placed in Isaac line yet Muhammad was a PROPHET from Ismael line....confuse people.

tola9ja: YOU NEED TOO LEARN THE DIFERENT BETWEEN SIGN AND SEND YOU TO THE WHOLE WORLD JESUS WAS ONLY SEND TO THE ISREALITE STOP DECEIVING URSELF

So why Muhammad not in Nigeria preaching the word of Allah today?

The verses above is enough for you to tell yourself the truth including the commentary of Yusuf Ali.

YOU SHALL NO THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

The last time I check it was Jesus who made this statement John 8:32 and He reveals who the truth is..."...I am the Way, THE TRUTH (al-haqq), and the Life..." and I still remember that The TRUTH (al-haqq) is one of Allahs' name.

Do you know Jesus?

tola9ja: BECAUSE HE CONFIRM IT BY HIMSELF

So who spake all these word too?

John 17:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

[b]1 ¶ Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, John 17:1

AND GOD ALSO CONFIRM IT

And God also confirmed Jesus Sonship too!

Acts 3:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[a] Jesus,

"And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'" Matt 3:17

tola9ja: yes muhammed fufill is prophecy qur.61:6
And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

SEE HOW MUHAMMED NAME WAS REMOVE FROM THE BIBLE


The Testimony of John the Baptist

19 And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the CHRIST.” 21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you ELIJAH?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the PROPHET?(THIS IS WHERE MUHAMMED NAME WAS REMOVE)” And he answered, “No.” 22 So they said to him, “Who are you? We need to give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”

See how confuse you are!
You quote Jesus speaking in Quran predicting the coming of Muhammad BUT you come to Bible to quote where the JEWS speaking.
Is Jews' statement the same with Jesus' statement?

Another error; since a messenger is coming outside the Israelite TRIBE according to Muslims, why the Jews bordering themselves ASKING A FELLOW JEW?

Your problem is that you're too close-minded if not you can agree that Bible truly called Jesus a prophet and still deny that the Jews still need to be expecting another prophet.

tola9ja: yes the spirit of god can be created by the creator of the universe(ALLAH)

Is it can or can't?
Is it god or God?

The Quran says Jesus is the Spirit of God(Allah)

oluwabambam: I was just reading a post on Nairaland some minutes ago where the topic was on what constitutes a God-fearing individual. Someone commented adding that he/she is an atheist and that got me wondering. I have been seeing so many atheists on social media in Nigeria and it bothers me why there are so many of them nowadays. Are people now saying that there is no God? Do people mean that they don't believe in the creator of the universe? How did they come into existence if they don't believe in God. God created us all and this is what the Bible says. What is it with all these atheists? I want to understand why anyone would come to the conclusion that there is no God. It baffles me seriously. I need answers.

The reason is very simple to put the REAL FAITH of believers into work.
If your care is not taken, you yourself will become Atheist if you've never had personal encounter with Jesus because the Bible says "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." 1 Cor 12:3

Infact we have many Atheist inside the Church today, people who are just going to Church for parent's or Pastor's or environment or personal gain sake.

tola9ja: there is no quranic verse that said jesus is lord

You're right but Quran confirmed that Jesus is the Spirit of God.
Can the Spirit of God be created?

and in the bible I hav already confirm it to jesus is prophet send by god

You've shown us how Bible called Jesus a prophet which agree with the Deuteronomy 18 the next thing we'll see is you coming here again to tell us that it is Muhammad who fulfilled the prophecy.

not son or lord

Why do you also neglect those verses that called Jesus Son and Lord?

tola9ja: LOL there is no verse that said such [size=14pt]a thing blasphemous talk[/size] without evidence whenever i cote a bible i give u verse
Matthew 15:22-24King James Version (KJV)

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

@Bold-if I now provide evidence that means Quran is a blasphemous book.

Sign unto Mankind:
The universal ministry of Christ has been one of the most attacked aspects of his mission. Most Muslims believe that Christ was not a universal prophet like Muhammad, rather similar to prophets before him; he was limited to his own people.

To prove their point Muslims extract certain passages from the Bible, which on the surface would seem to confirm that Christ's mission was indeed limited to Israel (Matthew 10:5-6, 15:22-24).

This practice however, stands in neglect of scores of other verses that show quite conclusively that the mission of Jesus was geared toward the whole of mankind. (The reader may refer to John 4:40-42 as one example of this fact.)

What the Muslims also seem to overlook is the point that the Quran itself bears testimony to the universal mission of Christ:

He said: "so (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for me: and (we wish) to appoint him(Jesus) as a sign unto men and mercy from us.'" S. 19:21
And (remember) who guarded her chastity: "We breathed into her of our Spirit and We made her and her son(Jesus) a sign for all peoples." S. 21:91

Yusuf Ali states in two separate footnotes to the above verses that Jesus was meant to be a sign for the world:
"Mary the mother of Jesus, chastity was her special virtue: with a son of virgin birth, she and Jesus became a miracle to all nations. This was the virtue with which they (both Mary and Jesus) resisted evil." (1:815, f. 2748)

"The mission of Jesus is announced in two ways (1) he was to be a sign to men: his wonderful birth and wonderful life were to turn an [size=14pt]ungodly world[/size] to Allah: and (2) his mission was to bring solace and salvation to the repentant ..." (1:748, f. 2473)

Question:
If Jesus' was meant to be a sign for the whole world, how can this be achieved without His message preached in all Nations?

Maybe Allah as usual is confused for making Jesus to be a sign to all nations then abrogate it and shifted it t on Muhammad.

I know your mind never comprehend the above verses because of the confusion in your head.

I can still give you other people opinion on UNIVERSAL mission of Jesus Christ in Islam.

Abdulsalam20: LAUGHING IN HAUSA LANGUAGE ALL THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED BUT BECAUSE U ARE SUBBJECTIVE AND NOT OBJECTIVE BECAUSE U ARE BASED ON SENTIMENT AND BEING BIAS I SAID ALL WHAT HE SAID WAS VALID EVEN LI SINA THAT TRY TO PROVE HIM WRONG WAS ALSO BUSTED SO........CONCERNING UR LAST QUESTION I HAVE ANSWERED U BUT MAYBE U SKPPED IT PLS READ MY EARLIER POSTS

Since I gave you that link to explore but decided to continue to dance to the tune of Zakir's lie so I've took it upon myself to help you.

See various letters written to Dr. Zakir Naik for public debate by ALI SANI whom you claimed Zakir deflated BUT Zakir couldn't take up the challenge.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm

Here you will also see where Ali said "A Muslim turned ATHEIST" to substantiate my previous claim.

Abdulsalam20: LAUGHING IN HAUSA LANGUAGE

Keep laughing!

ALL THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED

NOTE: *ALL THESE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!
Who answered them?

BUT BECAUSE U ARE SUBBJECTIVE AND NOT OBJECTIVE

So what about you?

BECAUSE U ARE BASED ON SENTIMENT AND BEING BIAS

Really?

I SAID ALL WHAT HE SAID WAS VALID

This is where you should judge yourself.
Had it been you read the link YOU'LL SEE that Zakir failed to debate with Sam Shamoun the owner of that site.

EVEN ALI SINA THAT TRY TO PROVE HIM WRONG WAS ALSO BUSTED SO.......

Then you said you read the link I provided in my previous post...

What you don't know is that Zakir always misinterpreted statement to suit his own agenda INCLUDING Qur'an itself which has lead some SUNNI Muslims to call for his ban.

http://lubpak.com/archives/509

This is the person you put all your faith on as a reliable.
Before you misunderstood the link let me help you by quoting a part from it so that you can think well.
“He is neither an `aalim’ (scholar) nor a `mufti’ (one who gives fatwa). He is free to practice Islam as he wishes. But he should not issue fatwas from public platforms,” says Maulana Mehmood Daryabadi, general-secretary of the All India Ulema Council."

So the ball Is in your court to decide.

CONCERNING UR LAST QUESTION I HAVE ANSWERED U BUT MAYBE U SKPPED IT PLS READ MY EARLIER POSTS

A word is enough for a wise.

Alright But Op you didn't tell us how his wives help Muhammad shaped Qur'an...

tola9ja: Matt 15:23-24: "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
Matt 10:23: "Their mission limited to Israelites".
Matt 1:21: "Jesus came to save his people".
Matt 19:28: "Ten disciples to judge the twelve tribes of Israel". WHO WILL JUDGE NIGERIANS AND OTHER NATIONS?
From all these proves, It is obvious that CHRISTIANITY IS MEANT FOR ISRAELITES ONLY.

Your religion confusion as lead you to this without even you notice it THAT EVEN Quran confirms that Jesus was sent to ALL HUMAN.

Abdulsalam20: WHY MISQUOTING ME?

I didn't you're the one who could not express yourself in a clear manner as you did below.

U ARE FUNNY MAN WHAT I SAID IS THAT U CANT SEE THE REAL COMMENT OF THE ANTAGONIST OF ZAKRNAIK I MEAN THE CO DEBATER UNLESS U WATCH THE VIDEO

Cleared!

AND U WENT AHEAD TO POST A LINK AND THE LINK U POSTED IS A LINK CONTAINING ZAKR NAIK CLAIM WHICH WAS ANSWERED BY UR CO CHRISTIAN

Thank God you admitted that Zakir Naik's claims were answered this now take us back to my unanswered question when I asked you, if Campbell performed woefully as your stated earlier does that mean all the point raised by Zakir valid?

Remember you didn't answer it.

Again if you read the link I provided you will see that many rebuttals were produced to Zakir claims both the one raised during the debate and not.
Even Zakir refuses to take Sam Shamoun's challenge because he knows that he propagated lie to people like you.

SO U CAN SEE U'RE ACTUALLY CONFUSE IN THE REAL SENSE

As the one who could not express himself well.

U ALSO SAID ALI SINA IS A CHRISTIAN/FREE THINKER SMH

I said so because I can't cover him up because he speaks for Christian.
But most his points were fact which everyone knows about Islam NOT because he used it to counter Zakir.

ATLEAST HE IS THE ONLY CHRISTIAN WHO TRY TO COUNTER ZAKR NAIK BY FORWARDING THE MSG TO HIM

If you actually read the link I provided you know that this statement is false because Sam Shamoun has tackled all Zakir claims like I said earlier.

AND HE WAS ALSO BUSTED JUST LYK D ANTAGONIST

Of course to you he was busted because Zakir is your master.
If you're open-minded you can tell yourself the truth.

Imaging this same Zakir is the one who claimed that the ORIGINAL Torah, Zabur and Injil have lost and the BIBLE Christian possess can't be trusted YET is the one who also bash into the GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JOHN to claim that Jesus predicted the coming of Muhammad.

How can you claimed that the fourfold gospel were written by historians WHICH ARE NOT THE TRUE GOSPEL ALLAH gave to Isa STILL PREDICT THE COMING of Muhammad?

Did John, Matthew, Mark or Luke edited the original Jesus' Gospel or the Gospel of Jesus lost finally and they only wrote it on their own?

Yet for people like Zakir, Jawal Badawi to continue fool people like you they will say THOSE GOSPELS MAY ACTUALLY contain the WORD OF GOD whereas they have already condemned the writers as fake or even just the word of an historians. SOME Muslims have even come to conclusion that John, Matthew are not the ORIGINAL WRITER OF THEIR BOOK.

YET AFTER ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS the same Book still predicted the coming of saw.

I wanted to modify my post before by adding CHRISTIAN/FREETHINKER but network is bad.
Since you've quote my post I don't need to do that again.

Abdulsalam20: I GUESS U DIDNT READ WHAT IS THERE I HAVE ALREADY VISITED THAT LINK EVEN BEFORE U POST IT FOR ME

And you said no Christian respond to Zakir's challenge.

THE RESPONSE THERE IS NOT BY THE ANTAGONIST IT IS BY UR CHRISTIAN MATE PLS CHECK IT WELL

Are you sure something is up there?
You claimed NO CHRISTIAN site! And I went ahead to give you where A CHRISTIAN site responded to the challenge and you're here falling another thing.

AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID CONFIRM BEFORE POSTING SMH!

Your problem is that you didn't read all the reply of Ali Sina you probably read his reply through Zakir's respond to his post because had it been you read it you will understand what I'm saying by calling him Christian/Freethinker. He is a Christian but also believed is freethinker that's why if your open his SITE you'll see "WE DEAL WITH HATE, NOT FAITH"

I bet it you will go back and check because you didn't know before.

Though some Christians still welcome him but I'm not subscribe with him.

Abdulsalam20: THE MAIN REASON WHY CAMPBELL STATEMENT IS HARD TO FIND ON NET IS BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT CAMPBELL PERFORM WOEFULLY EVEN ON CHRISTIAMNS SITE ITS NT THERE BUT ALI SINA LATER COMMENTED ON THE VIDEO THAT DR ZAKR NAIK IS A MAGICIAN AND ALI TRIED TO DEFEND THE CHRISTIAN BUT EVERY TYN HAS BEEN RESPONDED TO

Now you said everyone knows that Campbell performed woefully. If Dr. Campbell performed woefully, does it mean that ALL the POINT raised by Dr. Zakir are valid?

The reason why I didn't subscribe to Ali Sina reply is because he's a Christian/FREETHINKER and ONLY try to reiterate with the point that ALL CHALLENGES raised by Dr. Zakir can also be used against Quran.....though he's right.....Remember my first statement in my first post.

But for you to say you can't find it on CHRISTIAN SITE is a pure lie, here is the rebuttal.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/index.htm

Abdulsalam20: http://m.youtube.com/watch?rl=yes&feature=related&v=k-og6PWLTNQ&gl=NG&hl=en&client=mv-google

Copy and paste Campbell's words like you did to Zakir and stop your babbling.

If you want many link to Christian-Islam debate I can give you BUT if you want to do enough justice to your THREAD give in detail the respond of Campbell in this debate.

Abdulsalam20: I HAVE TOLD U WHERE U CAN GET IT THE VIDEO IS MORE THAN 2HR

Despite that is more than 2hrs YET could get your OWN perverted master out of it BUT to get the rebuttal of Dr. Campbell is long
I TRIED TOGET THE PDF BUT IT IS NT AVAILABLE.............U CAN DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO TOLISTEN TO IT UR SELF[/quote]Despite that is more than 2hrs YET could get your OWN perverted master out of it BUT to get the rebuttal of Dr. Campbell is long >

I TRIED TOGET THE PDF BUT IT IS NT AVAILABLE.............U CAN DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO TOLISTEN TO IT UR SELF

Don't worry I challenge you but you couldn't meet up with my challenge so it's left for you to judge yourself.

This is called a DEBATE Dr. Zakir provided his own challenge WHAT IS THE RESPOND of Dr. Campbell? simple.

Or if I tell you that "Teacher is better than Doctor" and I presented my point(s) supporting Teacher and someone copied ONLY my point(s)/presentation, CAN YOU AS A PERSON HOLD TO MY POINT ONLY AND AGREE THAT TRULY TEACHER IS BETTER THAN DOCTOR?

So I'm waiting for Campbell's RESPOND to this DEBATE from you.

I can't stop laughing at the OP, this shows how Muslims strictly follow the teaching of Muhammad "using lie to achieve their aims".
The reason I said this is because if you call this a DEBATE and you went ahead ONLY to provide the challenge QUESTIONS without providing the other part RESPOND to all these, shows how dubious you are.

I challenge you "if you can" to provide in detail the RESPOND of Dr. William Campbell in this debate then we'll know how genuine Dr. Zakir's points are.

*Remember all the challenge Dr. Zakir raised can also be used again Islam.

UyiIredia: Not back yet. Till i get myself another BB. I got mugged by some area boys.

Abdulsalam20: THAT IS WHY I SAID THE BILE IS NO MORE HOLY EXCEPT SOME FEW PART OF IT BT U CHRISTIAN SAID JESUS IS SON OF GOD AND GOD THAT HE IS NOT A PROPHET SO HOW COME U CALL HIM A PROPHET NOW AND WHO TELL U WE DID NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS JESUS IS A PROPHET BUT U PEOPLE CAL HIM GOD JESUS IS NOT DEAD U SAID HE IS DEAD(watch out for my next topic).......

You should have asked Christian before you say this trash.
"Bible is no more holy except some few part" I know you made this state to further to deceive yourself about Muhammad in the Bible, it's illogical to believe that a book that is corrupted still prophesied the coming of Muhammad.

i even follow jesus more than u think jesus condemn payment of interesr when we try to establish islamic banking with interest free loan CAN OPPOSED IT reference l- Imran {3:130} “O ye who believed! Devour not usury, doubling and quadrupling (the sum lent). Observe your duty to Allah, that ye may be successful.” Another message is repeated in: Surah, Al-Baqara {2:188} “And eat not up your property among yourselves in vanity, nor seek by it to gain the hearing of the judges that ye may knowingly devour a portion of the property of others wrongfully.” What does the Christian book has to say concerning Interest and Bribery? Is it really there in the Bible? Yes! Why is C.A.N against it? I don’t know……….. Then, they are the Biggest Anti-Christ that I have ever seen………….. Exodus 23:8 "And thou shalt take no bribe: for a bribe blindeth them that have sight, and ruins the cause of those who are the righteous.” Warning against Bribery! What about Interest? Let’s examine this verse again: Exodus 22:25 “If thou lend money to any of my people with thee that is poor, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest.” Similar message is also repeated in the Book of Deuteronomy: Deuteronomy 23:19 "Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother; interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of anything that is lent upon interest.” THE BIBLE SAID U SHOULD COVER UR HEAD U OPPOSE IT( 1 Corinthians 11:5, says that “Every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved) WHEN AREGBESHOLA RAISED THE ISSUE OF COVERING HEAD IN OSUN CAN OPPOSE IT WHAT AN ANTI CHRIST i know u will said it is only when they want topray pls dont children pray in school on assembly ground.....dont they pray before eating?......all christians nowadays are anti christ THE BIBLE SAID WOMEN SHOULD NOT TALK IN CHURCH U PEOPLE WENT TO ORGANISE CHOIR EVEN NOW WOMEN ARE NOW PASTORS( - I Corinthians 14:34-35: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.) JESUS PRAY U NEVER DID THAT INSTEAD U CRITICISE MUSLIMS FOR BOWING THEIR HEAD( DISCRIPTION OF SOLAT IN THE BIBLE "Ezra the scribe stood on a high wooden platform(ready for solat) that had been made for the occasion. To his right stood Mattithiah, Shema, Anaiah, Uriah, Hilkiah, and Maaseiah. To his left stood Pedaiah, Mishael, Malkijah, Hashum, Hashbaddanah, Zechariah, and Meshullam." (Nehemiah 8:4)."And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people (imam) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:" (Nehemiah 8:5)."Then Ezra praised the LORD(takbiratul iram), the great God, and all the people chanted, "Amen! Amen!" as they lifted their hands. Then they bowed down (rukuh) and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground(sujud)." (Nehemiah 8:6).......DID U DO THIS? WHAT AN ANTICHRIST.....EVEN THOUGH U PEOPLE TAMPER THE BIBLE THE TRUTH WILL SHOW IT SELF

You believe in quranic jesus your fake prophet tells you not the one who died on the Cross for the salvation of your soul.

No wonder Allah Itself pray.

If you can't answer all my questions stop quoting me. Ok!

Abdulsalam20: ALL THIS U SAID IS RUBBISH NO QURAN OR HADITH TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM JUST LIKE I A WAYS DID

When an evidence is being provided now you'll begin to sing another song.

U JUST COPIED IT FROM CHRISTIAN WEBSITE WHERE IS UR REFERENCE

Imaging Christian website, so all what your OP say are they from Christian website or not JAMAL BADAWI an Islamic work?

ALL THIS U POSTED PLEASE ARE U AN UNDERGRADUATE OR A GRADUATE HOW WILL/DID U COPE WITH UR PROJECT

What does this has to do with issue at hand?

AFTER A VISIBLE EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO U PLS WHO IS THE DEUTRONOMY VERSE REFERRING TO

I quote you purposely because of this particular statement, is like you want to know the truth which most biased Muslim scholars always hide from their readers.

Firstly, the first thing to know is that Bible always gives the accurate and complete view within itself without throwing its reader into total darkness LIKE QUR'AN always does!

Secondly, Bible itself answers your question which Muslim scholars have hidden from people like you BUT ONLY if you'll not reject it as they do.

Lastly, I'll give detail of it begin from Jesus Himself.
1) Jesus Himself made the statement about Moses wrote prophecy about Him..."For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed ME: for he(Moses) wrote of ME." John 5:46
2) Philip is one of the disciples of Jesus Christ but before he became Jesus' disciple he said this to Nathanel ..."Philip findeth Nathaniel, and saith unto him, we have found him, of whom MOSES in the law, and the PROPHETS, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." John 1:45

3) Peter is one of the companions of Jesus Christ and he's the one who even QUOTE THE SAME Deuteronomy verbatim...."For MOSES truly said unto the fathers, A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your BRETHREN, like unto me;...Acts 3:22-23

You can see that the answer have a strong Biblical support than the twisted one done by Muslim scholars in propagating their false religion.
NOTE: The fulfilment of Deuteronomy wasn't a cook up by Christian theologians BUT a plain statement within the Bible itself.

U BETTER SAY THE TRUTH AND BE FREE

Do you know the TRUTH?

PLEASE QUOTE REFERENCE...BECAUSE ALL THIS U POSTED ARE FALACY

Many references are online, but you're already discriminating by saying "Christian website" so if someone gave it, it will just be a waste of time.

ignis: I wish I can get a detailed explanation of this... The write up looks too sketchy and it's not elaborate.

Mama kindly type it on Google. I bet it! You will tire of the one to select.

You keep dodging my questions?

Abdulsalam20: PLEASE POST THE EVIDENCE FOR ME JUST A SINGLE CONTRADICTION AND WHERE QURAN CONTRADICT SCIENCE

I don't need to do that for you, Google is your friend.

IF JESUS SAY I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH WHOEVER FOLLOW ME SHALL NOT GO ASTRAY HE IS RIGHT BUT U MIS INTERPRET HIM

Truly I misinterpreted Him but it's you who fully understood Him talking about Muhammad. SMH

WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT IF U FOLLOW HIS TEACHING U WILL NOT GO ASTRAY

You're right! and you can compare His teaching with that of your saw to see which one is the TRUTH.

WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT MUHAMMAD U DENY IT........WOO UNTO U

So how did you know Jesus talk about your saw?

malvisguy212: the more they use the bible to look for muhammad the more they make allah weaker.

Don't mind him, he couldn't answer simple question.